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| zioproto | jproulx: I have no idea. I always led K8s create a new Floating IP on the fly | 09:41 |
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| zioproto | we have the UC meeting today | 09:41 |
| zioproto | is it where and at what time ? | 09:41 |
| zioproto | I got lost with my schedule | 09:41 |
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| zioproto | mrhillsman: hello ? | 14:38 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 16:22 |
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| zioproto | I am here | 17:51 |
| zioproto | meeting in 8 minutes ? | 17:52 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 17:57 |
| shamail | hiya | 17:57 |
| zioproto | is it here ?? | 17:59 |
| VW | I believe so | 18:00 |
| shamail | yea | 18:00 |
| shamail | im in two meetings so cant run it | 18:01 |
| zioproto | #startmeeting uc | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 30 18:02:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zioproto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 18:02 |
| zioproto | I did it right ?] | 18:02 |
| mrhillsman | sorry, thx zioproto | 18:02 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 18:02 |
| zioproto | #chair mrhillsman | 18:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mrhillsman zioproto | 18:02 |
| mrhillsman | same boat as shamail, multiple things going on | 18:02 |
| mrhillsman | #chair shamail VW | 18:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: VW mrhillsman shamail zioproto | 18:03 |
| mrhillsman | good time to practice zioproto, your meeting good sir :) | 18:03 |
| shamail | :) | 18:03 |
| mrhillsman | meh, i need to update the wiki, will do before i land in sydney :) | 18:04 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman update wiki; redirect to governance for wg/team information | 18:04 |
| zioproto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 18:04 |
| zioproto | #topic roll call | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:05 | |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 18:05 |
| zioproto | so it is me mrhillsman shamail VW ... edgar is missing | 18:05 |
| zioproto | right ? | 18:05 |
| mrhillsman | correct | 18:05 |
| shamail | Yep | 18:05 |
| zioproto | lets go on then | 18:06 |
| zioproto | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:06 | |
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| zioproto | we changed the meeting time right ? | 18:06 |
| mrhillsman | hey emagana ;) | 18:06 |
| emagana | hello! | 18:06 |
| emagana | Yes, I was having some connectivity issues, my apologies. | 18:06 |
| mrhillsman | just emailed you hehe | 18:06 |
| VW | no worries - glad you are here | 18:06 |
| emagana | have you started the meeting? | 18:06 |
| zioproto | yes | 18:07 |
| emagana | awesome! keep going.. you are hosting it now ;-) | 18:07 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:07 |
| zioproto | there was a patch about the meeting change.. was it merged? | 18:08 |
| emagana | Yes, it was zioproto | 18:08 |
| zioproto | there is any wiki or website to be manually updated with the new schedule ?? | 18:09 |
| emagana | we did already | 18:09 |
| emagana | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 18:10 |
| zioproto | I read just 18:00 UTC, isn't it like before ? | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | i took action to update wiki | 18:10 |
| zioproto | ah ok ! | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | apologies as i was supposed to do so some time ago | 18:10 |
| zioproto | no problem | 18:10 |
| mrhillsman | will make sure it gets done between now and my flight over the pacific | 18:11 |
| zioproto | should we go the agenda item number 3 ? I guess that is the most important today | 18:11 |
| mrhillsman | sure | 18:11 |
| zioproto | #topic Topics for Join meeting with Board and TC | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics for Join meeting with Board and TC (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:11 | |
| emagana | I added that one | 18:12 |
| emagana | on Sunday before the summit, we will have the join meeting between Board, TC and UC. | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | so you, me, zioproto will be in sydney yes? | 18:12 |
| emagana | Alan has asked us if we have some topics for the meeting. So, I wanted to know if anyone has anything to bring to the Board? | 18:12 |
| shamail | I will not be there :[ | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | shamail no and VW? | 18:12 |
| VW | I will be there | 18:12 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool | 18:12 |
| VW | probably at 11 - going to try and make mass beforehand | 18:13 |
| emagana | Don't forget to RSVP for the meeting and dinner. | 18:13 |
| VW | I know we can sit in the earlier session if we would like | 18:13 |
