| vishy | termie is mia today | 00:05 |
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| vishy | :) | 00:05 |
| eday | I wonder if it was the starcraft or bourbon that did him in | 00:06 |
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| vishy | :p | 00:14 |
| alekibango | _0x44: btw i was right about he kid with swords: "Besancon Mayor Jean-Louis Fousseret said the boy had been treated for depression but had not taken his medication in recent day" -- typical SSRI user, the same in columbine and most other cases like this... | 00:15 |
| _0x44 | alekibango: Did they shoot him? | 00:16 |
| alekibango | no, all are ok | 00:16 |
| _0x44 | alekibango: Ah, so he's going to get psychiatric care? | 00:16 |
| alekibango | note: psychiatric care was the cause of the problem here... | 00:17 |
| _0x44 | alekibango: Not taking ihs medication seems to be the problem | 00:17 |
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| alekibango | _0x44: suddenly stopping it creates lots of problems... but i would argue that those pills are the primary cause... | 00:18 |
| alekibango | it was only depression originally | 00:18 |
| _0x44 | alekibango: Yeah, my dad was on anti-depressants, I know all about that :) | 00:19 |
| _0x44 | alekibango: I have to be up early to interview some dude. :) So I guess I should go to bed. | 00:19 |
| alekibango | gn8 _0x44, btw song about ssri: http://www.naturalnews.com/SSRIs_S_S_R_Lies.html | 00:20 |
| comstud | does the network config today only support IPing a single interface today? | 00:22 |
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| comstud | (are there options for adding a 2nd, or 3rd nic yet, etc)? | 00:22 |
| comstud | i'm breaking out a blueprint and trying to set the dependencies correctly... I think I need a blueprint for this as a dependency for being able to IP public and private interfaces as needed for Cloud Servers | 00:23 |
| comstud | but I want to make sure this doesn't actually exist yet | 00:23 |
| vishy | eday: could you give me a quick rereview here https://code.launchpad.net/~vishvananda/nova/lp688734/+merge/43391 ? | 00:25 |
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| vishy | comstud: yes only one interface | 00:30 |
| comstud | ok thanks | 00:30 |
| vishy | comstud: there will be such a thing when the networking blueprints are finished | 00:30 |
| vishy | comstud: I don't know the current state of those | 00:30 |
| comstud | hm ok | 00:30 |
| comstud | well, i have a blueprint for being able to assign public and private IPs for the purpose of Cloud Servers... | 00:31 |
| comstud | but it sorta depends on the network blueprint, I guess... or | 00:31 |
| comstud | really, this should be a part of the network blueprint | 00:31 |
| comstud | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xs-guest-ip-addressing | 00:32 |
| vishy | the network blueprint is supposed to support generalized networks with multiple interfaces | 00:33 |
| comstud | we're trying to do our xenserver specific stuff we need (rackspace), tho it seems some of it needs to wait for other stuff to be finalized :) | 00:33 |
| vishy | although it will probably require additional work for various hypervisors | 00:33 |
| comstud | nod | 00:33 |
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| termie | eday: planning on it tomorrow, today was an off day | 01:01 |
| eday | termie: cool :) | 01:02 |
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| jaypipes | if anyone has a moment to review the i18n merge proposals, that would be appreciated. | 01:16 |
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| chmouel | soren: hey soren just saw that you are fixing my branch, is there anything I did wrong there in the merge ? | 11:19 |
| reldan | Hi guys, could you review small fix https://code.launchpad.net/~reldan/nova/lp688220/+merge/43552 ? | 11:20 |
| chmouel | reldan: I can't do reviews but any merge needs to have the name of the Authors in the Authors file added in the top directoy and you don't seem to be already there | 11:23 |
| reldan | chmouel: Thanks, my fault | 11:24 |
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| alekibango | chmouel: i think you can do soft review... or comment the merge request... | 11:34 |
| soren | chmouel: Am I fixing you branch? | 11:41 |
| chmouel | alekibango: thanks | 11:42 |
| soren | chmouel: Which branch is this? | 11:42 |
| chmouel | soren: you said last night : 13:26 * soren fixes https://code.launchpad.net/~chmouel/nova/lp688032/+merge/43211 | 11:42 |
| soren | chmouel: Ah. | 11:42 |
| soren | chmouel: You hadn't set a commit message. | 11:42 |
| chmouel | was it the authors file conflict? | 11:42 |
