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| zul | soren: you'll have to add python-greenlets to the build-dep as well | 12:46 |
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| soren | zul: Will do. | 13:02 |
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| jaypipes | soren: you an admin on the glance project? wondering if you could make me one so I can get some stuff merged... | 13:17 |
| jaypipes | soren: oh, and good morning ;) | 13:17 |
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| jaypipes | annegentle: mornin. | 13:17 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: I'm in Columbus, Ohio. :) and yep, I'll get you some input on the docs. | 13:18 |
| annegentle | good morning :) | 13:18 |
| soren | jaypipes: Let me check. | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cool, love Columbus. I went to school at Miami U | 13:18 |
| jaypipes | soren: cheers | 13:18 |
| annegentle | and my sis lives there | 13:18 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: oh, nice! :) | 13:18 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: where are you based? | 13:18 |
| annegentle | I'm in Austin. Where it's 57 degrees F this morning. As an Ohioan I laugh at the shivering. Yet after 9 years here, I shiver. Go figure. | 13:19 |
| jaypipes | annegentle: :) 54 degrees here. and raining :) | 13:20 |
| annegentle | :) | 13:20 |
| soren | jaypipes: What sort of privs do you need to get stuff merged? | 13:20 |
| soren | jaypipes: Hudson merges stuff for glance? | 13:20 |
| jaypipes | soren: yep, but I cannot set a merge prop to Approved.. | 13:21 |
| soren | jaypipes: Ah, I see. Hang on. | 13:21 |
| jaypipes | soren: :) thx | 13:21 |
| soren | jaypipes: Can you approve merges for Nova? | 13:22 |
| * soren is trying to work out which bit to flick for this to work. | 13:22 | |
| jaypipes | soren: yes | 13:22 |
| * jaypipes figured soren would just hack the LP database ;) | 13:22 | |
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| soren | jaypipes: I actually can't approve stuff on Glance, either. | 13:25 |
| jaypipes | soren: ah, ok. I'll ask dendro-afk when he's up. thx for your help, though! | 13:25 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: can you approve merge props in glance? | 13:25 |
| soren | jaypipes: I'm kind of at a loss as to what decides whether one can do so. | 13:25 |
| jaypipes | soren: me too :) | 13:26 |
| soren | Oh. | 13:26 |
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| soren | jaypipes: If I'm right, only mtaylor can fix it. | 13:27 |
| jaypipes | hmmm | 13:27 |
| soren | jaypipes: Yup, I think it's determined by the default branch reviewer. | 13:28 |
| soren | jaypipes: The branch is owned by hudson, and I think only mtaylor has that login. | 13:28 |
| soren | jaypipes: For nova, the default branch reviewer is nova-core. | 13:28 |
| soren | jaypipes: For glance, it seems to be unset, so it defaults to the branch owner. | 13:29 |
| jaypipes | soren: gotcha. ok, I'll ask mtaylor to look into changing that. | 13:29 |
| zul | annegentle: ooh...cold ;) | 13:29 |
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| annegentle | zul: I know, right?! :) | 13:30 |
| zul | annegentle: only 11C here :P | 13:30 |
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| mtaylor | jaypipes: whoops. sorry about that! | 14:18 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: reviewer changed | 14:19 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: cheers and thx! | 14:39 |
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| mtaylor | jaypipes: let me know when you get that nosetests thing worked out and I'll update tarmac | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: will do. | 14:43 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/glance-tarmac/393/console | 15:38 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: not sure about that one... | 15:38 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: NICE | 15:39 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: sigh | 15:39 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: ok. hang on... | 15:39 |
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| mtaylor | jaypipes: fixed | 15:45 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: I was apparently either really tired or really lazy when I pushed the new branch :) | 15:46 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: :) no worries, thx! | 15:46 |
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| eday | gundlach: reviewing the servers-api branch and then will look at etherpad for next highest priority task | 17:36 |
| gundlach | eday: thanks! hold up on the review | 17:36 |
| eday | eh? ok... | 17:36 |
| gundlach | it should only be two files but is huge for some reason | 17:37 |
| gundlach | seems i'm not merging from somewhere where code has been changed out from under me | 17:37 |
| eday | well, you are building on _cerberus_'s servers-api branch which doesn't appear to be merged yet | 17:37 |
