Friday, 2014-10-03

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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/zaqar: Open Kilo development  https://review.openstack.org/12568100:06
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/12588406:13
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add first reliability enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/12375006:55
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Move the module reference to the top  https://review.openstack.org/12591809:46
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Document mongodb's driver deployments  https://review.openstack.org/12593811:37
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flaper87vkmc: did you solve the issue you had?11:45
vkmcflaper87, which issue?11:45
flaper87vkmc: gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning11:45
flaper87:)11:46
flaper87the read_preferences one11:46
vkmcflaper87, morning Fla :)11:46
* vkmc tries to remember 11:46
vkmcoh11:46
vkmclemme run it again, I throwed the VM away and left downloading things during the night hehe11:47
vkmchope it works, I need keystone to try the rally scenario11:49
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Document mongodb's driver deployments  https://review.openstack.org/12593812:35
flaper87vkmc: how's the rally thing going?12:36
vkmcflaper87, I need keystone to test if the basic producer consumer is working12:39
vkmcI hope I can get it done by today12:39
vkmcalso, rally folks added a gate for zaqar :)12:43
vkmccannot find the review link12:43
flaper87awesome12:44
flaper87that sounds good12:44
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar: Add first reliability enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/12375012:46
flaper87vkmc: also, whenever you've time ^ I fixed tests12:46
flaper87I'd like to get that in for rc212:46
vkmcsure12:46
vkmcthanks for that12:46
flaper87so far we've got 2 sessions for the design summit: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-zaqar-summit-topics13:06
flaper87anyone interested in driving another one?13:06
flaper87I've moved the other sessions to POD discussions13:06
flaper87since they're more a brainstorm rather than actual proposals13:06
flaper87kgriffs|afk: malini ^13:06
flaper87vkmc: ^13:06
vkmcflaper87, DevStack just finished, still hitting the same error13:11
flaper87vkmc: could it be pymongo's version?13:11
flaper87what version is installed?13:11
flaper87brb, sorry13:11
vkmcversion 2.113:12
vkmcnp13:12
vkmcpymongo>=2.5 in test-requirements13:12
vkmclet me update tht13:12
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vkmcsuccess13:26
vkmc:D13:26
vkmchow did you guessed that?13:26
* vkmc curious about how flaper87's brain works13:26
flaper87back13:32
flaper87vkmc: what OS is running on that vm?13:36
vkmcubuntu 12.0413:40
vkmclts13:40
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flaper87ah, mmh. good thing we moved to trusty13:45
flaper87:P13:45
flaper87I was starting to worry13:45
* flaper87 is trying to figure out how to pass flavor's capabilities to the storage driver13:48
flaper87also, we need to standardize those capabilities13:48
flaper87do we?13:48
flaper87damn13:48
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flaper87so, I think I've figured out how to do that14:14
vkmcflaper87, o/ congrats14:17
flaper87vkmc: thnx14:18
vkmc:D :D :D :D :D :D14:18
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/zaqar-specs: Make FIFO guarantee optional  https://review.openstack.org/12598614:43
flaper87ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo silent in here14:45
flaper87I guess I'll just have to ask for reviews14:45
flaper87vkmc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123750/14:45
flaper87:D14:45
* vkmc asks for gummybears14:47
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malini1BOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!14:48
malini1is that loud enough?14:48
* malini1 wish I could pop a paper bag near flaper87 :-P14:48
flaper87lol14:49
flaper87malini1: I've heard +2's make more noise https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123750/ ;)14:49
flaper87:D14:49
malini1let me chk if tht can be loud enough14:49
malini1flaper87: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123750/ will this need changes in devstack mongo?14:51
