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| spotz | O/ | 14:02 |
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| mrhillsman | #startmeeting uc | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 14 14:02:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
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| aprice | o/ | 14:03 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Roll Call | 14:04 |
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| mrhillsman | agenda btw #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs | 14:04 |
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| mrhillsman | guess everyone is here :) | 14:06 |
| jamesmcarthur | Hi :) | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | did we need to add anything else to the agenda? | 14:06 |
| aprice | I can cover user survey stuff in other business | 14:07 |
| mrhillsman | let's do that first ;) | 14:07 |
| mrhillsman | #topic User Survey | 14:07 |
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| aprice | spotz put it on the ML last week - thank you! | 14:08 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:08 |
| aprice | It is now open until early August so as you meet folks next week, please encourage them to take it | 14:08 |
| aprice | If there’s any feedback, please let me and jamesmcarthur know | 14:08 |
| aprice | That’s really it - just wanted to close the loop on that. | 14:08 |
| aprice | Thank you all for testing! | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | Awesome | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | Thanks again to you and all the folks who maintain and improve this very important tool | 14:10 |
| aprice | Np! | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | #topic User Committee Update Deck | 14:11 |
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| mrhillsman | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-xQApxg3xY3jBagID3PO1MCJiFYPaAw8yHmFdtMj8Pc | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | So we have to get this to the team organizing the joint meeting today | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | eumel8 added some items for the last slide | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | it can definitely use more, but if we can quickly review all the others for any obvious issues and fix right now that would be great. | 14:12 |
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| VW | heyo! | 14:13 |
| VW | sorry I'm late | 14:13 |
| zioproto | hello | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | hey guys | 14:13 |
| spotz | Hey! | 14:14 |
| mrhillsman | we are looking at #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-xQApxg3xY3jBagID3PO1MCJiFYPaAw8yHmFdtMj8Pc | 14:14 |
| aprice | One thing on the AUC piece - since the ops midcycle will be integrated into the ptg, should we update that? | 14:14 |
| zioproto | sorry I was also late, I opened the link right now | 14:14 |
| mrhillsman | first doing a quick glance over to see if there are any glaring issues/changes | 14:14 |
| mrhillsman | is that better aprice ? | 14:15 |
| mrhillsman | PTG Ops sessions attendees instead of just session moderators (~50) | 14:15 |
| aprice | mrhillsman: yeah I think that’s better | 14:16 |
| aprice | We can work with the events team on how we want to track that | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 14:16 |
| aprice | I think on the committee goals, next to office hours, you could put that this would make the UC more accessible to new operators or those with questions. | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | so one thing while it is on my brain, i think it would be good to have something folks can easily visualize by berlin on a few of these key things | 14:18 |
| aprice | So it can show the why | 14:18 |
| aprice | ++ | 14:18 |
| spotz | +1 | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 14:19 |
| mrhillsman | i was thinking about that, can we qualify some of these | 14:19 |
| VW | tweaked a few things on slide 12 and 13 | 14:20 |
| spotz | vw on 13 I think it should be feedback, PTG, or but I'm not sure if you wanted feedback and ptg grouped | 14:22 |
| spotz | aha:) | 14:22 |
| VW | thanks! | 14:22 |
| spotz | One thing we could do by Berlin which would definitely be visual and meet some of the earlier goals is work with the x,y and z to increase the number of AUC | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | what do you all think about something easily visual... | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | was not sure that comment was caught | 14:24 |
| spotz | The 1-3 forum talks is also visual | 14:24 |
| VW | yep :) | 14:26 |
| spotz | Basically we need stuff that is either quantitative or is us in their face type stuff | 14:26 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:26 |
| jamesmcarthur | Ideally we could measure this by how many UC goals make it into a release cycle | 14:26 |
| aprice | The user survey report will be live by Berlin so that can be the source of some content as well as goals / places the UC can help | 14:27 |
| jamesmcarthur | But since this is the first time we are doing this, we might have to wait a cycle. | 14:27 |
| spotz | yeah this sounds like a building cycle, some progress shown in Berlin and then more of a finished product | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | both of those sound good | 14:27 |
