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| mtaylor | tjyang: aroo? | 00:00 |
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| tjyang | mtalyor: what is aroo ?, sorry. | 00:00 |
| mtaylor | tjyang: sorry - that was my way of saying "what?" -- are you saying you got an email from the mailing list and it came from tmorey@rackspace.com ? | 00:01 |
| tjyang | yes. OpenStack <tmorey@rackspace.com> | 00:01 |
| mtaylor | hrm. that's weird | 00:02 |
| tjyang | after I subscibed from openstack homepage. | 00:02 |
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| tjyang | I plan ask beginner on openstack mailing list instead of here. | 00:02 |
| tjyang | I plan to ask beginner question on openstack mailing list instead of here. | 00:03 |
| mtaylor | tjyang: the list address _should_ be openstack@lists.launchpad.net | 00:03 |
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| tjyang | ok, let me try to send to openstack@lists.launchpad.net. | 00:04 |
| tjyang | thanks, mtaylor. | 00:04 |
| mtaylor | tjyang: you're welcome! | 00:06 |
| StylusEater | +creiht: ttyl | 00:07 |
| StylusEater | bye room | 00:07 |
| mtaylor | have fun | 00:07 |
| StylusEater | +mtaylor: other work to do... :-/ thx | 00:07 |
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| tjyang | mtaylor: there are only 3 emails at https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/maillist.html | 00:08 |
| mtaylor | tjyang: it hasn't been very active yet | 00:08 |
| tjyang | mtaylor: I am investigating if openstack can be used to bind our Solaris sparc machines into a private cloud. | 00:12 |
| mtaylor | excellent | 00:12 |
| tjyang | mtaylor: you say "excellent" to me ? | 00:12 |
| mtaylor | sure. always good when people are looking at things | 00:13 |
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| tjyang | mtaylor: according to http://libvirt.org/index.html, libvirt doesn't support Solaris LDOM software. | 00:14 |
| mtaylor | vish1: try this on for size: http://wiki.openstack.org/ColocatedBranches | 00:20 |
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| mtaylor | vish1: and see if that's helpful for you | 00:22 |
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| tjyang | mtaylor: I take that back , see http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/820-3838-10, libvirt does suppot LDOM | 00:23 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #611103 in nova "API kernel/ramdisk parameters no longer work" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611103 | 00:31 |
| tjyang | I just join the openstack as 41st member. | 00:31 |
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| vish1 | question on lp: is fix-released for when it is merged into trunk or when it is actually a part of a numbered release? | 00:36 |
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| mtaylor | vish1: well... that's actually up for debate per-project | 00:44 |
| mtaylor | vish1: we usually set that bug status to fix released in drizzle when the branch has been merged into trunk | 00:44 |
| mtaylor | but other folks may prefer to not list that until it's gone in to a numbered release | 00:44 |
| mtaylor | I believe we're going with the merged into trunk approach here so far - although we haven't been particularly specific about targetting bugs to future releases yet given the fast-pace of everything so far | 00:45 |
| mtaylor | vish1: I've been meaning to set up some milestones and stuff for targetting purposes ... | 00:46 |
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| vish1 | mtaylor: cool | 00:53 |
| mtaylor | vish1: I was trying to convince them to add a "Fix Merged" status ... but they thought that was excessive | 00:53 |
| vish1 | mtaylor: i was just updating a bug that had a fix merged and i didn't know if setting it to fix released was correct | 00:54 |
| vish1 | you should really not have to update it...it is linked to a branch it should automatically switch to fix merged when the branch is merged | 00:54 |
| vish1 | then fix released when that merge goes into a release | 00:55 |
| vish1 | :) | 00:55 |
| redbo | bzr rebase doesn't seem to operate like I'd hoped. | 00:55 |
| creiht | redbo: yeah from what I hear, you don't want to rebase | 00:55 |
| vish1 | redbo: adventurous to even try that | 00:55 |
| redbo | :( | 00:55 |
| vish1 | ok i'm out guys. I'll see some of you tomorrow at cloudkick and hopefully more conferenced in | 00:56 |
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| redbo | I think you mean I DO want to rebase, but bzr doesn't want me to. | 00:56 |
| creiht | hah | 00:57 |
| creiht | redbo: what are you wanting to accomplish? | 00:57 |
| redbo | smush multiple commits in a branch into one before I do a merge proposal | 00:57 |
| creiht | redbo: that basically already happens | 00:57 |
| creiht | submit merge proposal as is, set your commit message in the proposal | 00:58 |
| creiht | and when it gets auto-merged, everything is squashed in the one commit | 00:58 |
| creiht | I think :) | 00:58 |
| redbo | that doesn't seem physically possible | 00:59 |
| creiht | It is a bit magical, but that seems to be the observed behavoir | 01:00 |
| creiht | mtaylor: ? | 01:00 |
| mtaylor | redbo: yes, creiht is telling you correctly | 01:00 |
| mtaylor | redbo: submit it as it is, the merge prop will show a single unified diff, and then when it's merged the mainline trunk will show a single commit for the merge | 01:01 |
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| mtaylor | redbo: but then- if you do bzr log -n0 it'll show you the tree of sub-commits too | 01:01 |
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| mtaylor | so in general, squashing away commit history just isn't a normal thing in bzr land - but also, you're right, the rebase command is for taking your commits and re-playing them on top of a different tip | 01:02 |
| mtaylor | so it's there to accomplish a different task | 01:02 |
| mtaylor | bitkeeper had a command called collapse which is similar to what people seem to use git rebase for ... at MySQL I wrote a bzr plugin called collapse to do the same thing - essentially, prune the commit history from the current branch back to the GCA and then commit the contents of the current working tree | 01:03 |
| redbo | is the merge request showing a diff against the parent branch? | 01:03 |
| mtaylor | yes | 01:03 |
