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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: Don't return links if subscriptions are empty https://review.openstack.org/280035 | 01:35 |
| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: The subscriber should be unique in redis backend. https://review.openstack.org/279946 | 01:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: Queue NotFound should return 404 https://review.openstack.org/280106 | 08:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/zaqar: Queue NotFound should return 404 https://review.openstack.org/280106 | 09:25 |
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| ryansb | oh jeez, did I miss the meeting folks? | 15:24 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: hello. Seems like meeting hasn't started in time. | 15:30 |
| Eva-i | flwang: it's meeting time now | 15:30 |
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| Eva-i | ryansb: seems like flwang isn't here. Would you like to have meeting later today? | 15:37 |
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| Eva-i | vkmc: hello, should we attend to meeting now or wait for Fei Long? | 15:38 |
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| ryansb | I think later sounds good | 15:39 |
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| Eva-i | ryansb: me too, let's do it at 21 UTC. | 15:42 |
| ryansb | kk | 15:44 |
| ryansb | Eva-i: anything I can work on in the meantime (high-pri reviews etc)? | 15:44 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: yes, there's a review I'd like you to do | 15:46 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269398/ | 15:48 |
| ryansb | cool, can do | 15:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eva Balycheva proposed openstack/zaqar: Support binary messages over websocket https://review.openstack.org/256978 | 16:08 |
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| Eva-i | ryansb: thank you. I'd like to discuss this during the meeting: http://paste.openstack.org/show/kYFFmShi2eiouoYnUz5B/ | 16:43 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: and this, maybe: http://paste.openstack.org/show/niT4ouOOEhedv2gCEWZO/ | 16:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/zaqar: Add queue name to notifications https://review.openstack.org/275030 | 20:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/zaqar: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/278760 | 20:57 |
| ryansb | \o/ review-a-thon | 20:58 |
| flwang | meeting? | 20:59 |
| flwang | thank you guys for waiting me | 20:59 |
| flwang | and sorry i can't make the 4:00 am meeting | 20:59 |
| vkmc | flwang, o/ | 21:02 |
| flwang | halllllo, anybody around? | 21:02 |
| flwang | let's go to #openstack-meeting-3 | 21:03 |
| ryansb | hey folks | 21:07 |
| ryansb | I think there's another mtg in openstack-mmeting-3 at this time | 21:07 |
| ryansb | we should stay in here | 21:07 |
| flwang | ryansb: really? | 21:09 |
| flwang | seems no body there except us | 21:09 |
| ryansb | flwang: yeah, there was last time we inverted timezones anyways | 21:09 |
| flwang | vkmc: would you mind coming back to our channel? | 21:10 |
| vkmc | not a problem | 21:10 |
| vkmc | let's have the meeting here | 21:11 |
| flwang | ok, cool | 21:11 |
| vkmc | :) | 21:11 |
| flwang | ok, not sure if we can still use the command | 21:12 |
| flwang | for meetings | 21:12 |
| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 21:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 15 21:12:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:12 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:12 |
| flwang | oh, it works | 21:12 |
| flwang | #topic code review | 21:12 |
| flwang | we did a great a great job for zaqar client, both coding and reviewing | 21:13 |
| flwang | until now, we almost filled all the function gaps | 21:13 |
| ryansb | I guess it does, neat | 21:13 |
| flwang | ryansb: :) | 21:13 |
| Eva-i | hello | 21:14 |
| ryansb | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7145 | 21:14 |
| ryansb | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7096 | 21:14 |
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| ryansb | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7139 | 21:14 |
| ryansb | ^ all talks on zaqar for summit, for everbody's convenience | 21:15 |
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| flwang | awesome | 21:16 |
| flwang | thanks ryansb collecting those links | 21:16 |
