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| uvirtbot | New bug: #678393 in nova "Error "NotFound: No network for bridge br100" occured when starting an instance." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678393 | 05:26 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #678395 in nova "Command "sudo tee /var/lib/nova/tmp/tmpuaJWRG/etc/network/interfaces" failed when starting an instance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/678395 | 05:51 |
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| ttx | o/ | 07:23 |
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| soren | ttx: o/ | 07:30 |
| ttx | adrian_otto: in LP you don't join a "project", you join a "team": so you'll find the "join the team" button on https://launchpad.net/~openstack , https://launchpad.net/~nova etc. | 07:30 |
| ttx | soren: good weekend ? | 07:30 |
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| soren | ttx: Meh. | 07:31 |
| soren | ttx: Spent most of it cleaning. | 07:31 |
| ttx | soren: I heard winter is early this year in Denmark. | 07:32 |
| soren | ttx: The grand pre-christmas-cleaning. | 07:32 |
| soren | ttx: Uh.. Yeah, it is.. | 07:32 |
| soren | ttx: How do you know that? | 07:32 |
| soren | ttx: We had 5-6 cm snow on Saturday, I think. | 07:32 |
| ttx | One of Lucie's best friend comes from Denmark. She was hoem to play with her this Saturday. Had a chat with the parents. | 07:33 |
| ttx | Had no clue that Denmark's highest point was like 68m high. | 07:33 |
| ttx | Not too good for snowboarding, I guess. | 07:34 |
| ttx | soren ^ | 07:34 |
| soren | ttx: Well, it's 172 m, really :) | 07:40 |
| ttx | soren: Ah! I guess their geography (or their French) is not that good. | 07:40 |
| soren | ttx: Still, not quite enough get a thrill going. | 07:40 |
| soren | We have an antenna that's over 400 m tall, though. | 07:42 |
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| soren | ttx: Err... The antenna itself is 315 m, but it's atop a hill whose top is 115 m above sea level. I believe that's the highest point we have. | 07:44 |
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| zykes- | does RackSpace use XenCloudPlatform ? | 09:50 |
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| tommyblue | Hello everybody. I'm trying openstack and i've some questions to ask, especially on storage background. I'm using "standard" machines, with their own internal disks. I'd like to build a low cost solution, so i don't have a SAN to attach to. Do you have solutions to suggest? | 10:44 |
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| ttx | eday, jk0, soren: Since the corresponding branch is merged, I'll mark https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-pylint-scores as Implemented. Feel free to correct me if there was more expected from it. | 10:57 |
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| soren | ttx: I wouldn't say it was implemented. Our pylint score is better, but there's still a lot of work to do. http://hudson.openstack.org/job/nova-pylint/ <---- that graph should ideally be 0. | 11:12 |
| ttx | ok, that's what I thought might be the case, hence me asking | 11:13 |
| soren | ttx: np | 11:13 |
| soren | tommyblue: If you don't need EBS support, you're fine. Just don't deploy nova-volume. | 11:14 |
| tommyblue | soren: ok, the real question is: how openstack (with multiple server install) reacts on failures? As example if i build a 2-server infrastructure and one of the servers crashes, the cloud still works? Does it continue working only if both servers were using SAN (and it's working) or it works still if they have internal storage? | 11:22 |
| ttx | eday, jk0, soren: marking it "slow progress" instead. | 11:23 |
| soren | ttx: good idea | 11:23 |
| soren | tommyblue: Openstack should deal with failures just fine. | 11:24 |
| soren | tommyblue: That may not be the answer you're looking for, though. | 11:24 |
| soren | tommyblue: If one of your compute nodes die, the VM's running on it will disappear. | 11:25 |
| tommyblue | soren: i don't know if it is :) I'm new with cloud and i must understand how it works | 11:25 |
| tommyblue | soren: but how can i supply HA if the VM on a node will disappear if it fails? | 11:26 |
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| soren | tommyblue: How do you do it if a physical machine fails? | 11:28 |
| soren | tommyblue: It's by and large the same question. | 11:28 |
| tommyblue | soren: not really. with physical machine i can, e.g., use drbd (or different solution) to be sure that data is shared between multiple storages. If a machine crashes, with hearthbeat it's possible to restore the service from the other machine using the shared data | 11:30 |
| tommyblue | soren: what id' like to understand about openstack is: what should i do and what it does | 11:32 |
| tommyblue | soren: does it replicates data between nodes (to be sure there isn't a single point of failure)? Or should i give it a replicated storage? | 11:33 |
| soren | tommyblue: Why can't you use drbd between VM's? | 11:34 |
| tommyblue | soren: sorry, i know these are really basuc questions, but i couldn't find answers in the wiki, maybe you can give me a link and i stop to bother you :) | 11:34 |
| tommyblue | basic | 11:34 |
| tommyblue | soren: i can use drbd, if needed. I would understand if it is | 11:35 |
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| soren | tommyblue: I don't know :) It depends on your application. | 11:36 |
| soren | tommyblue: So, basically, these are the primitives: | 11:38 |
| tommyblue | soren: imagine the situation: i never used cloud, i come from a "standard" infrastructure: two (or more) servers, with shared storage with drbd and hearthbeat to assure HA. I found openstack and it seems amazing to me. So i decided to dig into it to discover if it can replace my actual infrastructure. But all the docs i found seems to be written fot people who well know how cloud works | 11:38 |
| tommyblue | :) | 11:39 |
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| soren | "cloud" at this level, isn't magic. It's really just some of your infrastructure that gets exposed through an API. | 11:39 |