| soren | chmouel: So it gets rejected. | 11:42 |
| chmouel | ah when proposing for merge? | 11:42 |
| soren | Yes. | 11:43 |
| chmouel | ok cheers, i'll rem that for next time.. i thought it would pick up the commits comments like on github | 11:43 |
| soren | That would suck. | 11:43 |
| soren | People put stuff like "committed a bit of stuff", "fixed the thing with the other thing" and other useless stuff there. | 11:43 |
| chmouel | yeah i guess it's another way of work usually you commit bunch of stuff to your local branch and after you are merging in your 'trunk' as one big commit before pushing | 11:44 |
| soren | Yeah. | 11:45 |
| soren | I hate that. | 11:45 |
| soren | bzr is a revision control system. Not a patch management system. | 11:45 |
| chmouel | fair enough... | 11:45 |
| soren | There's no need to be embarassed about the 10 ways you tried to get things working before you found the right way. | 11:46 |
| soren | There are things to be learned from the 10 failed attempts, too. | 11:46 |
| chmouel | heu yes ok :) | 11:47 |
| soren | All of that gets lost in the rebasing process and I think that's a shame. | 11:47 |
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| soren | chmouel: When stuff gets merged into trunk in Nova, all you see in "bzr log" is the merge commit with the commit message from the merge proposal. | 11:50 |
| soren | chmouel: All the revisions are still there, though. | 11:50 |
| soren | chmouel: ..you can see them with "bzr log -n0". | 11:50 |
| pvo | hey soren | 11:52 |
| pvo | I do agree with you on most of your points. Any ideas on how to put files into the fs without an agent if we can't mount the fs? | 11:53 |
| chmouel | soren: yeah figured this out, I think it's cool that you can see all of them and the big merge commit between branch are managed over launchpad... | 11:53 |
| chmouel | mounting -o loop the image ? | 11:54 |
| pvo | chmouel: that would work, if the hypervisor can read the fs | 11:55 |
| chmouel | hypervisor does not pull up images localy in /var/lib/instances ? | 11:56 |
| pvo | we're using vhds and ntfs on the windows instances | 11:56 |
| chmouel | ah yeah... | 11:57 |
| pvo | if it was an all linux cloud, this problem is solved | 11:57 |
| pvo | but if we're trying to push other OSes, it gets tricky | 11:57 |
| soren | pvo: No. | 11:57 |
| chmouel | what about a daemon on HV that the slice VM with ? | 11:57 |
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| chmouel | that the VM commnicate with, i mean.. | 11:57 |
| soren | pvo: I don't think it's unreasonably to require cooperation from the guest. | 11:58 |
| pvo | heh. yea, thought of that. we're using xenstore as that now. | 11:58 |
| soren | pvo: If we provide a good API for it, document it, and write a reference implementation, that's fine. | 11:58 |
| soren | pvo: EC2 gets away with it, for instance. | 11:59 |
| pvo | soren: ok. We had some BPs for Bexar that were going to require us to read/use a metadata service (xenstore for now) but if we're going to move to it we need to start talkinga bout it and defining it | 11:59 |
| pvo | admin password reset was one | 12:00 |
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| soren | pvo: I understand there are business requirements involved here, but.. | 12:01 |
| soren | The right way to let people do this is to a) offer a rescue system and b) let them access the console. | 12:02 |
| soren | IMO. | 12:02 |
| soren | At least looking at it from the point of view of Nova. | 12:03 |
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| soren | Now, if someone, such as Rackspace, deploying Nova wants to offer other stuff, that's fine. | 12:04 |
| soren | ..and I'm perfectly open to providing some sort of primitives to allow this, but I don't think the functionality itself really belongs in Nova. | 12:05 |
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| soren | If we for a second imagine that we couldn't touch Nova. | 12:06 |
| soren | ..but we controlled the images. | 12:06 |
| soren | ...and had a control panel. | 12:06 |
| soren | Could we pull it off? | 12:06 |
| soren | We can put something in the images that can either poll an outside service or which can respond to requests. | 12:07 |
| pvo | I'm all for not doing this in Nova itself and on principle, I agree with you | 12:08 |
| soren | We're kind of limited to network, aren't we? :( | 12:08 |
| pvo | sadly, I think so | 12:08 |
| soren | Oh. | 12:08 |
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| soren | We could use a small EBS volume. | 12:08 |
| pvo | eday has some interesting ideas with dns back in Austin | 12:09 |