| flwang | i even don't know 7145 | 21:16 |
| flwang | let's discuss them in next topic | 21:16 |
| ryansb | yeah, the speaker tweeted at me the other day | 21:16 |
| flwang | for zaqar server side, we do still have some patches need to be reviewed | 21:17 |
| flwang | TTL subscription issue for mongoDB https://review.openstack.org/270464 | 21:17 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: thank you | 21:17 |
| flwang | TTL subscription issue for redis https://review.openstack.org/276548 | 21:17 |
| flwang | for the redis, it's still WIP. i'm still trying to figure out a way to fix it | 21:18 |
| flwang | and this one https://review.openstack.org/265723 more attributes for queue | 21:18 |
| flwang | binary support for websocket https://review.openstack.org/256978 | 21:18 |
| flwang | BTW, you guys maybe noticed, we have 2 new contributors from Huawei | 21:19 |
| flwang | wanghao and wxy | 21:19 |
| Eva-i | flwang: redis one is hard one, I'll try to review it | 21:19 |
| Eva-i | flwang: yes | 21:19 |
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| flwang | pls give them more care :) thanks | 21:19 |
| ryansb | yup, love having new faces about | 21:20 |
| Eva-i | flwang: oki | 21:21 |
| flwang | anything else for code review topic? | 21:21 |
| Eva-i | not from me | 21:21 |
| ryansb | nope - I haven't been writing zaqar code. Bad me. | 21:22 |
| flwang | #topic zaqar UI | 21:23 |
| flwang | with the big support from horizon team, we made a great progress on zaqar UI | 21:23 |
| flwang | now with the queues panel, you can list all the queues and create queue | 21:23 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I saw it, good job | 21:24 |
| flwang | update, delete will come soon | 21:24 |
| flwang | pls try it and let me know your feedback | 21:24 |
| flwang | subscriptions panels is coming as well | 21:24 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I can only try, I can't understand the code written for Zaqar UI | 21:25 |
| flwang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/zaqar-ui | 21:25 |
| ryansb | \o/ | 21:25 |
| flwang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277257/ the subscriptions panel | 21:25 |
| flwang | subscriptions panel is little bit tricky since zaqar needs the queue name to list subscriptions | 21:26 |
| flwang | so we need some ideas on this one | 21:26 |
| flwang | how to show them | 21:26 |
| flwang | again, pool and flavor won't come until Newton | 21:26 |
| flwang | in Mitaka, we will focus on the user part. Sorry, operators | 21:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-zaqarclient: Improve subscription listing https://review.openstack.org/272909 | 21:27 |
| flwang | #topic puppet and ansible | 21:28 |
| flwang | jasondotstar said he don't have much bandwidth on the puppet zaqar work | 21:28 |
| flwang | dprice will take over | 21:29 |
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| flwang | i haven't sync with dprice, but will do | 21:29 |
| ryansb | *dprince | 21:29 |
| flwang | ryansb: sorry :( | 21:29 |
| flwang | dprince | 21:29 |
| ryansb | no worries | 21:29 |
| flwang | ryansb: another redhater IIRC | 21:30 |
| ryansb | he is | 21:30 |
| flwang | btw, the ansible zaqar spec has been approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269889/ | 21:30 |
| vkmc | sweeeet | 21:30 |
| flwang | but i haven't got time to work on that, since i don't know much about ansible :( | 21:30 |
| ryansb | oh, neato. I happen to write lots of ansible :) | 21:31 |
| flwang | ryansb: kidding me? | 21:31 |
| flwang | ryansb: would you like to take it? | 21:31 |
| ryansb | I would :) I can't guarantee I'll get to it fast, but I'll try | 21:31 |
| flwang | again, we(Catalyst IT) is very keen to deploy zaqar | 21:31 |
| ryansb | heh, so ansible would be handy | 21:31 |
| flwang | but unfortunately, now there is no way | 21:32 |
| flwang | ryansb: i will give you some example project | 21:32 |
| flwang | ironic and designate ansible | 21:32 |
| flwang | ryansb: awesome awesome awesome | 21:32 |
| ryansb | K, sounds good. Next topic then? | 21:34 |
| Eva-i | I have an idea about subscription listing in Zaqar-UI, maybe we can discuss it after the meeting | 21:35 |
| flwang | Eva-i: cool, sure | 21:35 |
| flwang | i don't have much topics, TBH, unless you guys want to discuss the summit sessions and the design summit topics | 21:36 |
| flwang | not sure if it's too early | 21:36 |
| ryansb | Eva pasted a couple discussion items | 21:37 |