| soren | Things don't scale better or have better HA properties just because you run them in the cloud. | 11:40 |
| soren | What it gives you are a number of primiites. | 11:40 |
| soren | primitives. | 11:40 |
| soren | VM's. They come in different sizes, but are qualitatively the same. | 11:40 |
| soren | A firewall (maybe, depending on the cloud and the API and whatnot). | 11:41 |
| soren | A mechanism to move a static IP from one machine to another. | 11:41 |
| soren | Some sort of persisistent block storage (depending on the cloud and API. | 11:42 |
| soren | all these things are exposed through an API. This means they can be automated. | 11:42 |
| soren | That's pretty much it. | 11:43 |
| soren | ...and that's enough to do pretty much anything. | 11:44 |
| soren | You can run your application in a VM. If it gets overloaded, you can start another VM to distribute the load. | 11:44 |
| soren | It's up to you, though, to ensure that the application you're trying to load balance, actually scales horisontally. | 11:45 |
| soren | *horizontally | 11:45 |
| tommyblue | ok! so openstack doesn't take care of storage replication betweens nodes, HA, and so on... Everything is now much more clearer! | 11:45 |
| tommyblue | thanks | 11:46 |
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| soren | tommyblue: sure | 11:53 |
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| ttx | soren: your https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/bexar-eucalyptus-migration looks ready for approval. Should I set it to "Pending approval" ? | 12:38 |
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| soren | ttx: Yes, please. | 12:38 |
| * soren sucks at paperwork | 12:38 | |
| ttx | soren: don | 12:39 |
| ttx | e | 12:39 |
| soren | ttx: ta very much. | 12:39 |
| ttx | soren: are you close to finalizing the EC2 SOAP and the Bursting ones ? Or are those more for Cactus than for Bexar ? | 12:44 |
| ttx | Daviey: same question for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/db-versioning-and-migration | 12:44 |
| soren | EC2 SOAP is as done as it's going to be, I think. | 12:44 |
| Daviey | ttx: almost done | 12:45 |
| soren | ttx: The bursting one... I need to take a good chunk of time out of my calendar and stare at it until I get an epiphany. The outcome of the discussion at the summit was.. all over the place. | 12:45 |
| ttx | soren: ok, setting EC2 SOAP to Pending Approval too, then | 12:45 |
| soren | ttx: ta | 12:45 |
| ttx | Keeping bursting at Epiphany stage | 12:46 |
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| zykes- | is there any webgui going on ? | 13:13 |
| soren | zykes-: For what? | 13:14 |
| alekibango | zykes: openstack-web-control-panel | 13:15 |
| alekibango | prolly :) | 13:15 |
| alekibango | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mike-mayo/openstack-web-control-panel/trunk/ | 13:15 |
| zykes- | ah, still nothing more then that | 13:16 |
| alekibango | zykes-: would you like to participate in writing such system? | 13:17 |
| alekibango | i mean another one | 13:17 |
| alekibango | i would like to make one using python tools - like turbogears/pylons/pyramids or even django | 13:17 |
| alekibango | but i dont feel i alone should go into it | 13:18 |
| alekibango | not without some funding :) | 13:18 |
| alekibango | or help | 13:18 |
| alekibango | see also here -- http://wiki.openstack.org/web-cloud-management-system | 13:19 |
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| zykes- | alekibango: i ain't that skillful at python yet but, i can do jQuery and other stuff though | 13:35 |
| zykes- | i've been doing a little but basic stuff with python | 13:36 |
| alekibango | zykes-: ic. we imho need more people. 4-5 would be nice to start it | 13:37 |
| alekibango | zykes-: python is not that hard... | 13:38 |
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| zykes- | i know :) | 13:38 |
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| alekibango | zykes-: maybe it would be better to adapt some existing cloud management interface for nova | 13:40 |
| alekibango | i mean web one | 13:41 |
| alekibango | i am just not sure if we need one more product specific web ui when there are coming generic ones | 13:41 |
| alekibango | but still it might be very nice to have pythonic pne | 13:43 |
| alekibango | one* | 13:44 |
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| zykes- | like which one is there that's fre alekibango ? | 13:58 |
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| alekibango | fre? | 14:04 |
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| alekibango | hmm you mean cloud management web consoles? | 14:05 |
| zykes- | yes alekibango | 14:06 |
| alekibango | if i am not mistaken, for example http://deltacloud.org, http://incubator.apache.org/libcloud/ | 14:06 |
| alekibango | there is some web gui for deltacloud imho | 14:07 |
| alekibango | zykes-: maybe i should look into those again... maybe later today. right now i cant spend too much time | 14:08 |
| alekibango | ha, libcloud has no ui? | 14:08 |
| alekibango | well, maybe we should really write one... :) | 14:09 |
| soren | I wrote a CLI for it. | 14:10 |
| soren | That's about as much of a UI as I need :) | 14:10 |
| zykes- | soren: for ? | 14:10 |
| alekibango | wow :) | 14:10 |
| zykes- | deltacloud ? | 14:10 |
| soren | zul: libcloud | 14:10 |
| soren | zykes-: libcloud | 14:10 |
| soren | zul: ignore me. | 14:10 |
| alekibango | soren: there are people without typing abilities | 14:10 |
| zul | soren: consider it done :0 | 14:10 |
| alekibango | :) | 14:10 |
| soren | alekibango: I ebleive yuo. | 14:11 |
| alekibango | soren: i believe some click here and here interface to get some info and to manage your virtual guests might be nice | 14:11 |
| zykes- | couldn't you use turbogears with libcloud at the bottom ? | 14:11 |
| zykes- | or ? | 14:11 |
| alekibango | zykes-: tg, pylons, pyramid == relatively not much intruding frameworks | 14:12 |
| soren | alekibango: Sure. I just probably wouldn't use it myself. | 14:12 |
| soren | alekibango: ...which makes me a bad candidate for writing it. | 14:12 |
| alekibango | :) | 14:12 |
| alekibango | zykes-: and there are even more frameless frameworks... | 14:13 |
| alekibango | i mean without templating system and database... write your own | 14:13 |
