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| uvirtbot | New bug: #658029 in swift "auditors cause too high load on the system" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658029 | 01:21 |
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| alekibango | hello. i am new to puppet. Is puppet able to install whole systems, including disk partitioning (like debian fai project)? from docs i would say no, but i am not sure... | 09:59 |
| alekibango | heh wrong window :) | 09:59 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #658234 in nova "Image type is not taken into consideration when generating image ID" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658234 | 10:41 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #658237 in nova "Default kernel and ramdisk from image manifest are ignored" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658237 | 10:46 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #658257 in nova "get_console_output fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658257 | 11:01 |
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| soren | alekibango: Did you find an answer? | 11:25 |
| alekibango | yep | 11:25 |
| soren | Ok. | 11:25 |
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| alekibango | what configuration management tool is best to be used with openstack servers and guests? what do you think? | 11:27 |
| alekibango | and automated installation (fai, foreman,...) | 11:27 |
| alekibango | this is one of things missing in nova manuals... | 11:28 |
| alekibango | if you have some experience with some those tools, please write something into nova manual wikis | 11:29 |
| alekibango | or at least share it here | 11:29 |
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| BK_man | anybody tried xCAT as provitioning engine for OpenStack VMs? | 11:43 |
| alekibango | BK_man: not me, but at least i have read about xcat in the past :) | 11:45 |
| alekibango | thats why i am askin. if you have *some* experience with *anything*, that should go into wiki to help others | 11:45 |
| alekibango | i definitelly would love to have suggested 'best practices' for openstack, whatever they are | 11:46 |
| BK_man | alekibango: ok. I'm a HPC cluster admin in the past and now try to get familiar with IaaS. Trying to learn OpenStack | 11:46 |
| alekibango | BK_man: most people here are trying to undestand what openstack is... :) | 11:47 |
| alekibango | including me | 11:47 |
| BK_man | alekibango: do you know OpenStack current scaling limits? 4example, VMware vCloud is now limited by 10K VMs | 11:47 |
| alekibango | planned to do 10^6 hosts and 60*10^6 guests | 11:47 |
| alekibango | from PR notes on the web | 11:48 |
| alekibango | but not tested | 11:48 |
| alekibango | :) | 11:48 |
| alekibango | hm nice faq for wikis... :) | 11:48 |
| BK_man | ok. I know that there will be a released on 21th of October - does this include web console? | 11:48 |
| BK_man | thanks, God, that IRC channel have logs :) | 11:49 |
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| alekibango | lolz :) | 11:49 |
| alekibango | BK_man: wait a moment, will look | 11:49 |
| alekibango | https://code.launchpad.net/nova/+activereviews - unmerged proposals. very good link | 11:49 |
| alekibango | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova -- nova blueprints | 11:51 |
| alekibango | in blueprints, one of them is of your interest | 11:51 |
| alekibango | it has approved design and good progress | 11:52 |
| alekibango | for AUSTIN :) | 11:52 |
| alekibango | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/austin - blueprints for austin | 11:52 |
| alekibango | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/austin-web-based-serial-console | 11:52 |
| alekibango | ansolab is working on it, so ask vishy about status :) | 11:53 |
| alekibango | those links are very good to watch | 11:53 |
| BK_man | alekibango: thanks a lot! will look... | 11:58 |
| alekibango | NOTE: agenda for weekly openstack meeting is 2 weeks old. this should be worked on! | 11:58 |
| alekibango | dendrobates: ^^ | 11:58 |
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| alekibango | there is too many directions you can go, when we will collectively agree on something as 'best' solution which will work for anyone - that would be great. Having documented best ways to do something will enable us to FOCUS. Focus will give progression. | 12:08 |
| alekibango | so, if there is someone who is willing to try LEADING in configuration management for NOVA, please stand up... | 12:08 |
| jonwood | It's something I'm interested in, but I'm afraid I don't have the time to lead things. | 12:09 |
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| alekibango | jonwood: we do not neet lots of time.. just saying : this worked for me - with this and this | 12:11 |
| alekibango | could help a ton | 12:11 |
| alekibango | others might start documentng the way further | 12:11 |
| alekibango | we do not need managers, only propthets | 12:12 |
| alekibango | prophets* | 12:12 |
| alekibango | you know, thsoe people who can see... | 12:12 |
| soren | alekibango: I use Puppet myself. For installing physical servers, I tend towards preseed files and PXE booting, but it's been a while since I've used anything like that for anything serious. | 12:13 |
| alekibango | soren: on puppet they told me that for installing (partitioning,... ) physical machines you could use http://www.theforeman.org | 12:13 |
