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| openstackgerrit | caoyue proposed openstack/zaqar: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/272039 | 12:08 |
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| ryansb | meeting notification: today is a 21UTC meeting day | 13:14 |
| vkmc | ryansb, thanks for the reminder | 13:20 |
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| jasondotstar | ryansb: thx | 14:59 |
| jasondotstar | my cal says 15UTC | 14:59 |
| ryansb | you should try importing the cal from eavesdrop.openstack.org | 15:00 |
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| Eva-i | jasondotstar: after the start of the year the order of meetings has shifted. | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | ack. | 15:32 |
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| AJaeger | Hi zaqar folks. Anybody around that cares about zaqar-ui? | 19:02 |
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| Eva-i | AJaeger: hello. I care, but hardly understand how zaqar-ui works =) | 19:03 |
| AJaeger | Eva-i: I'm working on enabling translations for it following this spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_setup.html | 19:04 |
| AJaeger | You had zaqar-ui setup for translations initially but it never worked, so I want to help to do it properly | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | Eva-i: I noticed that zaqar-ui is not using setup.cfg, could you convert it, please? That will help us moving forward with translations - otherwise we cannot support it | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | Eva-i: how do you want to move forward here? | 19:09 |
| Eva-i | AJaeger: thank you, I'll transmit your words to flwang - he's the main zaqar-ui developer. I think he might appear in chat in 1-3 hours. For me zaqar-ui doesn't work, maybe it's to early to implement translations - we wouldn't be able to test it. | 19:11 |
| AJaeger | Thanks for telling flwang. Feel free to ping me in #openstack-infra once you're ready | 19:13 |
| Eva-i | AJaeger: sure, I'm glad you want to help, thanks again. =) | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | thanks and bye | 19:15 |
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| flwang | hi guys, i have a meeting in 5 mins, but i'm not really sure if it can complete after 15 mins, so i maybe a little bit late to join our team meeting | 20:40 |
| flwang | but shouldn't be too late, just FYI | 20:41 |
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| flwang | meeting time | 21:00 |
| flwang | ryansb: vkmc: flaper87: therve: #openstack-meeting-3 | 21:01 |
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| ryansb | ok, what were you asking if I thought was a good idea? | 22:00 |
| flwang | vkmc: ryansb: Eva-i: therve: flaper87: my focus for Mitaka, just like i said when i ran for the PTL of zaqar, is promote zaqar from different views | 22:00 |
| flwang | we did a great job for zaqar client, which is a very critical interface for the potential user | 22:01 |
| flwang | we have started to work on the zaqar UI, which is another very important interface for our potential user | 22:01 |
| flwang | we have got the config ref merged | 22:02 |
| flwang | we fixed many bugs in client and sever sides | 22:02 |
| flwang | we integrated with ceilometer, and the integration with searchlight/horizon is in progressing | 22:02 |
| flwang | but | 22:02 |
| flwang | we still need to do something to help our user understand how to use zaqar, how they can be benefited by zaqar | 22:03 |
| flwang | IMHO, a lot of the user on openstack are still at the stage of virtualization+, not really cloud-y | 22:03 |
| flwang | that said, their application is not really distributed, cloud-based | 22:03 |
| flwang | so, i think it would be nice if we can have a sample/demo to let they know how their application can be benefited from this lovely project | 22:04 |
| flwang | ryansb: sorry for the long message | 22:05 |
| ryansb | so like a worker-farm demo project? | 22:05 |
| flwang | that's basically my idea | 22:05 |
| ryansb | I think that makes a lot of sense | 22:05 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep, but to be an eye-catching pres, i would add micro server and container :D | 22:06 |
| flwang | s/server/service | 22:06 |