| mrhillsman | introduction of newly elected members | 18:13 |
| emagana | My flight lands at 6:30am on that Sunday... | 18:13 |
| zioproto | I will be there | 18:13 |
| zioproto | I booked the eventbrite for the dinner | 18:13 |
| VW | I only got an invite for the dinner | 18:13 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: That is a good idea, we should do a intro for the new faces! | 18:14 |
| VW | was there one for the meeting? | 18:14 |
| zioproto | there another eventbrite for the day board dinner? | 18:14 |
| zioproto | I mean day board meeting | 18:14 |
| zioproto | I have the same question as VM | 18:14 |
| emagana | the board meeting is open to everybody, just the executive session in private. | 18:14 |
| emagana | which normally is a lunch time | 18:14 |
| mrhillsman | so the stewardship thing tc went through, doug took docs team through it | 18:15 |
| mrhillsman | wondering if this would be something to bring up during this session | 18:15 |
| mrhillsman | we have not established any goals, so maybe that could be one, to actually go through that process relevant to being an opensource committee | 18:15 |
| mrhillsman | thoughts? | 18:16 |
| mrhillsman | i know we have a forum session about goals too | 18:16 |
| mrhillsman | just throwing something out there | 18:16 |
| mrhillsman | also we discussed getting specific help from staff | 18:17 |
| mrhillsman | tom is "gone" so may be a good time to bring this up | 18:17 |
| emagana | I think that is more for a UC session | 18:17 |
| emagana | at least you mean the OpenStack goals? | 18:17 |
| mrhillsman | at least introduce it and get it in folks minds for further discussion | 18:17 |
| mrhillsman | i'm just trying to spark some thoughts :) | 18:18 |
| mrhillsman | remembering what we previously discussed | 18:18 |
| emagana | those are welcome! | 18:18 |
| zioproto | I think Tom did a great job from Openstack. Now that he is gone we sure need someone else. I think this is a good thing to bring up | 18:18 |
| emagana | I like that part.. zioproto | 18:19 |
| zioproto | Is it normal that Official minutes is a broken link here for the October 10th meeting ? #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation#OpenStack_Board_of_Director_Meetings | 18:19 |
| mrhillsman | we may not get a definitive answer but we could set the stage | 18:19 |
| emagana | I always have in mind to include one of the Foundation members in the UC like Terry in the TC | 18:19 |
| aprice | There will be some Foundation folks at the UC sessions so we can make sure the close the loop with Tom's departure | 18:20 |
| aprice | including myself :) | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | agreed emagana | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | i think it would be great for a uc member to be staff | 18:20 |
| mrhillsman | we can just see where things go from sydney | 18:21 |
| aprice | ok - we can discuss those options in Sydney | 18:21 |
| aprice | We have several staff members who will be more plugged in with the UC activities now. | 18:21 |
| mrhillsman | definitely a lot to consider/discuss around topic | 18:21 |
| mrhillsman | awesome aprice! | 18:22 |
| emagana | we have discussed that previously with the Foundation and the reaction was positive but they wanted to be sure that we really need a full time dedicated person.. The TC has a lot of work for the releases but the UC less.. | 18:22 |
| emagana | For the most important work (the user survey) we have 100% dedication already | 18:22 |
| emagana | Thanks aprice! | 18:23 |
| emagana | I think we could agree that the Foundation will provide support and resources as needed. | 18:23 |
| emagana | is that correct aprice? | 18:23 |
| aprice | yes, we will definitely continue to support as needed. Any insight into particular projects will be useful | 18:24 |
| aprice | I know we have helped with Forum programming, roadmap creation and user survey among other projects, but knowing where help is needed will be incredibly useful | 18:24 |
| emagana | +2 | 18:26 |
| VW | That's how I'm understanding it too, emagana | 18:27 |
| zioproto | I have an idea I want to share | 18:27 |
| zioproto | I dont know if it the right place for this idea | 18:27 |
| emagana | In my opinion, the UC could have a bigger impact but sometimes is hard for us (UC members) to lead the projects because they require time than sometimes is hard to have from our day-to-day operations activities. | 18:27 |
| emagana | zioproto: go ahead! | 18:27 |
| zioproto | I have been following Horizon issues lately. And I have been collecting feedback about Horizon rants. | 18:27 |
| zioproto | The dev team needs more help | 18:27 |
| zioproto | AFAIK they are just two people | 18:28 |
| zioproto | they dont accept BP if there is not someone willing to implement it | 18:28 |
| zioproto | the situation is quite bad | 18:28 |