| ryansb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/niT4ouOOEhedv2gCEWZO/ | 21:37 |
| ryansb | and http://paste.openstack.org/show/kYFFmShi2eiouoYnUz5B/ | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: yes, thank you | 21:37 |
| Eva-i | first paste about possible design summit topic/session | 21:38 |
| flwang | reading... | 21:40 |
| vkmc | regarding that one | 21:41 |
| vkmc | we need to decouple wsgi transport from the API | 21:41 |
| Eva-i | yes | 21:41 |
| vkmc | right now websocket transport is independent from the API, but the wsgi transport is not | 21:41 |
| ryansb | yeah, that's not great. I think the one parameter I'd want on any solution is it can't change any of the existing stuff we expose | 21:42 |
| flwang | ryansb: +1 | 21:43 |
| vkmc | I see that coupling as a bug, and it's something I'd really like to change from our current code | 21:43 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: what do you mean? | 21:43 |
| ryansb | so the problem stated was that there's coupling between the WSGI & backends | 21:44 |
| flwang | vkmc: Eva-i: so both of you're talking about a refactor, right? | 21:45 |
| vkmc | flwang, yes | 21:45 |
| Eva-i | flwang: right | 21:45 |
| ryansb | and I was just saying that I don't have an incredibly strong opinion on how to break it apart, just that I don't want to change anything we expose as-is over the API (which is part of the definition of refactor) | 21:45 |
| flwang | i see. then i would suggest register a blueprint to track it, personally, i would like to see a detailed plan | 21:46 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: if we refactor things properly, the API change will be unnoticed by the user | 21:46 |
| flwang | and what's the part we should improve | 21:46 |
| ryansb | yup :) that's the idea. Anyways, I think a blueprint would be a good start, and we shouldn't dealy until summit | 21:46 |
| ryansb | *delay | 21:46 |
| Eva-i | I can write the blueprint | 21:46 |
| flwang | Eva-i: cool. thanks | 21:47 |
| ryansb | Eva-i++ | 21:47 |
| flwang | i have another interesting topics if you guys still have time | 21:47 |
| Eva-i | thank you guys =) | 21:47 |
| flwang | queue's metadata | 21:47 |
| flwang | as you know, we were trying to remove queue's metadata in v1.1 since we would like to make queue as lazy | 21:47 |
| flwang | however, finally, we decide to keep it | 21:48 |
| vkmc | Eva-i++ | 21:48 |
| flwang | now, the problems are coming | 21:48 |
| flwang | 1. there is no way to update queue's metadata since v1.1 | 21:48 |
| Eva-i | hm, I don't remember deciding to keep it | 21:49 |
| Eva-i | but I'm a newbie | 21:49 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i can't remember the details | 21:49 |
| flwang | but that's the decision | 21:49 |
| vkmc | flaper87, ^ can you relate to this? | 21:49 |
| flwang | and as the code saying, we're keeping it | 21:49 |
| flwang | we run into this issue when working on the zaqar UI | 21:50 |
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| flwang | now with the zaqar client v2, there is no way to create a queue with metadata | 21:50 |
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| flwang | and worse, no way to update metadata after the queue created | 21:50 |
| Eva-i | flwang: even on API v1? | 21:52 |
| flwang | Eva-i: no | 21:52 |
| flwang | for v1, user can set the metadata | 21:52 |
| vkmc | v1.1 and v2 are the problematics | 21:53 |
| flwang | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-zaqarclient/+bug/1543900 | 21:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543900 in zaqar "Can't update metadata after create queue for v1.1 and v2" [High,New] - Assigned to Fei Long Wang (flwang) | 21:53 |
| flwang | vkmc: ryansb: flaper87: i would like to know your comments if we should support metadata for v1.1 and v2 like v1 | 21:53 |
| flwang | given we're keeping it | 21:54 |
| ryansb | yeah, I think we should keep update support | 21:54 |
| flwang | and queue is very important for subscriptions | 21:54 |
| ryansb | err, support for updating queue metadata | 21:54 |
| ryansb | indeed it is | 21:54 |
| vkmc | I think it's useful and we should have a way to change it | 21:55 |
| vkmc | metadata I mean | 21:55 |
| vkmc | I don't remember why we removed that | 21:55 |
| flwang | in the future, we may split notification from the messaging/queuing, but for now, we still need queue | 21:55 |
| flwang | vkmc: since the lazy queue | 21:55 |
| flwang | and we did some research from rackspace | 21:55 |