| alekibango | i have some experience with fai | 12:14 |
| alekibango | which is more low-level :) but nice | 12:14 |
| alekibango | this writes about chef for virtual hosts: http://openstack.org/blog/2010/08/chef-meets-the-ipad-with-openstack/ | 12:15 |
| alekibango | we need solution for both, virtual and physical hosts - and best would be to use the same | 12:15 |
| alekibango | (or not?) | 12:15 |
| soren | *shrug* | 12:16 |
| jonwood | Once the machine is running an OS, it's a matter of choice as to whether you use Chef or Puppet. | 12:16 |
| jonwood | Probably depending largely on what sort of experience you have already. | 12:16 |
| alekibango | anyway = here we wrote some basic structure for deployment manual - and configuration management space needs our help: http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaDeploymentManual | 12:17 |
| alekibango | as most other parts | 12:17 |
| alekibango | please help if you can! | 12:17 |
| soren | In either case, I'd probably recommend you use whatever your distro recommends. | 12:17 |
| alekibango | jonwood: if we could collectively agree that chef/puppet is the way to go, we should document both | 12:17 |
| soren | If your host and guest distro are the same.... sure, use the same. | 12:17 |
| alekibango | at least by giving few links and tips | 12:18 |
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| jonwood | I can't help feeling that Chef and Puppet are out of scope for Nova documentation. | 12:18 |
| alekibango | later even howtos - howto integrate well | 12:18 |
| jonwood | Once you've got Nova up and running, and creating VMs, what you do with those VMs is down to what you need. | 12:18 |
| jonwood | At that point they're just servers. | 12:18 |
| alekibango | well, you might want to have 3 clusters in your nova cloud, in different places ... and you want to manage them easily... | 12:19 |
| alekibango | this at least deserves some notes in the docs | 12:19 |
| alekibango | i am not talking about 20 pages of docs with screenshots | 12:20 |
| alekibango | and if that cloud u have is private, you might want to manage all your guests also | 12:20 |
| alekibango | that means you NEED some good configuration management tool | 12:21 |
| alekibango | we could suggest few good ones | 12:21 |
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| jonwood | OK, I see where you're coming from. It's unlikely to be before the Austin release, but I'll almost certainly be writing Chef cookbooks to deploy Nova anyway, so I'll make sure they're somewhere accessible. | 12:24 |
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| alekibango | thanks jonwood :) | 12:24 |
| annegentle_ | good morning all | 12:28 |
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| alekibango | annegentle_: good afternoon | 12:31 |
| alekibango | :) | 12:31 |
| annegentle_ | hee :) | 12:35 |
| soren | annegentle_: o/ | 12:37 |
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| annegentle_ | ok, then I won't wish you all a happy Columbus day :) | 12:41 |
| soren | No, it's okay. We celebrate by working. | 12:43 |
| soren | annegentle_: I finally got around to writing those instructions for Nova I've been meaning to do for a while now: http://blog.warma.dk/2010/10/11/openstack-nova-in-maverick/ | 12:44 |
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| alekibango | soren: nice one. | 12:46 |
| annegentle_ | soren: excellent, may I borrow heavily from these for the wiki? | 12:47 |
| soren | annegentle_: That was the intention :) | 12:47 |
| annegentle_ | soren: w00t. And I'll take a stab at the Swift instructions. | 12:47 |
| annegentle_ | soren: this is turning into a very productive Monday already, thanks! :) | 12:48 |
| soren | annegentle_: Happy to be of service :) | 12:49 |
| jonwood | soren: Nice - how recent is that snapshot? | 12:57 |
| soren | jonwood: Very. | 13:01 |
| soren | From Thursday or thereabouts. | 13:01 |
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| jonwood | Excellent :) That looks a damn sight easier then trying to run from source. | 13:06 |
| soren | jonwood: That's the point of linux distros :) | 13:08 |
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| * soren loves this weather... 12.1 degrees (celcius, that is (~54 in fahrenheit)), sunny and virtually no wind. | 13:18 | |
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| Abd4llA | hi alekibango | 13:44 |
| Abd4llA | I see that wiki pages got created :) | 13:44 |
| alekibango | we have updated goals at our etherpad now :) | 13:45 |
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| dendrobates | good morning/afternoon | 13:46 |
| dendrobates | jaypipes: around? | 13:47 |
| dendrobates | there are now 18 merge requests, we are moving backwards. | 13:48 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: yup | 13:52 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: I'm on it... | 13:52 |
| dendrobates | hey did you see the hyperv patch hit this weekend? | 13:53 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: yup, but unfortunately, I'll defer to soren on that. I have zero clue. | 13:53 |
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| dendrobates | jaypipes: that merge request line wasn't directed at you personally, | 13:53 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: :) I know. | 13:53 |