| aprice | spotz: ++ | 14:28 |
| VW | yeah jamesmcarthur - goal one is turn user feedback IN TO priorities in the dev cycle | 14:29 |
| VW | step 2 is tracking their completion | 14:29 |
| VW | :) | 14:29 |
| jamesmcarthur | Aye | 14:29 |
| spotz | And each cycle if we can add 1-2 feedbacks and work them through the process | 14:29 |
| VW | ++++++++! | 14:30 |
| jamesmcarthur | Like this. | 14:31 |
| josephrsandoval | +1 | 14:33 |
| aprice | I honestly think that the combination of the ops midcycle into the ptg is a good first step | 14:34 |
| aprice | And a good example to call out in Vancouver | 14:35 |
| spotz | Yeah I'm excited to be going especially with the combined groups | 14:35 |
| mrhillsman | good note aprice | 14:35 |
| spotz | That'd be nice to get slipped into a keynote that the groups will both be at PTG.... | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | i was trying to think of what we could do with committee goals slide since it is kind of a bit of what we look at today and what we have been looking at | 14:37 |
| zioproto | I have a proposal for goals | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | maybe we could use two columns | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | Current | Identified ? | 14:37 |
| spotz | In Progress | Identified? | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | Shrink it down, and add some detail where appropriate, hope that makes sense | 14:38 |
| zioproto | Community Emails metrics https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/rO7vR5cW/Screen%20Shot%202018-05-14%20at%2016.25.37.png | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | Even better | 14:38 |
| zioproto | Looking at Stackalytics it looks like the mailing list are losing people. A goal for the future would be to keep the community interaction above a certain level. | 14:39 |
| zioproto | btw, metrics for 2018 for emails seems to be broken or not updated yet | 14:39 |
| zioproto | Also bugs graphic is interesting | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, i think broken maybe | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | i don't recall where but thierry has some numbers re it | 14:40 |
| zioproto | Resolved Bugs graph https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0yccOkQ2/Resolved%20Bugs%20graph | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | oh yeah, it is a forum session | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21747/opsdevs-one-community | 14:40 |
| zioproto | btw what I want to say is that from the data is clear that the community is facing a moment of decrease in numbers, so as UC we could try to keep the graph at least stable. If the question was what is the posible goal for next year | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | he put this on one of the ML and had some numbers around ML | 14:41 |
| spotz | zioproto: I think the only way to appropriately do that is as a percent of emails to the number of active people? Not sure we have the data | 14:41 |
| zioproto | spotz: I mean, all metrics are going down. Reviews, commits, emails. It is an indicator that the community is getting smaller. As goal of the UC we should try to keep the community together | 14:42 |
| zioproto | I did not want to comment a specific graph | 14:42 |
| zioproto | I wanted to give the general idea, supported by numbers | 14:42 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | just a time check, we have about 15 minutes left | 14:43 |
| zioproto | I dont know if the contribution to the User Survey is stable as number of people filling the survey, or we have a + or - ? | 14:43 |
| aprice | zioproto: in 2017 we had an increase | 14:44 |
| aprice | We just opened it for 2018 so that’s why I want to make sure we encourage everyone to complete it - particularly at events where new users may be attending | 14:44 |
| spotz | aprice: I'll wear my user survey shirt one day, it's bright orange:) | 14:45 |
| VW | there are user shirts? | 14:46 |
| aprice | spotz: user survey shirt?! | 14:46 |
| VW | :P | 14:46 |
| aprice | How have I not seen this? Lol | 14:46 |
| spotz | I got in in barcelona for doing the survey:) | 14:46 |
| zioproto | aprice: great ! it means that when we push something to the community we get feedback | 14:46 |
| spotz | aprice: I'll take a pic and text you it | 14:46 |
| zioproto | aprice: I am a little bit more worried about the closed bugs metrics for example :) | 14:46 |
| aprice | spotz: nice! | 14:46 |
| aprice | zioproto: that makes sense | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | zioproto maybe this is something we can have data on by Berlin? | 14:48 |
| zioproto | I guess so | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | so we could work on particular metrics we want to try to gather and report on by then? | 14:48 |
| jamesmcarthur | Zoo zioproto | 14:48 |
| jamesmcarthur | Doh | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | we can provide what we think are the metrics we should look at and track in vancouver? | 14:49 |
| aprice | I think that’s a good idea and will help the board see the tangible results in Berlin | 14:49 |
| jamesmcarthur | Zioproto: I think this also plays into the email Thierry sent this morning regarding large scale community goals instead of project specific goals | 14:49 |