| mtaylor | well, it's showing the diff against the target branch | 01:04 |
| mtaylor | but in this case, that's the same thing | 01:04 |
| mtaylor | also, if you have several related branches you're proposing and you list one of them as a dependency of the other - the diff will only be the diff as if the dependent branch had been merged | 01:05 |
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| redbo | OK. I was just thinking it tried to make the diff out of your changesets, which isn't necessarily possible, but diffing the final product against the target is easy. | 01:07 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #611118 in swift "executables should be more DRY" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611118 | 01:50 |
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| vish1 | nice mergaments | 05:01 |
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| bsin | Hi Guys | 06:25 |
| bsin | can someone help me with mercury installation? | 06:25 |
| bsin | wats the difference between Non-AWS servers and AWS servers | 06:26 |
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| vish1 | mercury? | 06:34 |
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| bsin | mercury is a tool for improving the speed of drupal sites.... | 06:58 |
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| vish1 | bsin: i think you're in the wrong channel | 07:32 |
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| heckj | Out of curiosity, is there an IRC logger and logs stashed somewhere for this channel? | 07:41 |
| heckj | ah, nevermind - just saw the link at the top | 07:42 |
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| soren | mtaylor: You've left for today, right? | 08:53 |
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| jaypipes | morning folks. | 12:12 |
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| g0rdy | Howdy ~ | 12:47 |
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| carolinad28 | morning! | 12:54 |
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| creiht | morning | 14:01 |
| dendrobates | http://wiki.openstack.org/People is for everyone, not just NASA and Rackspace, feel free to add yourself. | 14:01 |
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| termie | is there a "these are all the branches in merge review for this project" list? | 14:20 |
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| creiht | termie: On the code page in lp, it should show the number of merge requests, and if you click that number it will give you a list of all of them | 14:21 |
| termie | https://code.launchpad.net/nova has branches that aren't submitted for review in it | 14:21 |
| termie | creiht: ah cool | 14:21 |
| PiotrSikora | termie: https://code.launchpad.net/nova/+activereviews | 14:22 |
| PiotrSikora | s/nova/swift/ when needed ;) | 14:22 |
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| StylusEater | +creiht: I agree. I'll get a fully functioning environment setup before my next commit. | 15:03 |
| mtaylor | morning soren | 15:13 |
| soren | mtaylor: hey, man. | 15:16 |
| mtaylor | soren: hey - do I need to update tarmac? | 15:16 |
| soren | mtaylor: I believe you do. See the last 25 lines in #tarmac. | 15:17 |
| soren | mtaylor: Or thereabouts. | 15:17 |
| mtaylor | k | 15:17 |
| mtaylor | let's see where we're at on our tarmac | 15:17 |
| soren | mtaylor: Apparantly, because tarmac uses bzrlib primitives, it doesn't do as much as "bzr merge" does. | 15:18 |
| soren | mtaylor: ..but switching to lightweight checkouts in tarmac apparantly makes magic happen. | 15:19 |
| soren | Anyways, it's dinner time. I'll be back later. | 15:20 |
| soren | toodles. | 15:20 |
| mtaylor | soren: ok. have good dinner | 15:21 |
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| dendrobates | mtaylor: mordred smacked down by his own hudson server! | 15:34 |
| mtaylor | gah | 15:34 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: I am being defeated by a small python script this morning | 15:35 |
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| dendrobates | on the good side 0 length diffs always merge cleanly | 15:35 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: when they don't, then you know you really have a problem | 15:36 |
| blpiatt | which distros have been used for the host machine OS on nova? Which are in testing? | 15:37 |
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| dendrobates | blpiatt: ubuntu at least, fedora and redhat are in development | 15:41 |
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| zul | soren: did the package get upload to universe yet? | 16:21 |
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| jaypipes | justinsb: ping! | 16:53 |
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| mtaylor | eday: ping | 17:16 |
| eday | mtaylor: pong | 17:19 |
| mtaylor | eday: I've got jobin's stuff merged in to libdrizzle... damn thing actually cross compiles now | 17:20 |
| eday | mtaylor: cool :) | 17:20 |
| creiht | mtaylor: this isn't #drizzle :) | 17:20 |
| mtaylor | creiht: talking to eday in #drizzle can sometimes cause ... sparks | 17:21 |
| eday | creiht: check out my blog post from yesterday, there is an eventlet vs gevent war going on in the comments :) | 17:21 |
| mtaylor | oh dear god | 17:21 |
| creiht | oh noes | 17:21 |
| creiht | what was the link again? | 17:21 |
| eday | mtaylor: sparks? heh | 17:21 |
| eday | creiht: http://oddments.org/?p=494 | 17:22 |
| mtaylor | eday: I love this comment: "In these days i’m toying around with google go (http://golang.org/)." | 17:23 |
| mtaylor | you know, because that has _anything_ to do with this | 17:23 |
| eday | mtaylor: yeah... although I am curious how goroutines would scale :) | 17:23 |
| creiht | I hear they don't :) | 17:24 |
| * eday proposes swift and nova rewrites in go | 17:24 | |
| creiht | at least not yet | 17:24 |
| mtaylor | eday: well... if we're gonna go that route, we should also poke at vala | 17:24 |
| mtaylor | you know - async language features except no GC and compiles to pure C | 17:24 |
| _0x44 | eday: nodejs, it's easier to google for nodejs than go :) | 17:24 |
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| mtaylor | nobody's doing server stuff in it yet - but it'd be interesting to see how it fared | 17:25 |
| redbo | I prefer eventlet over gevent because it's not ran by a misanthrope. | 17:25 |