flaper87malini1: likely, yes. We'll have to set unreliable to True or configure a repl-set15:01
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flaper87I'm still not sure which one we should go with15:01
flaper87configuring a repl-set sounds like the right thing to do but it makes devstack more complex15:02
malini1it would be better to do the replica set possible..15:02
flaper87malini1: yeah15:02
flaper87I need to play with that15:02
malini1I can already hear questions abt if we are testing that at the gate :D15:02
flaper87yeah, and setting `unreliable` in devstack will raise worse questions15:02
kgriffsanother thing to consider if we set up rally gate for the mongo driver, write concern will affect the numbers, so to get more "real world" numbers having a repl would help15:04
flaper87kgriffs: good point, I'll work on it right away15:05
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/zaqar: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/12588415:16
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/zaqar: Fix coverage testing  https://review.openstack.org/12536515:17
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flaper87kgriffs: does this patch looks ok now? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123750/16:41
flaper87I addressed your comments16:41
kgriffsI'll take a look in a bit. Been trying to catch up on some Falcon stuff.16:42
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/zaqar: Add first reliability enforcement  https://review.openstack.org/12375017:36
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kgriffsmalini: ping19:19
malini1kgriffs: heyy!19:21
kgriffshi!19:21
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kgriffshow are you doing today?19:21
malini1good!  how are you?19:22
kgriffsI'm OK. Looking forward to the weekend though.19:22
kgriffs:)19:22
malini1of course..I thought tht was obvious :D19:22
kgriffsheh, I suppose so.19:22
kgriffsmalini: I just learned that a team in the Austin office is using Locust, and another team is thinking of migrating from JMeter to Gatling19:23
kgriffsinteresting tools19:23
malini1I heard some of that too19:24
malini1jorge in atl looked a bit at Locust as well19:24
kgriffsI was just thinking that zaqar-bench could be reimplemented in Locust without too much work19:24
kgriffs(after looking at locust today for a little bit - wasn't aware of it before)19:24
malini1what advantage will it give us?19:25
kgriffsthe two main ones I see is it does distributed load testing already, so we wouldn't have to implement that in zaqar-bench19:26
kgriffssecond is a pretty UI with graphs19:26
kgriffsin fact, you can watch the results in real time19:26
kgriffssee also19:27
kgriffshttp://locust.readthedocs.org/en/latest/what-is-locust.html19:27
malini1we can try out locust..jorge had nice things abt locust19:30
malini1will we run into issues adding into requirements?19:30
kgriffsgtk. honestly, I just barely started looking at it so would be good to hear from people who have kicked the tires19:30
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malini1jchai:  thanks for joining !!19:32
kgriffsmalini: hmm. good question. We may have to just include the locust tasks and in the docs say you have to run "pip install locustio"19:32
malini1kgriffs was considering using Locust for zaqar-bench19:32
malini1thought you might have something to share from ur experience19:33
malini1jchai:19:33
jchaimalini1: yeah, sure.19:33
kgriffsjchai: what were your general impressions of locust?19:36
jchaikgriffs: relatively easy to setup and use. The performance data obtained is somewhat basic, but still very helpful19:36
jchaiWhen it comes to the load it can generate, it is lower than something like Tsung19:37
kgriffsdo you have a sample of the kind of data it reports?19:37
jchaiI have always started/stop my testing using the web UI. Haven't looked into how to control everything from the terminal19:38
jchaiIt's essentially the UI screenshot you can find in their site19:38
* kgriffs goes looking19:39
kgriffscan you get percentiles?19:40
kgriffsi see19:40
kgriffsmedian, avg, min, max19:40
kgriffswhat about standard deviation?19:40
jchaiyep. std dev, not as far as I know.19:40
malini1gtg now..have a good weekend!19:41
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kgriffsmalini: you too!19:42