| zioproto | is this kind of stuff of interest of the board ? | 18:28 |
| zioproto | of it is offtopic ? | 18:28 |
| zioproto | are we supposed to bring user feedback ? | 18:28 |
| zioproto | please tell me if I am out of context | 18:29 |
| emagana | IMHO you could bring to the TC | 18:29 |
| zioproto | because I am new here, and I feel a bit lost about what kind of topics/feedbacks we have to bring to the board meeting | 18:29 |
| emagana | This is a good example! | 18:29 |
| emagana | We should discuss with the Board what is our strategy to retain developers and to increase in the projects that are in need of them | 18:30 |
| zioproto | Summary: general feeling of operators/users community is that Horizon is a second class citizen in the Openstack Ecosystem. Many deployments have proprietary web interfaces. How to support the development of Horizon so that it will not be the demo-web-interface but it becomes a production solid web interface ? | 18:31 |
| emagana | zioproto: Assign me the action item to bring this topic to the agenda of the meeting with Tc and board | 18:31 |
| mrhillsman | i think it is a good place to bring up in the meeting | 18:32 |
| zioproto | aprice: now that it comes to my mind. It would be nice to collect data (if we dont do already) about deployments that use a proprietary web interface instead of Horizon | 18:32 |
| VW | well, that touches on a larger subject that the UC should probably be involved in - what really is the core set of projects and what should be more of the ecosystem | 18:32 |
| zioproto | aprice: in the next survey I mean | 18:32 |
| zioproto | #action emagana bring the Horizon support topic to the agenda of the meeting with the TC and board | 18:33 |
| emagana | +1 | 18:33 |
| aprice | thanks zioproto | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | VW ++ which there are probably a number of larger subjects, which we could sit, discuss, and map out over cycles, i.e. goals | 18:33 |
| zioproto | aprice: thanks to you ! | 18:33 |
| VW | probably so, mrhillsman | 18:33 |
| mrhillsman | so that we have problem statement, possible solutions/steps, calls to action | 18:34 |
| mrhillsman | which are good to bring up in these meetings | 18:34 |
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| mrhillsman | vs open-ended items because it leaves the door open for them to be shot down more easily | 18:35 |
| mrhillsman | not saying that is the aim but just the possibility | 18:35 |
| VW | in truth, I don't have much of an idea on topics to add because I'd like to get a feel for the larger discussions the Board, TC and UC are involved in so I can form an opinion | 18:38 |
| mrhillsman | understandable | 18:38 |
| emagana | VW: You can find the logs of the previous meetings here: | 18:39 |
| emagana | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation#OpenStack_Board_of_Director_Meetings | 18:39 |
| VW | yeah emagana - lots of reading to do on the plane :) | 18:39 |
| zioproto | emagana: I tried to go through the logs ... you must be a superhero to get a feel for the larger discussions that are going on from there ! | 18:40 |
| zioproto | emagana: most of the links are empty documents | 18:41 |
| zioproto | try to get something out of the 10th october meeting | 18:41 |
| zioproto | I could not :( | 18:41 |
| zioproto | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/10Oct2017BoardMeeting | 18:41 |
| zioproto | this links then to a empty etherpad | 18:41 |
| zioproto | the only thing that is really documented is managing the new projects because there is a slide deck | 18:42 |
| zioproto | VW: on the place you must have Internet connection to go through this material | 18:43 |
| zioproto | sorry, this wanted to be a feedback not a rant | 18:43 |
| * VW is optimistic there will be wifi | 18:43 | |
| emagana | zioproto: I will bring that feedback to Alan and the Board | 18:43 |
| mrhillsman | zioproto that one was a phone call but yeah, empty etherpad should probably be removed :) | 18:44 |
| zioproto | last 15 minutes | 18:46 |
| zioproto | do we have more items ? | 18:46 |
| zioproto | do we have logistic stuff to discuss for Sydney ? | 18:47 |
| lsell | this is lauren...i wanted to comment on two things quickly that somewhat relate to sydney | 18:47 |
| lsell | sorry to join late | 18:47 |
| zioproto | lsell: go ahead | 18:47 |
| lsell | allison said that y'all were going to discuss the ops meetup potential event co-location in the meeting tomorrow, but i was wondering if we could hold off and discuss next steps in the sydney forum session | 18:47 |
| lsell | i can't attend tomorrow, but i'm planning to be there in sydney and would really like to be part of the discussion | 18:48 |
| VW | we can lsell | 18:48 |
| VW | I'm the moderator for said sessin | 18:48 |
| VW | and I can relay the same in IRC tomorrow | 18:48 |