| pvo | assuming it had networking | 12:09 |
| pvo | soren: do you think most people are going to deploy nova with ebs functionality? | 12:09 |
| soren | pvo: Good question. | 12:10 |
| soren | pvo: Yeah, maybe not. | 12:10 |
| soren | pvo: I like the idea of attaching an ISO as a CD. | 12:12 |
| pvo | hmmm. ok... maybe. yea. | 12:12 |
| soren | pvo: Every OS we need to even consider understands that a CD can be put into the CD drive. | 12:12 |
| pvo | yep, I'm following | 12:12 |
| soren | Hm... | 12:14 |
| soren | Every time I try to think this through I end up with something that sucks. | 12:14 |
| soren | Say, if we offered a way to attach this ISO.. | 12:14 |
| soren | We'd also let the owner of the instance do it, right? | 12:15 |
| soren | I don't see it as an admin sort of operation. | 12:15 |
| pvo | so, pass some metadata in on the initial request which we'd dump into a small iso which we'd mount as a cd? | 12:15 |
| soren | Yeah. | 12:15 |
| soren | ...and for the images that RAckspace offers, there'd be an rc.d script that did The Right Thing[tm] with that data. | 12:17 |
| pvo | yep | 12:17 |
| pvo | I'm liking this one. out of band access which I feel is more secure that network metadata | 12:17 |
| soren | Yeah. | 12:17 |
| soren | You have filesystem permissions to protect you, you can unmount and eject the ISO to be completely sure. | 12:17 |
| soren | etc. | 12:18 |
| chmouel | and on Windows it would be a autostart kind of thing ? | 12:18 |
| soren | I considered that, but I don't think so. | 12:18 |
| soren | Essentially, we don't know which OS is inside the guest. | 12:19 |
| soren | ..so we can't tailor its contents. | 12:19 |
| chmouel | we want to inject files into the OS aren't we ? | 12:19 |
| soren | Even though putting and AUTORUN.INF thing that copied the files to their final destination sounds cool. | 12:19 |
| soren | chmouel: We want to offer primitives to allow such things. | 12:20 |
| chmouel | what do you mean by primitives ? offer access to the iso with the inject files to the guest ? | 12:21 |
| chmouel | s/inject/injected/g | 12:21 |
| soren | So, for one, we don't want to touch the users' filesystems. | 12:22 |
| soren | We have no idea what's in them. It could be anything. Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, OS/2. | 12:22 |
| soren | Even if we did, we shouldn't touch them. They should be bit for bit identical to what the user uploaded. | 12:23 |
| pvo | but they could write their own thing if they wanted to parse the data to ping | 12:23 |
| soren | so what we want to offer is some sort of mechanism on top of which this injection functionality could be built. | 12:23 |
| soren | The proposal being thrown around right now being an ISO, attached as a CD. | 12:24 |
| ttx | ideally, some sort of block device you can mount | 12:24 |
| ttx | the CD metaphor being a bit more cross-platform. | 12:24 |
| pvo | yea, ISO9660 format? | 12:26 |
| soren | Not *necessarily* a block device, though. | 12:26 |
| pvo | that would seem the lowest common fs | 12:26 |
| ttx | soren, right, not necessarily | 12:26 |
| soren | It just seems like a good approach. I want to pass some data to the guest. | 12:26 |
| soren | It could be over a serial port. | 12:27 |
| soren | ..but that feels even more arcane, and is more difficult to interact with. | 12:27 |
| soren | It doesn't multiplex well. | 12:27 |
| soren | Etc. | 12:27 |
| chmouel | yeah same way that omsa virtual media works i think.. | 12:27 |
| ttx | That's how VMWare tools install used to work when I last used it | 12:28 |
| ttx | (present itself as a CD) | 12:28 |
| chmouel | yeah same for parallels stuff as well | 12:29 |
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| Adri2000 | hi | 13:59 |
| Adri2000 | what's the status of iSCSI support for swift? | 14:00 |
| notmyname | swift isn't a block store. iSCSI + swift doesn't really make sense | 14:01 |
| Adri2000 | notmyname: so what is http://wiki.openstack.org/IscsiBlueprint about? | 14:04 |
| soren | For Nova. | 14:12 |
| soren | Adri2000: ^ | 14:12 |
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| fitzdsl_ | soren: so, VM in Nova should be able to mount iSCSI target ? | 14:13 |
| soren | fitzdsl_: There's never been anything stopping it from doing that. | 14:14 |
| soren | fitzdsl_: The spec is about using iSCSI instead of AoE for EBS volumes. | 14:14 |
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| piken | morning | 14:26 |
| chmouel | piken: good morning | 14:26 |
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| chmouel | jaypipes: so I was wondering from where I can grab the packaging branch for glance ? | 14:36 |
