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| ildikov | gmann: ianychoi: hi, are you around? | 10:57 |
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| ianychoi | ildikov, hi! | 11:24 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: hi :) | 11:25 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: just wanted to ask you to quickly check a Doodle poll for me | 11:25 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: https://doodle.com/poll/dmyrf72wfnrp7e5m | 11:25 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: the question is the time slots in it, it should start with 5am, which meant to be UTC | 11:26 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, thanks a lot! I have answered :) | 11:30 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: so the time slots look like what I described above? | 11:32 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: if yes I will send out a mail to the ML's too, just wanted to confirm with someone who's in a completely other time zone :) | 11:32 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I don't trust Doodle, at least when I set up the poll :) | 11:32 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, haha if you have time let's wait for a little bit more. More feedback is nice! | 11:38 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, but i see meeting minutes :) I don't object to uploading kmARC 's scripts on training-guides but I thought that the communication with asettle is needed :) Currently, running DevStack in openstack-infra is not easy. That would be another obstacle.. | 11:44 |
| asettle | o/ | 11:44 |
| asettle | hello yes hi | 11:44 |
| * asettle stumbles in | 11:44 | |
| ianychoi | asettle, hello - sorry for calling u | 11:47 |
| asettle | Not at all, what's up? :) | 11:47 |
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| ianychoi | asettle, would u explain some background of the difference between training-guides and training-labs ? | 11:51 |
| asettle | Well, 'upstream training' is the guides, so, this stuff: https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ | 11:52 |
| asettle | They are resources for hte upstream training program | 11:52 |
| ianychoi | Originally training-labs scripts were in training-guides but the scripts are now separated | 11:52 |
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| asettle | And training labs: https://docs.openstack.org/training_labs/ Tools for OpenStack Training. Automatic deployment of lean virtualized multi-node openstack cluster. | 11:52 |
| ianychoi | asettle, then scripts for upstream institutes -> would it be fine to store in training-guides? | 11:53 |
| asettle | Maintained by two separate groups. Labs are looked after by Pranav Salunke and Roger Luethi | 11:53 |
| asettle | ianychoi: yep, I imagine so | 11:53 |
| asettle | I would contact Matjaz Pancur to talk about that. | 11:53 |
| asettle | Upstream Institute is more or less the upstream training materials now, I'm thinking you should all talk about merging the projects. | 11:54 |
| ianychoi | asettle, I am also okay but i am a little bit worried if some docs team members object to this direction | 11:54 |
| asettle | ianychoi: why would they object to this direction? | 11:55 |
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| asettle | The docs team members do not look after the training-guides other than Matjaz | 11:55 |
| asettle | Hence, speak to Matjaz :) | 11:55 |
| asettle | To be honest, we are attempting to spread the work out as much as possible, as you may have seen from my emails to the doc and dev MLs | 11:55 |
| asettle | But this move would make the most sense to me. | 11:56 |
| ianychoi | asettle, I see +1000 :) | 11:57 |
| asettle | :D | 11:57 |
| gmann | ildikov: hi | 12:56 |
| ildikov | gmann: hi :) | 12:56 |
| ildikov | gmann: I pinged you about a Doodle poll, namely this one: https://doodle.com/poll/dmyrf72wfnrp7e5m | 12:57 |
| gmann | ildikov: thanks. ll do. | 12:57 |
| ildikov | gmann: wanted to ensure you see the same time slots I specified as sometimes I mess up the time zone settings in Doodle... | 12:57 |
| gmann | ildikov: :) sure | 12:58 |
| ildikov | gmann: so the intention was to have slots there in UTC, so the first there should be 0500 UTC - 0600 UTC | 12:58 |
| ildikov | gmann: if it's not what you see then I messed up and it converted them to your time zone, please let me know if that happened :) | 12:59 |
| gmann | ildikov: sure, ll check after nova meeting | 12:59 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: asettle: sorry, got a call | 12:59 |
| asettle | No worries | 12:59 |
| ildikov | gmann: cool, tnx :) | 12:59 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: asettle: so we talked about those files with Matjaz earlier, he's fine with the training guides repo | 13:00 |
| kmARC | ildikov if I got it correctly the doodle is about a _general_ timeslot not specific to the next week right | 13:00 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: asettle: kmARC has concerns regarding the purpose of the training-guides repo vs storing source files/scripts in it | 13:00 |
| asettle | ildikov: what was the concern? | 13:00 |
| ildikov | kmARC: yes, it's a general one | 13:00 |
| kmARC | okay thanks. | 13:01 |
| asettle | Thanks for chatting to Matjaz :) | 13:01 |
| ildikov | kmARC: it's just more complicated to set that up in Doodle especially now that they're switching to a new GUI :/ | 13:01 |
| ildikov | kmARC: my bad :) | 13:01 |
| ildikov | asettle: that training guides is web page and slide content | 13:01 |
| kmARC | ildikov: no problem on my side. Just let others know too :-) | 13:02 |
| ildikov | asettle: so if you think of the repo you don't think of anything executable so to say | 13:02 |
| asettle | ildikov: it is indeed. But that doesn't meant we can't expand that scope :) | 13:02 |
| asettle | True, but we can expand if the team is interested. I'd rather re-use what we have and is relevant, than continue to create and leave things behind. | 13:02 |