| * soren doesn't mind frames at all | 14:14 | |
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| zykes- | alekibango: how you mean ? | 14:14 |
| ttx | annegentle: feel free to review/fix http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseCycle | 14:14 |
| alekibango | soren: i like when i have it under control. plone was too frameworkish hell for me... framework that is changing is becoming live beast that will eat you alive | 14:14 |
| alekibango | and it was hard to achieve something the framework was not designed to do for you | 14:15 |
| zykes- | alekibango: isn't it easier to use something like libcloud at the bottom ? | 14:16 |
| alekibango | zykes-: not sure... | 14:16 |
| alekibango | soren: what do you think? | 14:16 |
| soren | alekibango: About what? | 14:17 |
| soren | alekibango: I just in general? Right now, I'm thinking about coffee. | 14:17 |
| soren | I like coffee. | 14:17 |
| soren | I don't have any. | 14:17 |
| soren | That makes me think of it. | 14:17 |
| alekibango | soren: i meant about what zykes asked | 14:17 |
| soren | Ah. | 14:17 |
| sandywalsh | mmm, caffeine | 14:17 |
| alekibango | zykes-: libcloud will not support all nova features, thats sure | 14:17 |
| sandywalsh | damn you soren | 14:17 |
| soren | Depends on what you want to do, I suppose. | 14:18 |
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| zykes- | alekibango: which features does not work ? | 14:18 |
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| annegentle | ttx: will do | 14:20 |
| alekibango | zykes-: dotn ask me, i didnt try :) | 14:20 |
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| zykes- | how's xcp vs openstack ? | 14:22 |
| alekibango | zykes-: some people consider xen dying technology | 14:22 |
| zykes- | k | 14:23 |
| zykes- | KVM is the "new way" ? | 14:23 |
| alekibango | just ask -what is latest kernel you can use xen with? | 14:24 |
| alekibango | :) | 14:24 |
| alekibango | zykes-: KVM looks to be the new way, but its still young technology for some | 14:24 |
| alekibango | :)) | 14:24 |
| alekibango | it looks like KVM is evolving faster | 14:24 |
| alekibango | and adapting | 14:24 |
| zykes- | Clanavi | 14:25 |
| zykes- | seems nice | 14:25 |
| alekibango | i just dont enjoy php | 14:25 |
| alekibango | i left it when it was before 1.0 | 14:25 |
| alekibango | and it still sucks | 14:25 |
| alekibango | :) | 14:25 |
| zykes- | heh, still it seems really nice | 14:26 |
| alekibango | i never seen nice object application in php | 14:26 |
| alekibango | *nice* | 14:26 |
| alekibango | i mean using objects in php is hell | 14:26 |
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| alekibango | zykes-: but yes, its looking nice | 14:27 |
| alekibango | building infrastructure like puzzle on screen is fun | 14:28 |
| zykes- | Either that or I guess you can place DeltaCloud in the front of OpenStack / Others | 14:28 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #680090 in swift "Multi node docs need section about adding more proxies" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680090 | 15:41 |
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| JordanRinke | word up | 15:51 |
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| vishy | alekibango: there is a web control panel written in django that will be open sourced soon | 15:59 |
| jk0 | ttx: that sounds good to me, the features are there, I just have a few more little things to refine | 15:59 |
| ttx | jk0: soren said it should be left open, since this pylint scores are not really perfect yet. | 16:01 |
| jk0 | oh right, that was a different ticket | 16:02 |
| jk0 | yeah that was definitely the way to go | 16:02 |
| jk0 | there is a *lot* of work left to be done for it | 16:02 |
| ttx | jk0: looks like it's a continuous effort, maybe BP is not the right way to track that. | 16:02 |
| alekibango | vishy: ty, i would like to see it soon really | 16:02 |
| vishy | alekibango: it is the nebula control panel. It was approved for release, just needs some cleanup, but it should be available soon | 16:03 |
| alekibango | vishy: days? weeks? months? | 16:03 |
| alekibango | django was really interesting guitarist :) | 16:04 |
| vishy | alekibango: Real Soon Now (tm) | 16:08 |
| alekibango | hehe | 16:08 |
| vishy | alekibango: I'll try and get you a firmer date :) | 16:08 |
| alekibango | thanks a lot | 16:09 |
| alekibango | i know this is hard to predict | 16:09 |
| alekibango | but i would like to use it ASAP | 16:09 |
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| ttx | vishy: your cow-instances, move-ip-allocation and project-vpn blueprints look ready for approval to me... Can I set them to "Pending approval" ? | 16:38 |
| vishy | ttx: yes, i thought we were supposed to put them on Review... | 16:39 |
| ttx | vishy: i wrote http://wiki.openstack.org/BlueprintsLifecycle to clarify this :) | 16:39 |
| ttx | vishy: i'll do them. | 16:39 |
| vishy | ttx: ah, i missed that part. Thanks | 16:40 |
| ttx | vishy: it's recent :) | 16:40 |
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| ttx | eday: around ? | 16:44 |
| eday | ttx: yup | 16:45 |
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| ttx | eday: I've been trying to clean up the nova blueprint list and found three strange ones with your name on them | 16:46 |
| ttx | eday: was wondering what their status was | 16:46 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/virtualbox-bindings | 16:46 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cloud-tests-in-fake | 16:46 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/openstack-api-efficient-polling | 16:46 |
| ttx | They are "approved" without an approver set... | 16:46 |
| eday | ttx: these were entries that were added as 'bugs' and I converted them over to blueprints while doing some cleaning of LP a while ago | 16:47 |
| ttx | is it something you intend to work on for bexar/cactus ? Or just a placeholder to keep them in mind ? | 16:47 |
| ttx | eday: in the latter case, i'll just set them back to New or Discussion | 16:47 |
| eday | ttx: So, I'm not really sure who is the correct person to be working on them, but I didn't want to loose them when removing the invalid bugs | 16:47 |