| gundlach | oh, i see -- i'm merging into trunk. i coulda sworn i was merging into his branch. | 17:38 |
| gundlach | yeah | 17:38 |
| gundlach | lemme go make a new one | 17:38 |
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| gundlach | eday: https://code.launchpad.net/~gundlach/nova/servers_api/+merge/36763 | 17:49 |
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| soren | eday: So, slackdb, huh? | 18:49 |
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| eday | soren: yup :) | 18:51 |
| soren | eday: Nova doesn't keep you busy enough :) | 18:52 |
| eday | soren: Hehe, it does, but I miss lower level work. Need something to keep me sane (or insane? I dunno) | 18:55 |
| soren | eday: I thought Drizzle was meant to support this kind of thing, though? | 18:56 |
| soren | eday: Eventually, anyways. | 18:56 |
| eday | soren: Well, I don't think it ever plans on giving up ACID properties or supporting multi-master configs | 18:56 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #649188 in nova "RS API is still on Redis" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649188 | 18:57 |
| eday | soren: At least it wasn't when I was working on it. It should be easier to manage for RDS-like installs or single-master multi-tenant clusters | 18:57 |
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| eday | soren: slackdb is quite a bit different in the local data storage and replication model, more like couchdb but relational | 18:57 |
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| soren | eday: Ok. | 18:59 |
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| soren | eday: I don't know, man... I've never written an RDBMS before, but it sounds like a lot of work :) | 19:00 |
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| eday | soren: Like I mentioned in the blog post, it's not trying to be a full-featured RDBMS right from the start, just enough to make a couple popular webapps to function | 19:02 |
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| eday | soren: it will still be a fair amount of work for sure, but someone needs to do it :) | 19:03 |
| eday | soren: patches welcome! | 19:03 |
| soren | eday: Uh.. Yeah, about that.. don't wait up :D | 19:04 |
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| eday | soren: aww, cmon... ;) | 19:07 |
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| eday | gundlach, _cerberus_, soren: Just claimed the shared_ip_groups actions form the etherpad, looking into those | 19:24 |
| _cerberus_ | thanks eday | 19:25 |
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| soren | eday: Cool! | 19:47 |
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| Pentheus | Is anyone doing any open source work on SWIFT and handling X-CDN-Enabled? | 20:01 |
| creiht | Pentheus: There has been talk, but nothing specific yet | 20:02 |
| creiht | We just added public container support in swift | 20:02 |
| Pentheus | creiht: Yeah I'm speaking more in terms of public containers then CDN functionality, specifically | 20:03 |
| creiht | which may give you what you are looking for, but doesn't handle anything like having edge servers for CDN like availability | 20:03 |
| Pentheus | creiht: That's in trunk? I thought I was looking at trunk... | 20:03 |
| creiht | Pentheus: cool, then that feature is in the current truck, but we are still testing it | 20:03 |
| Pentheus | creiht: Got it, i'll update then.. thank you! | 20:03 |
| creiht | It is part of the new auth/acl stuff | 20:03 |
| Pentheus | creiht: I was afraid I was going to have to roll up my sleeves :-) | 20:03 |
| _0x44 | creiht: You guys got public containers done for Austin? | 20:04 |
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| _0x44 | creiht: Does the python-cloudfiles module support them yet? | 20:04 |
| creiht | _0x44: yes | 20:04 |
| creiht | no to python-cloudfiles | 20:05 |
| creiht | I think the swift.common.client has support though | 20:05 |
| _0x44 | Too bad, Glance/teller is using python-cloudfiles. I didn't know about swift.common.client. | 20:05 |
| Pentheus | I wouldn't see how cloudfiles would be supported already, since cloudfiles' makepublic is very cdn specific | 20:05 |
| creiht | swift.common.client is a closer mapping to the REST calls in swift | 20:05 |
| creiht | Pentheus: yeah it is very different from cdn | 20:06 |
| creiht | Pentheus: I'm trying to find the docs on it | 20:06 |
| creiht | for you | 20:06 |
| _0x44 | Pentheus: I was just meaning the client, since that's what I used to get teller to talk to Swift | 20:07 |
| creiht | _0x44: http://swift.openstack.org/misc.html#swift.common.client.post_container | 20:07 |
| creiht | with the right metadata to set the container public | 20:07 |
| _0x44 | If I have time this week, I'll rewrite the swift backend to support that client instead. | 20:08 |
| _0x44 | Thanks creiht | 20:08 |
| creiht | np | 20:08 |
| creiht | We are planning on doing something with python-cloudfiles to support both RS and swift, but there are more pressing things at the moment :) | 20:09 |