| creiht | hah | 17:26 |
| mtaylor | nice | 17:26 |
| creiht | eday: btw rdw == ryan :) | 17:26 |
| eday | creiht: ahh | 17:26 |
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| * mtaylor should probably delete the comment he was about to make about eventlet sucking a whole lot then | 17:27 | |
| creiht | haha | 17:27 |
| eday | mtaylor: feed the fire!! | 17:27 |
| mtaylor | eday: I tried to with my vala/go comments above. | 17:27 |
| mtaylor | eday: that's the best I can do | 17:27 |
| mtaylor | eday: hey, actually - the vala people have an example echo server on their page ... if I bundle it up for you, would you run your test against it? (/me is curious) | 17:29 |
| eday | mtaylor: heh, sure | 17:29 |
| vish1 | eday: erlang or bust | 17:31 |
| * creiht really wants to like erlang, but can't get past the syntax | 17:32 | |
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| redbo | well I don't want to like erlang | 17:33 |
| creiht | hah | 17:33 |
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| mtaylor | eday: your echo server -does it echo back and then drop the connection, or does it keep it alive and keep echoing as you keep sending | 17:38 |
| lbieber | mtaylor: yeah! swift mailing list finally up and running :) | 17:42 |
| mtaylor | lbieber: w00t | 17:42 |
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| mtaylor | lbieber: also, the can't-see-swift bug has been patched and I believe pushed | 17:43 |
| lbieber | mtaylor: great!! | 17:43 |
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| eday | mtaylor: client side drops, server doesn't know when it should drop | 18:03 |
| eday | vish1: ++ on erlang | 18:03 |
| mtaylor | eday: ok. well, I'm emailing you a tarball... | 18:03 |
| rdw | it wasn't really a "war" in the comments | 18:04 |
| creiht | hehe | 18:04 |
| * mtaylor was expecting much more in the comments too | 18:04 | |
| eday | rdw: i suppose not | 18:05 |
| rdw | I'm glad Keith clarified; there was a time when you couldn't post about eventlet without someone popping up with a copy-and-pasted press release about gevent | 18:06 |
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| rdw | anyway, cool stuff about execnet, eh? I hadn't even heard of that before | 18:12 |
| eday | mtaylor: any idea how to specify backlog for listen in vala? google not helping... | 18:13 |
| mtaylor | looking | 18:13 |
| eday | mtaylor: and it's dropping me... hmm | 18:14 |
| mtaylor | eday: srv.set_backlog(2000); | 18:15 |
| mtaylor | add that to line 11 | 18:15 |
| mtaylor | eday: yeah - I think this server is only doing a single - I need to read slightly more | 18:15 |
| eday | mtaylor: yeah... doesn't work well when if it drops after first packet :) | 18:16 |
| mtaylor | eday: lp:~mordred/+junk/vala-echo-test | 18:18 |
| mtaylor | eday: I tried running your scalestack client here, but it became very unhappy about not enough file descriptors :) | 18:18 |
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| eday | mtaylor: (process:24685): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_socket_set_listen_backlog: assertion `!socket->priv->listening' failed | 18:22 |
| mtaylor | yeah - I was just poking at that | 18:23 |
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| comstud | hm | 18:32 |
| eday | mtaylor: hm, it seems to be stripping new lines or something too | 18:35 |
| eday | mtaylor: not getting back the same data I send :) | 18:35 |
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| comstud | euca-bundle-image is telling me cert, etc, is required | 18:38 |
| comstud | what am I missing? | 18:38 |
| comstud | i don't remember setting any env variables before | 18:39 |
| comstud | ah | 18:40 |
| comstud | . novarc | 18:40 |
| soren | mtaylor: Yay, tags! | 18:41 |
| mtaylor | soren: well... I did that one by hand | 18:41 |
| mtaylor | soren: but rockstar has found the bug in tarmac and it working on it | 18:42 |
| soren | mtaylor: Oh. | 18:42 |
| dendrobates | mtaylor: any movement on your LP patch to let us integrate the CLA signing? | 18:43 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: nope. I have not had any time yet to get that finished | 18:43 |
| mtaylor | eday: ok. I seem to have killed my ability to initiate new network connections on this machine :) | 18:44 |
| eday | mtaylor: awesome | 18:44 |
| dendrobates | mtaylor: will it help if I beg? what needs to be done? is it in a public repo? | 18:45 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: uh - no - it's not written yet | 18:45 |
| dendrobates | mtaylor: oh, it's only an idea. | 18:45 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: it's near the top of my todo list ... it's just been supplanted as of late with all these other things :) | 18:46 |
| dendrobates | I understand | 18:46 |
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| vish1 | mtaylor: do we have a functioning version of nova in a ppa no? | 18:57 |
| vish1 | s/no/now | 18:57 |
| mtaylor | vish1: we _should_ ... | 18:58 |
| mtaylor | vish1: I would check, but eday's programs broke my computer | 18:58 |
| dendrobates | eday ftw | 18:59 |
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| _jcsmith | question about swift | 19:09 |
| _jcsmith | when I run swift-auth-create-account account1 user1 pass1 | 19:10 |
| _jcsmith | it communicates to the local account-server | 19:10 |
| creiht | correct | 19:10 |
| _jcsmith | which sends call to other nodes running account-server, perhaps according to what is in the hash ring | 19:10 |
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| _jcsmith | I'm a little lost about what is going into sqllite and what is going into /srv/1/node/sdb/accounts | 19:11 |
| creiht | well the auth server makes calls to the account servers that are supposed to be responsible for the account (based on the ring) | 19:11 |
| creiht | _jcsmith: a sqlite db is created under that path | 19:11 |
| _jcsmith | ok | 19:11 |
| _jcsmith | one for each account? | 19:12 |
| jonesy | this bug looks like a good way to become more acquainted with parts of the swift code (if there's some interest in fixing it, that is) https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/611118 | 19:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 611118 in swift "executables should be more DRY" [Medium,New] | 19:12 |
| creiht | correct | 19:12 |