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| jaypipes | dendrobates: I was just saying that I was on it. ;) After breakfast, though :) | 13:54 |
| dendrobates | soren and I have looked at it, and feel that it is too late and not complete enough for Austin. | 13:54 |
| dendrobates | I'm going to send out an email to the whole team asking people to rescind merge requests that they no longer need. | 13:56 |
| dendrobates | some have been there a while in 'needs to be fixed' state | 13:56 |
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| dendrobates | annegentle: how was rookio? | 13:59 |
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| dendrobates | hello world. Is anyone out there? | 14:26 |
| jonwood | Hello | 14:27 |
| dendrobates | sorry, the stress of the upcoming release is taking it's toll on my sanity | 14:28 |
| dendrobates | jonwood: are you a developer? | 14:30 |
| jonwood | I am *a* developer. Not an OpenStack one though. | 14:30 |
| jonwood | Just an interested onlooker | 14:31 |
| dendrobates | that's what I meant. If you were an openstack dev I would know you. What are you interested in? We need lots of help/ | 14:31 |
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| alekibango | dendrobates: i proposed little but important fix merge, but i have some problems with required unit test. As the one i have is failing too much :) working on it.... | 14:32 |
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| jonwood | dendrobates: Mostly I'm just interested in how large scale cloud deployments actually work. | 14:33 |
| dendrobates | alekibango: feel free to ask for help with the tests if they keep giving you trouble | 14:34 |
| alekibango | dendrobates: yes, in next round i will. i have also 100 other tasks, you know :) | 14:35 |
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| notmyname | jonwood: for storage, we've got some architectural notes at swift.openstack.org | 14:38 |
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| annegentle | dendrobates: Rookie-o was honestly amazing. And I'm not a gusher but wow. Fanatical. | 14:53 |
| dendrobates | annegentle: I know, a lot of people complain about it, but I really enjoyed it. | 14:55 |
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| dendrobates | jaypipes: are you done with: lp:~jaypipes/nova/add-glance | 15:08 |
| dendrobates | it seems ready to go. | 15:09 |
| dendrobates | Can I mark it approved? You just needed to fix the conflicts, which seem to be done. | 15:09 |
| dendrobates | We should merge it before more are created | 15:09 |
| dendrobates | jaypipes: ^^^ | 15:12 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #658444 in nova "ec2 terminate_instances has incorrect keyword arg" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658444 | 15:21 |
| BK_man | ppl, what kind of API Openstack supports? I mean REST / SOAP / etc | 15:26 |
| gundlach | BK_man: the Compute project within OpenStack supports 2 APIs: the Amazon EC2 API, and the OpenStack API, which is RESTful. | 15:28 |
| BK_man | gundlach: thanks! I need to write a comparition table for Openstack and proprietary VMware vCloud - so I might asking something else here soon :-) | 15:29 |
| gundlach | BK_man: no problem :) | 15:29 |
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| BK_man | Am I right that there are two hypervisors available to use: Citrix Xen and KVM? | 15:32 |
| dendrobates | BK_man: User mode linux also works and is great for testing. | 15:33 |
| dendrobates | BK_man: not sure about UML for production though. | 15:33 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: add-glance is obselete. | 15:33 |
| BK_man | I mean production | 15:33 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: glance-image-service replaced it. I'll delete that branch. | 15:33 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: and that is in trunk already | 15:34 |
| dendrobates | jaypipes: thanks | 15:34 |
| gundlach | _cerberus_: i was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/657001 and saw that you haven't changed references to 'rsapi' or 'rs' in the code. | 15:34 |
| dendrobates | jaypipes: have you heard form justinsb lately? | 15:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 657001 in nova "Change all references to Rackspace in the API code to Openstack" [High,Fix committed] | 15:34 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: no. :( | 15:34 |
| BK_man | Can I select which host will run my newly created VM in Openstack? | 15:34 |
| gundlach | are we not changing those because 'rsapi_subdomain' is part of the interface now (it's a flag) or shall i change those? | 15:34 |
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| dendrobates | BK_man: the scheduler does that for you. | 15:35 |
| BK_man | dendrobates: ok, this is by default. Which algorith is used for VM placement? | 15:36 |
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| gundlach | jaypipes: would you mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~gundlach/nova/lp658444/+merge/38127 ? It's a 2 line variable rename. | 15:36 |
| jaypipes | gundlach: yup, doing soren's then yours | 15:37 |
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| gundlach | jaypipes: tx | 15:50 |
| jaypipes | gundlach: all done. :) | 15:52 |
| gundlach | jaypipes: yep, i said thanks when i saw *both* of your approves :) | 15:53 |