| eday | ttx: sounds good | 16:48 |
| ttx | eday: will do. | 16:48 |
| ttx | jaypipes: around ? | 16:49 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: yup. | 16:53 |
| ttx | I was trying to update the state of the following blueprints where you are set as approver, drafter and executioner: | 16:54 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/testing-smoketests-documentation | 16:54 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/unittest-coverage | 16:54 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/refactor-auth-unittest | 16:54 |
| ttx | jaypipes: should I just move them to approver:dendrobates ? Are those work in progress, or placeholders ? | 16:55 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: me and gundlach were working on those. they are about 65% complete. been working on Glance since that was prioritized. Happy to finish that work if I get done with Glance first. | 17:06 |
| jaypipes | ttx: feel free to set dendrobates as the approver and to set them to Deferred if you wish | 17:07 |
| ttx | jaypipes: so they are all started ? I'll update them. | 17:07 |
| ttx | jaypipes: keeping them as Low prio sounds good to me. | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | ttx: yes. gundlach and I both have a cleanup-unittests branch that is being used for those... | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | ttx: sounds good! | 17:07 |
| ttx | I'll set you as assignee, just change to gundlach if more appropriate. | 17:08 |
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| jk0 | LP/dev process question: once a branch on LP has been merged, and we want to add some more changes to it, is it best to keep updating that merge (proposing a new merge request) or should we make a new branch entirely? | 17:15 |
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| eday | jk0: you can keep hacking on the same one | 17:19 |
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| eday | jk0: it doesn't really matter either way really | 17:19 |
| jk0 | cool, so I take it LP will reset the review/merge status once an update has been pushed? | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | jk0: yep. | 17:20 |
| jk0 | excellent, thanks | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | jk0: set the merge prop to In Progress while you work on it... | 17:20 |
| jaypipes | jk0: LP will track (and re-do the diff on the merge prop) for new revs to the branch, but it won't automatically change the merge proposal status to In Progress | 17:21 |
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| eday | jk0, jaypipes: well, only if you want to use the same merge prop. If it's been merged and you have another set, use a new merge proposal | 17:25 |
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| jaypipes | eday: ah, yes of course... sorry, I assumed we were talking about a non-merged proposal :) | 17:26 |
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| sandywalsh | why would nosetests fail (against the broad suite), but runtests pass? Is there something being initialized differently? | 17:59 |
| sandywalsh | I thought the problems were unittest -> nose, not nose -> unittest | 18:00 |
| eday | sandywalsh: yes, runtests.sh does things that nosetests won't run | 18:01 |
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| sandywalsh | eday, thx, I'll look there | 18:01 |
| eday | sandywalsh: we need to convert run_tests.py to be self-contained unittests for nseo to run them, which I think jaypipes had about done | 18:01 |
| sandywalsh | also, do the tests assume a db (even if it's sqlite) ... if so, shouldn't that all be mocked/faked out? | 18:02 |
| sandywalsh | eday, re: run_tests, that makes sense it certainly seems like some sort of assumption about run-order going on there. | 18:02 |
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| eday | sandywalsh: it uses sqlite in the tests | 18:05 |
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| sandywalsh | eday, shouldn't all db access be mocked out in unittests? | 18:13 |
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| eday | sandywalsh: could go either way really, depends on the situation | 18:33 |
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| zul | is twisted going away anytime soon? | 19:42 |
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| kirkland | soren: did you ever get a chance to look at that openstack live iso? | 19:49 |
| kirkland | soren: i'll rebuild a new one now against the latest in the PPA | 19:50 |
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| kirkland | soren: dendrobates pointed your marketing department at me, however, the liveISO is currently blocked on someone on your side to get it working correctly ;-) | 19:50 |
| spectorclan | kirkland: do you know the marketing contact? perhaps I can help | 19:52 |
| kirkland | spectorclan: dendrobates pointed me to Lauren Sell; I'm good on the marketing side; there's a couple of issues with the LiveISO that needs some technical help | 19:53 |
| spectorclan | kirkland: ok, I know lauren is in San Antonio today. Will leave you alone then, Nothing to see, move on... | 19:53 |
| kirkland | spectorclan: thanks | 19:54 |
| spectorclan | Nova Team - Is there any high level Nova document in process other than http://nova.openstack.org/architecture.html | 19:54 |
| alekibango | http://wiki.openstack.org/ArchitecturalOverview | 19:55 |
| alekibango | http://wiki.openstack.org/Overview | 19:55 |
| alekibango | http://etherpad.openstack.org/Architecture | 19:56 |
| alekibango | http://etherpad.openstack.org/nova-archdoc | 19:56 |
| spectorclan | alexibango: Great, do you know if there is a plan to create a high level 2 or 3 page document using this information? | 19:56 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: i think i heard of such plan from you :) | 19:56 |
| alekibango | did you see my diagrams? | 19:56 |
| alekibango | you might use them | 19:57 |
| spectorclan | Yup, wanted to wait until there was enough info out there for me to leverage. Yes, your diagrams are awesome and I will steal them | 19:57 |
| alekibango | heh... i would like someone to make them more detailed | 19:57 |
| spectorclan | We have Todd Morey for that - i will bring him on the project | 19:57 |