| jonesy | interesting that a bug with DRY in the title would have so many duplicate ints in the bug number ;-P | 19:12 |
| creiht | there is a single db for each account, and for each container, replicated 3 times accross the cluster | 19:12 |
| creiht | hah | 19:12 |
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| creiht | the account db has account stats, and a listing of all containers in that account | 19:13 |
| creiht | the container db has container stats, and a listing of all objects in that container | 19:13 |
| _jcsmith | when you are making a call against a proxy, is it doing authentication, then it passes the request on to the node in the ring? | 19:14 |
| _jcsmith | authentication of the token I mean | 19:14 |
| creiht | yes the proxy validates the token, and then passes the request on to the backend services | 19:15 |
| _jcsmith | on the proxy server, I have a proxy-server.conf | 19:16 |
| _jcsmith | [auth-server] | 19:16 |
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| _jcsmith | ip = x.x.x.x | 19:16 |
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| _jcsmith | wouldn't the proxy server use the ring to find server? | 19:17 |
| creiht | the proxy server would use the auth config to contact the auth server, but would use the ring to contact backend services such as the object, container, or account servers | 19:17 |
| _jcsmith | I guess I'm getting tripped up on the auth server and account server | 19:18 |
| creiht | k | 19:18 |
| _jcsmith | is there only one auth server, I think maybe I read this was because you could define different auth servers for different sets of customers | 19:20 |
| creiht | The included auth server is only there as a reference, and for development reasons | 19:20 |
| creiht | Which makes for just one auth server | 19:20 |
| creiht | In a real world setup, we would expect people to integrate with auth that they already have | 19:21 |
| _jcsmith | makes sense | 19:21 |
| creiht | For example in the case of Rackspace, all cloud services use the same auth service | 19:21 |
| creiht | Which the dev auth mimics to some extent | 19:22 |
| gundlach | any Tornado coders able to explain why nova/endpoint/api.py calls self.finish() on e.g. line 228? | 19:23 |
| _jcsmith | thanks creiht | 19:23 |
| creiht | np | 19:23 |
| gundlach | I thought .finish() was only needed in asynchronous responses, but it's used in methods without the async decorator | 19:23 |
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| creiht | The auth is implemented as middleware to the proxy wsgi app, so it *should* be easy for anyone to plug in their own auth | 19:24 |
| jonesy | gundlach: I wonder if that code was written during a time when tornado wouldn't actually send output to the client without calling finish()? | 19:25 |
| * jonesy does a quick search through the mailing list | 19:25 | |
| gundlach | jonesy: cool, that was my suspicion, or that an async decorator had been dropped. just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something. | 19:26 |
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| jonesy | gundlach: I know at one point we started out coding without finish() and had to go back and add it in. Since 1.0 came out, we're auditing everything now, so maybe that's something we can get rid of (in Tinman, which is on github) | 19:27 |
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| gundlach | jonesy: hokay, cool. thanks :) | 19:29 |
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| soren | mtaylor: About the tag+bump+tarball order... I have to agree with the dudes in #tarmac. It does seems odd to bump the version right after release instead of in preparation of release. | 20:00 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Anyways, I'm considering just going ahead and upload Nova to Maverick with the current packaging. | 20:01 |
| mtaylor | soren: so - the reason I've usually done it post-release is that once you make changes to 1.0, it's not 1.0 anymore | 20:02 |
| mtaylor | it's work in progress on 1.1 | 20:02 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Conversely, it's not 2.0 until... well, until it's 2.0 :) | 20:02 |
| mtaylor | indeed | 20:02 |
| mtaylor | which is honestly where versoin numbers checked in to the source tree are lame | 20:03 |
| creiht | mtaylor: you might call it something like 1.1dev until it is released | 20:03 |
| soren | Right. | 20:03 |
| creiht | (if possible) | 20:03 |
| mtaylor | creiht: you could - then you have two different version bump revs though. (I don't think there _is_ a great way to deal with this tbh...) | 20:04 |
| creiht | ahh | 20:04 |
| soren | mtaylor: Neither approach is indisputably sane. | 20:04 |
| mtaylor | nope | 20:04 |
| creiht | If only we had tools that could take care of this for us... | 20:04 |
| creiht | :) | 20:04 |
| mtaylor | our systems for managing this haven't been really improved since before everyone was on VC - much less DVCS | 20:04 |
| mtaylor | so - in drizzle we generate automatic version numbers, which I've never been a real fan of | 20:05 |
| mtaylor | but it does prevent the whole commit -m"version bump" nonsense | 20:05 |
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| soren | mtaylor: It just looks coherent that the revision that bumps the version number is also the revision with the tag. | 20:07 |
| soren | mtaylor: plus, it's what I'm used to, so I'm probably biased. | 20:07 |
| mtaylor | :) | 20:07 |
| mtaylor | honestly, the thing creiht was suggesting is probably the most proper, other than the dual bumps PIA | 20:08 |
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| soren | When I want to figure out what's the right way to do stuff, I tend to look at either bzr or twisted. Those guys are clever. | 20:08 |
| mtaylor | they are. I often do the same | 20:08 |
| soren | They both have the tests in-tree, by the way :) | 20:09 |
| mtaylor | on the other hand, sometimes both are _too_ clever | 20:09 |
| mtaylor | soren: :) | 20:09 |
| mtaylor | soren: I don't care on that one way or the other- I just want to sync swift and nova in one direction or the other | 20:09 |
| soren | mtaylor: There's prior art to what creiht suggested. I think that's what qemu does. Let me check. | 20:10 |
| creiht | yeah I've seen other projects do that | 20:10 |
| mtaylor | speaking of - I've really got to get setup.py driving the sphinx version number - changing version number in two places is ghey | 20:12 |