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| kevnfx | vishy: I've assembled a pair of nodes, added the models.py fix, and verified the boto version. Am now getting a duplicate entry exception for the internal_id, which appears to be -1 ... | 16:17 |
| kevnfx | IntegrityError: (IntegrityError) (1062, "Duplicate entry '2147483647' for key 'internal_id'") ' | 16:17 |
| kevnfx | Is there another patch I'm missing? | 16:17 |
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| kevnfx | vishy: perhaps we're not casting the right name value to libvirt? (aside from the -1 issue). I don't appear to be seeing the correct name identifier from virsh ... | 16:33 |
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| jaypipes | soren: heya, could you merge trunk again for this branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/xen/+merge/38011 | 17:15 |
| jaypipes | soren: thx! | 17:15 |
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| jaypipes | gundlach: this code review would be good to get your eyes on: https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/ec2-security-groups/+merge/36119 | 17:18 |
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| dendrobates | jaypipes: it feels like it's just you and me today | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: :) | 17:37 |
| dendrobates | soren was working earlier and had an errand to run. | 17:37 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: gundlach is around too | 17:38 |
| gundlach | yeah, hi | 17:38 |
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| gundlach | jaypipes: reading soren's security groups diff | 17:38 |
| jaypipes | cool | 17:38 |
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| dendrobates | it looks like the there are quite a few conflicts with the merge proposals. | 17:42 |
| dendrobates | I think all the NASA guys are busy with their Nebula deploy. | 17:45 |
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| alekibango | btw how much is openstack ready for ipv6? | 18:15 |
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| dendrobates | alekibango: not at all, but it will be ASAP | 18:21 |
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| alekibango | thanks | 18:30 |
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| Abd4llA | I'm trying to run nova via nova.sh | 18:50 |
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| Abd4llA | first I got an exception about name can't be int in libvirt | 18:51 |
| Abd4llA | hacked compute/manager.py to str() the instance name | 18:52 |
| Abd4llA | now I have this error | 18:52 |
| Abd4llA | libvirt.libvirtError: Domain not found: no domain with matching name '918133529' | 18:52 |
| Abd4llA | full trace here http://pastebin.com/EkjPXe3W | 18:53 |
| Abd4llA | all this while trying to run the bundled image | 18:53 |
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| Abd4llA | Help :) | 18:54 |
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| alekibango | Abd4llA: see pvtmsg. its there | 19:08 |
| alekibango | maybe :) | 19:09 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: ping | 19:24 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: around? | 19:24 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates: the only merge conflicts I see was the flat-dhcp one. Which others? | 19:24 |
| sirp1 | jaypipes: present | 19:25 |
| dendrobates | I think that is the last one. | 19:25 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: hi! mind taking a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/glance/testing-overhaul/+merge/38147? If you approve, I can work with monty to have our Glance tests automated through Tarmac. | 19:25 |
| sirp1 | jaypipes: sure thing! | 19:26 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: thx! :) | 19:26 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: pong | 19:26 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: yes. easy to do once there are tests | 19:26 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: hi :) if sirp1 thinks https://code.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/glance/testing-overhaul/+merge/38147 is good to go, can you assist me in making Glance have the same test run in Tarmac as Nova? | 19:27 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: ok, thx :) | 19:27 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: that branch adds the tests. All you have to do is ./run_tests -V | 19:27 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: to run the test suite in a virtualenv. | 19:28 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: cool. you want me to add now? or once it's in? | 19:28 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: once sirp1 takes a gander at the above branch. | 19:28 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: ok - just so you know, for nova and swift we do not use virtualenvs on tarmac | 19:28 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: that's cool, too. (just remove -V) | 19:28 |
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| mtaylor | jaypipes: you know me - I get nitpicky about things :) | 19:29 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: :) no worries. at this point, there are no dependencies in Glance that Nova does not already have. | 19:29 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: any reason python setup.py test won't work? | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: other than this traceback: import unittest2 as unittest | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | ImportError: No module named unittest2 | 19:30 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: ah, yes. sorry :( | 19:30 |