| spotz | I'm going to have to unpack from Sydney to find it I think:) | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | additionally i believe there may be some insight from the TC as i know Thierry has had some data at least partially relevant to what you are saying | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | in past meetings and i believe Chris Dent does as well | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | i also agree with this being part of community-wide goals and the forum session i mentioned, as well as the item we have about community-wide goals not having user input are related to this possibly | 14:51 |
| VW | Yes, jamesmcarthur, we are at a stage where everyone needs to share larger vision for OpenStack as a whole | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | so we can set the stage during the meeting in that regard | 14:51 |
| VW | and the individual projects should form their plans around how they help achieve that goal | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | i believe overall zioproto that is essentially what the meeting will entail at a high level | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | there is quite a bit of time dedicated to strategy | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | i think the key is how user community is part of strategy | 14:54 |
| spotz | +1 | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | commits is more directly tied to tc wheelhouse but we should definitely consider how it ties into ours and bubble that up | 14:54 |
| zioproto | +1 | 14:55 |
| VW | at some point, we should be able to track the number of commits driven by user feedback | 14:55 |
| VW | but we have a lot to build to get there | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | i think we can achieve this possibly by doing things like working with ^ | 14:55 |
| VW | so our goals should be focused on achieving each of the necessary steps along that path | 14:56 |
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| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:56 |
| zioproto | looks like we have an idea of possible goals for the future :) | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | we only have a few minutes left | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | i was looking at this the other day #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | which i think is quite relevant to this conversation | 14:57 |
| VW | #homework ? | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | in particular #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/Development_Proposals | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | i think this was viewed bad but could be quite relevant to this context | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | which is what some of the discussions in the product team hinged on before it as shut down | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | i'll go ahead and stop the meeting :) | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 14 14:59:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-05-14-14.02.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-05-14-14.02.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2018/uc.2018-05-14-14.02.log.html | 14:59 |
| zioproto | thanks ! | 15:00 |
| zioproto | bye | 15:00 |
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| aprice | thanks! let us know if you need any other help with the deck before sending it out today | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | did not want to go over | 15:00 |
| VW | thanks for driving, mrhillsman | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | very welcome, thx everyone for attending | 15:01 |
| jamesmca_ | thanks all! nice work :) | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | zioproto can you add to identified goals | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | i'll make the slide prettier in a bit :) | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | one more sub sub bullet and it will be troubling to look at | 15:02 |
| VW | I'll go back through once or twice as well and make sure there's nothing else I'd like to add | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | ok cool | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | let's say cutoff is 9pm central? | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | i think that will give zioproto time to take a look again | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | i'll be sure to check with him at least before sending | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | as well as leong | 15:03 |
| VW | 9pm central is good | 15:03 |
| VW | thanks mrhillsman | 15:03 |
| VW | you, as always, are the man! | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | cool, ttyl | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | thx dude :) | 15:04 |
| mrhillsman | had and continue to have a lot of help along the way ;) | 15:04 |
| VW | hee hee | 15:06 |
| VW | that may be true, but I still want to be mrhillsman when I grow up | 15:06 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 15:07 |
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| spotz | aprice jamesmca_ Will there be a joint board meeting at the PTG and if so do we know the date yet? Need to book | 15:25 |
| jamesmca_ | spotz: I don't know if we've nailed that down yet. | 15:26 |
| spotz | So get in Sat to be safe? | 15:26 |
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