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| johnma | Hi, is there a way to run a specific unit test, say for example under the guestagent module. I have been using tox -py27 but that runs all the tests. Thanks | 00:56 |
| jodah | johnma Usually it's something like tox -e py27 trove.tests.api.foo | 01:03 |
| jodah | Not sure if that works with trove though or if some specific support needs to be added | 01:03 |
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| johnma | Hi Jodah, thank you so much. I just tried that but that still seems to be running all the tests. it doesnt look like its picking the specific test specified | 01:06 |
| jodah | Yea - just tried as well. Not sure what needs to be done to get this working in trove... | 01:07 |
| johnma | I will keep looking and will post it here if I find a way. I read we could do this: python -m testtools.run trove.tests.unittests.python.module.path except I cant get that to work. I might be typing the path wrong | 01:09 |
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| jodah | and even there you don't have control over the python version they're run against | 01:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed openstack/trove-integration: Fix malformed pip-install lines https://review.openstack.org/146147 | 01:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Edmond Kotowski proposed openstack/python-troveclient: default endpoint_type to 'publicURL' https://review.openstack.org/146732 | 02:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/trove: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/145413 | 06:07 |
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| XO19 | ping sgotliv | 12:13 |
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| sgotliv | XO19, hey | 12:14 |
| XO19 | heyo :) | 12:14 |
| XO19 | so about the blueprint | 12:14 |
| sgotliv | is it possible, to turn this feature on demand? | 12:15 |
| sgotliv | let me explain my concern | 12:15 |
| sgotliv | we (Trove) takes a freedom to bypass normal authentication mechanism and provide an access to someone that didn't get this access in any other way | 12:16 |
| sgotliv | Trove's admin not necessarily has a root privilege and therefore not necessarily has an access to these logs | 12:17 |
| sgotliv | but then we just give it to him! | 12:17 |
| sgotliv | sounds like a security violation | 12:17 |
| sgotliv | XO19, make sense? | 12:17 |
| XO19 | yes | 12:18 |
| sgotliv | XO19, unfortunately we don't have any "role" mechanism | 12:18 |
| sgotliv | to alllow different users to perform different tasks | 12:18 |
| XO19 | yes like nova does | 12:19 |
| sgotliv | therefore if we really want to keep this feature we must find a way to turn it on/off on demand | 12:19 |
| sgotliv | XO19, I have to drop for 20 minutes | 12:20 |
| XO19 | sure np :) | 12:20 |
| sgotliv | XO19, sorry for that, I have to find something to eat :-) | 12:21 |
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| XO19 | so when you say trove | 12:29 |
| XO19 | you're talking about the operator right? | 12:29 |
| XO19 | hold on | 12:34 |
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| vkmc | XO19, I guess that he is talking about the API when he talks about Trove | 12:38 |
| XO19 | ohh ok | 12:39 |
| vkmc | XO19, I have the same concern about the spec | 12:39 |
| vkmc | XO19, the logs could have sensible data, and this feature would allow non priviliged users to get those | 12:40 |
| vkmc | so... we should look for a way to make it safer | 12:40 |
| XO19 | does that include the admin ? | 12:40 |
| XO19 | just checking | 12:42 |
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| vkmc | XO19, for what I understood in the spec, the idea is to implement that for non admin users | 12:44 |
| vkmc | the admin could access the logs files in other ways | 12:44 |
| denis_makogon | hi guys, what are you been talking about ? | 12:44 |
| vkmc | hi denis_makogon! About https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131610/ | 12:44 |
| denis_makogon | vkmc, hi, Victoria =) | 12:45 |
| denis_makogon | oh isee | 12:45 |
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| sgotliv | vkmc, admin not necessarily has an access to these log files, this is a major problem | 13:07 |
| vkmc | sgotliv, that's why I said could :) | 13:07 |
| vkmc | if the admin has a way to ssh to the instance, then he could retrieve the logs | 13:08 |
| sgotliv | vkmc, I missed the "could" part :-) | 13:08 |
| vkmc | and that is possible if he has a key | 13:08 |