| ryansb | haha,gotta have the buzzwords | 22:06 |
| ryansb | yeah, that would be a great demo | 22:06 |
| ryansb | you'd have a couple producer/consumer containers, and could show killing them off & spawning replacements | 22:07 |
| ryansb | flwang: yeah, that sounds like it would be good, you could cover subscriptions & such, but also show off the console | 22:07 |
| ryansb | so people can see "yes, this is easy to get going with" | 22:08 |
| flwang | ryansb: and we can publish the demo on github, so that audience can download them | 22:08 |
| ryansb | flwang: ++ | 22:08 |
| flwang | and we can even put the code in our samples folder | 22:08 |
| flwang | ryansb: exactly | 22:08 |
| ryansb | can you send me an email about this? I'd like to help put that together, but I need to run to a physical meeting | 22:08 |
| flwang | ryansb: sure, i will send my thought to all the team | 22:09 |
| ryansb | my work email is ryansb@redhat.com , and I'll get back to you :) | 22:09 |
| ryansb | cool | 22:09 |
| flwang | cool, ttyl | 22:09 |
| Eva-i | it might be a good idea | 22:09 |
| vkmc | \o/ sounds very cool | 22:09 |
| flwang | vkmc: therve: flaper87: Eva-i: join? | 22:09 |
| vkmc | I dunno how can I help, but sure | 22:09 |
| flwang | vkmc: that's enough :D | 22:11 |
| flwang | we have 2+ months | 22:12 |
| flwang | so we should be able make it | 22:12 |
| flwang | the basic idea is to work out a demo, so let the user know how to use zaqar, especially for the micro service/container context | 22:13 |
| flwang | see http://blog.codescrum.com/2014/12/16/Microservices_with_RabbitMQ_and_Docker/ | 22:13 |
| Eva-i | I never worked with containers, maybe I can help too. | 22:14 |
| Eva-i | *but maybe | 22:14 |
| flwang | replace RubbishMQ with Zaqar | 22:14 |
| flwang | i'm kidding, RubbitMQ is a good queue service :D | 22:14 |
| flwang | Eva-i: no problem, we do have some work for you if you want to join | 22:15 |
| flwang | http://www.michaelgallego.fr/blog/2015/03/30/micro-service-architecture-using-aws/ | 22:16 |
| Eva-i | flwang: good, so you already know which work you can delegate to me? | 22:16 |
| flwang | s/aws/openstack | 22:16 |
| flwang | s/SQS SNS/Zaqar | 22:16 |
| Eva-i | I'll read these articles | 22:16 |
| flwang | Eva-i: not really, but we can figure out | 22:17 |
| Eva-i | oki | 22:17 |
| flwang | ok, i will send out an email about this idea and propose it asap | 22:20 |
| Eva-i | I'm thinking... If I would be a serious user, the demo still would not convince me to use Zaqar, if there's no traffic encryption. | 22:22 |
| flwang | Eva-i: what did you mean? | 22:23 |
| flwang | traffic encryption? | 22:23 |
| flwang | did you mean signed URL? | 22:23 |
| flwang | signed message, imean | 22:23 |
| Eva-i | I use Zaqar and I see that traffic is exposed, no https. Maybe there's a way to hide tokens and message contents from network? | 22:24 |
| flwang | Eva-i: you can deploy zaqar + HTTPS | 22:25 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i don't really understand your concenr | 22:25 |
| Eva-i | flwang: how it's possible to deploy zaqar with https? | 22:25 |
| flwang | and i think it's not related to the demo i think | 22:25 |
| Eva-i | yes, it's not related to the demo... | 22:26 |
| Eva-i | we can talk about it later | 22:27 |
| flwang | Eva-i: see https://developer.rackspace.com/docs/cloud-queues/v1/developer-guide/#api-reference | 22:29 |
| flwang | rackspace is using zaqar, and HTTPS applied | 22:29 |
| flwang | Eva-i: TBH, i never tried to deploy zaqar + https for develop/test, since i don't think that's a problem, if it's, that's a problem for deployed/operations team ;) | 22:31 |
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| flaper87 | the HTTPS end handling is the wsgi's container responsibility | 22:32 |
| flaper87 | Zaqar has no control on that as it just ships a container app | 22:32 |
| flaper87 | so, you can use httpd/nginx/gunicorn/etc | 22:33 |
| flaper87 | That's outside Zaqar's control | 22:33 |
| Eva-i | Aha, I see | 22:33 |
| Eva-i | What about the client side, is python-zaqarclient able to work over https? | 22:34 |
| flwang | Eva-i: yep, we're using requests, it can handle https | 22:36 |
| flwang | flaper87: did you see our discussion above for the pres idea for summit? | 22:37 |
