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| ianychoi | ildikov, the new logo will be landed to web pages after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461523/ is landed after my further investigation. | 09:00 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: awesome, thanks! | 09:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Additions to Website https://review.openstack.org/461477 | 09:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add development environment slide https://review.openstack.org/461398 | 10:02 |
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| kmARC | this summit schedule web page is ridiculous... It's so user-UNfriendly as never before... :-( | 11:05 |
| ianychoi | kmARC, for which perspective? For me, I previously added all to my watched lists but new added "my schedule" is something different :( | 11:41 |
| kmARC | 1) no one-click add to your watch list. WTF. click on a menu, then click on "schedule" | 11:44 |
| kmARC | 2) filtering sucks hard, there is thousands of pixels vertically on a decent laptop screen, yet the popup is abound 50px high | 11:44 |
| kmARC | 3) select the "track" you are interested in, then you need to click through the days, there is no view where your selected tracks' talks are all there | 11:44 |
| kmARC | 4) cannot filter out lightning talks, everything is vomited into the same list. | 11:44 |
| kmARC | it is a UX disaster | 11:44 |
| kmARC | 5) Google calendar batch sync doesn't work (with adblocker disabled, I checked) | 11:45 |
| kmARC | I _do_ miss sched.org, compared to what we had there this is an unusable piece of crap. I remember last time it was already very crappy, a couple people told this during the feedback session, now it's even less usable | 11:47 |
| kmARC | Oh, and it is very, VERY SLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW | 11:47 |
| kmARC | 6) there are colors on the left side of the boxes. There is no legend that would explain what those colors mean | 11:48 |
| kmARC | I mean, this is really a bad piece of engineering/design. | 11:48 |
| kmARC | Why? | 11:48 |
| ianychoi | Slow.. T.T Yep For me, sched.org had worse experience - at least sharing event details was too difficult AFAIK | 11:52 |
| ianychoi | Moreover, limited number of assigning moderators, and speakers was supported in sched.org | 11:53 |
| ianychoi | I think Foundation UX developer has been working very hard to enhance UX things.. | 11:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Ildiko Vancsa proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add development environment slide https://review.openstack.org/461398 | 12:16 |
| kmARC | ianychoi: at this point I would found it easier to export it as excel, so that I could filter that | 12:43 |
| kmARC | actually this is, generally speaking, a problem with some 'hard worker UX developers' - they so 'hard working' on "enhancing" stuff, that if you take step back and look at the result, you would realise that the "skin" is really 2017, however functionality is even worse than win+excel95. This is not UX engineering. At most UI design, but the usability is | 12:45 |
| kmARC | missing from it. Completely. | 12:45 |
| ildikov | kmARC: at least there's a web page, most conferences switched to a mobile app fully | 13:08 |
| ildikov | kmARC: which blows my mind as I don't want to install a ton of mobile apps that I'm using for 3 days... :/ | 13:09 |
| ildikov | kmARC: I haven't explored this web page that much yet, so I will not argue with you on the UX design details, just wanted to share my 2 cents | 13:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Add development environment slide https://review.openstack.org/461398 | 13:42 |
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| spotz_ | Hey all, we going to make a groupme/what's app or anything for communication? | 14:46 |
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| ildikov | spotz_: what do you mean exactly? like for this team during the Summit or smth like? | 14:51 |
| csatari | No, it looks like my corporate connection is down, not openstack.org | 14:51 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, just I would like to tell that https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ now uses new logo :) | 14:52 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: awesome, thanks! :) | 14:53 |
| spotz_ | ildikov: yeah | 14:53 |
| ildikov | spotz_: I didn't think of setting up anything like that | 14:54 |
| ildikov | spotz_: I personally don't want to sign up to even more things, but that's really my personal view | 14:54 |
| ildikov | spotz_: so if others here would see that useful we can look into it | 14:54 |
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| spotz_ | ildikov: I've got a few setup cause of needing to coordinate, like WoO and OSA | 14:55 |
| ildikov | spotz_: I have IRC on my phone, so I always use that as excuse :) | 14:55 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Same here. | 14:56 |
| jungleboyj | irccloud is my friend. | 14:56 |
| ildikov | mine too | 14:56 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Great minds ... | 14:57 |
| ildikov | :) | 14:57 |
| spotz_ | ildikov: jungleboyj - WoO has phone meetings..... | 14:58 |
