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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/python-zaqarclient: Add support for flavor-list https://review.openstack.org/248502 | 01:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/python-zaqarclient: Add support for flavor-create https://review.openstack.org/248508 | 02:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/zaqar: Fix queue create failure when metadata is {} https://review.openstack.org/247867 | 02:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Fei Long Wang proposed openstack/python-zaqarclient: Add support for flavor_show https://review.openstack.org/248509 | 02:39 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i, good catch! | 13:38 |
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| Eva-i | vkmc: do we have a meeting in 5 minutes? | 14:55 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i, no, it's rotating, it's at 21utc today | 15:07 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: okay | 15:07 |
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| flwang | hi guys | 19:49 |
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| flwang | anybody around? | 20:44 |
| flwang | we have the weekly meeting after 15 mins, just a reminder | 20:44 |
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| flwang | anybody around? | 21:00 |
| flwang | we're in #openstack-meeting-3 | 21:00 |
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| vkmc | Eva-i, flaper87, jasondotstar, ryansb, therve, mdnadeem | 21:28 |
| vkmc | meeting! | 21:28 |
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| flwang | vkmc: do you think it's reasonable? | 22:01 |
| flwang | i mean the reserved attributes of queue | 22:01 |
| vkmc | flwang, I'm not sure wrt to the overlapping it will have with the attributes the messages have | 22:02 |
| vkmc | I mean | 22:02 |
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| vkmc | you have the following attributes | 22:03 |
| flwang | vkmc: we don't support attributes of msg for now, IIRC | 22:04 |
| vkmc | delayseconds, maximummessagesize (this one makes sense to me), messageretentionperiod (aka ttl, our messages have it), policy | 22:04 |
| flwang | you mean TTL? | 22:04 |
| vkmc | yes | 22:04 |
| flwang | ok | 22:04 |
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| flwang | yep, messages attributes will override the queue's attrs | 22:04 |
| vkmc | flwang, it makes sense though, if we want to set a default according to the queue | 22:05 |
| vkmc | if you don't specify a ttl, then it takes the ttl the queue has | 22:05 |
| flwang | vkmc: for example, when posting msg, if there is TTL, then user it, otherwise, use the queue's TTL | 22:05 |
| vkmc | and if the queue doesn't have a ttl defined, then a default is used | 22:05 |
| flwang | exactly | 22:06 |
| vkmc | +1 | 22:06 |
| vkmc | I like the idea | 22:06 |
| flwang | vkmc: with that way, we can reduce a little big traffic maybe :) | 22:06 |
| vkmc | flwang, yeah! | 22:07 |
| flwang | but that's not the key part, the key part is we can have a really flexible queue | 22:07 |
| flwang | by adding some reserved attrs | 22:08 |
| vkmc | indeed | 22:08 |
| vkmc | and have a real use for metadata | 22:08 |
| flwang | vkmc: yes, for sure | 22:09 |
| vkmc | I think is a great idea | 22:10 |
| vkmc | should we work on a spec for that? check with params make sense | 22:10 |
| flwang | vkmc: that's the idea in my mind recently, if you like it then i think it deserves a blueprinbt+spec | 22:11 |
| flwang | i'm seeing some comments from flaper87 :D | 22:11 |
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| flwang | vkmc: this is the architecture of ali yun, which is the biggest public cloud of China, see https://translate.google.co.nz/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.aliyun.com%2F1346&edit-text=&act=url | 22:13 |
| vkmc | flwang, let's see | 22:15 |
| flwang | vkmc: i have reviewed their api, very similar like the SQS, and the architecture is similar like Zaqar | 22:16 |
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| flwang | its MQS master, is like our control plane | 22:17 |
| flwang | so select the right 'pool' | 22:18 |
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| flwang | and we also need to implement 'dead letter queue', 'delay queue' and 'long poll' | 22:22 |
| flwang | and ali cloud's priority queue is also very interesting | 22:22 |
| vkmc | yeah :o | 22:24 |
| vkmc | many things tod o | 22:24 |
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| vkmc | (I'm slightly distracted, I'm doing a podcast about zaqar later today) | 22:26 |
| vkmc | in Spanish though | 22:26 |
| vkmc | :D | 22:26 |
| flwang | vkmc: ok, take your time | 22:26 |
| flwang | sounds cool :) | 22:27 |
| vkmc | :) | 22:28 |
| flwang | vkmc: yep, we have much things to do, so let's start from a blurprint :) | 22:29 |
| flwang | i will draft a blueprint for the reserved attributes target for m-2 | 22:29 |
| vkmc | sounds great | 22:31 |
| vkmc | I'll catch up with the ali yun architecture | 22:31 |
| vkmc | and ping you to discuss the other features | 22:31 |