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| soren | chmouel: I don't think there is one. | 14:44 |
| chmouel | soren: there is a builddeb.sh in the root directory | 14:46 |
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| soren | chmouel: Good point. | 14:50 |
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| fitzdsl_ | what does mean "OpenStack Object Store does not support objects larger than 5 GB." ? What is an object for swift ? | 14:56 |
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| soren | fitzdsl_: A file. | 15:03 |
| larstobi | are any of you using java-cloudfiles successfully with Swift? | 15:04 |
| notmyname | larstobi: should work since the API is the same. are you having problems (although I'm not a java person) | 15:06 |
| larstobi | notmyname: well, the ruby-cloudfiles didn't work without commenting out the CDN-bits, so apparently it hasn't been tested against Swift. I have just tried java-cloudfiles against Swift with mixed results. | 15:07 |
| notmyname | how mixed? | 15:08 |
| larstobi | I'll paste | 15:09 |
| larstobi | notmyname: the code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/283/ the output: http://paste.openstack.org/show/284/ | 15:10 |
| larstobi | maybe I'm doing it wrong | 15:10 |
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| creiht | larstobi: I think there is a .properties file that you have to change the auth server in | 15:14 |
| creiht | fitzdsl_: objects == files, not objects in the programming sense of the word | 15:14 |
| larstobi | creiht: yes, this is the contents of that file: http://paste.openstack.org/show/285/ | 15:17 |
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| creiht | larstobi: ahh did you get things working with ssl? | 15:18 |
| larstobi | creiht: also, it doesn't err out on the client.login(); line, it's when it tries to create the directory that it bails out | 15:18 |
| notmyname | larstobi: don't pass in the auth url to the constructor | 15:18 |
| creiht | ahh | 15:18 |
| larstobi | creiht: yes, ssl works perfect with a slightly modified version of ruby-cloudfiles | 15:18 |
| creiht | cool | 15:19 |
| larstobi | :) | 15:19 |
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| larstobi | thanks for your help yesterday! | 15:19 |
| creiht | np... glad you got it working | 15:20 |
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| notmyname | larstobi: you should use the 2 param form of the constructor: FilesClient client = new FilesClient("test:tester", "testing"); | 15:21 |
| creiht | larstobi: does notmyname's suggestion help with getting the java api working? | 15:22 |
| larstobi | okay, I'll try that :) | 15:22 |
| larstobi | notmyname, creiht: wow! it kinda worked! | 15:23 |
| larstobi | I never would have guessed | 15:23 |
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| creiht | haha | 15:23 |
| creiht | man... hitachi has a great overview of what object storage is, but I can't seem to find it now | 15:23 |
| notmyname | creiht: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21194/distributed-object-store-principles-of-operation.pdf | 15:24 |
| notmyname | my copy of it | 15:25 |
| creiht | ahh cool | 15:25 |
| creiht | thanks | 15:25 |
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| creiht | fitzdsl_: -^ | 15:25 |
| notmyname | and yes, it's a very awesome paper | 15:25 |
| notmyname | larstobi: the primary maintainer of the java bindings for cloud files is planning to push some updates today. | 15:28 |
| larstobi | notmyname: cool :) are there any openstack-goodies there? | 15:28 |
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| larstobi | there has been a while since the last updates to java-cloudfiles, May 13, actually | 15:30 |
| notmyname | cloud files is open stack ;-) | 15:30 |
| chmouel | cloud-files == openstack swift so the goodies applying for cloudfiles should be the same for ostack swift :) | 15:30 |
| notmyname | ya | 15:30 |
| notmyname | delimiter support for container listings should be in there | 15:30 |
| larstobi | but what about that CDN-stuff that doesn't work with Swift? | 15:30 |
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| lvaughn | larstobi: I'm working on an update that should be out RSN | 15:30 |
| notmyname | it will still be there (because it's an important part of cloud files, the product) | 15:30 |
| larstobi | lvaughn: cool :) | 15:31 |
| creiht | larstobi: the cdn stuff should be optional | 15:31 |
| larstobi | okay | 15:32 |
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| creiht | it just so happened that the ruby bindings were depending on that stuff being there | 15:32 |
| larstobi | ah, I see | 15:32 |