| mtaylor | which means I need to uninstall my extra-new version so I can figure out how to catch creiht's exception | 20:12 |
| creiht | mtaylor: I thought we were just going to use sphinx 1.0? | 20:13 |
| creiht | and not worry about the warning for the older versions? | 20:13 |
| soren | Hmm.. it's not qemu. Weird. I could have sworn.. | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | creiht: yes. except that if I put in the stanza in setup.py that sets the version and you have too old sphinx, it exceptions | 20:14 |
| mtaylor | creiht: so I at least need to catch the exception and print a message | 20:14 |
| creiht | ahh | 20:14 |
| creiht | eventlet versions that way, btw | 20:15 |
| creiht | (adding dev1 to the new version number until release) | 20:16 |
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| gholms | Reminder: Fedora cloud meeting begins in 10 minutes in #fedora-meeting for those who are interested | 20:50 |
| vish1 | so where does one find the ppa? | 20:57 |
| vish1 | it isn't obvious from the site | 20:57 |
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| mtaylor | vish1: it's linked from the ~swift-core page | 21:01 |
| mtaylor | vish1: I should put a link to it on the swift project page... good pint | 21:01 |
| mtaylor | point | 21:01 |
| mtaylor | vish1: s/swift/nova/ | 21:02 |
| mtaylor | vish1: add-apt-repository ppa:nova-core/ppa | 21:02 |
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| vish1 | https://launchpad.net/~nova-core/+archive/ppa | 21:04 |
| vish1 | has a old build | 21:04 |
| vish1 | how do we get a current build up there? | 21:05 |
| mtaylor | vish1: heh. I should upload one :) | 21:05 |
| vish1 | so that people can use it here at the hack day | 21:05 |
| mtaylor | you can too - but I can just do it right now | 21:05 |
| soren | mtaylor: I'm way ahead of you. | 21:06 |
| mtaylor | soren: great! | 21:06 |
| mtaylor | soren: you do it then | 21:06 |
| soren | mtaylor: I've set up a recipe to build off trunk for Lucid. Maverick is ready to go, too. | 21:06 |
| soren | mtaylor: ...but the PPA build queue is full of the python team playing with py2.7 again. | 21:06 |
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| vish1 | :( | 21:07 |
| soren | I uploaded a fresh nova two days ago. | 21:07 |
| vish1 | we're supposed to start now so any help would be great | 21:07 |
| soren | Right now, it says it'll be built in 1 hour. | 21:07 |
| soren | An hour ago it was 6 hours. | 21:07 |
| soren | Two hours ago it was 1 hour. | 21:07 |
| mtaylor | soren: those are lying ... the python team is breaking everything | 21:07 |
| soren | Yesterday it was 50 minutes. | 21:07 |
| soren | It's all over the place. | 21:07 |
| soren | EXTREMELY annoying. | 21:07 |
| mtaylor | soren: perhaps we should suggest again that perhaps they, you know, partner with someone who has a scalable cloud infrastructure ... | 21:07 |
| soren | They probably won't. | 21:08 |
| mtaylor | I know | 21:08 |
| mtaylor | they have to re-invent everything themselves (bitch, moan) | 21:08 |
| soren | I think they want to keep their build infrastructure under tight control. I can't say I blame them much. | 21:08 |
| mtaylor | I do - they can't run it | 21:08 |
| mtaylor | they don't have enough machines | 21:08 |
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| soren | True. | 21:08 |
| mtaylor | and they can still control root access to cloud instances | 21:09 |
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| soren | It's been fine when people haven't been uploading thousands of packages at once. | 21:09 |
| mtaylor | right... except they build a system which is 10000 times easier for making dep repos than anything else in existence | 21:09 |
| mtaylor | and then they went and made ubuntu the most popular linux | 21:09 |
| soren | I've already removed the python team from my christmas card list. That'll teach 'em. | 21:09 |
| mtaylor | so... it's gonna only get more popular | 21:09 |
| soren | mtaylor: True. | 21:10 |
| rdw | what system are you talking about? | 21:10 |
| * mtaylor stops venting | 21:10 | |
| vish1 | so we are starting hackathon. be great if someoneone could put up packages for new nova | 21:10 |
| soren | vish1: Timeframe? | 21:11 |
| mtaylor | soren: shall we upload binary packages to somewhere temporary? | 21:11 |
| vish1 | asap | 21:11 |
| soren | Will sometime tomorrow be fine or do you need it sooner than that? | 21:11 |
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| mtaylor | soren: I think it's starting _now_ | 21:11 |
| vish1 | need it like now | 21:11 |
| vish1 | :) | 21:11 |
| soren | Ah. | 21:11 |
| soren | Heh :) | 21:11 |
| soren | Well, building them is simple, really. | 21:11 |
| mtaylor | rdw: launchpad | 21:12 |
| rdw | oh | 21:12 |
| vish1 | yeah i was hoping to make it easy to install. I can't put up packages from nasa | 21:12 |
| mtaylor | we can totally just put up ftp-able debs somewhere if you think that would be helpful | 21:13 |
| mtaylor | unless soren has special-cow-powers with the losas | 21:13 |
| vish1 | that would be very helpful | 21:13 |
| vish1 | l | 21:13 |
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| mtaylor | soren: you wanna do that or me? | 21:16 |
| soren | mtaylor: If you would, that'd be great. | 21:17 |
| mtaylor | soren: k. shall I merge in latest trunk then? | 21:18 |
| soren | mtaylor: There's a ~nova-core/nova/ppa-lucid branch with working packaging. | 21:18 |
| soren | mtaylor: Do you have a login on wiki.openstack.org | 21:18 |
| mtaylor | soren: yup | 21:18 |
| soren | mtaylor: ssh login, I mean? | 21:18 |
| mtaylor | yup | 21:18 |
| soren | mtaylor: I have a repo set up on there. | 21:18 |
| mtaylor | I can stick it under nova.openstack.org | 21:18 |
| mtaylor | oh - great | 21:18 |
| soren | mtaylor: Moving it under nova.openstack.org sounds good. | 21:19 |
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| jaypipes | vish1: so...I'm getting close to completing my work on refactoring the data model... today I added functionality which removes the need to manually manage relationships (associations) between different model objects. The PersistentObject now automatically handles the saving of relationships for classes that define a has_many class attribute, as shown in this test case: http://codepad.org/odbVrsNk. No more need to manual | 21:19 |
