Wednesday, 2014-10-01

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flaper87WHAT'S SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP?06:35
flaper87yeah yeah, I know you're all sleeping06:35
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/zaqar-specs: Update spec theme to show incubation status  https://review.openstack.org/11631406:44
flaper87echevemaster: hey hey06:53
flaper87:)06:53
echevemasterflaper87: como estas?06:54
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add a pool_group to pools in v1.1  https://review.openstack.org/12407908:21
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Don't skip pools' functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/12378008:21
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Accept existing conf in dynamic_conf  https://review.openstack.org/12372108:21
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add first reliability enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/12375008:21
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add a pool_group to pools in v1.1  https://review.openstack.org/12407908:25
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Don't skip pools' functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/12378008:25
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add first reliability enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/12375008:25
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add a pool_group to pools in v1.1  https://review.openstack.org/12407908:34
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add first reliability enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/12375008:34
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vkmcmorning :)11:36
flaper87vkmc: goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning11:39
flaper87:D11:39
vkmcflaper87, hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!11:40
flaper87vkmc: how are you doing?11:41
flaper87thanks for the reviews, I addressed your comments11:41
vkmcflaper87, fine, kinda sleepy, and you?11:41
vkmcnp, I'm checking those :)11:41
flaper87vkmc: I'm doing great, I just had lunch11:41
flaper87w0000t11:41
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vkmcflaper87, could you update the ideas for Zaqar in the OPW wiki?12:29
flaper87vkmc: ah yeah yeah, I wanted to do that this morning and forgot12:29
flaper87gimmi 10 mins and I'll do it12:29
vkmcno problem kiddo12:30
* flaper87 eats gummy bears like a kiddo and makes weird noises12:32
flaper87... like a kiddo12:32
vkmcaahaha12:33
vkmcand tidy your micromachines!12:34
vkmcoh my, that show how old I am :x12:34
flaper87vkmc: you can't be older than me12:41
vkmcflaper87, you don't know that12:41
* flaper87 makes guesses12:41
vkmcbut no, I'm younger12:42
vkmc:D12:42
* flaper87 jumps into the open web to find that out12:42
vkmcI'm 25 :)12:42
vkmcnot so far though12:42
* flaper87 is 5712:43
flaper8787 is fake12:43
flaper87I change my nick every 10 years12:43
vkmchahaha12:43
vkmcthat would explain your lack of sleep12:44
flaper87LOL12:44
flaper87ok, I'm ready to update the OPW wiki12:46
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add a pool_group to pools in v1.1  https://review.openstack.org/12407913:21
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add first reliability enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/12375013:21
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/zaqar: Accept existing conf in dynamic_conf  https://review.openstack.org/12372113:44
flaper87kgriffs: vkmc malini1 hey guys/girls :D could you take a look at these 2 patches? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124079/513:48
flaper87(that one and the one it depends on)13:48
vkmcsure thing flaper8713:48
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kgriffshey flaper87?13:57
kgriffslooking13:59
kgriffsbtw, does anyone else find it ironic we are talking about a swift driver although swift has cited message queuing as something they wish people would stop using them for? :p14:00
flaper87kgriffs: LOL, really?14:01
flaper87notmyname: ^14:01
flaper87?14:01
flaper87:D14:01
notmyname:-)14:01
flaper87notmyname said we'll discuss this at the summit14:01
kgriffskk14:02
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notmynameflaper87: ya, something we need to talk about at the summit. basically, swift doesn't do terribly well when end-users use swift containers as a queue. however, it may be possible to make it more efficient since zaqar isn't quite an end-user14:04
notmynamenot sure yet14:04
notmynameneed to talk in person, and with more swift devs :-)14:04
flaper87notmyname: +1, sounds like a good POD discussion to have14:06
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/zaqar: Don't skip pools' functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/12378014:30
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flaper87vkmc: kgriffs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124079/ :D :D :D :D14:40
* flaper87 needs to understand why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123750/ is failing14:40
kgriffsflaper87: I've started reviewing... may have some questions in a moment14:41
kgriffsbrb14:41
flaper87coooool14:42
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Fix coverage testing  https://review.openstack.org/12536514:44
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kgriffsflaper87:15:32