| alekibango | great | 19:57 |
| alekibango | kirkland: what problems do you have with live cd? | 19:58 |
| alekibango | i did create my own live cds 7 years ago, so i might be able to help there | 19:58 |
| dendrobates | kirkland: what are the blockers | 19:58 |
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| annegentle | kirkland: yeah let us know what we need to do to move stack on a stick along :) | 20:01 |
| kirkland | annegentle: dendrobates: i'm rebuilding with the latest PPA packages | 20:01 |
| kirkland | annegentle: dendrobates: I'll upload and publish the URL here; all I really need is a handful of steps, "Okay, here's what I had to do to make it work ..." and i"ll get that into the ISO build instructions | 20:02 |
| annegentle | kirkland: okay like scripting steps that'll get it thru? | 20:02 |
| kirkland | annegentle: right | 20:03 |
| dendrobates | kirkland: I'll make sure you get whatever help you need, just let me know. | 20:03 |
| kirkland | dendrobates: cool, it's building now; give me another ~20 minutes to finish the build and upload to people.canonical.com | 20:03 |
| annegentle | I came up with three possible ideas for starting tutorials for OpenStack that the Live iso could be used to walkthrough, I'd like everyone's thoughts: | 20:05 |
| annegentle | 1) create a LAMP stack for a web application like WordPress - demonstrate connectivity between virtual machines, describe how to scale as your blog gets super popular (anyone have that blog post of the web app developer who recently quit TechCrunch? I have him in my mind for this tutorial for scaling) | 20:08 |
| annegentle | 2) Build your own CDN to serve video content | 20:08 |
| annegentle | 3) Academic calculations where you spin up 10 machines for a Mathematica project only for a day or so | 20:10 |
| spectorclan | annegentle: What about building a training environment using OpenStack that people can use for training users for OpenStack? | 20:11 |
| alekibango | annegentle: i would rather teach them to use amqp for scaling - scalable rabbitmq pubsubhub could be one good example. Scalable mysql/postgresql db could be another one | 20:11 |
| alekibango | annegentle: it could be also used for nova installation as example | 20:11 |
| annegentle | spectorclan: the stack on a stick would essentially be a training enviro | 20:12 |
| annegentle | alekibango: can you give me a concrete example like the Crunchbase programmer? Here's his blog post: http://andybrett.com/goodbye-techcrunch | 20:13 |
| alekibango | i would love to have multistick nova demo... | 20:13 |
| alekibango | for 2-8 servers | 20:13 |
| alekibango | which will run also in virtual servers :) | 20:13 |
| annegentle | alekibango: small steps :) but yes Matt Ray was also looking at an OpenStack Demo Box | 20:14 |
| annegentle | http://leastresistance.wordpress.com/2010/11/17/potential-openstack-compute-demo-box/ for the specs | 20:14 |
| alekibango | annegentle: i am not sure i get what you mean by your question... | 20:14 |
| annegentle | alekibango: I dont know what is an example of a web app that uses amqp for scaling? | 20:15 |
| alekibango | ok, will give you some | 20:15 |
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| annegentle | alekibango: oh my bad, you said pubsubhub, looking now :) | 20:15 |
| alekibango | for example news server :) | 20:16 |
| alekibango | reading 100.000s of rss channels, putting them into one system, chewing them, analyzing, publishing | 20:16 |
| alekibango | you need async messaging to be scalable in such scenario | 20:17 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #680188 in swift "omissions in stats system on SAIO docs" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680188 | 20:17 |
| annegentle | alekibango: news server is a great idea, thanks | 20:18 |
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| zul | soren: want me to do an upload to the archive tomorrow? | 20:36 |
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| soren | zul: It won't build. | 20:44 |
| soren | zul: Still waiting for one of my branches to land. | 20:45 |
| zul | soren: ok let me know and ill do it | 20:45 |
| soren | annegentle: Did you see the question for you in https://code.launchpad.net/~armando-migliaccio/nova/rabbit-docs/+merge/41085 ? | 20:45 |
| annegentle | soren: no, I didn't, thanks for pointing it out. It's a good question. | 20:46 |
| soren | Can someone please review https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/distribute-rescue-templates/+merge/41404 ? It's blocking the PPA builds. | 20:46 |
| zul | done.. | 20:48 |
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| openstackhudson | Project nova build #252: SUCCESS in 1 min 13 sec: http://173.203.104.204:8080/job/nova/252/ | 20:50 |
| soren | openstackhudson: Err... You announce success, too? | 20:50 |
| soren | That's a bit noisy, innit? | 20:50 |
| jk0 | would anyone mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~jk0/nova/lp661472/+merge/41514 ? | 20:51 |
| comstud | i get annoyed with people that are always spewing negative things... positive output is not bad now and then :) | 20:52 |
| eday | soren: could you re-review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~eday/nova/lp613264/+merge/40012 ? it's still in a needs-fixing state from you | 20:52 |
| soren | eday: I'll trade you a review :) | 20:52 |
| soren | eday: https://code.launchpad.net/~soren/nova/distribute-rescue-templates/+merge/41404 | 20:52 |
| eday | soren: nothings free around here... | 20:53 |
| sandywalsh | jk0, sys.exit(1) on failure? | 20:56 |
| jk0 | yeah, joshuamckenty suggested that | 20:56 |
| sandywalsh | hmm, ok, good to know | 20:57 |
| soren | eday: approved. | 20:59 |
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| openstackhudson | Project nova build #253: SUCCESS in 1 min 13 sec: http://173.203.104.204:8080/job/nova/253/ | 21:05 |
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| soren | kirkland: Sorry, missed your comments.. No, never got a chance to look at it. the branch that just landed /should/ fix the build. | 21:07 |
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| soren | Fixed :) | 21:17 |