| jaypipes | ly handle keeping associations between objects -- so less cause for code errors. | 21:19 |
| mtaylor | gah | 21:20 |
| mtaylor | it would be great if the test cases didn't fail on my laptop... | 21:20 |
| mtaylor | test_allocate_deallocate_ip and test_range_allocation consistently fail for me | 21:20 |
| vish1 | ath error | 21:21 |
| vish1 | p | 21:21 |
| jaypipes | vish1: may not look like much, but it should cut out a large chunk of code in the models. Anyway, I'll keep you posted on progress. | 21:21 |
| mtaylor | yeah? | 21:21 |
| vish1 | jaypipes: thanks | 21:22 |
| vish1 | mtaylor: yeah usually that is nova-dhcpbridge having bad flags | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: running the tests in a virtualenv? | 21:22 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: nope. | 21:22 |
| mtaylor | that would be me running bzr bd | 21:22 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: you will need to. | 21:22 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: nope | 21:22 |
| mtaylor | I need to not have to | 21:22 |
| mtaylor | if I have to, it's a bug | 21:23 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: ah, I see...for pacakging... | 21:23 |
| vish1 | so it happened when i had sylinked bin to nova | 21:23 |
| mtaylor | vish1: hrm... | 21:23 |
| vish1 | like it can't find network path | 21:24 |
| mtaylor | soren: where is the repo you set up on wiki. ? | 21:25 |
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| vish1 | anyway i'm starting now. let me know when you | 21:26 |
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| mtaylor | vish1: will do | 21:26 |
| comstud | let the bzr/git war begin! | 21:26 |
| mtaylor | oh god | 21:26 |
| comstud | hehe | 21:27 |
| mtaylor | just please not here | 21:27 |
| eday | comstud: where? | 21:27 |
| comstud | it's in person.. and not really a war | 21:27 |
| comstud | or at least i hope it won't be | 21:27 |
| comstud | :) | 21:27 |
| comstud | eday- openstack meetup in sf | 21:27 |
| eday | comstud: ahh, ok | 21:27 |
| * mtaylor wants to avoid dev meetings until we've moved past that particular discussion | 21:27 | |
| comstud | hehehe | 21:27 |
| eday | mtaylor: you think we'll move past it? | 21:28 |
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| mtaylor | eday: eventually the peope complaining will get so tiring to _everyone_ that they'll get shussed immediately, yes | 21:28 |
| soren | mtaylor: Hang on, let me check. | 21:29 |
| mtaylor | eday: I mean, we haven't had a serious complaint about the c++ choice over in drizzle-land in at least a year | 21:29 |
| soren | mtaylor: I can start one, if you want? | 21:29 |
| mtaylor | soren: I've got debs on the machine | 21:29 |
| mtaylor | soren: start a repo? | 21:29 |
| soren | mtaylor: Wicked. Where? | 21:29 |
| polvi | anyone else here at the cloudkick thing right now? | 21:29 |
| mtaylor | soren: /var/lib/hudson/build-area | 21:29 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Err... Which box is this? | 21:30 |
| comstud | polvi- me | 21:30 |
| mtaylor | soren: oh - poo - wrong machine - one sec | 21:30 |
| comstud | (chris behrens/rackspace) | 21:30 |
| mtaylor | soren: k. /home/mordred/pkgs | 21:31 |
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| vish1 | easy_install virtualenv | 21:33 |
| vish1 | easy_install pip | 21:33 |
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| soren | mtaylor: There's now a Makefile in there that whips up Packages{,.gz}. | 21:33 |
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| mtaylor | soren: great | 21:33 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Expose it via apache, and accesss it using: | 21:33 |
| vish1 | bzr clone lp:nova | 21:34 |
| soren | deb http://nova.openstack.org/whatnot ./ | 21:34 |
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| soren | in sources.list | 21:34 |
| soren | That should do the trick. | 21:34 |
| vish1 | cd nova | 21:34 |
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| greenisus | i get: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/python2.6' | 21:34 |
| greenisus | i have python 2.6.1 | 21:34 |
| soren | mtaylor: If we're going to do this on a regular basis, we should look at reprepro or falcon or something to handle it. | 21:34 |
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| soren | greenisus: You probably know this... Why did we come out with a new python-cloudservers instead of just using the existing python-cloudservers by jacobian? | 21:35 |
| cw | /join #csmeetup ? | 21:35 |
| creiht | greenisus: the problem is that you are running os x :) | 21:35 |
| greenisus | haha | 21:35 |
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| greenisus | soren: it was done a long time ago before jacobian's python-cloudservers existed i believe. it had been sitting in a private repo and we finally opened it up | 21:36 |
| greenisus | i bet jacobian's is better, so i'm up for switching to that | 21:36 |
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| soren | greenisus: He's eager to have his blessed by Rackspace. | 21:36 |
| soren | greenisus: I've been talking to him about it for months. | 21:36 |
| greenisus | i had no idea, dang | 21:37 |
| greenisus | yeah have him get in touch with me: mike.mayo@rackspace.com | 21:37 |
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| soren | greenisus: It just a bit of a maze to find the right people to approve such things. Well, for me, anyways. | 21:37 |
| greenisus | i'm completely on board with it if it's a nice library | 21:37 |
| soren | It's lovely. | 21:37 |
| mtaylor | soren, greenisus: why not use libcloud? | 21:37 |
| greenisus | yeah, that's true, and i'm completely remote from rackspace so i'm even harder to find :) | 21:37 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Because it only exposes a very limited subset of what cloud servers does. | 21:38 |
| greenisus | libcloud is awesome, but it doesn't completely cover the API. libcloud is more about abstraction for multiple clouds | 21:38 |
| mtaylor | soren: ok. as long as there's a good reason | 21:38 |
| greenisus | libcloud's great, but we want to offer all functionality | 21:38 |
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| eday | comstud: how many folks are at the meetup? | 21:45 |
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| mtaylor | eday: just count all the people at this ip... 63-200-35-202.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net | 21:46 |