kgriffsjchai: did you look at gatling as well?19:42
kgriffsI just heard about that today as well19:42
kgriffshttp://gatling.io/docs/2.0.0-RC6/general/reports.html19:42
jchaikgriffs: nope. had never heard of it19:42
jchaikgriffs: gatling looks fairly interesting. I'll have to look into it.19:45
kgriffsyeah19:45
kgriffshmm19:45
kgriffsI bet it wouldn't be too hard to do a PR to the locust guys to add a few more metrics19:45
kgriffsI like that it is just python code19:45
jchaiOne of the reasons I had used Locust before was python. Since it was python, it allowed me to reuse client side functions written for api tests and quickly create load tests19:46
kgriffsyeah19:46
kgriffslooks like gatling is scala but has a DSL as well as a request recorder19:46
kgriffsbut at the end of the day, just plain python may be easier to maintain19:47
kgriffsjchai: thanks for sharing your thoughts. Let me know if you learn anything more about locust or gatling. :)19:50
kgriffsinteresting19:51
kgriffshttps://github.com/locustio/locust/issues/14019:51
kgriffsdidn't find an issue for standard deviation19:52
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exploreshaifaliflaper87, hello I want to work on project Zaqar: Split data/control planes as opw intern20:23
exploreshaifaliflaper87, so please can u elaborate more on same20:23
flaper87exploreshaifali: AWESOME!20:24
exploreshaifaliflaper87, :)20:24
exploreshaifaliflaper87, so zaqar database in structured or it is NoSQL20:24
flaper87exploreshaifali: before we dig into that, let me tell you that there's another applicant also targeting that task but don't be scare, in this channel we're good at coming up with things to do20:24
flaper87(which doesn't mean we get them done)20:24
flaper87that said, exploreshaifali what questions do you have?20:25
exploreshaifaliflaper87, first let me introduce myself20:25
exploreshaifaliflaper87, I am enthusiastic computer science student in last second year20:26
exploreshaifaliflaper87, and in the process of submitting a bug for horizon20:26
flaper87exploreshaifali: you mean a fix for a bug :P20:27
exploreshaifaliflaper87, so question is the database is Structured or NoSQLlike Mongodb20:27
exploreshaifalioops, yes20:27
vkmcexploreshaifali, oh I you have told me you were interested in Zaqar I would look a bug here instead Horizon20:27
exploreshaifalivkmc, doesn't matter, I didn't find any project for Horizon in the ideas page20:28
exploreshaifalivkmc, and I can try to fix bugs for zaqar too :P20:29
vkmcexploreshaifali, of course, I just want to help you to get a fix merged for your first contribution20:29
flaper87exploreshaifali: so, where are you based?20:30
exploreshaifali)20:30
exploreshaifaliflaper87, I am from India, utc+5:3020:30
flaper87exploreshaifali: coooooooool20:30
exploreshaifaliflaper87, the project project is to separate two databases, that zaqar uses right20:31
exploreshaifaliflaper87, such a big coooooooool :)20:31
flaper87exploreshaifali: so, let me explain ( vkmc or you want to? )20:32
vkmcflaper87, the floor is yours :)20:32
flaper87ok so, so, so, SOS, SOS OMG, SOS!20:34
* flaper87 hides20:34
* flaper87 is scared20:34
flaper87ok, back to normal20:34
flaper87Zaqar is like an onion20:34
flaper87it stinks20:34
flaper87ok, ignore that20:34
mpanettaBut, I like onions :(20:35
flaper87mpanetta: that doesn't mean opnions don't stink20:35
flaper87:P20:35
exploreshaifaliI too like onions :)20:35
flaper87ok ok ok ok20:35
* flaper87 finds another metaphor20:35
mpanettaAnd garlic too, so don't even go there :P20:36
flaper87gosh, you are killing me20:36
flaper87Zaqar is like a bed of someone living in the north-pole20:36
flaper87it has *many* layers on top20:36
flaper87does that work?20:36
mpanettaSure20:36
flaper87ok, cool20:36
exploreshaifaliyes20:36
flaper87it has the transport layer, and the storage layer20:36
flaper87the storage layer has also 2 different layers20:36
flaper87or planes if you will20:37
flaper871 that is used to *control* things20:37
flaper87control meaning things that *operators* can do20:37
flaper87and the information handled by this plane is used purely for administrative/oraganizational purposes20:37
flaper87and then there's the data lpane20:37
flaper87which contains the actual data traveling through zaqar20:38
flaper87currently, the control plane and the data plane are kinda mixed together20:38