| creiht | Pentheus: I thought there was better documentation | 20:11 |
| Pentheus | creiht: Having trouble finding anything in trunk | 20:11 |
| creiht | http://swift.openstack.org/misc.html#acls | 20:11 |
| creiht | touches it a bit | 20:12 |
| Pentheus | creiht: ah | 20:12 |
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| creiht | Pentheus: it is all done in container metadata | 20:13 |
| creiht | so you do a POST to a container | 20:14 |
| Pentheus | creiht: Set some magic meta data, and wala, the acls are public from the proxy? | 20:14 |
| creiht | the metadata key is X-Container-Read | 20:14 |
| Pentheus | creiht: rather, and the object can be fetched freely from the proxy | 20:14 |
| creiht | with the value of '.ref:*' | 20:14 |
| creiht | yes | 20:14 |
| creiht | .ref stands for referrer | 20:14 |
| creiht | so you could do | 20:14 |
| creiht | .ref:www.mysite.com | 20:15 |
| Pentheus | creiht: Referrer I assume in this case is standard HTTP env referrer | 20:15 |
| creiht | yes | 20:15 |
| creiht | not perfect | 20:15 |
| creiht | but useful to some people at times | 20:15 |
| Pentheus | creiht: Its a start, I think this is a good building block | 20:15 |
| creiht | but the common use case is to just use .ref:* | 20:15 |
| creiht | which actually gets shortened to .r:* | 20:15 |
| creiht | You can also give read/write access to other users/accounts | 20:16 |
| Pentheus | creiht: I will have to hack something in to stop people from accessing the proxies directly for .r:* objects, as I would rather public requests be routed through some cache (read: squid network) | 20:16 |
| creiht | yeah... it would be preferred to have some sort of cache to sit in front (like suqid or varnish) | 20:16 |
| creiht | the st tool can also be used as a command line tool to set permissions | 20:17 |
| Pentheus | creiht: excellent thank you, this will work for us | 20:19 |
| creiht | cool | 20:19 |
| creiht | functionality wise it should work, but we haven't fully performance tested it yet | 20:19 |
| creiht | if you run into any issues, please let us know :) | 20:19 |
| Pentheus | I will...and I assume X-CDN-Enable was not hijacked because that would be nasty since this isn't CDN functionality at all, so you mentioned in time cloudfiles would be given a pass over to support X-Container-Read? | 20:21 |
| creiht | correct | 20:22 |
| creiht | it may or may not make it as an actual feature of cloudfiles | 20:23 |
| Pentheus | understood | 20:24 |
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| soren | Gawd, I'm tired for firewalls right now. | 20:29 |
| soren | s/for/of/ | 20:29 |
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| jaypipes | sirp1: alrighty, image service now has unit tests in Nova... going to hook in Glance shortly. https://code.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/nova/add-glance | 20:47 |
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| sirp1 | jaypipes: awesome, let _0x44 or I know if you have any questions about Nova <-> Teller interactoins | 20:50 |
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| jaypipes | sirp1: got docs on the API calls? those would be helpful :) | 20:53 |
| sirp1 | jaypipes: don't have anything at the moment (other than what it's in the blueprint, which is pretty-highlevel). i'll ping _0x44 and see if we can whip up a quick spec for the GET image request | 20:55 |
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| mtaylor | jaypipes: there's some new features in taramc... thinking about upgrading us | 21:00 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: like, they've got one now that enforces vote count in addition to merge prop status | 21:01 |
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| eday | mtaylor: cool.. does it differentiate approves from different groups (-core vs public)? | 21:03 |
| mtaylor | eday: not sure - I need to pull and look | 21:03 |
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| mtaylor | eday: doesn't look like it - I imagine it wouldn't be a hard patch to add though | 21:09 |
| gundlach | eday: in case you weren't aware, i'm ready for your review of the serialization code at https://code.launchpad.net/~gundlach/nova/servers_api/+merge/36763 | 21:09 |
| gundlach | (which is a new mergeprop after i deleted the one merging to trunk) | 21:09 |
| eday | gundlach: ok, will take a look | 21:10 |
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| vishy | soren: here? | 21:27 |
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| ooooPsss | hey, can you please describe openstack use cases in few sentences? ;) | 21:39 |
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| vishy | hello again | 21:42 |
| devcamcar | greetings | 21:42 |
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| soren | vishy: I am. | 21:46 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: nice :) | 21:55 |
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| jaypipes | sirp1: k, cheers | 21:55 |