| mtaylor | :) | 21:46 |
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| greenisus | it's about 30ish | 21:46 |
| greenisus | we're all over at Cloudkick's offices | 21:46 |
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| vish1_ | so we have deb packages? | 21:47 |
| wattersjames | *shout out* cloudkick and mikey | 21:49 |
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| greenisus | hey james! good to see you here | 21:50 |
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| greenisus | also, i'd like to say that in the near future i'm going to start a new room for openstack clients | 21:50 |
| greenisus | i don't really talk about our iphone/ipad, android, and web client in here since it's more about nova and swift | 21:50 |
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| dendrobates | greenisus: yeah, you guys could get lost in here | 21:50 |
| greenisus | but would love to have others get involved with the mobile apps if they're interested | 21:50 |
| greenisus | dendrobates: yeah, i enjoy keeping up, but i don't want to derail the room by talking about iphone apps :) | 21:51 |
| eday | greenisus: I wouldn't mind seeing discussion around that in here, one less channel to switch to :) | 21:51 |
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| dendrobates | it is important stuff but perhaps a different audience | 21:51 |
| comstud | but please no iphone/android war | 21:52 |
| comstud | :) | 21:52 |
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| eday | comstud: there is a war? android already won... | 21:52 |
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| * comstud stares at eday | 21:52 | |
| creiht | We already mix nova and swift in here, might as well add more :) | 21:52 |
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| greenisus | well if no one minds i'll start talking about it in here. and there's no war. we do iphone *and* android | 21:52 |
| greenisus | however, iphone is better :) | 21:52 |
| comstud | i meant in general :) | 21:52 |
| comstud | LOL | 21:52 |
| creiht | If it gets too bad, then we kick you out, and you can make your own channel :) | 21:53 |
| eday | greenisus: give it a shot in here, we can always create the channel later if its too much :) | 21:53 |
| comstud | eday is outnumbered already | 21:53 |
| greenisus | haha | 21:53 |
| greenisus | okay i'll bring it up a bit later. first i need to get nova actually running on my laptop | 21:53 |
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| comstud | i got the iphone 4 the other day | 21:53 |
| greenisus | but yeah if anyone has any questions on this stuff let me know. i still need to make the app iphone 4 ready | 21:54 |
| creiht | greenisus: Have to add support for holding the phone incorrectly? :) | 21:54 |
| greenisus | haha exactly :) (actually just need to double-size all the images) | 21:54 |
| dendrobates | greenisus: does the android app support deletes? | 21:55 |
| eday | comstud: that's sad | 21:55 |
| mtaylor | vish1_: did you see: | 21:55 |
| greenisus | i don't remember :) | 21:55 |
| mtaylor | vish1_: deb http://nova.openstack.org/pkgs ./ | 21:55 |
| comstud | i make eday cry | 21:55 |
| dendrobates | eday: how are you liking your nexus one? | 21:55 |
| eday | comstud: you make the freedom kittens cry | 21:55 |
| greenisus | if it doesn't that's trivial to add | 21:55 |
| eday | dendrobates: lovin it | 21:55 |
| comstud | haha | 21:55 |
| greenisus | i think it doesn't, but only because it doesn't have a password lock yet | 21:55 |
| eday | eday: you? | 21:56 |
| comstud | oh no | 21:56 |
| * creiht wishes he had a nexus one | 21:56 | |
| comstud | eday actually got a new phone.. ? | 21:56 |
| mtaylor | eday: I hate you, btw | 21:56 |
| greenisus | i've avoided letting the apps delete nodes unless there's a password lock option. at the moment ipad has password lock and it's in progress on iphone | 21:56 |
| eday | dendrobates: err, you? | 21:56 |
| creiht | I heard they were giving them out at OSCON | 21:56 |
| dendrobates | creiht: you know they have them away at oscon> | 21:56 |
| * mtaylor is sad he didn't get a free nexus one | 21:56 | |
| eday | comstud: google gave it to me, 2nd android based phone from google for free :) | 21:56 |
| creiht | yeah :/ | 21:56 |
| dendrobates | eday: yes, except for the battery life | 21:56 |
| comstud | eday, ah nice | 21:56 |
| vish1_ | mtaylor: thx | 21:56 |
| eday | dendrobates: I've been happy with battery, 2-3 days | 21:56 |
| * mtaylor needs to email someone at google and get a new damn phone | 21:56 | |
| eday | mtaylor: should have come to oscon :) | 21:57 |
| creiht | mtaylor: can you get 2? :) | 21:57 |
| dendrobates | eday: do you push email to it? | 21:57 |
| mtaylor | last damn free phone from google is now slower than dirt | 21:57 |
| dendrobates | add about 5-600 email a day and it really drains your battery | 21:57 |
| eday | dendrobates: yeah.. both from gmail and the outlook sync thingy | 21:57 |
| eday | dendrobates: i dropped the sync rates though, so it doesn't do it often | 21:58 |
| * mtaylor just uses k9 on his g1 and uses imap idel | 21:58 | |
| dendrobates | mtaylor: if you weren't farting around in mx, you could have come and got one. | 21:58 |
| mtaylor | idle | 21:58 |
| eday | dendrobates: also shut of wifi, that saves a lot | 21:58 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: yeah yeah - but last year's oscon was such a big pile of useless I just wasn't interested | 21:58 |
| dendrobates | eday, but I like wifi | 21:58 |
| * creiht eyes cyanogenmod-6 .0for his aging g1 | 21:58 | |
| comstud | dendro- eday will next suggest shutting the phone off when not using it | 21:58 |
| dendrobates | mtaylor: yeah I hear you and San Jose sucked compared to portland | 21:59 |
| mtaylor | creiht: is your g1 like, constantly pausing to garbage collect - or perhaps just smell the flowers | 21:59 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: that's what I hear - but the _content_ of last year's was just so tired and lame | 21:59 |
| creiht | mtaylor: I've been running cyanogenmod 5.0.8 for a while and it has been alright | 21:59 |
| mtaylor | dendrobates: it was like I was in a room with all the old perl folks who were sad they weren't on top anymore | 21:59 |
| creiht | sometimes I get a little pause when switching apps | 21:59 |