| Eva-i | flwang: oh, that's nice | 22:37 |
| flaper87 | I didn't | 22:37 |
| flaper87 | tl;dr? | 22:38 |
| flwang | flaper87: the basic idea is to work out a demo, so let the user know how to use zaqar, especially for the micro service/container context | 22:38 |
| flwang | so we can demo it as a pres on summit and we can even keep it as an example in our repo | 22:39 |
| flwang | flaper87: does that make any sense for you? | 22:40 |
| flaper87 | To be honest, at this point I think Zaqar needs more than Summit demos. I think a screencast would be way more effective than that. We can share the screencast and whatnot | 22:41 |
| flaper87 | In addition, I think ppl need to see Zaqar working with other services | 22:41 |
| flaper87 | ceilo+zaqar | 22:41 |
| flaper87 | heat+zaqar | 22:41 |
| flaper87 | and well, zaqar | 22:41 |
| flaper87 | show ppl what they can do with it | 22:42 |
| flaper87 | record it, put it on youtube and spread the word | 22:42 |
| flaper87 | Summit wise, I'd focus on showing a very specific use case | 22:42 |
| flaper87 | why you used Zaqar there instead of a different messaging technology | 22:42 |
| flaper87 | etc | 22:42 |
| flwang | flaper87: so you mean a recorded video for the integration with other service | 22:44 |
| flwang | ? | 22:45 |
| flaper87 | yup | 22:45 |
| flaper87 | one for ceilo | 22:45 |
| flaper87 | one for heat | 22:45 |
| flaper87 | then one just for Zaqar | 22:45 |
| flwang | flaper87: that's a good idea | 22:45 |
| flwang | back to the summit topic | 22:45 |
| flwang | when I talking about the demo, it's definitely a special user case to show how user can use zaqar and how they can be benefit | 22:46 |
| flwang | and what do you mean the 'different messaging tech'? 'SQS' or 'RabbitMQ'? | 22:47 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: ping | 22:55 |
| Eva-i | flwang: pong | 22:56 |
| flwang | Eva-i: can you explain the comment you left in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265663/4 ? | 22:56 |
| flwang | what's the unrelated lines? | 22:56 |
| flaper87 | flwang: yeah, SQS, Microsoft Message Bus | 23:00 |
| flaper87 | RAbbitmq | 23:00 |
| flaper87 | etc | 23:00 |
| flwang | flaper87: if so, that's different level/views | 23:00 |
| flaper87 | it depends on what use case you'll talk about | 23:01 |
| flwang | flaper87: yep, i see | 23:01 |
| flaper87 | if you're talking about heat/ceilo the reasons to use Zaqar are different than the reasons you'd have when picking a cloud messaging service | 23:01 |
| Eva-i | flwang: strange, but I don't see a problem now, so I'm removing my "-1", nevermind... | 23:02 |
| flwang | flaper87: yep, exactly | 23:11 |
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| flwang | flaper87: so you think micro service + container + zaqar is too general, but if we can select a specific user scenario, it would be better, right? | 23:12 |
| flaper87 | flwang: right! | 23:13 |
| flaper87 | Lemme put it this way | 23:13 |
| flaper87 | I'm a user building an app I want to run on the cloud | 23:14 |
| flaper87 | I need this app to run on my-super-cool-provider | 23:14 |
| flaper87 | and I can choose between using zaqar or something else | 23:14 |
| flaper87 | what's the benefit I get from picking up Zaqar? | 23:14 |
| flaper87 | that kind of questions we need to answer | 23:14 |
| flaper87 | Then, there's all the cool stuff about pre-signed url | 23:14 |
| flaper87 | for example | 23:15 |
| flwang | flaper87: ok, but at this context, i think we need to compare zaqar with rabbitmq instead of SQS, agree? | 23:17 |
| flwang | since the openstack background is an important assumption | 23:17 |
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| flaper87 | no need, really. SQS/RabbitMQ/Azure | 23:26 |
| flaper87 | they all have messaging services that serve different purposes | 23:26 |
| flaper87 | Zaqar, for instance, is good a store-and-forward | 23:26 |
| flaper87 | it was built to do that | 23:26 |
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| vkmc | flaper87, YOU ARE BACK | 23:40 |
| vkmc | I was heading out but I wanted to say that | 23:40 |
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| flaper87 | :D | 23:46 |
| flaper87 | I never left | 23:46 |
| vkmc | I know | 23:47 |
| vkmc | :) | 23:47 |
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