exploreshaifalitransport layer and storage layer work parallelly, they are not on top of each other?20:38
flaper87there's just 1 db config for both - there should actually be 2 - and the dependencies are kinda messed up20:38
flaper87meaning that some controllers depend on controllers they shouldn't depend on20:38
flaper87exploreshaifali: transport is on top of the storage layer20:39
flaper87but lets forget the transport for now20:39
exploreshaifaliok20:39
flaper87so, the task is to separate the control plane and the data plane20:39
flaper87it's not rocket science but it requires some thinking as to how organize code20:39
flaper87and make the API more consistent20:39
flaper87without breaking backwards compatibility20:39
flaper87or killin pinguins that live in the south pole while chaning something in the north pole20:40
flaper87killing*20:40
exploreshaifaliokay, so from where I can have over view of both these storage planes?20:41
exploreshaifalilike what they include20:41
flaper87exploreshaifali: https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/tree/master/zaqar/queues/storage20:42
flaper87I'd recommend checking mongodb's driver20:42
exploreshaifalicoz, there will be few things that ll b needed by both, and we have to separate them with no redundency20:42
exploreshaifalicorrect?20:42
flaper87exploreshaifali: yup, pretty much that20:43
vkmcflaper87, don't you dare to kill my penguins20:43
flaper87vkmc: I would never, exploreshaifali will if she breaks this stuff20:43
* flaper87 pictures vkmc brushing penguins in a very cold winder20:43
flaper87winter20:43
exploreshaifalino I won't vkmc20:44
vkmchaha20:44
exploreshaifalidon't worry :P20:44
flaper87lol, that would be so fun20:44
flaper87vkmc walking down a park with a penguin20:44
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* flaper87 STFU20:44
flaper87exploreshaifali: btw, this channel is *CRAZY*20:44
flaper87so, don't be scared, speak up and join the dark side20:45
vkmcflaper87, last time I visited penguins I almost bring one with me20:45
flaper87WE HAVE GUMMY BEARS!20:45
exploreshaifalihaha20:45
exploreshaifalisure!!20:45
exploreshaifaliI ll fit in this channel totally as I m  crazy too20:45
exploreshaifaliflaper87, so from where should I start, I guess here first we need to make a blueprint for the project20:46
exploreshaifalilike approach to distribute the data20:46
kgriffsviva le crazy people!20:46
mpanettakgriffs: +120:46
mpanettamillion20:46
flaper87exploreshaifali: I think you first need to get a patch merged20:46
flaper87http://unexpectedwanderlust.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/join-the-dark-side.gif?w=241&h=22420:46
flaper87I need that but for gummy bears ^20:46
flaper87volunteers ?20:47
vkmckgriffs esta muy loco20:47
flaper87http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/65/dd/49/65dd494ce5a790ad7f1524b7d3b1ebca.jpg20:47
flaper87or this20:47
mpanettaDon't get the haribo sugar free ones!20:47
flaper87vkmc: loco de remate20:47
mpanettaThey are a weapon!20:47
flaper87sugar free? pfffff20:47
flaper87I'd be happy to live forever in a sugar-jail20:47
mpanettaflaper87: I don't think you understand the sheer magnitude of the issue of these things P20:48
exploreshaifaliflaper87, does patch of other openstack components(like Horizon) will work20:48
flaper87exploreshaifali: yup20:49
exploreshaifaliflaper87 cool :)20:49
flaper87exploreshaifali: erm I mean, NO NO, totally NO, you need to submit 10 patches to zaqar first20:49
* flaper87 looks inocent20:49
exploreshaifalihaha20:49
mpanettaflaper87: http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Sugar-Free-Gummy-Bears/dp/B008JELLCA#customerReviews20:49
exploreshaifaliI ll do that soon :)20:49
mpanettaThese are weapons grade gummy bears!20:50
exploreshaifaliI would love to join u people20:50
exploreshaifaliamazing :P20:50
vkmcflaper87, did you try 'yummy' gummy bears?20:50
exploreshaifalibears... no20:51
flaper87mpanetta: do you know what Haribo means in sanskrit ?20:51
mpanettaflaper87: I do not20:51
flaper87mpanetta: it means, "We'll never be sugar free and we'll make you believe we are"20:51
mpanettahaha20:51
flaper87mpanetta: it also have other meanings depending on the context20:52
flaper87but you gotta learn sanskrit to understand20:52
mpanetta:P20:52