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| tr3buchet | i keep running into this issue when running euca-run-instances: http://pastie.org/1318413 | 21:23 |
| tr3buchet | that's output from network | 21:23 |
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| sandywalsh | virtual_env only changes $PATH correct? If I use apt-get to install a package it'll go in the shared lib (and not be available to the virtual_env), correct? | 21:50 |
| sandywalsh | (if I can use the word 'correct' in one more sentence I move onto double bonus round) | 21:51 |
| dubsquared | hola #openstack, can anyone discuss the default networking in nova? i have a running instance up, but i cannot ping/ssh to it. i did not set a specific network type in nove-manage, so this is just the plain jane networking type. I also have ran my euca-authorized commands. | 21:51 |
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| sandywalsh | re: virtual_env ... had to remove --no-site-packages from install_venv.py so python-libvirt could be accessed. | 21:59 |
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| soren | sandywalsh: What's your dev environment? | 22:09 |
| soren | I don't fully understand why people bother with virtualenv. Everything we need is packaged. | 22:09 |
| soren | Oh, not everyone runs Ubuntu? That's madness. | 22:10 |
| creiht | I don't fully understand why people bother with packaging, as everything installs in a vertualenv | 22:10 |
| creiht | :) | 22:10 |
| jk0 | can I get one more review for https://code.launchpad.net/~jk0/nova/lp661472/+merge/41514 please? | 22:10 |
| sandywalsh | soren, ubuntu ... I probably don't need it since I'm in a vm anyway | 22:11 |
| jk0 | I never really cared for virtualenv until today when I started developing on my Mac | 22:11 |
| jk0 | when virtualenv became necessary | 22:11 |
| eday | that's because macs fail as a sane dev environment ;) | 22:14 |
| jk0 | that's true, but it's nice to do some things locally | 22:16 |
| jk0 | it was mostly just a test run | 22:16 |
| * eday hands jk0 a linux laptop and ubuntu cd | 22:17 | |
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| jk0 | haha | 22:17 |
| jk0 | I normally just dev in a slice | 22:17 |
| eday | jk0: so, I think your rpc branch will halt the entire event loop for twisted with the sleep | 22:18 |
| dendrobates | jk0: do you need us to help you remove OSX? | 22:18 |
| jk0 | oh no, I like OS X :) | 22:18 |
| dabo | jk0: what did you do about euca2ools, libvert and libxml2? I couldn't find how to get them for the mac | 22:19 |
| vishy | tr3buchet, it looks like nova-dhcpbridge is not accessing the same db as the rest of the system | 22:20 |
| jk0 | dabo: --connection_type=fake | 22:20 |
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| vishy | dubsquared: is the instance getting an ip? | 22:20 |
| dubsquared | vishy: yes | 22:20 |
| jk0 | eday: but if it can't connect to rabbit at startup, will that still be a problem? | 22:21 |
| vishy | dubsquared: so you are getting leased ip messages in nova-network? | 22:21 |
| dabo | jk0: so with fake connection, you don't need any of those things? | 22:21 |
| jk0 | it lets you fire up the processes but I don't know how far you'd get with euca2ools | 22:21 |
| jk0 | haven't tried that | 22:21 |
| eday | jk0: for the other tasks, like logging event, maybe. I'm not sure :) | 22:22 |
| eday | jk0: actually this will lock up eventlet/nova-api as well right now, we need to monkey-patch the sleep call to make it non-blocking | 22:22 |
| vishy | eday, jk0: I'm not too concerned with blocking the reactor on boot | 22:22 |
| eday | jk0: which could happen at any rpc.call(), not just startup | 22:23 |
| jk0 | ah | 22:23 |
| soren | eday: Non-blocking sleep? Really? | 22:24 |
| clayg | soren: thanks for the update on lp:680188 (re: the value of $PATH when running from cron) | 22:24 |
| soren | clayg: Sure. | 22:25 |
| eday | soren: yup, so the event loop underneath can continue on, and switch back to the thread that called sleep() when it expires | 22:25 |
| kirkland | dendro-afk, et al: http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/binary.iso | 22:25 |
| kirkland | i'm launching this in a KVM, under Ubuntu 10.10: kvm -m 4000 -smp 4 -cdrom binary.iso | 22:26 |
| eday | jk0: we just need to add time=True to the eventlet monkey_path line in nova/wsgi.py | 22:26 |
| jk0 | oh ok, I can do that in this branch and repush | 22:26 |
| tr3buchet | vishy: can you think of a reason that could happen? | 22:28 |
| kirkland | dendro-afk: that ISO boots to a pretty minimal Ubuntu 10.10 desktop | 22:28 |
| kirkland | dendro-afk: fire up a terminal, and open up the GettingStarted.txt instructions | 22:29 |
| vishy | tr3buchet: yeah iv you don't have dhcpbridge_flagfile set properly | 22:29 |
| kirkland | dendro-afk: nova is at version 2011.1~bzr397-0ubuntu0ppa1 | 22:29 |
| annegentle | kirkland: can I try it on my 10.04 Desktop? | 22:29 |
| kirkland | annegentle: do you have KVM in there? | 22:30 |
| kirkland | annegentle: or is your Ubuntu running in a VM? | 22:30 |
| kirkland | annegentle: you should be able to boot this ISO in KVM or VirtualBox or Parallels | 22:30 |
| vishy | tr3buchet: i think it defaults to /etc/nova/nova-dhcpbridge.conf | 22:31 |
| jk0 | eday: pushed change, awaiting diff update on LP | 22:31 |
| kirkland | I'm able to create a user with 'sudo nova-manage user admin user1' | 22:33 |
| eday | jk0: looks good, but one mroe q. any reason why retry_init and max_retries are not flags? | 22:33 |
| kirkland | but not a project with 'sudo nova-manage project create project1 user1' | 22:33 |
| jk0 | eday: my thoughts were that they didn't *need* to be configurable | 22:34 |
| jk0 | I guess I can see how it could be useful in some cases though | 22:35 |
| eday | jk0: I probably would, but could go either way with this one | 22:35 |
| vishy | kirkland: do you get an error message? | 22:36 |
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| jk0 | eday: it certainly wouldn't be a problem to make them flags, I can go ahead and do that now | 22:37 |
| jk0 | might as well | 22:37 |
| annegentle | kirkland: Ok, I have virtualBox, I'll give it a go. | 22:37 |
| kirkland | vishy: http://pastebin.com/FRn2i0Hk | 22:38 |
| kirkland | annegentle: cool, i have a couple of minor edits already to the GettingStarted | 22:38 |
