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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/zaqar: Add email driver for notification https://review.openstack.org/202374 | 11:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/zaqar: Make False as default value for `unreliable` https://review.openstack.org/199824 | 12:03 |
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| flwang | flaper87: ping | 12:22 |
| therve | flwang, Instead of using the sendmail command, couldn't we use a smtp directly? | 12:31 |
| flwang | therve: hah | 12:32 |
| therve | I feel that specifying the smtp host would be easier for deployment | 12:32 |
| flwang | therve: that's my original proposal | 12:32 |
| therve | flwang, What changed your mind? | 12:32 |
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| flwang | therve: my plan is if can find the sendmail command or failed to send, then try to use smtp lib or something like that | 12:33 |
| flwang | or let use select which one he want to use | 12:34 |
| therve | flwang, But what's the benefit of using the sendmail command? | 12:34 |
| flwang | therve: most of the other reviewers prefer to use sendmail | 12:34 |
| therve | How many of them are there? :) | 12:34 |
| vkmc | hi guys | 12:34 |
| vkmc | there was a review exactly with the same concern therve | 12:34 |
| vkmc | :) | 12:34 |
| vkmc | and a response on that review | 12:34 |
| flwang | therve: ^ | 12:35 |
| flwang | vkmc: hi there | 12:35 |
| vkmc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202374/6/zaqar/notification/task/mailto.py,cm | 12:35 |
| vkmc | therve, ^ | 12:35 |
| flwang | therve: TBH, i don't have tendency for either way | 12:36 |
| therve | Not sure I agree with Clint on that | 12:37 |
| therve | I guess sendmail may take care of some queuing in better fashion | 12:37 |
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| therve | It depends on how your SMTP server is configured | 12:37 |
| therve | I haven't used smtplib extensively, but I haven't heard about particular issues either | 12:40 |
| vkmc | godlike, ^ | 12:40 |
| flwang | therve: i can see all your points :) | 12:40 |
| flwang | therve: so i'm going to do the proposal i mentioned above | 12:41 |
| flwang | check the sendmail command or failed to send, then try to use smtp lib or something like that | 12:41 |
| therve | flwang, I guess my argument against using sendmail is that it's a system global configuration AFAIK | 12:41 |
| therve | So if you have configured it for system emails for example, zaqar has to use that | 12:41 |
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| flwang | therve: right | 12:41 |
| therve | Which probably doesn't make sense if it goes to your users | 12:41 |
| therve | I'd be curious to hear Clint's arguments over than "SMTP is deceptively complex." | 12:42 |
| flwang | therve: or i would say, the server which zaqar service is running on should be dedicated | 12:42 |
| therve | flwang, Right, which is not a particularly great requirement | 12:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/zaqar: Policy support https://review.openstack.org/209910 | 12:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed openstack/zaqar: Support signed URLs in WebSocket https://review.openstack.org/215134 | 13:44 |
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| godlike | therve: flwang I was the one who suggested to use smtplib and connect to an smtp directly :) | 15:58 |
| godlike | actually, most things I've touched that used to send email generally have an option to connect to an SMTP server | 15:59 |
| therve | godlike, That's how it was in the original proposal | 16:00 |
| godlike | however, I kinda make a living of analyzing smtp servers problems, so my views may be biased | 16:01 |
| godlike | I thought clint made a valid point, the binary being a single point of entry. still the system would have needed to have something instaled (ssmtp, sendmail itself, postfix) that provided the binary, plus some configuration to relay the email properly | 16:03 |
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