flaper87vkmc: 'yummy' gummy bears?20:52
flaper87that sounds like the ones I eat every day20:52
vkmcflaper87, haha never mind, I just researched and it's a local brand20:53
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vkmcthere is something really really wrong with DevStack21:02
vkmcI run stack.sh and it downgrades Mongo21:02
vkmcor I don't know how is that happening21:02
flaper87it downgrades mongo or pymongo ?21:03
vkmcmongo21:03
flaper87WTF ?21:03
vkmcpymongo... let me check21:03
vkmcyeah a huge WTF21:03
vkmcI had version 2.621:03
vkmcthen I run it21:03
flaper87why don't you just install trusty?21:03
flaper87:P21:03
vkmcand now I have 2.021:03
vkmcyou know, that's a good idea21:03
vkmcwho use mongo beside us in OpenStack?21:04
flaper87vkmc: ceilo21:04
vkmcCeilometer, but I don't have it activated in DevStack21:04
flaper87vkmc: it's a devstack thing21:04
flaper87it makes sure the default system one is installed, AFAIK21:05
vkmc>:|21:05
vkmcso I have been upgrading mongo thinking it was me all the time21:05
vkmcmy memory doesn't help either21:06
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flaper87please, please please contribute to: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-zaqar-summit-topics21:21
flaper87we're 1 month away21:21
flaper87if any of you is planning to lead a session please, stop wasting time and start working on it :P21:21
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vkmcflaper87, are you familiar with Glance? exploreshaifali was working on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123789/21:40
vkmcflaper87, I told her that it has to be fixed in Oslo, not in python-glanceclient21:40
vkmcbut now that I see someone else reviewed, maybe she can continue with that?21:40
flaper87*cough* https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/13,members *cough*21:40
vkmcwith more reason then21:41
vkmc:p21:41
vkmchahaha21:41
flaper87oh you said oslo? *cough* https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/106,members *cough*21:41
vkmcoh c'mon21:42
exploreshaifalivkmc, flaper87, I had a talk with dellmann, an oslo developer and he said that all code inside common dir comes from oslo-incubator and we can't modify it at all21:42
vkmcexploreshaifali, cool, so that confirms my thought21:43
exploreshaifaliso if I want to make changes in common/exceptions.py file, I have to change oslo-incubator21:43
exploreshaifalivkmc, yes21:43
vkmccool21:44
flaper87commented here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123789/321:44
vkmcI just wanted to make sure I wasn't making you stay away from it if there was a chance to fix it21:44
exploreshaifaliand also he said that, oslo-incubator code is actually modified now for all that stuff... It will come with new/updated version of glanceclient21:44
vkmcthinking on how hard you worked on that :)21:44
vkmcthanks flaper87, you rock21:44
exploreshaifalivkmc, but I got to learn things like incubators and all :)21:45
vkmcof course :)21:46
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flaper87new blog post on the works22:43
flaper87I think I ate some kind of chicken-writer or something22:44
flaper87I've blogged like 3 times in the last 2 weeks and I'm now writing a new blog post22:44
flaper87wait a minute22:44
vkmcflaper87, you are on fire22:44
* flaper87 checks if these gummy bears have sugar22:44
flaper87I've read sugar-free gummy bears might have collateral effects22:45
* flaper87 is on fire22:45
vkmchahaha22:45
flaper87vkmc: I hope you'll like this one, at the very least, I hope you'll feel related to it22:45
flaper87and no, no spoilers22:45
vkmc:o22:46
vkmcif its about distractions22:46
vkmcthen I will feel identified22:47
flaper87vkmc: look there's a Hummingbird22:49
flaper87it's flying that (->) way with a red hat22:50
* vkmc runs behind the hummingbird22:50
flaper87It has a gummy bear22:50
flaper87damn, poor bird, it just had a stroke22:51
flaper87I guess you can get back to work now22:51
flaper87ok, I'm out22:51
flaper87o/22:51
flaper87have a great weekend y'all22:52
flaper87see you tomorrow ;)22:52
flaper87yes, I know, tomorrow is saturday22:52
flaper87ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh22:52
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vkmcenjoy your weekend flaper87|afk o/22:55
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