| kirkland | annegentle: looks like the chown+restart is no longer needed, now fixed | 22:38 |
| kirkland | annegentle: as for the other lines, I standardized on calling the user "user1" and the project "project1" | 22:38 |
| vishy | kirkland: so it is the zipfile command that fails? | 22:39 |
| kirkland | vishy: yes | 22:39 |
| kirkland | vishy: looks like user and project creation are working now | 22:40 |
| kirkland | vishy: but not zipfile retrieval | 22:40 |
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| annegentle | kirkland: user1 and project1 it is | 22:41 |
| vishy | so either the CA directory is set improperly | 22:41 |
| vishy | or it is the wrong version of openssl | 22:42 |
| kirkland | vishy: is that a packaging problem? or a local config problem | 22:42 |
| vishy | openssl version | 22:42 |
| vishy | OpenSSL 0.9.8k 25 Mar 2009 | 22:42 |
| kirkland | vishy: openssl 0.9.8o | 22:42 |
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| vishy | my lucid boxes are using 9.8k, but i don't see why that wouldn't work | 22:43 |
| vishy | (o that is) | 22:43 |
| vishy | possible that the packaged version is wrong | 22:43 |
| vishy | does the package set the ca_path flag? | 22:45 |
| vishy | is it writable? | 22:45 |
| kirkland | vishy: that == openssl or nova? | 22:45 |
| vishy | that == nova | 22:45 |
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| kirkland | vishy: note that I don't have a ./openssl.cnf here | 22:47 |
| vishy | do you have an openssl.cnf.template? | 22:47 |
| vishy | sorry .tmpl | 22:47 |
| kirkland | vishy: in my CWD (ie, homedir)? no., | 22:48 |
| vishy | in CA | 22:48 |
| vishy | there should be a dir called CA somewhere | 22:48 |
| vishy | packages put it in /var/lib/nova/CA i think | 22:48 |
| kirkland | vishy: yup, it's there | 22:48 |
| kirkland | vishy: the .tmpl | 22:48 |
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| kirkland | vishy: no openssl.cnf though | 22:48 |
| vishy | and there is a genrootca.sh? | 22:48 |
| kirkland | vishy: yes | 22:49 |
| soren | kirkland: nova-api generates it. | 22:49 |
| vishy | is there a cacert.pem? | 22:49 |
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| kirkland | http://pastebin.com/dqDPBNfp | 22:50 |
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| kirkland | soren: at package install, or system boot? | 22:50 |
| vishy | kirkland: are you running nova-manage as user nova? | 22:51 |
| soren | kirkland: When it starts, IIRC. | 22:51 |
| kirkland | vishy: no, i'm running as ubuntu, using sudo | 22:51 |
| vishy | ah | 22:51 |
| vishy | that is a problem | 22:51 |
| kirkland | vishy: ah, okay, need to update instructions then | 22:51 |
| vishy | the packaging makes everything belong to nova and it isn't world writable | 22:51 |
| kirkland | vishy: that's the recommended mechanism? | 22:52 |
| soren | vishy: What's a problem? | 22:52 |
| kirkland | vishy: i was following instructions from soren's blog | 22:52 |
| vishy | nova-manage is trying to run genroot.ca | 22:52 |
| vishy | but it doesn't have write perms to the folder | 22:52 |
| soren | jk0: ping? | 22:53 |
| vishy | oops backup | 22:53 |
| vishy | doesn't look like nova-manage does run genroot.ca | 22:54 |
| soren | jk0: Can you resubmit https://code.launchpad.net/~jk0/nova/lp661472/+merge/41373 please? There's a button to do it in the top right corner. | 22:54 |
| vishy | so i guess you just have to make sure to run nova-api once before you can run project zipfile | 22:54 |
| soren | jk0: Can't approve it, because it's already previously been approved and merged. | 22:54 |
| jk0 | soren: sure, I just pushed the flags change, was waiting on that to finish | 22:54 |
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| soren | jk0: Oh, it's not ready for merging? I just saw two people approve it and wanted to click the approve button, but couldn't. | 22:55 |
| jk0 | refresh once, it might be good now | 22:55 |
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| kirkland | annegentle: hey, can you point me to *your* getting started documentation? | 22:56 |
| jk0 | unless my push is what disabled it | 22:56 |
| kirkland | annegentle: ie, someone apt-get installs these nova-* packages.... "then what?" | 22:56 |
| kirkland | annegentle: ultimately, I'm trying to set this LiveISO for success in that situation | 22:56 |
| soren | jk0: Maybe I'm just confused by a wrong link... | 22:57 |
| jk0 | soren: ahah, yeah, that's the merge from last week, here's this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~jk0/nova/lp661472/+merge/41514 | 22:57 |
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| soren | jk0: Ignore me, I'm an idiot. | 22:58 |
| soren | jk0: GMail confused me. | 22:58 |
| soren | jk0: You happy with it now? | 22:58 |
| jk0 | yeah, it's ready to go | 22:58 |
| soren | jk0: Oh, eday beat me to it. | 22:59 |
| jk0 | excellent, thanks fellas | 22:59 |
| eday | ahh, just noticed you guys talking about it here :) | 22:59 |
| eday | yup, just approved | 22:59 |
| * soren has an ulterior motive | 23:00 | |
| openstackhudson | Project nova-tarmac build #37,337: FAILURE in 3 min 36 sec: http://173.203.104.204:8080/job/nova-tarmac/37337/ | 23:02 |
| jk0 | so how do we handle bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/661472 since the fix is now in trunk, does the submitter have to test & verify before closing the ticket? | 23:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 661472 in nova "Fails if rabbitmq isn't around or drops connection" [High,Fix committed] | 23:03 |
| openstackhudson | Yippie, build fixed! | 23:03 |
| openstackhudson | Project nova-tarmac build #37,338: FIXED in 25 sec: http://173.203.104.204:8080/job/nova-tarmac/37338/ | 23:03 |
| soren | jk0: Hudson is supposed to close it. | 23:04 |
| soren | jk0: It just fails to do so. | 23:04 |
| jk0 | gotcha | 23:04 |
| soren | mtaylor: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/nova-tarmac/37337/console Any idea what this is about? | 23:04 |
| jk0 | I ask because I see a lot of bug in that situation | 23:04 |
| jk0 | *bugs | 23:04 |
| openstackhudson | Project nova build #254: SUCCESS in 1 min 18 sec: http://173.203.104.204:8080/job/nova/254/ | 23:05 |