| vkmc | flwang, but why we didn't create queues with empty metadata and allowed update? | 21:55 |
| vkmc | hmm | 21:55 |
| flwang | seems there are not too much user using metadata | 21:56 |
| vkmc | I see | 21:56 |
| flwang | but finally, we got some feedback from operators (not sure), then we decide to keep metadata | 21:56 |
| vkmc | I see | 21:56 |
| ryansb | This may not be public info, but how many is "not many" | 21:56 |
| Eva-i | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/api-v1.1-remove-queue-metadata | 21:57 |
| flwang | ryansb: i can't remember :( | 21:57 |
| ryansb | because "not many" of all the rackspace users may still be lots | 21:57 |
| flwang | Based on feedback at the summit, we decided as a team to leave metadata as-is. --kgriffs | 21:57 |
| flwang | see the last line of the blueprint | 21:57 |
| flwang | so, I would say let's fill the gaps | 21:58 |
| ryansb | +1 | 21:58 |
| vkmc | hey guys, gotta rush | 21:58 |
| vkmc | will read the backlog later | 21:58 |
| vkmc | o/ | 21:58 |
| ryansb | kk, catch you later | 21:58 |
| Eva-i | oki | 21:58 |
| flwang | vkmc: ok, ttyl | 21:58 |
| flwang | so personally, i would like to support the metadata actions for v1.1 and v2 | 21:59 |
| Eva-i | okay, we may support queue metadata in API v1.1 and API v2 | 21:59 |
| flwang | that means, we need to fix the metadata update bug on server side | 21:59 |
| flwang | and provide the metadata support for client side | 21:59 |
| flwang | ryansb: vkmc: flaper87: how do you think? | 22:00 |
| ryansb | I think that's the way to go | 22:00 |
| ryansb | IMO metadata is a useful thing to have, and doesn't mean queues can't be lazy | 22:01 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: right | 22:01 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: I also wanted to ask your opinion about queue lazyness in subscriptions | 22:02 |
| ryansb | k, shoot | 22:02 |
| flwang | ryansb: cool, thanks for the feedback | 22:02 |
| flwang | Eva-i: what's the design? re queue lazyness in subscriptions | 22:03 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: the problem is queues stop being lazy on operations with subscriptions | 22:03 |
| flwang | IMHO, subscribe a non-existing object is weird | 22:03 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: though in API v2 queues are considered to be lazy | 22:03 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: maybe we should make it possible to subscribe to unexisting queue | 22:04 |
| ryansb | hm. Good thought. Let's get into a user's mind first | 22:05 |
| ryansb | so if you're a user, and you can send messages to queues that don't exist | 22:05 |
| ryansb | without creating them first | 22:05 |
| ryansb | then you, the user, would probably think you were also able to subscribe to a queue that doesn't yet exist | 22:06 |
| ryansb | does that make sense to you? | 22:06 |
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| Eva-i | for me it makes sense | 22:07 |
| flwang | ryansb: for that case, i would agree only if the queue is crated in background just like posting messages | 22:07 |
| flwang | instead of created a subscription on a non-existing queue | 22:07 |
| ryansb | yeah, for messages we're actually creating queues in the background | 22:08 |
| Eva-i | queues are topics | 22:08 |
| ryansb | so subs could be the same | 22:08 |
| ryansb | flwang: That's what you mean, right? | 22:08 |
| flwang | queue is not existing before creating the subscription, but after created the subscriptions, the queue should be created already | 22:08 |
| flwang | ryansb: yes | 22:08 |
| Eva-i | you can say to Zaqar: I would to listen about this topic. If there will be someting, please notify me. | 22:08 |
| Eva-i | *would like to | 22:08 |
| flwang | ryansb: but | 22:09 |
| flwang | it's still a little bit weird for me, TBH | 22:09 |
| flwang | some users may like it | 22:09 |
| ryansb | hm, which users wouldn' | 22:09 |
| ryansb | *wouldn't like it | 22:09 |
| Eva-i | for me it's not weird | 22:09 |
| flwang | ryansb: haha, me :) | 22:09 |
| flwang | ryansb: because | 22:10 |
| ryansb | well what *type* of user? flwang isn't a type ;) | 22:10 |
| flwang | i maybe wrong | 22:10 |
| flwang | as a user, i create a subscription with a non-existing queue name 'horizon' | 22:11 |
| flwang | then there is another user in the same tenant | 22:11 |
| flwang | he may post messages on 'horizon' before creating it | 22:11 |
| flwang | i haven't think it very clearly | 22:12 |