| creiht | larstobi: I got an email from the maintainer that said he was going to look into it | 15:32 |
| larstobi | thanks | 15:32 |
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| larstobi | is there going to be a way to specify the auth_url in the FilesClient constructor, so that the .properties-file isn't necessary? | 15:34 |
| lvaughn | Yes there is | 15:34 |
| lvaughn | (that got added to my plans this morning) | 15:35 |
| larstobi | lvaughn: cool :) | 15:35 |
| creiht | larstobi: prompted by your input... isn't open source awesome :) | 15:36 |
| notmyname | we're all agile and stuff | 15:36 |
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| larstobi | creiht: very awesome, indeed :-) | 15:36 |
| larstobi | very agile, I'll say! | 15:36 |
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| fitzdsl_ | creiht: so we can't have a FS with a file larger than 5Gb on it , | 15:50 |
| fitzdsl_ | ? | 15:50 |
| creiht | fitzdsl_: swifr isn't a filesystem | 15:50 |
| creiht | swift | 15:50 |
| creiht | currently swift has a 5GB file size limitation, but the next release will allow virtually unlimited file sizes | 15:51 |
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| crazed | how's the web ui coming along for openstack? | 16:13 |
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| sandywalsh | is openstack discuss an active mailing list anymore | 16:27 |
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| spectorclan | sandywalsh: which list are you referring to? | 16:30 |
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| sandywalsh | spectorclan, one of the guys started a discussion on Openstack-discuss, but I don't see that list existing anymore (after The Great List Consolidation of 2010) | 16:37 |
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| spectorclan | sandywalsh: that is not a list I was familiar with at all. We have openstack-announce but I have not seen -discuss. Interesting. | 16:40 |
| eday | sandywalsh: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-discuss but we shouldn't be using it, we should be using https://launchpad.net/~openstack | 16:41 |
| * eday is not sure why -discuss exists | 16:42 | |
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| spectorclan | Cool Image from Mohamed El-Refaey on Nova Fabric at http://www.box.net/shared/static/ussls7gp2j.png | 16:43 |
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| sandywalsh | spectorclan, eday .... thanks, I'll pass the word | 16:46 |
| soren | eday: -discuss is a remnant from a time long past. | 16:47 |
| soren | eday: It was discontinued at the Austin summit, I believe. | 16:47 |
| notmyname | spectorclan: that's a really great image. makes things pretty clear. how accurate is it? | 16:49 |
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| spectorclan | notmyname: I will leave that up to the Nova experts... it is very pretty though | 16:49 |
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| notmyname | I'd love to see something similar for swift :-) | 16:50 |
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| soren | It's not entirely accurate. | 16:50 |
| spectorclan | soren: let me know what changes are needed and I can have it updated for everyone | 16:50 |
| soren | The annoying part about those things is that they're rarely editable. So you can either live with inaccurate, pretty images or accurate, ugly ones. | 16:51 |
| spectorclan | soren: I can ask for an editable image if that would be helpful | 16:51 |
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| soren | I guess it would. I just wouldn't be any good at the actual editing :) | 16:52 |
| soren | ..but I'm sure someone else with more a more artistic inclination could. | 16:53 |
| spectorclan | soren: I will ask Mohamed to jump on this IRC channel to get feedback on the image and make the changes to benefit everyone. | 16:53 |
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| chmouel | creith: by the way i have sent that pull request of that commit https://github.com/chmouel/ruby-cloudfiles/commit/0c00b2ce671b5e9ddde630c638ab2e5099e771d4 to have some support of swift openstack in ruby-cloudfiles | 17:01 |
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| chmouel | and that was quick it has been commited | 17:02 |
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| doude | Hi all, I've a problem with Nova. I can lunch Nova with VlanManager mode but when I tried to instaniated the first VM on a project, nova-network fail with this error : http://paste.openstack.org/show/286/ | 17:12 |
| doude | I check the db and in the network table i can see the entry for the network and in the column "bridge", the valur "br100" is set | 17:14 |