| sgotliv | ig he has a key, means he has ssh access to the machine, he is not not necessarily has a root access | 13:09 |
| sgotliv | s/ig/if | 13:10 |
| sgotliv | I am not sure if logs available without root access | 13:10 |
| vkmc | good point | 13:10 |
| XO19 | I don't think you need root to access the logs | 13:11 |
| sgotliv | I wondering how this feature works on Amazon? | 13:11 |
| sgotliv | XO19, maybe, we can easily check it | 13:11 |
| XO19 | amazon? | 13:13 |
| XO19 | or the logs? | 13:14 |
| sgotliv | XO19, this feature works on Amazon cloud | 13:14 |
| sgotliv | XO19, dougshelley66 mentioned that last time, I think its a good argument | 13:15 |
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| dougshelley66 | sgotliv, X019, yes, Amazon RDS definitely allows access to various db logs via their mgmt console. I haven't looked to see what access (if any) is provided via API | 13:16 |
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| dougshelley66 | In general, if you can start/stop the instance, you can see the logs. However, Amazon alos has a pretty rich permissioning structure that may off the ability to control this at a finer grained level (I haven't researched this) | 13:18 |
| dougshelley66 | s/off/offer | 13:18 |
| sgotliv | dougshelley66, interesting approach, if I can start a VM does it mean I have an access to .syslog? | 13:22 |
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| dougshelley66 | so there is a compute instance and then there is a database instance | 13:23 |
| dougshelley66 | if you started the compute instance, then i assume you can access everythign | 13:23 |
| dougshelley66 | if you started a db instance, you should be able to access the relevant things that make it a db instance | 13:24 |
| dougshelley66 | i.e. you wouldn't be able to "root" control the underlying compute instance but should have "root" privs on the database | 13:24 |
| dougshelley66 | and all that is implied by that | 13:24 |
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| vkmc | that makes sense | 13:33 |
| vkmc | and... in Nova, the one who launches the instance is the one who injects the .pem key | 13:35 |
| vkmc | but that doesn't mean he has root access | 13:36 |
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| dougshelley66 | even with the current security available in trove you could segregate database users from db admins by starting the trove instance in a tenant that the db user can't access. They could still use a db client to the ip address just wouldn't be able to do any admin type functions | 13:36 |
| vkmc | images have a default root user | 13:36 |
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| dougshelley66 | right | 13:39 |
| dougshelley66 | i guess for most of the images that i'm used to using, the "cloud-user" has sudo access | 13:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Denis M. proposed openstack/trove: Implement TM and Guest strategies for Cassandra datastore https://review.openstack.org/146146 | 13:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Denis M. proposed openstack/trove: Implement API strategy for Cassandra clustering https://review.openstack.org/146145 | 13:41 |
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| sgotliv | dougshelley66, I am back, was on the call | 14:00 |
| sgotliv | dougshelley66, so what you said make sense to me. I still want to be able turn on and off this feature, just to be on the safe side | 14:01 |
| sgotliv | dougshelley66, but after you said the default may actually be 'on' | 14:02 |
| sgotliv | :-) | 14:02 |
| sgotliv | XO19, dougshelley66 Doug is ve ry convincing | 14:08 |
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| vkmc | sgotliv, dougshelley66 sorry, I don't follow... the new api endpoints will be available for every user, there is no control whether the user is the db admin or the db user | 14:15 |
| sgotliv | vkmc, if so :-), I misread that part :-) | 14:15 |
| vkmc | only the instance creator is able, right now, to access to privileged operations... its this way in Nova as well | 14:15 |
| vkmc | sgotliv, probably I misunderstood | 14:16 |
| sgotliv | vkmc, now I am confused | 14:16 |
| sgotliv | again | 14:16 |
| vkmc | lol | 14:17 |
| sgotliv | vkmc, I probably should stop doing multiple things at the same time | 14:18 |
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| peterstac | This error seems to be cropping up in the tests: | 16:22 |
| peterstac | Error unpacking file: /home/jenkins/.m2/repository/com/rackspace/cloud/api/wadl-tools/1.0.9/wadl-tools-1.0.9.jar | 16:22 |