| lsell | i'm also planning to attend the UC goals session, and would like to talk about how we can work closer together next year | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | maybe add items to the session | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle?BackURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fsummit%2Fsydney-2017%2Fsummit-schedule%2Fglobal-search%3Ft%3DUser%2BCommittee%23eventid%3D20496 | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | sorry | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-uc-planning-activities-for-next-cycle | 18:49 |
| lsell | definitely in regards to tom's departure, i'd like to fully document what he's been doing that's helpful for you, and what else we want to tackle next year | 18:49 |
| shamail | +1 | 18:49 |
| emagana | +2 thanks a lot lsell | 18:49 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 18:50 |
| zioproto | +1 | 18:50 |
| lsell | anyway, both meetings are on my calendar, i've been working on my schedule today as i'm sure all of you have :) | 18:50 |
| mrhillsman | yep, did mine today :) | 18:50 |
| lsell | i jdidn't want the ops mid cycle discussion to go too far tomorrow before we could all get together | 18:50 |
| VW | trying to get several SYD schedule things sorted myself | 18:51 |
| VW | I'll do my best to keep them reigned in tomorrow lsell | 18:52 |
| lsell | haha thanks | 18:52 |
| VW | but we'll definitely make that a big part of the conversation in the Ops Meetup planning session there | 18:53 |
| emagana | VW: Just make sure Chris Morgan <mihalis> is aware of this. | 18:53 |
| VW | yep - will chat about it with him tomorrow | 18:53 |
| zioproto | I will fire the last topic then... we have just 6 minutes to go | 18:53 |
| zioproto | #topic Sydney Summit - Preparation | 18:53 |
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| zioproto | Just to recap important dates and times | 18:54 |
| zioproto | Sunday is the board meeting, starting in the morning, right ? at 9:00 | 18:55 |
| mrhillsman | nothing more from me | 18:55 |
| emagana | correct zioproto | 18:55 |
| zioproto | and we are busy with that the all day.. we have the board dinner then | 18:55 |
| lsell | Yes, board meeting starts at 9 and the joint meeting starts at 11 on sunday | 18:55 |
| lsell | there will be some board business in the morning, like a new member presentation, but everyone is welcome | 18:56 |
| zioproto | are we supposed to be there at 9 or at 11 ? | 18:56 |
| zioproto | the wednesday we have this session about UC Wednesday, November 8, 11:50am-12:30pm | 18:56 |
| zioproto | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle | 18:56 |
| emagana | it is up to you, you can join at 9am | 18:56 |
| lsell | you're supposed to be there by 11, but you are welcome to attend at 9 if you'd like to hear the board meeting | 18:56 |
| lsell | yes | 18:56 |
| zioproto | User Committee - Planning activities for next cycle | 18:57 |
| zioproto | sorry for pasting over your conversation... is because we are short with time | 18:57 |
| zioproto | ok, so we have 1 thing Sunday and 1 thing Wednesday | 18:57 |
| zioproto | there should be at least the operators forum session that is related to UC ? | 18:57 |
| zioproto | when is that | 18:57 |
| zioproto | ? | 18:57 |
| mrhillsman | https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19343/working-groups-updates-and-coordination-meeting-with-uc | 18:58 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19343/working-groups-updates-and-coordination-meeting-with-uc | 18:58 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20481/ops-meetup-team-catch-up | 18:58 |
| mrhillsman | probably two other important sessions | 18:59 |
| zioproto | thanks ! | 18:59 |
| mrhillsman | or at least ones to consider | 18:59 |
| mrhillsman | having at least one uc person in | 18:59 |
| emagana | Thanks! | 18:59 |
| emagana | ciao ciao | 18:59 |
| mrhillsman | ciao | 18:59 |
| emagana | I need to join another call.. | 18:59 |
| zioproto | see you guys in Sydney ! | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 19:00 |
| aprice | See you there! | 19:00 |
| VW | yeah - I am in another meeting too | 19:00 |
| zioproto | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| VW | see you all on Sunday | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 30 19:00:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-10-30-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-10-30-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-10-30-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | lsell have mark scout a wake boarding spot :) | 19:00 |
| lsell | haha yes! | 19:00 |
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| emagana | safe traveling to all | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | same to you buddy | 19:00 |
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