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| doude | Ok I found my error, I've a bug in my conf file | 17:24 |
| doude | sorry | 17:24 |
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| pvo | eday: are you saying have a different client cert in each guest or the same cert replicated? | 18:06 |
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| eday | pvo: gen a keypair for each guest agent | 18:08 |
| eday | pvo: actually, I wonder if just injecting a unique API key would be sufficient (along with the metadata cert CA check) | 18:12 |
| dabo | eday: are you envisioning an HMAC-type of authentication? | 18:19 |
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| BK_man | hi all. Which network managers are now known to work in Nova without additional manual configuration of host? | 18:22 |
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| eday | dabo: well, we could either do cert based or just reuse the API mechanism we already have in nova-api (with client-side CA verification) | 18:33 |
| eday | client-side keypairs might be overkill | 18:34 |
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| rlucio | hey guys, every once in a while (on Austin) I get "mysql server has gone away" errors from sqlalchemy. apparently it happens when the previously open db connections have timed out. is anyone familiar with this by chance? | 18:49 |
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| alekibango | rlucio: i got this few years ago, configured somehow the timeout/reconnect time, but i dont remember how right now... | 18:52 |
| vishy | BK_man: for 1 host FlatDhcp or Vlan | 18:53 |
| piken | Is there a way to setup nova to not do any iptables/ebtables, and only spawn vm's with an ip from a given static range? | 18:53 |
| vishy | BK_man: for multiple hosts, only VlanManager | 18:53 |
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| vishy | piken: FlatManager will do that | 18:53 |
| BK_man | vishy: great! thanks for an answer. | 18:54 |
| piken | vishy: I have tried that, but it always tries to setup iptables and ebtables. | 18:54 |
| vishy | piken: well actually that isn't completely true, the security groups will still do tables on host | 18:54 |
| piken | vishy: is there a way to disable that. | 18:54 |
| vishy | pken: yes, remove the filterrules from the libvirt template | 18:54 |
| vishy | piken ^^ | 18:54 |
| vishy | that's the simple / hacky way to do it anyway | 18:55 |
| rlucio | alekibango: yea, the default timeout in mysql is 8 hours... and sqlalchemy has a pool_recycle setting for reusing a group of connections... looking more at this on the sqlalchemy faq (apparently its a common issue, go figure) | 18:56 |
| piken | vishy: ty, I will have to try that as we have a set of static ip's needed for each physical node due to damn ofed issues. | 18:56 |
| alekibango | rlucio: i did that in SA 0.3 or 0.4 :) | 18:56 |
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| alekibango | i admired how the pool is done, its nice piece of code | 18:56 |
| vishy | rlucio: interesting, so if you don't run a command for eight hours it times out? | 18:57 |
| vishy | rlucio: that might explain an odd mysql error I've been seeing very rarely | 18:57 |
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| rlucio | vishy: yes, at least, that is the apparent association. we test all day, but then first thing the next morning we always get a 500 on the first test | 18:58 |
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| rlucio | i added in some debug logging and the ec2 api call fails inside the db request to get user data | 18:59 |
| alekibango | how to test: shorten those 8 hours to 1 minute | 18:59 |
| alekibango | or 10 seconds :) | 19:00 |
| alekibango | the system should still work | 19:00 |
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| rlucio | might be worth a try | 19:01 |
| rlucio | fyi: http://www.sqlalchemy.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#MySQLserverhasgoneawaypsycopg.InterfaceError:connectionalreadyclosed | 19:01 |
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| openstackhudson | Project nova build #301: SUCCESS in 1 min 15 sec: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/nova/301/ | 19:14 |
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| alekibango | rlucio: yes, pool recycle, thats what i used back then | 19:28 |
| alekibango | pool_recycle setting i mean | 19:29 |
| rlucio | alekibango: ah nice, guess the doc is accurate then :) | 19:29 |
| alekibango | hehe | 19:30 |
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| alekibango | rlucio: will you edit nova source? | 19:31 |