| peterstac | Caused by: java.io.IOException: Negative seek offset | 16:22 |
| peterstac | Any ideas what might be causing this? | 16:23 |
| peterstac | (my guess would be the file is corrupted and should be deleted so a new one is downloaded) | 16:24 |
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| denis_makogon | peterstac, i've noticed same issue | 16:37 |
| denis_makogon | peterstac, could this be an error http://logs.openstack.org/45/146145/4/check/gate-trove-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/dd53117/console.html#_2015-01-13_14_49_07_179 | 16:41 |
| denis_makogon | some info on given issue http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6747561/extracting-tomcat-zip-sometimes-fail-with-ioexception-negative-seek-offset | 16:42 |
| peterstac | denis_makogon: One of the comments is: | 16:46 |
| peterstac | More likely an aborted download or a broken Maven proxy or web server that served the Tomcat download. | 16:46 |
| peterstac | That would be my guess - not sure who needs to fix it though ... | 16:46 |
| denis_makogon | peterstac, seems like it is =/ | 16:46 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1410360 ^^ | 16:47 |
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| iccha | dougshelley66: just to clarify what you are suggesting for the log stuff - we dont know the correlation between the users in the db and tenant right? | 18:42 |
| iccha | or do we | 18:42 |
| dougshelley66 | iccha, we do not | 18:42 |
| iccha | dougshelley66: so bottom line, what would you like to be changed in the existing proposal? (if anything) :) | 18:43 |
| dougshelley66 | iccha, i don't know that i was specifically recommending change to the spec. I was replying to a comment/question directed at me from sgotliv | 18:44 |
| dougshelley66 | i believe i was pointing out that i don't believe there is a security issue if properly configured | 18:44 |
| iccha | yes which makes sense, its the tenant which creates the instance who eventually has access to the logs | 18:45 |
| amrith | and the administrator and there appears to be no way for a tenant to shut that off. | 18:45 |
| iccha | because this is the tenant which can perform actions on the instance | 18:45 |
| iccha | yeah security chain never runs bottom up | 18:45 |
| iccha | we might want a separate blueprint on policies | 18:46 |
| amrith | sorry, I don't understand that statement. | 18:46 |
| iccha | if we want to control that as a deployer | 18:46 |
| amrith | I can make a guest image today where the administrator has no access. | 18:46 |
| amrith | if you want to control it as a deployer, that's your choice. In my opinion, it is shortsighted to assume that everyone will be satisfied with that approach. | 18:47 |
| iccha | amrith: i dont get what you want changed | 18:47 |
| amrith | I want the tenant to be able to specify that only the tenant has access to the logs, the administrator should not be able to invoke the API to retreive logs | 18:47 |
| amrith | unless the tenant allows it. | 18:47 |
| iccha | sgotliv: SlickNik XO19 if yall are around we re discussing log access :) | 18:47 |
| amrith | you can set the default anyway you want. | 18:47 |
| amrith | but you shouldn't IMHO take away the ability for a tenant to prevent the administrator from getting to the logs. | 18:48 |
| amrith | something which the tenant can (in some limited ways) do today. | 18:48 |
| iccha | amrith: do you mean admin user in the tenant or an admin superuser in admin tenant | 18:48 |
| amrith | admin superuser in admin tenant. | 18:49 |
| amrith | admin user in the tenant is the tenant | 18:49 |
| iccha | how can the tenant do that today amrith ? | 18:49 |
| amrith | by not having an ssh key that the administrator can use to ssh into the node. | 18:49 |
| amrith | the image is, I assume, created by the tennat | 18:49 |
| iccha | what if right now we made it a generic deployer level config to allow admins to access logs or not? | 18:50 |
| amrith | how can an tenant change that? | 18:50 |
| iccha | a tenant cannot change that | 18:51 |
| iccha | yes this takes me time to wrap my head about because in public cloud, the tenant doesnt create the image. :) | 18:51 |
| amrith | so let me state my requirement this way. no matter what the deployer level switch is set, I would like (as a tenant, the person spinning up a db) to make sure that no one other than the tenant (me) can access my log files. | 18:52 |
| iccha | would it help if it was an instance property which the client could set? | 18:52 |