| mtaylor | hehe | 19:30 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: as for python setup.py test, the reason that won't work is because this guy named Monty has been a bad friend and not helped me get that done :) | 19:31 |
| * jaypipes blames all on mtaylor | 19:31 | |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: actually - it _does_ work | 19:31 |
| mtaylor | it's just your tests don't work | 19:31 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: oh, in that case, I take all the credit. | 19:32 |
| jaypipes | damn... | 19:32 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: so - unittest2 doesn't exist in lucid | 19:32 |
| mtaylor | we're going to need to make some backport packages | 19:32 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: hmmm... | 19:32 |
| soren | mtaylor: I can handle that. | 19:32 |
| soren | mtaylor: It's hardly the first time.. | 19:32 |
| mtaylor | soren: you are amazing | 19:32 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: well, currently, I'm not using the unittest2 features (yet). I'll remove the dependency. | 19:32 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: even easier! | 19:32 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: I'll push a commit shortly. | 19:32 |
| soren | It builds cleanly on lucid (just checked). If we ever need it, ping me, I'll take care of it. | 19:33 |
| mtaylor | soren: cool. thanks! | 19:34 |
| soren | np | 19:34 |
| mtaylor | soren: I've probably asked like 70 times, but are you going to UDS-N? | 19:34 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: k, pushed. | 19:34 |
| soren | mtaylor: You haven't, actually, but yes, I am. | 19:34 |
| mtaylor | soren: cool. me too. | 19:34 |
| soren | \o/ | 19:34 |
| zul | conspiracy a foot | 19:35 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: ok. python setup.py test works just fine | 19:35 |
| jaypipes | rock. | 19:35 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: thx mate. | 19:35 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: just let me know and I can do :w in a vi window and tarmac will start doing that on glance | 19:36 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: will do. thx | 19:36 |
| * soren grumbles | 19:48 | |
| soren | jaypipes: Thanks for time import_object pointer in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/lp658257/+merge/38108 I sat there thinking "why is this necessary here and not over there" (while looking at a place that used import_object) and stared myself senseless without spotting the different method names :) | 19:51 |
| jaypipes | soren: :) | 19:51 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: so, good to approve and merge that branch? | 19:52 |
| sirp1 | yep, approved, we're good to go | 19:52 |
| dendrobates | mtaylor: are you going to UDS? | 19:53 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: cool, thx | 19:53 |
| alekibango | annegentle: are u here? | 19:55 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: also, not sure if you saw, but I converted most Glance bugs into blueprints and established some basic task dependencies for the blueprints. You can see what I mean by looking at the dependency graph here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/teller-api | 19:55 |
| klumpie | Following sorens great guide on installing on ubuntu 10.10, i get an error opening openssl.cnf using nova-manage project zipfile http://pastebin.com/8ZEFxyJ0. Anyone knowing whats wrong? do i need to set other env's than the EC2_ACCESS_KEY and EC2_SECRET_KEY? | 19:55 |
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| sirp1 | jaypipes: thanks, that's awesome. | 19:57 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: that's something you can only do with blueprints, not bugs. I like being able to visualize the tasks to complete a feature like that... | 19:58 |
| annegentle | alekibango: yep! | 19:58 |
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| sirp1 | jaypipes: ah ok, that's a pretty slick feature | 19:59 |
| jaypipes | sirp1: yeah, I like it... especially since the visualisation graph is clickable... :) | 19:59 |
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| jaypipes | sirp1: so, any updates on your glance stuff? been busy working on RS stuff? anything I can assist with? | 20:00 |
| Dorman | Hey guys | 20:01 |
| sirp1 | jaypipes: we'll we're kicking of another sprint on the RS side so busy today, but hoping to get into the groove with glance again tomorrow (or possibly tonight) | 20:01 |
| Dorman | I was added a feature request and I was wondering if I proposed to late | 20:02 |
| Dorman | I added it after Oct 1st. | 20:02 |
| sirp1 | probably need to pow-wow with you here shortly to see what we should begin next (more testing stuff, or adding features) | 20:02 |
| alekibango | just few thoughts.... i noted that in nova deployment -> architecture -> there is list of things, but those are mostly packages (for OS). Those should be listed somewhere, but not as architecture... :) i added links to 3 architecture pages, which are very different --> we need to somehow put those 3 into one page, which will have all diagrams and explanations... this one will be hard... | 20:02 |