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| jaypipes | devcamcar: yo. | 21:55 |
| vishy | soren: any ideas on security group stuff? | 21:56 |
| vishy | soren: still had no luck on lucid | 21:56 |
| soren | vishy: I'm sorting out the last few things now. | 21:56 |
| soren | vishy: I've been pulling hairs out all day. | 21:56 |
| vishy | soren: we've been considering switching to maverick but i think it is too close to release for us to upgrade | 21:57 |
| vishy | soren: much appreciated | 21:57 |
| soren | vishy: No need. Lucid should be fine. | 21:57 |
| soren | vishy: Just gimme another half hour or so. | 21:58 |
| vishy | soren: ok, also jesse and i had a couple questions about the implementation | 21:59 |
| soren | vishy: Shoot. | 21:59 |
| vishy | anotherjesse is logging in now | 22:00 |
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| anotherjesse | soren: perhaps I'm missing something but how do VMs in the same security group (or project) talk with each other? | 22:00 |
| soren | anotherjesse: Hmmm.. | 22:00 |
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| vishy | soren: another question while you are digesting that one. If a user launches an instance without allowing udp port 68, will it be able to receive dhcp packets? | 22:07 |
| soren | vishy: DHCP is sorted out, yes. | 22:07 |
| vishy | soren: ah cool | 22:07 |
| soren | vishy: Wrt. to instances in same security groups being able to reach each other... I haven't considered that :( | 22:08 |
| soren | vishy: Do you have any ideas for how to filter that (apart from just passing a great big list of allowed IP's)? | 22:09 |
| vishy | hmm: our basic idea in the vlan world is that all hosts within a project can communicate freely | 22:09 |
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| soren | vishy: Oh, it makes sense. I just didn't consider it. | 22:09 |
| vishy | at the very least we would need the ability to specify rules separately for public vs inside vlan | 22:09 |
| vishy | soren: each project has its own subnet | 22:09 |
| vishy | soren: so it wouldn't have to be an explicit list of ips | 22:10 |
| soren | How do projects map to security groups, you think? | 22:10 |
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| soren | An instance can belong to multiple security groups. | 22:10 |
| vishy | soren: in flat networking world, I don't think free access within a project makes sense | 22:10 |
| vishy | since everything has a public ip | 22:10 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: ping | 22:11 |
| vishy | soren: we could create a specific security group for each project | 22:11 |
| vishy | soren: and put it in as a parent filter rule of the instance filter rule? | 22:11 |
| soren | Come to think of it, I think security groups belong to a project. | 22:12 |
| soren | Hm.. Yeah, this shouldn't be too hard to add. | 22:12 |
| vishy | soren: I agree. In the aws world you can share security groups | 22:12 |
| vishy | soren: but i don't really see the point | 22:12 |
| soren | Er? | 22:12 |
| soren | How so? | 22:12 |
| vishy | soren: you can authorize access from a group defined by another user | 22:14 |
| soren | Oh, sure. | 22:14 |
| soren | (That is not implemented here, by the way) | 22:14 |
| vishy | yeah i don't think we need that at the moment | 22:14 |
| vishy | maybe someday, but we could possibly just pass project_id as user_id | 22:15 |
| vishy | unless it is like S3 where it has to be numeric | 22:15 |
| vishy | anyway, I don't want to distract you from getting the lucid version working, perhaps we can figure out the within-project changes afterwards. | 22:16 |
| vishy | we need to figure it out this week though | 22:16 |
| vishy | :) | 22:16 |
| soren | Are you guys on a different release schedule than the rest of us? | 22:17 |
| vishy | soren: yes | 22:17 |
| soren | Care to share? | 22:17 |
| vishy | soren: our 1.0 release is on monday | 22:17 |
| vishy | :) | 22:17 |
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| soren | Oh. | 22:18 |
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| soren | I feel very, very close indeed to getting this stuff working. | 22:18 |
| soren | Once I stop having to deal with laundry and a waking baby it shoulnd't be more than 15 minutes. | 22:19 |
| vishy | soren: cool, let me know and i'll give it a test | 22:19 |
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| soren | vishy: While you wait, you could review my network-fixes branch? | 22:28 |
| soren | vishy: Oh, you did! | 22:28 |
| vishy | soren: i did already | 22:28 |
| vishy | :) | 22:28 |
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| soren | vishy: Your approach sounds better. | 22:29 |
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| vishy | soren: ok the one thing is that host is set in init. We could pass it in to init_hosts, but it is available as self.host | 22:30 |
| vishy | almost got CRL's working, which is probably completely useless to anyone but us | 22:30 |
| vishy | :) | 22:30 |