| mtaylor | soren: oh, I think that's been fixed and that I'm supposed to update tarmac... | 23:05 |
| soren | mtaylor: You know they have a ppa for fresh tarmacs, right? | 23:05 |
| soren | mtaylor: Just sayin' :) | 23:06 |
| mtaylor | soeren: oh do they? I've been following source because I was oringally running a hacked version :) | 23:06 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #680285 in nova "rackspace-specific "cloudserversFault" name should be generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680285 | 23:06 |
| soren | https://launchpad.net/~tarmac/+archive/ppa/+packages | 23:06 |
| annegentle | kirkland: er, still thinking about our "getting started" documentation | 23:06 |
| kirkland | annegentle: hmm, okay; is soren's blog the best starting point right now? | 23:07 |
| annegentle | kirkland: I added a bunch of commands to http://nova.openstack.org/adminguide/nova.manage.html | 23:08 |
| vishy | kirkland: https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/134376 | 23:08 |
| annegentle | kirkland: but we still need the "what do I do now?" and Soren's post is the right starting point (add user, add project) | 23:09 |
| soren | kirkland: Which package versions are you using? | 23:09 |
| soren | kirkland: The ones in Maverick? | 23:09 |
| vishy | related to your issues, you do have to make sure nova-api has run once before trying project zipfile | 23:09 |
| kirkland | soren: 2011.1~bzr397 | 23:09 |
| soren | kirkland: Yeah, my walhthrough isn't completely accurate for that. | 23:10 |
| soren | kirkland: It's close, though. | 23:10 |
| soren | kirkland: But yeah, what vishy just said. | 23:10 |
| annegentle | all - what is the simplest "what to do next" after you have a user, project, and project file unzipped? | 23:11 |
| annegentle | install somethin'? | 23:11 |
| annegentle | set up a security group? | 23:11 |
| vishy | annegentle: i would say the next issue is getting a working image | 23:12 |
| annegentle | vishy: yep, that makes sense. | 23:12 |
| vishy | annegentle: then create key pair, then run instance, then create sec group if necessary | 23:13 |
| annegentle | vishy: yep, I'm getting ahead of myself | 23:13 |
| annegentle | kirkland: do you want me to write up instructions in the Getting Started HTML you've got checked in? | 23:13 |
| vishy | has anyone tried the ubuntu ttylinux yet? | 23:13 |
| kirkland | annegentle: it's just a TXT, but yeah, sure | 23:18 |
| kirkland | vishy: can you explain "run nova-api" ? do I need to restart the service? | 23:18 |
| annegentle | kirkland: ok, will do | 23:18 |
| kirkland | annegentle: bzr branch lp:openstack-live | 23:18 |
| vishy | kirkland: yes it appears that the services don't run correctly on package install | 23:19 |
| kirkland | annegentle: find . -name GettingStarted.txt | 23:19 |
| kirkland | annegentle: edit that file to your liking | 23:19 |
| vishy | kirkland: you could verify with a ps | 23:19 |
| kirkland | annegentle: bzr commit; bzr push to a branch, propose a merge | 23:19 |
| kirkland | vishy: hrm, fishy; nova-api not running | 23:20 |
| vishy | anything in the logs? | 23:20 |
| kirkland | vishy: /var/log/nova/nova-api.log empty | 23:20 |
| vishy | oddness | 23:20 |
| vishy | i blame eventlet :) | 23:21 |
| kirkland | vishy: let me run the init script -x | 23:21 |
| kirkland | vishy: weird, nova-api is not running, log file empty; yet the init script did everything i expected it to do | 23:23 |
| vishy | not good | 23:23 |
| vishy | try running nova-api --nodeamonize? | 23:23 |
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| kirkland | vishy: http://pastebinit.com/L3aNpFXP | 23:24 |
| kirkland | vishy: http://pastebin.com/L3aNpFXP | 23:25 |
| kirkland | hmm, missing dependency | 23:25 |
| soren | kirkland: Yeah, we put those templates in /usr/share. | 23:25 |
| soren | /usr/share/nova, to be exact. | 23:25 |
| soren | We'll change that soon. | 23:25 |
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| vishy | ah so the xxx.templates aren't specified in flags in nova-api | 23:27 |
| kirkland | vishy: soren: so this is known to break the starting of nova-api right now? | 23:27 |
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| soren | kirkland: Known. Not sure if there's a bug report. | 23:29 |
| soren | kirkland: Oh, there is. | 23:29 |
| soren | kirkland: zul filed it earlier. | 23:30 |
| kirkland | soren: okay, so basically those PPA packages are known broken right now? | 23:31 |
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| soren | kirkland: I'm not sure when that change was made, actually. | 23:36 |
| soren | kirkland: Quite recently. | 23:36 |
| vishy | soren: jaypipes did it!~ | 23:36 |
| * vishy points his finger | 23:37 | |
| vishy | :p | 23:37 |
| kirkland | soren: meaning that it hasn't landed in the PPA yet? | 23:37 |
| kirkland | soren: the fix, i mean | 23:37 |
| soren | kirkland: So very, very close: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59470838/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.nova_2011.1~bzr412-0ubuntu0ppa1~maverick1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 23:37 |
| soren | kirkland: ..but no. | 23:37 |
| soren | kirkland: Natty works. | 23:38 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #680297 in swift "most swift daemons don't honor log_name" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680297 | 23:41 |
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| kirkland | soren: when do those PPA packages get refreshed? | 23:45 |
| kirkland | soren: could I ask you to push to that PPA now'ish? | 23:45 |
| jaypipes | vishy: ok, what did I do? | 23:46 |
| soren | kirkland: It's all I'm doing. Right now, I'm trying to fix a ftbfs on Maverick. | 23:46 |
| jaypipes | vishy: ah, the compute manager mess? | 23:46 |
| jaypipes | soren: yes, I did that. | 23:47 |
| vishy | jaypipes: yeah dependencies on templates | 23:47 |
| vishy | :) | 23:47 |
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| kirkland | soren: rock on; poke me when you get it in there, so that I can rebuild my ISO? | 23:47 |
| soren | kirkland: It may not be this evening. I'm about to pass out. | 23:48 |
| kirkland | soren: bummer, okay, thanks. | 23:48 |
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