| iccha | by default the value is false | 18:53 |
| iccha | and they could make a patch call to change it to true | 18:53 |
| amrith | I don't care about the default | 18:53 |
| iccha | to the instance | 18:53 |
| amrith | but what would the instance property control? | 18:53 |
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| iccha | the underlying issue is trove doesnt have policy control | 18:53 |
| iccha | nor does it have property protection | 18:53 |
| iccha | some other projects like glance and nova offer that | 18:54 |
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| iccha | The admins can do almost all actions via api for the tenant right now | 18:55 |
| amrith | I don't think I'm asking for anything like that | 18:55 |
| iccha | create databases, users | 18:55 |
| iccha | there is nothing preventing that right now | 18:55 |
| amrith | I'm just saying that on this API, can we ensure that the only context allowed to execute it is the tenant | 18:55 |
| amrith | and not anyone else. | 18:55 |
| amrith | based on a switch if you like. | 18:55 |
| iccha | where will you set that switch? | 18:55 |
| amrith | for that, I don't believe we need role based access control or some other infrastructure. | 18:55 |
| iccha | what if different tenants want diferent levels of access? | 18:56 |
| amrith | the tenant, and only the tenant who spins up the instance should be able to set that. | 18:56 |
| iccha | where will they set that switch? and how? | 18:56 |
| amrith | and a site wide default can be chosen. | 18:56 |
| amrith | it could be a parameter to trove create | 18:56 |
| amrith | it could be an independent cli | 18:56 |
| amrith | there would be some other API for it. | 18:56 |
| iccha | why someother api and not existing create call? | 18:57 |
| amrith | because I may want to change it on the fly | 18:57 |
| amrith | such as to allow an admin access for a while | 18:57 |
| iccha | and cant that someother api be our existing patch call? | 18:58 |
| iccha | where you can check using context who is trying to change which parameter | 18:58 |
| iccha | and forbid action if its not tenant | 18:58 |
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| amrith | sure, maybe that'll work. | 18:59 |
| sgotliv | amrith, iccha any conclusions, its a long discussion to read | 18:59 |
| iccha | sgotliv: you can pass in paramter during create admin_log_acces=true, which can be modified only by the tenant by an update call | 19:00 |
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| iccha | true/false | 19:00 |
| iccha | thanks for the discussion amrith | 19:00 |
| iccha | XO19: does that make sense? ^ | 19:00 |
| sgotliv | good for me | 19:00 |
| iccha | thanks sgotliv | 19:01 |
| vkmc | iccha, and that means that every user in that tenant will have access to the logs? if admin_log_access=true | 19:01 |
| sgotliv | vkmc, good question! | 19:01 |
| iccha | if its an admin in your tenant that means you trust your admin | 19:01 |
| iccha | if its an admin in admin tenant then its someone outside your company | 19:02 |
| sgotliv | iccha, but only admin, right? | 19:02 |
| iccha | sgotliv: you mean log_access for which users in a given tenant - admins and nonadmins or only admins? | 19:02 |
| amrith | sgotliv, iccha, vkmc, dougshelley66 ... I'd propose that someone (iccha or XO19) summarize this and make it part of the spec so we can continue the review there. that was what SlickNik had suggested at the last meeting. | 19:03 |
| vkmc | if its an admin in admin tenant I don't think why he should have access to the logs | 19:03 |
| amrith | I don't believe that we should go from this IRC to implementation. | 19:03 |
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| amrith | with the assumption that the spec is approved. | 19:03 |
| amrith | there are others who aren't here today who are likely to have opinions as well | 19:03 |
| iccha | vkmc: +1 thats what we re suggesting here | 19:03 |
| amrith | and the intent was to let them comment in the gerrit review. | 19:03 |
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| iccha | amrith: +1 i agree, this discussion was just to make sure we can update the proposal | 19:04 |
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| vkmc | iccha, cool :) | 19:04 |
| iccha | XO19: will update it and be there at tomorrow's meeting amrith | 19:04 |
| XO19 | will do | 19:04 |
| vkmc | XO19, +1 | 19:04 |
| iccha | thanks XO19 | 19:04 |
| iccha | thanks everyone good discussion | 19:06 |
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