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| jaypipes | sirp1: no probs. | 20:03 |
| alekibango | if anyone here could DRAW nice diagrams of possible nova cloud architectures, please start documenting that | 20:03 |
| alekibango | i would think that inkscape svg files would be best... | 20:03 |
| alekibango | (for pictures) | 20:03 |
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| jaypipes | alekibango: you mean like this? http://wiki.openstack.org/ArchitecturalOverview | 20:06 |
| alekibango | and http://wiki.openstack.org/Overview | 20:07 |
| alekibango | and http://nova.openstack.org/architecture.html | 20:07 |
| jaypipes | alekibango: of course, that page is entirely out-dated ;) | 20:07 |
| alekibango | we need only 1 page | 20:07 |
| alekibango | which will work | 20:07 |
| jaypipes | alekibango: agreed :) and kept up to date :) | 20:07 |
| alekibango | and will contain more architecture styles | 20:07 |
| alekibango | flat network... nested | 20:07 |
| alekibango | different storage options etc | 20:07 |
| soren | jaypipes: How to update that diagram? do we have the source? | 20:08 |
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| alekibango | i would start from scratch using inkscape | 20:08 |
| soren | *cough* graphviz *cough* | 20:08 |
| alekibango | :) | 20:09 |
| alekibango | could be | 20:09 |
| jaypipes | soren: no idea :( | 20:09 |
| alekibango | if someone of you guys can draw it by hand and scan it | 20:09 |
| alekibango | that would help also | 20:09 |
| alekibango | :) | 20:10 |
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| soren | Well, that diagram isn't /way/ off. | 20:11 |
| soren | It needs an arrow from compute workers to object store. | 20:11 |
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| soren | And the implicit arrows from everything to the centralised compontents should perhaps be slightly more explicit :) | 20:12 |
| soren | Oh, scratch my "needs an arrow from compute workers to object store" comment. | 20:12 |
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| mtaylor | dendrobates: yes | 20:16 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: so good to go on tarmac config? | 20:17 |
| alekibango | please, if there is anyone who could help, we need to prepare some documentation telling how to install nova on few (4) servers in reliable mode (HA) | 20:17 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: yep, all good. | 20:18 |
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| alekibango | dendrobates: your ipv6 info is in faq now (i was asked that 2 times today) | 20:18 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: done | 20:18 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: thx :) | 20:19 |
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| soren | alekibango: Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by HA in this context? | 20:29 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #658701 in nova "No way(?) to relate EC2 instance ID's to internal ID's." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658701 | 20:41 |
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| gundlach | soren: just read your bug report -- do you mean Instance.internal_id or Instance.id? | 20:48 |
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| gundlach | if it's internal_id, you just convert from base 36 to base 10 (after stripping off the "i-") | 20:49 |
| soren | gundlach: Instance.name, really. | 20:50 |
| soren | gundlach: I think. | 20:50 |
| gundlach | ohh. hm, no idea then :) | 20:50 |
| soren | gundlach: Whatever it is that is used to generate names for libvirt, for pathnames, and probably for aother stuff. | 20:50 |
| soren | gundlach: IIRC, .name just calls str(.internal_id). | 20:50 |
| gundlach | maybe what we could do is use the ec2 id for .name when it's created thru ec2, and use the Openstack ID for .name when created thru openstack | 20:50 |
| soren | gundlach: ...so let's pretend that was my answer. :) | 20:50 |
| gundlach | soren: yes i think you're right about that :) | 20:50 |
| gundlach | if we used the creating api's id for .name then it would also be a nice hint about where the instance came from. | 20:51 |
| soren | gundlach: That raises another question. | 20:51 |
| soren | gundlach: Can I (currently) see instances created through the EC2 API if I ask the OpenStack API? | 20:52 |
| * soren suspects so | 20:52 | |
| soren | gundlach: nova-manage should probably have a way to convert these things, regardless. | 20:53 |
| gundlach | soren: yes | 20:53 |
| gundlach | soren: the internal-id being convertible b/w apis was partially to meet the design req that instances be accessible thru both apis | 20:54 |
| soren | gundlach: Ah, yes, of course. | 20:54 |
| soren | Hmm... | 20:54 |
| gundlach | soren: there's much talk of OpenStack API v1.1 using a string ID, so we may be able to use base 36 or something and then the .names and external IDs would all be very similar | 20:54 |
| gundlach | [once we upgrade to 1.1] | 20:55 |
| soren | I don't think I (in the long term, at least) want a created_through_which_api sort of attribute on instances. | 20:55 |
| gundlach | soren: that's fine; we'll just make the .name be str(internal_id) then :) | 20:55 |
| gundlach | brb tabouli | 20:55 |
| soren | :( | 20:55 |
| soren | :) | 20:55 |
| alekibango | soren: i would say - make it resistant to failure of one (or more) hw components... | 20:56 |