| vkmc | maybe with some other contribs :) | 22:32 |
| flwang | awesome, thank you so much | 22:34 |
| flwang | you make my day :) | 22:34 |
| Eva-i | flwang: vkmc: hello, I didn't attend to meeting, but I read it. | 22:34 |
| flwang | Eva-i: awesome | 22:34 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: flwang: I think we can move now missing contributor content from wiki to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/zaqar/, but all other things still have to reside in wiki fow now before doc team will allocate places for hosting Zaqar docs. | 22:38 |
| vkmc | flwang++ | 22:38 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, hey hey! | 22:38 |
| vkmc | cool | 22:38 |
| vkmc | :) | 22:38 |
| vkmc | we could start working on it tomorrow, split some work | 22:38 |
| vkmc | and start changing the docs | 22:38 |
| vkmc | we can file bugs for the docs under developer/zaqar or start a new bp | 22:39 |
| vkmc | perhaps start a new bp makes more sense | 22:39 |
| flwang | vkmc: bp in zaqar? | 22:39 |
| vkmc | flwang, yes, the developer guide is in our code base | 22:40 |
| flwang | yep, i see, just confirm | 22:40 |
| vkmc | https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/tree/master/doc/source <- | 22:40 |
| vkmc | so we can keep track of changes that way | 22:40 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: so what we're gonna do in developer/zaqar? Import few things from wiki and add API ref as you wanted? | 22:42 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, and fix the bugs you mentioned in the etherpad | 22:43 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: alright | 22:43 |
| flwang | vkmc: as for the api ref | 22:43 |
| flwang | the ref we have is not the one i'm looking for | 22:43 |
| flwang | vkmc: Eva-i: i would like to see an api-ref like this http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 22:44 |
| flwang | our current api-ref is used for the zaqar developer | 22:44 |
| flwang | but we do really need the api-ref for the developer who would like to leverage zaqar in their application | 22:45 |
| flwang | i would put a higher priority for the later :) | 22:45 |
| flwang | just my 2 cents | 22:45 |
| vkmc | +1 | 22:45 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes, Zaqar will need eventually it's own page in http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 22:45 |
| vkmc | we need both | 22:45 |
| Eva-i | flwang: but also additional spec must be filled for doc team | 22:46 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yep, i see | 22:46 |
| flwang | i know we don't have much bandwidht/resource to do all the them | 22:47 |
| flwang | just think aloud in case you miss it | 22:47 |
| Eva-i | flwang: for now we can host user API ref somewhere else for example | 22:47 |
| flwang | Eva-i: define 'user API'? | 22:48 |
| Eva-i | flwang: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar/specs/api/v1.1 | 22:49 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yep, if we have the bandwidth, we can work it out and keep it in zaqar dev doc | 22:50 |
| flwang | it's ok, IMHO | 22:50 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: also zaqar dev docs currently have this: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/zaqar/#api-reference | 22:51 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yep, i didn't see the other projects keeping this kind of 'api ref' | 22:55 |
| Eva-i | flwang: personally I don't agree with vkmc and I think it's best to keep 'user API' in wiki for now untill Zaqar will get it's place in http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 22:55 |
| vkmc | I said we should have it in both places | 22:56 |
| vkmc | not remove it from the wiki | 22:56 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, ^ | 22:56 |
| vkmc | I only aimed to remove the information that is redundant and for contributors only | 22:57 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: why we need user API reference in both places? | 22:57 |
| vkmc | Eva-i, because the information under developers/zaqar is the official guide for Zaqar developers | 22:58 |
| vkmc | and it would make sense to have everything in one place, or at least a pointer | 22:58 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: it would be hard to keep in sync these things. Maybe it's better to store API reference in one place and provide a link to it from another place? | 23:00 |
| vkmc | sure, that could work | 23:00 |
| Eva-i | vkmc: okay | 23:01 |
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| Eva-i | Keystone, for example, in it's developer/keystone stores information only for contributors, not all the information contributors might need. Of course, contributors need more than that, so the second paragraph exists: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/ | 23:12 |
| flwang | lunch time, brb | 23:15 |
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| Eva-i | vkmc: flwang: thank you for warm words for me in meetings chat | 23:36 |
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