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| flwang | anybody there? | 21:20 |
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| fribeiro_ | just received the good news that two talks were accepted for the vbrownbag event inside the summit, both cover zaqar, will be at 11:45 and 14:45 on thursday | 21:44 |
| fribeiro_ | if you can't make it, these talks will be posted on youtube on the same day | 21:47 |
| fribeiro_ | is the zaqar meetup on friday open to non-core contributors, or is it only for core people, like the design sessions? | 21:48 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: congrats! | 21:55 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: can you let me know the session names? I would like to make sure i can find them on youtube :) | 21:56 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: thanks, didn't make it to the main schedule, but got two spots in vbrownbag | 21:56 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: it will be "Developing Java Microservices for OpenStack" and "Cloud Messaging State of the Union", slides will also go to slideshare on thursday night | 21:56 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: if not before | 21:56 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: awesome, i will keep an eye on that | 21:57 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: great, thanks | 21:57 |
| flwang | as for the meetup, anybody can join it | 21:57 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: but unfortunately, i can't make it due to family affairs | 21:57 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: will go back to zaqar code after the summit, really need to focus on the presentations for now | 21:58 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: that is unfortunate, but family comes first every time | 21:58 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: i see | 21:58 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: yep, i need to take care my 2.5y boy and another angle is on the way :) due on Aug | 21:58 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: i will actually use the trip to visit my own family, have relatives in texas :) | 21:59 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: congrats, i have a 3y baby girl too | 21:59 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: very nice | 21:59 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: i reallllllllllllly want to have a girl | 21:59 |
| flwang | though i don't want to admit that with my boy :D | 21:59 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: i really wanted a boy, to be honest with you, now i want a second girl, girls are awesome | 21:59 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: but a boy would be great too, of course | 21:59 |
| flwang | haha, i'm going to rename this channel as 'happy dad' | 22:00 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: girls are very close to their dads, my girl uses to sit quiet in my living room when i am blogging, coding or studying late in the night -- how awesome is that? | 22:00 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: yeah, yeah, back to messaging, back to messaging! | 22:00 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: queues are nice, but topics are awesome too! :)) | 22:01 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: just curious, are you going to contribute zaqar code? or still interested in promote zaqar for developers :) | 22:02 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: thanks for raising that, i'm interested in your view about queues and topics | 22:02 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: i still have samples to send, will certainly expand to other areas after that | 22:02 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: the fact that we don't seem to have enough tests for the websocket transport, which showed up during the first code review, caught my eye | 22:03 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: not to mention a small issue in python-zaqarclient which i have myself reported, need to go back to that after the summit | 22:03 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: it will be a busy couple of weeks, both talks are dense despite being short | 22:04 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: i see. | 22:04 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-zaqar-summit-planning | 22:04 |
| flwang | here is the session list need to be voted | 22:05 |
| flwang | i need to send out the schedule asap | 22:06 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: great, will add myself to a couple of proposals then | 22:10 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: thank you! | 22:10 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: isn't the DMQ and Delay Queue entries duplicates? | 22:12 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: "aren't" | 22:12 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: what do you mean DMQ? | 22:12 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: DLQ, I mean, "Dead Message Queue" is off-trend these days | 22:13 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: off-trend? may i know more details? | 22:14 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: the term, not the concept - we need a DLQ | 22:14 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: ah, ok | 22:15 |
| flwang | Dead message queue are different from delay queue | 22:15 |
| flwang | dead message queue refers to a queue of messages that were not able to be delivered | 22:16 |
| flwang | but delay queue, means in that queue, all the message will be delayed seconds to be collected | 22:16 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: scheduled delivery or what? | 22:17 |
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| flwang | scheduled delivery | 22:18 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSSimpleQueueService/latest/SQSDeveloperGuide/sqs-delay-queues.html | 22:18 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: oh... that's cool | 22:18 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: it took the java community 12 years or so to add that to the jms api, which was unfortunate | 22:19 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: not that the brokers didn't have that feature anyway | 22:19 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: here is the spec, and any comment is welcomed | 22:19 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: will add myself to that as well | 22:19 |
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| flwang | ryansb's comment about delay queue: Adding arbitrary delays doesn't seem like a "core" use case, and it'll probably put more load on our storage backends than it appears. | 22:20 |
| flwang | so i'm not 100% sure if it's great feature given i'm not a real user, i'm a developer :) | 22:21 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: probably true, but you need to implement more than a few messaging patterns, so there is a case | 22:21 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: whether it should be prioritized over other changes, that is for the group to decide, but there is a case there | 22:21 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: is it allright if I add a few "non-binding" votes to etherpad? | 22:22 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: go for it :) | 22:22 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: thanks, much appreciated | 22:22 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: and welcome to add a new topic | 22:22 |
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| flwang | fribeiro_: thanks for the input | 22:39 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: you're welcome | 22:40 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: so you think both queues and topics should be a concept of messaging service? | 22:42 |
| flwang | i know a lot of modern mq service are suing topics | 22:43 |
| flwang | but in zaqar we have some legacy things, hence the topic comes | 22:43 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: they are, but i really see room for both, will actually bring up this discuss in these talks, cloud native apps - like microservices and serverless apps - seem to be need queues as well as topics | 22:44 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: i will get back to that later with a more elaborate argument | 22:45 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: the baby girl needs me now, ttyl | 22:45 |
| fribeiro_ | flwang: have a nice week | 22:45 |
| flwang | fribeiro_: i'm looking forward :D | 22:45 |
| flwang | ttyl | 22:45 |
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| flwang | Eva-i: flaper87: ryansb: vkmc: wxy: wanghao: mdnadeem_: pls put your vote for our design sessions https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-zaqar-summit-planning | 22:48 |
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