| rlucio | yea, i figured i should since i have an env already exhibiting the bug | 19:32 |
| rlucio | bug 690314 btw | 19:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 690314 in nova "Nova sqlalchemy mysql db connection timeout causes a 500 error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690314 | 19:32 |
| alekibango | u just hope it will not fail on sqlite or something :) | 19:33 |
| rlucio | yea i can test mysql and sqllite, but not postgres | 19:33 |
| alekibango | rlucio: i would use 1800 seconds for that one | 19:33 |
| rlucio | do you think there would be an issue? | 19:33 |
| alekibango | postgress will be ok | 19:33 |
| alekibango | dont know about sqlite, really dont know | 19:34 |
| alekibango | if sqlite will work, its ok | 19:34 |
| alekibango | (i dont think there is pooling of sqlite connections, heh) | 19:34 |
| rlucio | :) | 19:35 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #690314 in nova "Nova sqlalchemy mysql db connection timeout causes a 500 error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690314 | 19:36 |
| alekibango | rlucio: write it, i will review :) | 19:36 |
| rlucio | sounds good | 19:37 |
| alekibango | rlucio: my review has no real power, but still i will look :) | 19:38 |
| rlucio | lol | 19:39 |
| alekibango | btw some nova-volumes howto would be really sweet | 19:40 |
| alekibango | with everything explained... as there is no documentation on this | 19:42 |
| alekibango | annegentle: ^^ | 19:42 |
| annegentle | alekibango: yup | 19:42 |
| alekibango | fighting with it right now... | 19:43 |
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| annegentle | alekibango: boy, you're right. All I can find is http://nova.openstack.org/devref/volume.html | 19:44 |
| alekibango | there are only some sparse notes here and there | 19:45 |
| alekibango | btw i think reading sources is better then reading that url :) | 19:45 |
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| alekibango | as always, some (explained) real world examples would be nice | 19:46 |
| annegentle | alekibango: hee | 19:46 |
| alekibango | annegentle: btw i like how docs are moving into a shape now... | 19:47 |
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| ttx | Team meeting in #openstack-meeting in one hour ! | 19:59 |
| annegentle | alekibango: me too, but I want more howtos like you do :) Is the volume code undergoing change now, is that the difficulty? | 19:59 |
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| sandywalsh | chmouel, I see you have a python-cloudservers fork going as well. Mine is here: https://github.com/SandyWalsh/python-cloudservers | 20:02 |
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| sandywalsh | Could someone please have a look at myself & tr3buchet's merge proposal for xs-pause? https://code.launchpad.net/~sandy-walsh/nova/xs_pause/+merge/43694 (hoping to sneak it in before the eventlet switchover :) | 20:11 |
| tr3buchet | double please | 20:11 |
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| chmouel | sandywalsh: yeah but yours looks more complete! | 20:14 |
| chmouel | sandywalsh: I am not sure if the author is active on python-cloudservers | 20:14 |
| sandywalsh | chmouel, I don't think he is (he's pretty active with django I guess) | 20:15 |
| sandywalsh | chmouel, I think we ran into many of the same problems. I recently added some support for pause/unpause as some better error handling. | 20:15 |
| sandywalsh | *and | 20:15 |
| chmouel | it would be nice to move it to the rackspace github account and update in there | 20:16 |
| chmouel | nice | 20:16 |
| sandywalsh | I'll bring it up and see what the response is. | 20:16 |
| eday | sandywalsh: you may want to wait until the eventlet branch is in actually, merge conflicts will make the large, already reviewed branch even larger :) | 20:16 |
| eday | sandywalsh: plus give you a chance to learn how to do it in eventlet instead! | 20:17 |
| sandywalsh | eday, that's fair. I'm sure my required changes will be minimal. | 20:17 |
| sandywalsh | eday, but, if there is anything glaring ... | 20:17 |
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| sandywalsh | eday, any need/desire for me to do a review of the eventlet branch, or is it basically a done-deal? | 20:29 |
| eday | sandywalsh: always welcome, at this point we're just waiting on those fixes from termie | 20:30 |
| sandywalsh | eday, cool ... on it | 20:31 |
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| eday | Ryan_Lane|food, vishy: You guys have issues with making keypairs part of the User object in auth? Right now they just exist without much context, but really should be in the context of a user (I think). This means moving key_pair store into the auth_driver API | 20:38 |