| ildikov | kmARC: I will send out a mail just wanted to get confirmation from someone not in my time zone that I didn't mess up the time slots like last time before doing so... :D | 13:03 |
| ildikov | asettle: I'm with you, kmARC raised the concern on our meeting on Monday | 13:03 |
| kmARC | Ah okay. No worries I always feel like a retard that 1) cannot remember what time differences are between certain time zones I already visited 2) cannot do basic grammarschool arithmetic for calculating UTC-Zurich time -.- | 13:04 |
| asettle | kmARC: you and me both | 13:04 |
| ildikov | asettle: I'm not opposed to having a new repo with a clean purpose either to be honest, but if we find enough connection points to the training-guides repo, I would just reuse that too | 13:04 |
| asettle | ildikov: totally understandable concern, but I think we can make it work :) | 13:04 |
| asettle | Well, let's take it to the ML and see what others think? I'm happy to merge the two. I think that would be my first choice. Of course, not adverse to creating something new either. | 13:05 |
| ildikov | asettle: you mean training-guides and training-labs as for merging? | 13:05 |
| ildikov | asettle: as I think training-labs have the purpose of teaching people how to deploy OpenStack, so it's more from a user than contributor perspective | 13:07 |
| ildikov | asettle: that's what we found when we last investigated where to put our files and figured that our training efforts are not a match to what they do | 13:07 |
| asettle | Ah, I was thinking of merging training-guides and your material | 13:08 |
| asettle | Not training-labs | 13:08 |
| ildikov | asettle: oh, ok | 13:08 |
| asettle | Although I am starting to think we need one umbrella 'OpenStack training' repo, and within that have the labs, guides, and your material | 13:08 |
| asettle | Otherwise it's confusing | 13:08 |
| ildikov | asettle: wasn't sure when I read back the chats I missed earlier here | 13:08 |
| asettle | You use the training-guides, yes? | 13:08 |
| ildikov | asettle: the contribution training does | 13:09 |
| ildikov | asettle: it might make sense having some separation between teaching how to contribute to OpenStack and how to deploy and use it though | 13:10 |
| kmARC | ildikov: what's the reason we only consider UTC 5:00AM - 11:00AM? | 13:11 |
| ildikov | kmARC: we are looking for an alternating slot that's doable for Europe and Asia in addition to the one we have | 13:12 |
| kmARC | Ah okay, makes sense. That's what we agreed on the meeting, now I remember | 13:12 |
| asettle | Hmm that's a good point ildikov | 13:12 |
| ildikov | asettle: so I wouldn't do an umbrella one, but I think our source files could live under the training-guides repo | 13:13 |
| ildikov | kmARC: yep :) | 13:13 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: You are just looking for the EMEA members to fill out your doodle poll? | 14:13 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: not necessarily, if you wish to get up that early :) | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | :-) I am such a morning person ... not. | 14:14 |
| jungleboyj | I will let you guys work it out and figure out if I can make it. :-) | 14:15 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: sorry, there's not chance to find anything that will work for everyone :( | 14:16 |
| jungleboyj | It is ok. We are a very international team. Makes it challenging. | 14:18 |
| ildikov | yep :( :) | 14:19 |
| ianychoi | jungleboyj, question: what is your preferred timezone? 9am-6pm in Texas? ildikov: I am pretty fine to also consider US time zones :) | 14:27 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: we will keep the 2000 UTC slot as one | 14:28 |
| jungleboyj | ianychoi: Yes, I am in the Central time zone. | 14:28 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that current time slot works well for me. | 14:28 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: we are looking for an alternating slot, so we can have 2000 UTC on Monday one week and another slot for the other week | 14:28 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: and the other slot would be more Europe and Asia friendly | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, jungleboyj: I am still fine:) Actually 2000 UTC is 5 AM in my area - For 2100 UTC, I can attend from 2130 UTC - That's what I attended to Docs team meetings previouslly. For me, by 1600-1700 UTC would be unually fine - great! | 14:30 |
| ianychoi | (I try to awake all the time as much as possible but 3am-6am in my time zone is too diffidult unfortunately T.T) | 14:31 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: thanks for offering, but we just cannot expect everyone who's not in the US to give up on sleeping :) | 14:32 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: 2000 UTC in my time zone is already 10pm... | 14:32 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, I truly understand :) OMG T.T Don't worry about it too much - I usually see eavesdrop.o.o :) | 14:33 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: so we're going to experiment with alternating slots, we have enough people I think in Europe and Asia to be successful with that | 14:33 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, +1 :) Thanks a lot for considering alternative time slots! | 14:34 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: np :) | 14:34 |
| ianychoi | :) | 14:35 |
| jungleboyj | Nice that we have enough people involved that it is a challenge. :-) | 14:36 |
| * jungleboyj is thinking positive. | 14:36 | |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: +1 :) | 14:38 |
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| ianychoi | +1 :) | 15:44 |
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| spotz | +1 on the late side!:) | 23:13 |
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