| spotz_ | I have a bouncer, but I don't get back log on the phone | 14:58 |
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| * jungleboyj pictures spotz_ walking around with a bouncer protecting her. :-) | 14:59 | |
| spotz_ | jungleboyj: hehehe | 14:59 |
| ildikov | spotz_: well, if that's what works, I mean the phone meetings, oh well | 14:59 |
| spotz_ | ildikov: Most aren't on IRC... It's a sad thing I could attend more concurrent meetings if they were all IRC:) | 15:00 |
| ildikov | spotz_: I didn't want to advertise anything here just don't want more accounts and apps on my phone, etc | 15:06 |
| ildikov | spotz_: I'm old fashioned and reaching my limits at this point :) | 15:06 |
| spotz_ | NP, You and Kendall can reach me if I miss something important:) | 15:06 |
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| csatari | ildikov> What to do with the User Committee part? | 15:15 |
| csatari | Will we have a separate presentation about it? | 15:16 |
| ildikov | csatari: I updated the one from Barcelona, will ping Edgar again about it | 15:18 |
| csatari | Thanks | 15:19 |
| csatari | It seems that either the traiing material or https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html is wrong in the definition of APC. | 15:30 |
| csatari | According to the training material ATC = someone who commited a change in the last two cycles. | 15:31 |
| csatari | APC = ATC + some things (going to meetings, mailings or anything else (which is [roject specific)) | 15:32 |
| csatari | But according to https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html | 15:32 |
| csatari | APC = someone who commited a change in the last two cycles. | 15:33 |
| csatari | and | 15:33 |
| csatari | ATC = someone who commited a change in the last two cycles. | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gergely Csatari proposed openstack/training-guides master: Some corrections to the Governance slides https://review.openstack.org/461831 | 15:48 |
| ildikov | csatari: I think it boils down to what point of view you're looking at it from | 15:49 |
| ildikov | csatari: so from a projects' perspective someone is either an APC there or not | 15:50 |
| ildikov | csatari: but no matter where that one committed change is, if the person has it then the person is an ATC | 15:50 |
| csatari | ildikov: Oookay, but https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html is more rigid on this, like "Individual Members who committed a change to a repository of a project over the last two 6-month release cycles are considered APC for that project team." | 15:53 |
| csatari | Anyways, in the material we can use the less rigid definitions. | 15:54 |
| ildikov | csatari: how is that more rigid? | 15:55 |
| csatari | There is a single rule to become APC and no more. | 15:56 |
| csatari | (which is the same as to become an ATC) | 15:56 |
| ildikov | csatari: so when someone get a change merged, that person automatically becomes an ATC as that's an overall thing and the person becomes an APC in that project of which repository the change got merged | 15:57 |
| ildikov | so that's why I said that it's the matter of where you look at it from | 15:58 |
| ildikov | the person is an ATC everywhere, but APC in only one project | 15:58 |
| csatari | Aaahhaa, to being ATC is an OpenStack wide thing, while being APC is a project specific. | 15:58 |
| ildikov | yes :) | 15:58 |
| csatari | Now I got is. | 15:58 |
| csatari | it | 15:58 |
| ildikov | sorry, I'm not that good with explaining things | 15:59 |
| csatari | I will add this to https://review.openstack.org/461831 | 15:59 |
| csatari | , but only tomorow. | 15:59 |
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| ildikov | csatari: cool, tnx | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, so funny story, I totally added the how to contribute section to the continued ed in boston, but my buffer got jacked up and that part of the change got lost somewhere without me noticing. I can push a patch today to add that. | 16:02 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: :) | 16:18 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: I think it would be useful to have if you have time to add it again | 16:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | ildikov, I agree :) its on my todo list today! | 16:36 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: thanks much! | 16:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Adding How to Contrib Track https://review.openstack.org/461859 | 17:44 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, ^^ | 17:44 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: added a suggestion in line, really not critical | 17:48 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: the link works well, I checked the build, so I will not block the review on that if you don't agree | 17:48 |
| diablo_rojo | fine by me. I thought it was a little awkwardly phrased in the first place. | 17:49 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose we could go look at the track description and pull from that to | 17:49 |
| diablo_rojo | *too | 17:49 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ildikov Yeah, that is awkwardly worded. | 17:58 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, yes I know ;) | 17:58 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, this is what the track description is: | 17:58 |