| soren | Which API is used for creation can be used to define some defaults for various things, but once the instance exists, I don't think this information should matter. | 20:56 |
| soren | E.g. an instance created through the EC2 API would be transient by default, while one created through other API's would probably be persistent. | 20:57 |
| alekibango | soren: or will minimize impacts | 20:57 |
| soren | alekibango: Eh? | 20:57 |
| soren | alekibango: Oh, my question from earlier :) | 20:57 |
| alekibango | :) | 20:57 |
| soren | alekibango: Sorry, was in a different context, got confused. | 20:58 |
| alekibango | np | 20:58 |
| gundlach | back | 20:58 |
| gundlach | soren: i didn't know that ec2 instances were transient -- does that mean that when they crash they don't reboot or something? | 20:59 |
| gundlach | or that if we have to take down their host we don't bother to restart the instance, whereas an openstack instance would be restarted? | 20:59 |
| soren | gundlach: On EC2, yes. | 20:59 |
| soren | gundlach: In Nova, no. | 20:59 |
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| alekibango | soren: my customer wants to run around the cloud and randomly turn off some servers to see if it will go crazy :) | 20:59 |
| alekibango | and what impact it could have | 21:00 |
| soren | alekibango: Nova itself should be pretty good in that respect. You "just" need a good rabbitmq and mysql/postgresql/whateversql setup. | 21:00 |
| alekibango | and ldap? :) | 21:00 |
| soren | gundlach: If you use ldap, sure. | 21:00 |
| soren | Whoops | 21:00 |
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| alekibango | we should document how to do this, possible scenarios | 21:00 |
| soren | aliguori: If you use ldap, sure. | 21:00 |
| soren | ffs | 21:01 |
| alekibango | lol | 21:01 |
| alekibango | ic | 21:01 |
| soren | alekibango: If you use ldap, sure. | 21:01 |
| soren | Does anyone else want to be told that "if you use ldap, sure"? | 21:01 |
| alekibango | heh | 21:01 |
| soren | alekibango: You don't have to use ldap at all. | 21:01 |
| soren | alekibango: You can just put the users in the database. This is the default, actually. | 21:01 |
| alekibango | that might make me more happy btw | 21:02 |
| alekibango | i have some experience with ldap | 21:02 |
| alekibango | (bad ones) | 21:02 |
| alekibango | i would rather have clustered postgres 9.x | 21:02 |
| alekibango | soren: do you think you can help me with such howto? i promise to write most of the text, i just will need nova related info | 21:03 |
| soren | alekibango: For Nova, it's really simple. Have two of everything. | 21:03 |
| soren | alekibango: (or more) | 21:03 |
| soren | alekibango: Just run an API server on several boxes and point them all at the same message queue and you're golden. | 21:04 |
| soren | Oh, for the objectstore, it's slightly trickier, though. | 21:04 |
| soren | You need some sort of shared storage for that. | 21:04 |
| soren | :( | 21:04 |
| alekibango | well, glusterfs might work for now, but will be slower | 21:05 |
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| soren | I doubt you'll notice. | 21:07 |
| alekibango | i would love to have HA disk service too | 21:09 |
| alekibango | i mean virtual disks for my virtual machines backed by swift or sheepdog or whatever | 21:09 |
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| jonwood | soren: Am I right in thinking that Glance will eventually provide shared storage of some kind? | 21:25 |
| jonwood | I've seen mentions of it, but no documentation at all. | 21:25 |
| annegentle | yeah I'm trying to figure out where Glance fits too :) | 21:25 |
| soren | alekibango: We'll probably add sheepdog support in the next release. | 21:26 |
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| soren | alekibango: It looks like reasonably low-hanging fruit. | 21:27 |
| soren | jonwood: No. | 21:29 |
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| soren | jonwood: If you can define "shared storage", that would be helpful. | 21:29 |
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| jonwood | soren: Storage that will survive one or more nodes having an axe taken to them. | 21:30 |
| soren | jonwood: Ok. That's not glance's concern at all. | 21:30 |
| soren | jonwood: Sheepdog does that. | 21:30 |
| soren | jonwood: So, sheepdog basically does this: | 21:31 |
| soren | jonwood: You have a bunch of nodes with a bunch of storage. | 21:31 |
| soren | jonwood: On each of them, you volunteer some storage. | 21:31 |
| soren | jonwood: This storage gets aggregated into a great big pool of distributed, replicated block storage. | 21:32 |
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| soren | jonwood: So, if you need a VM with a 150GB disk, you just tell your sheepdog cluster to allocate such a blob, and then you point kvm (which has a driver for sheepdog) at this blob and it uses it as its storage backend. | 21:33 |
| jonwood | Ok, so you have sheepdog providing distributed storage. | 21:33 |
| soren | jonwood: When you set up sheepdog you tell it that you want X replicas of everything. | 21:33 |
| soren | jonwood: Right. | 21:33 |
| soren | jonwood: and it takes care of everything. | 21:33 |
| soren | Mind you, I've never used it. I don't know how stable or fast it is. | 21:34 |
| alekibango | kvm requires some patches for sheepdog iirc | 21:34 |
| soren | alekibango: Not anymore. | 21:35 |