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| soren | What do you use certificates for? | 22:31 |
| soren | Excuse for a minute while I scream at the top of my lungs. | 22:32 |
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| vishy | soren: they are used for bundling images and for vpns | 22:36 |
| soren | vishy: Ah, right. | 22:38 |
| soren | Funny. A couple of days ago, I would have rated myself as pretty effing good at this networking business. Now... Less so. | 22:44 |
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| mtaylor | soren: don't you love days like that? | 22:54 |
| soren | mtaylor: I certainly have strong feelings for them. | 22:56 |
| mtaylor | :) | 22:56 |
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| xtoddx | I'm having issues with swift authentication | 23:02 |
| xtoddx | when GETting an account it is failing | 23:02 |
| creiht | xtoddx: failing in which way? | 23:02 |
| xtoddx | after looking through the auth middleware, i'm noticing that req.acl is None | 23:02 |
| creiht | paste? | 23:02 |
| xtoddx | so parsing groups gives me none to match agains | 23:02 |
| xtoddx | 403 Forbidden | 23:03 |
| creiht | hrm | 23:03 |
| creiht | xtoddx: are you using the current swift middleware? or do you have some custom auth middlware now? | 23:04 |
| xtoddx | this is a pure swift environment | 23:04 |
| creiht | k | 23:04 |
| xtoddx | my req.remote_user gives me groups of test:tester, test | 23:04 |
| creiht | k | 23:05 |
| xtoddx | i'm not admin | 23:05 |
| xtoddx | if I were admin, would i have the AUTH_XXXXXX in my groups? | 23:05 |
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| creiht | correct | 23:05 |
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| creiht | forgot the --admin when creating the user? | 23:05 |
| xtoddx | do i need to be admin to stat an account? | 23:06 |
| creiht | yes | 23:06 |
| creiht | by default a non admin user has no rights | 23:06 |
| creiht | until you add them to a container | 23:08 |
| xtoddx | so can i still create containers and upload files w/o being admin? | 23:11 |
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| devcamcar | hey creih | 23:16 |
| devcamcar | *t! | 23:16 |
| devcamcar | i'm a bit confused - what is the purpose of requiring --admin to create a container? | 23:16 |
| devcamcar | especially considering the limits on the number of files that can be put in a container | 23:16 |
| devcamcar | i assume that the container names are essentially "first come first serve" | 23:17 |
| devcamcar | and that as long as my users creates a container, i can do whatever i want with it | 23:17 |
| devcamcar | *my user | 23:17 |
| devcamcar | is this just a quirk of the dev auth system? | 23:17 |
| devcamcar | we are only using it for a small internal storage system for our ops team, that for itsec reasons needs to be a separate silo than our production facing swift | 23:18 |
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| Pentheus | creiht: Setting {'X-Container-Read': '.ref:*'} metadata doesn't really get me passed Missing Auth Token http errors on the proxy, a pre-req on the proxy server, which doesn't appear to be able to be yanked out lightly. I think this is in the early stages of implementation or I am misusing? | 23:24 |
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| devcamcar | creiht: once upon a time when i installed an old version of swift from the dev ppa, it installed the init.d scripts as well. are those available anywhere now? | 23:33 |
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| soren | vishy: Ok, I'm about to pass out. I've pushed my most recent stuff to Launchpad. Something is screwing up the filtering, and I can't work it out. I can't think clearly anymore. | 23:47 |
| vishy | soren: ok | 23:47 |
| soren | vishy: Feel free to test things out and lend a helping hand. | 23:47 |
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| vishy | soren: does it actually run on lucid now? | 23:48 |
| soren | vishy: It was never a lucid problem. | 23:48 |
| vishy | soren: oh, you saw the email with the errors I was getting? | 23:48 |
| soren | vishy: You saw my reply? | 23:48 |
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| soren | Weird, I can't reach www.rackspacecloud.com. | 23:49 |
| vishy | soren: no, I haven't seen anything | 23:49 |
| soren | Or anything *.rackspace.com. | 23:49 |
| soren | vishy: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/ec2-security-groups/+merge/36119 <---- Towards the end of the thread. | 23:50 |
| soren | vishy: About 80% down. | 23:50 |
| vishy | weird, didn't get an email for that one | 23:50 |
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| soren | vishy: Oh, maybe I didn't CC you. And you don't seem to be subscribed to the mp. | 23:51 |
| * soren gives up for the day | 23:52 | |
| vishy | yeah that is odd | 23:52 |
| vishy | k i'll try and fiddle | 23:52 |
| soren | g'night. | 23:52 |
| soren | vishy: Thanks, much appreciated. | 23:52 |
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