| dendrobates | mtaylor: it is always the same people saying the same things, true | 21:59 |
| mtaylor | creiht: I should perhaps install that | 21:59 |
| creiht | mtaylor: I highly recommend it | 22:00 |
| creiht | though I would wait for 6 | 22:00 |
| greenisus | wow it was really easy to derail the conversation in here :) | 22:00 |
| eday | dendrobates: I guess I don't do enough on the phone to need wifi on | 22:00 |
| creiht | greenisus: sometimes a break is good :) | 22:00 |
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| mtaylor | creiht: the cyanogenmod website doesn't list g1 as supported for 5.0.8 ... | 22:01 |
| greenisus | eday: that's because you're on android | 22:01 |
| comstud | haha | 22:01 |
| eday | greenisus: heh, it's because I don't leave the house much, and when I'm home, I have my laptop :) | 22:02 |
| eday | greenisus: and when I do leave, wifi obviously doesn't do much for me | 22:02 |
| mtaylor | eday: ++ | 22:03 |
| greenisus | i tend to go to the same places all the time, and i get everyone to tell me their wifi passwords | 22:03 |
| creiht | mtaylor: G1 is codenamed the dream | 22:03 |
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| mtaylor | ah | 22:03 |
| greenisus | favorite dive bar password: bestwateringhole | 22:03 |
| greenisus | cloud kick office | 22:03 |
| greenisus | tequila bar: tequila1 | 22:03 |
| greenisus | i'm a creature of habit | 22:03 |
| mtaylor | god I hate web forums | 22:03 |
| comstud | the one pub i'd go to had 'beerisgood' or something as a password | 22:04 |
| eday | greenisus: ahh.. yeah. i tend to only use it while getting to places (rss feed on train, maps, ...) | 22:04 |
| greenisus | so, is there anything you guys think would be cool on mobile for openstack? | 22:05 |
| greenisus | right now i'm working on chef integration on the ipad app | 22:05 |
| comstud | beer dispenser | 22:05 |
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| greenisus | beer access is a private API. apple doesn't allow it :( | 22:05 |
| comstud | :( | 22:05 |
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| comstud | i need to install the app onto my phone | 22:05 |
| greenisus | openstack isn't in the app store | 22:06 |
| greenisus | you could get the rackspace cloud app though | 22:06 |
| comstud | i meant.. the rackspace one | 22:06 |
| greenisus | yeah | 22:06 |
| dendrobates | what is funny is that I find my self sitting in front of my laptop answering email on my phone. | 22:06 |
| greenisus | might as well get iSSH and toss the laptop | 22:06 |
| comstud | hehe | 22:07 |
| jander06 | is the phone app just going to be the web UI but smaller? | 22:07 |
| greenisus | no but yes ? | 22:07 |
| comstud | greenisus- what's the OS app look like now? | 22:07 |
| comstud | that what you demod in Austin? | 22:07 |
| comstud | or was that the RS one? | 22:07 |
| comstud | or are they one in the same to begin with? | 22:07 |
| comstud | :) | 22:07 |
| eday | dendrobates: that explains the battery drain :) | 22:07 |
| greenisus | yeah that's what i demoed in austin | 22:07 |
| comstud | ahh | 22:08 |
| greenisus | all the apps are basically API clients, but they're all distinct | 22:08 |
| greenisus | designed for the platform they run on | 22:08 |
| greenisus | for example, on iphone, i make it nice and easy to use, and on android i make it suck :) | 22:08 |
| comstud | i think an Ops group would love an overall infratructure management app... | 22:08 |
| comstud | not just per-project or per-account or per-user type app | 22:09 |
| greenisus | but yeah, the rackspace apps are the same. going to move towards releasing the openstack apps as the rackspace apps with different build targets | 22:09 |
| greenisus | yeah, on ipad multiple accounts are supported | 22:09 |
| comstud | ah | 22:09 |
| greenisus | but there's a lot more to infrastructure management than API coverage | 22:09 |
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| vish1_ | File "/Users/vishvananda/cloudkick/nova/nova/endpoint/images.py", line 80, in conn | 23:12 |
| vish1_ | return boto.s3.connection.S3Connection ( | 23:12 |
| vish1_ | exceptions.AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'connection' | 23:12 |
| vish1_ | missing a dependency? | 23:12 |
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| vish1_ | maybe boto2.0b1 has moved it? | 23:15 |
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| soren | vish1_: Missing import. | 23:26 |
| soren | vish1_: import boto.s3.connection | 23:26 |
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| soren | vish1_: With older versions of boto, boto/s3/__init__.py imported connection, so it was already loaded. That is no longer the case. | 23:27 |
| soren | vish1_: "import boto.s3.connection" works with new and old versions of boto, so just go ahead and add it unconditionally. | 23:28 |
| soren | mtaylor: Current estimated build time for nova in my ppa: In 56 minutes. | 23:29 |
| soren | mtaylor: Did you have any concerns about uploading nova 0.9.0 now? | 23:29 |
| soren | To Ubuntu, that is. | 23:29 |
| mtaylor | soren: nope. | 23:31 |
| mtaylor | soren: are there any new revs interesting enough so that we should cut an 0.9.1 before upload? | 23:31 |
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| soren | mtaylor: All of them! | 23:39 |
| soren | mtaylor: Er... I don't know, I mean. | 23:39 |
| jk0 | causing trouble again soren? :P | 23:40 |
| soren | I do try. | 23:42 |
| * jk0 knows | 23:42 | |
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| vish1_ | soren: so we need a patch? | 23:46 |
| soren | vish1_: Yes, just add "import boto.s3.connection" at the top of nova/endpoint/images.py. | 23:47 |
| soren | ftw | 23:47 |
| vish1_ | soren: ok patching | 23:47 |
| soren | "boto.s3's __init__ no longer imports connection, so we need to explicitly import it." | 23:48 |
| soren | Err.. | 23:48 |
| soren | bs | 23:48 |
| soren | "boto.s3 no longer imports connection, so we need to explicitly import it." | 23:49 |
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| vish1_ | https://code.launchpad.net/~vishvananda/nova/fix-boto/+merge/31341 | 23:54 |
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| soren | I'm not really sure about this: When a nova-core person submits a merge proposal, does it still require two approvals? | 23:59 |
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