| alekibango | good! | 21:35 |
| soren | alekibango: It was added upstream back in June. | 21:35 |
| jonwood | soren: So what does Glance do? I'm still trying to get my head round how everything fits together. | 21:35 |
| alekibango | would be nice to have sheepdog support for other virtualisation techs | 21:35 |
| soren | jonwood: Glance is an image registry and kind of a proxy. | 21:36 |
| alekibango | jonwood: thats why we need to write documentation, please help us to document on wiki what soren is saying now | 21:36 |
| alekibango | proxy? | 21:36 |
| jonwood | alekibango: One thing at a time ;) I'm still working on getting Nova to run at all at the moment. | 21:36 |
| alekibango | soren: jonwood is prolly confused also by 'image registry' | 21:36 |
| soren | So, (again this is just as I understand it) the idea is that Glance knows about various image stores. | 21:37 |
| alekibango | jonwood: you are not alone, do not dispair. did you try vishy's novascript? | 21:37 |
| jonwood | alekibango: I'm running through soren's blog post from earlier right now. | 21:37 |
| soren | ...and it provides an API for you to use those images. | 21:37 |
| jonwood | And converting it to a Chef cookbook at the same time. | 21:37 |
| alekibango | jonwood: on ubuntu? | 21:37 |
| jonwood | Yup | 21:37 |
| soren | So, for instance, Canonical has an image store for UEC images. | 21:37 |
| alekibango | jonwood: ok, try it taht way first | 21:38 |
| alekibango | i would love to see that cookbook :) | 21:38 |
| jonwood | Ok, so I could hit Glance and ask for the most recent UEC image, and that'll download and register it, and cache it locally? | 21:38 |
| soren | sirp1, jaypipes: I'm expecting one of you guys to correct me if I'm pulling to much stuff out of my arse. | 21:38 |
| soren | jonwood: Yes, precisely. | 21:38 |
| soren | jonwood: Well, semi-locally. | 21:38 |
| soren | jonwood: Not on the individual hosts. | 21:39 |
| jonwood | Yeah, locally as in on the same cluster | 21:39 |
| soren | jonwood: ..but on the glance server(s). | 21:39 |
| soren | jonwood: Right. | 21:39 |
| alekibango | can someone of you please draw some nice picture of this? | 21:40 |
| alekibango | to be published on the wiki? | 21:40 |
| alekibango | jonwood: ? | 21:40 |
| alekibango | :) | 21:40 |
| alekibango | jaypipes: ? | 21:40 |
| jonwood | Is glance something that's going to be around for Austin? | 21:41 |
| sirp1 | i wouldn't consider this a "nice picture", but i attached this to the original image-store blueprint http://wiki.openstack.org/ImageStores?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ImageStoreCreateFromPublicImage.jpg | 21:41 |
| alekibango | jonwood: no, will not be there for austin | 21:42 |
| alekibango | but soon after | 21:42 |
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| alekibango | (as the code now exists) | 21:42 |
| alekibango | wow. :) at least some try | 21:42 |
| alekibango | so how this 'cluster' stores the image? | 21:43 |
| jonwood | aliguori: From the looks of it it's using Swift there. | 21:44 |
| alekibango | lolz :) | 21:44 |
| alekibango | i mean how it caches it? | 21:44 |
| aliguori | alekibango, clearly, your name is too close in spelling to mine :-) | 21:45 |
| sirp1 | caching is planned, but the details aren't currently worked out for that, defintiely something we can discuss that the next summit | 21:45 |
| alekibango | sorry aliguori :) | 21:45 |
| aliguori | heh, np | 21:45 |
| alekibango | sirp1: thansk for input | 21:46 |
| sirp1 | alekibango: np :) | 21:46 |
| * soren heads bedwards | 21:46 | |
| alekibango | i still feel unsure about how this will wor | 21:46 |
| alekibango | k | 21:46 |
| alekibango | i will look into it few days later | 21:47 |
| jonwood | Night soren, thanks for clearing things up a bit | 21:48 |
| alekibango | yes, ty and gn8 | 21:48 |
| jonwood | Sweet - I have my first virtual machine running under Nova. | 21:48 |
| alekibango | congrats jonwood | 21:49 |
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| jonwood | alekibango: http://github.com/jellybob/blankpad-cookbooks/tree/master/openstack/ | 22:06 |
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| jonwood | As the disclaimer in the readme says, it's really rough. Right now it does just enough to get things running. | 22:07 |
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| jonwood | Also, it appears while I can start an instance, I can't shut it down again | 22:08 |
| jonwood | Anyway, time for bed I think. | 22:15 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #658762 in nova "nova flat networking will not accept non-default ips" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658762 | 22:26 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #658767 in nova "nova-network not displaying daemon specific flags in debug output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658767 | 22:31 |
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| jaypipes | soren: grr, yet another merge conflict for you to check into (ec2-sec groups branch...) | 22:48 |
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| Dorman | Hey guys, | 22:57 |
| Dorman | Posted a feature request and I was wondering if I proposed this request after Oct 1st? | 22:58 |
| Dorman | Just wondering what people thought of it. :) I you all are focused the release. | 23:02 |
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