| diablo_rojo | The How to Contribute track is for community members and companies interested in contributing to the OpenStack code, with a focus on the community processes, tools and best practices. | 17:58 |
| jungleboyj | I like ildikov 's recommendation. | 17:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me | 18:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Adding How to Contrib Track https://review.openstack.org/461859 | 18:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Done :) | 18:01 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: tnx | 18:03 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Looks good. | 18:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks ildikov and jungleboyj :) | 18:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Hopefully its all good to go now. | 18:04 |
| jungleboyj | I am sure we won't find anything else wrong before Saturday. ;-) | 18:05 |
| diablo_rojo | We should probably say that we aren't taking changes after Thursday night. | 18:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Or there are no guarantees that it will make it if you push it after Thursday. | 18:06 |
| jungleboyj | Makes sense. | 18:07 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 18:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Adding How to Contrib Track https://review.openstack.org/461859 | 18:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Governance - AUC and election activies https://review.openstack.org/461902 | 20:37 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, diablo_rojo : I am not still sure and the ^ might contain awkward English.. would you see it? | 20:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] refines Documentation section https://review.openstack.org/461908 | 21:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Y. Choi proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] Refines Documentation section https://review.openstack.org/461908 | 21:43 |
| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, looking now :) | 21:53 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks a lot! | 22:01 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, I think you can add more because you have been election officials :) | 22:02 |
| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, why would that help if this is all about docs? | 22:14 |
| * diablo_rojo might be missing something | 22:14 | |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, I meant the review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461902/ - some part with election | 22:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh ha haha | 22:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I was looking at a different review of yours lol | 22:16 |
| diablo_rojo | My bad | 22:16 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, I recently uploaded two different reviews - might be confused :) | 22:16 |
| ianychoi | Fine:) | 22:16 |
| ianychoi | haha | 22:16 |
| diablo_rojo | I will look at that one next | 22:16 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot! | 22:16 |
| diablo_rojo | No problem :) | 22:16 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: we will have a UC and WG's session | 22:17 |
| ildikov | just got Edgar confirmed to co-present with me | 22:17 |
| ildikov | I will comment on the review too when I get there, I just quickly ran through it and I have to run now | 22:18 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, good - I was worried that there were UC slides | 22:22 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: there are, but not in .rst format | 22:23 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I will convert them after the training for the next occasion | 22:23 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, aha.. I see | 22:23 |
| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, some comments on both patches, overall changes look good :) Let me know if you have any questions about things I said :) | 22:24 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: sorry, it took me longer to confirm this one than expecte | 22:24 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, thanks a lot! | 22:24 |
| ildikov | d | 22:24 |
| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, no problem :) | 22:24 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, fine :) Please see the review later. | 22:24 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: will do, thanks | 22:24 |
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| jungleboyj | ianychoi: I threw in a few comments. | 23:01 |
| ianychoi | jungleboyj, thanks! I might see after sleeping and waking up :) | 23:13 |
| jungleboyj | ianychoi: Sounds good. Sleep well. :-) | 23:14 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: I give up, I have been googling around for a while with no luck. Is there a way to have text and an image on a page? | 23:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] fix missing line and describe voting/non-voting https://review.openstack.org/461929 | 23:39 |
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