| flwang | but i'm just wondering if there is a case like above, user A may get messages from user B who don't want his message spread unintentionally | 22:13 |
| flwang | even though they're in same tenant | 22:13 |
| ryansb | if they want isolation, shouldn't they be in different tenants? | 22:13 |
| ryansb | I mean, I feel like that's what tenants/projects are for | 22:14 |
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| flwang | ryansb: i see | 22:14 |
| Eva-i | hm, I'll think about it. | 22:15 |
| flwang | Eva-i: could you please register a bp and propose a spec? | 22:15 |
| flwang | Eva-i: generally, i think it's a good idea | 22:15 |
| flwang | but i just need some more thoughts | 22:15 |
| Eva-i | flwang: okay, I can make it. I'll invite flaper87 to spec review =) | 22:15 |
| flwang | maybe i'm too worry | 22:15 |
| flwang | Eva-i: cool | 22:16 |
| flwang | Eva-i: thanks | 22:16 |
| Eva-i | flwang: thank you too =) | 22:16 |
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| flwang | ryansb: as for the summit sessions, how can i see the vote status? | 22:17 |
| ryansb | I don't think we get to know until the end | 22:17 |
| flwang | ryansb: ok, i see | 22:18 |
| flwang | ryansb: i will spread them into China openstack chat groups | 22:18 |
| ryansb | :) Thank you | 22:18 |
| flwang | thank you! | 22:19 |
| ryansb | I think that covers all our topics, yes? | 22:20 |
| Eva-i | I don't have anything else to discuss now | 22:20 |
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| Eva-i | maybe just an idea for Zaqar-UI subscription listing | 22:21 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep, thank you guys | 22:22 |
| flwang | Eva-i: what's the idea? | 22:22 |
| ryansb | flwang: remember to #endmeeting | 22:22 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 22:22 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 15 22:22:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-15-21.12.html | 22:22 |
| Eva-i | I think subscriptions panel must have an interactive text field for subscription listing. After user stops typing into this text field, after 1 second a request to Zaqar will be made to get list of subscriptions. | 22:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-15-21.12.txt | 22:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-02-15-21.12.log.html | 22:22 |
| flwang | ryansb: hah | 22:22 |
| Eva-i | flwang: ^^^ | 22:23 |
| Eva-i | flwang: a text field with button will be fine too, but not as convenient | 22:23 |
| Eva-i | by text field I meant the place where the user inputs queue name | 22:24 |
| ryansb | so you're thinking like a progressive search? | 22:25 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: progressive search is the one that gives suggestions? No, it's much harder to make. | 22:26 |
| ryansb | I mean the kind that you type a bit, then it checks and shows options that match, then you type more and it shows more options | 22:27 |
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| ryansb | so yeah, that would be harder. I see you're just thinking of auto-running the search after the user finishes typing. | 22:27 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: yes, the last one | 22:27 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it's fancy, but maybe not the best way for now | 22:28 |
| flwang | Eva-i: for now, we need a simple, clean way to show the data | 22:28 |
| flwang | since it's the first version | 22:28 |
| Eva-i | flwang: okay. So you will probably do a queue name field and button "List"? | 22:28 |
| flwang | so the simpler the better and we can enhance it later | 22:28 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i don't know :D | 22:28 |
| flwang | maybe just a dropdown list | 22:29 |
| Eva-i | flwang: that's how I see the most simple way | 22:29 |
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| Eva-i | Oh, I haven't thinked about dropdown list. Maybe it's a good idea. But it might be not good if there are too many queues. | 22:30 |
| ryansb | yeah, dropdown only works to a certain size | 22:30 |
| ryansb | ok, I've gotta head off to make dinner - see you folks tomorrow. flwang I'll take a look at the openstack-ansible spec too :) | 22:34 |
| Eva-i | I'm gonna review one patch and then sleep | 22:34 |
| Eva-i | ryansb: see you | 22:34 |
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| flwang1 | ryansb: ttyl | 22:42 |
| flwang1 | ryansb: i will send you links about ansible | 22:42 |
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