kgriffslooking at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124079/5/tests/unit/queues/storage/test_pool_catalog.py15:32
flaper87yup15:32
kgriffsis there a test that checks whether something ends up in that group or not?15:33
flaper87mmh, not sure what you mean15:33
kgriffsi mean, when a queue is created, we ought to have some tests to see what group it ends up in15:33
flaper87:/15:33
kgriffsnot sure if that makes sense15:34
kgriffsL5615:34
flaper87mmh, you mean pool? I mean, when a pool is created it ends up in a group15:34
kgriffsthat creates a pool without a group15:34
flaper87the queues always end up in a pool15:34
flaper87and the default pool is None15:34
flaper87so, there can be pools without group15:34
kgriffsok, so L56 has a "none" group15:34
kgriffsis that right?15:35
flaper87correct15:35
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kgriffsok, so it looks like in 1.1 specifying the group is optional?15:43
kgriffs(when creating a pool)15:43
kgriffsflaper87: remind me; when I create a queue and I don't specify the flavor, what happens?15:46
flaper87if pools are enabled, it'll get a pool filtering by those without group (a.k.a global pools)15:47
flaper87group=None basically means a global pool15:47
flaper87None is like the default group15:47
kgriffswould an operator want to have it go to a default group instead of a global group?15:47
kgriffsI mean, i may not want a "catch all" group, but a default group that does have a name15:48
flaper87I thought about it but I prefered to keep it simple in this first round. As in, why would the operator need a different default group that is not the global one?15:48
flaper87it'd be like having a way to specify what the default secion in a .conf file is15:48
kgriffswell, I don't want want to have to maintain two groups - two clusters of servers - one for people who don't specify their group and one for people who do15:49
flaper87wait, just the operator can create pools15:49
kgriffsyes, but what happens when an app creates a queue and doesn't specify a flavor15:50
flaper87and flavors are optional. You would use flavors for specific queues15:50
flaper87it goes to the default group15:50
flaper87which is None15:50
kgriffsso that is what I am saying15:50
kgriffsI may want as an operator to say15:51
kgriffsif you create a queue without telling me a flavor, go to this pool group15:51
flaper87why can't that group be the global one?15:51
flaper87you can just have 1 default group15:51
flaper87why can't it just be `None`?15:51
flaper87the only difference would be the name15:52
kgriffsconsider this15:52
kgriffssay I stand up some swift clusters15:52
kgriffsI know it doesn't work quite llike this, but bear with me15:53
kgriffssuppose I create a container15:53
kgriffsand swift says, if you don't tell me what region, I'm going to put it in the "None" region15:53
kgriffsbut if you do, I'll put it in the one you say (west1, west2, east1, east2, etc.)15:53
kgriffsnow I have to stand up an extra deployment for "None"15:54
kgriffswhen what I really want is to say "None" is actually, say, "west1" or it is the default you told me for your account.15:54
kgriffsdoes that make sense?15:55
flaper87it does but it's just a name, really. For example, nothing prevents the operator to register a pool in 2 groups. You can have a pool in group None and then create it in west1 again.15:55
kgriffsok, that was the piece I was missing15:56
flaper87pools have a unique index in the name but not the URL15:56
kgriffsthat will important to document!15:56
flaper87kgriffs: agreed15:56
flaper87btw, I'm not saying we shouldn't consider doing what you said but I ran into thoughts like:15:56
flaper87- Where should I put this config option?15:56
flaper87- What happens if I want to change it? I'll have to restart all services15:57
flaper87- What would be a good way to know what the default group is without reading the conf?15:57
flaper87etc15:57
kgriffswell, perhaps it is a default per account15:57
flaper87all that scared the hell out of me15:57
flaper87:P15:57
kgriffssorry, per project ID15:57
kgriffsyes, it adds complexity, but I think we may need to do it at some point15:58
flaper87that's a more interesting use-case15:58
flaper87I guess we'll need a conf model15:58
kgriffsright15:58
* flaper87 can't believe he just used that word15:58
kgriffsIt is beyond the scope of your current patch, but perhaps warrants a blueprint or at least something to discuss more at the summit15:59
kgriffs(if you'd like to add it to your "agenda")15:59
flaper87yup yup, definitely an interesting use case that I think we should discuss15:59
kgriffsok16:00
kgriffsI've got a meeting now, but after that I'll finish reviewing the patch. looks good so far!16:00
flaper87awesome16:00
flaper87enjoy16:01
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flaper87echevemaster: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=114744916:03
echevemasterflaper87: great :)16:04
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vkmckgriffs, hi :) do you know when we should cut RC1?20:10
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kgriffsvkmc: hi! according to the release schedule, I believe RCs can be cut up to the 9th20:49
kgriffshttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule20:49
kgriffsI think we may want to cut one before then and so some manual smoke testing20:50
kgriffsflaper87|afk: ^^^20:50
vkmckewl20:54
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