| vishy | eday: not particularly. They used to be there actually | 20:39 |
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| vishy | in fact we might be able to grab some of the old code | 20:40 |
| vishy | :) | 20:40 |
| eday | vishy: know why they moved out? | 20:40 |
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| vishy | eday: I'm trying to remember, I think it had something to do with minimizing stuff in redis | 20:41 |
| alekibango | annegentle: i am not sure what you are asking... my difficulty is that there is so little documentation which will explain architecture and possibilities to deployers/admins --> see this: https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/137117 https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/137745 | 20:41 |
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| alekibango | worst on this is that i cannot really answer those 2 questions with confidence... | 20:42 |
| eday | vishy: huh, ok. well, I'll assume it doesn't apply anymore ;) | 20:42 |
| alekibango | there is low-level development documentations which is great, but not much higher level docs... | 20:43 |
| alekibango | and architecture needs to be explained better | 20:43 |
| vishy | eday: yes, I can't think of any current reason why it couldn't move back. Any idea if aws shares them across regions? | 20:43 |
| alekibango | and in detail | 20:43 |
| eday | vishy:"The key pair returned to you works only in the Region you're using when you create the key pair." | 20:45 |
| vishy | well i suppose that would be one reason... | 20:46 |
| eday | vishy: you need to use ImportKeyPair to share across regions | 20:46 |
| eday | well, that seems like more of a limitation of ec2, if our auth driver supports it, all the better | 20:47 |
| eday | ie, you might deploy one auth_driver instance per region still with nova | 20:47 |
| alekibango | annegentle: those two questions are less than day old, people do miss architecture docs a lot | 20:47 |
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| ttx | Meeting in one minute in #openstack-meeting ! | 20:59 |
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| Ryan_Lane|food | eday: I'm actually putting keypairs in LDAP | 21:32 |
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| ttx | annegentle: about doc-enhancements, you already started working on it, I suppose | 21:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | eday: but... I'm not using nova to push them to vms | 21:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | eday: do keypairs exist in the context of a project? | 21:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | or the context of a user? | 21:33 |
| annegentle | ttx: yep. We can talk tomorrow if that's easier for ya, too, I'm sure it's late :) | 21:33 |
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| ttx | annegentle: works for me :) | 21:33 |
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| annegentle | ttx: cool, talk to you tomorrow. | 21:35 |
| Ryan_Lane | eday: I'd much prefer the keys were stored in LDAP, though. it makes things easier for me | 21:35 |
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| jeremyb | Ryan_Lane: are you expecting other users for the extension any time soon? | 21:38 |
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| Ryan_Lane | jeremyb: unlikely, since at first the extension is going to be pretty WMF specific | 21:39 |
| Ryan_Lane | but I plan on generalizing it over time | 21:39 |
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| Ryan_Lane | and since other web interfaces will be release soon, I expect people will use those instead | 21:40 |
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| jeremyb | does the TS do any virt? | 21:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | nope | 21:41 |
| jeremyb | or they just use zones i guess | 21:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | the virt manager extension should be pretty nice when I'm done though | 21:42 |
| jeremyb | Ryan_Lane: would you call the extension "homebrew"? :-P | 21:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | lol | 21:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | well, it *is* homebrew, right? | 21:42 |
| jeremyb | yup! | 21:42 |
| Ryan_Lane | when a user creates a wiki account, it automatically adds nova credentials for them, and gives them a system uid/gid. nova projects are also posix security groups, so when you add someone to a project, they are also in that group on the vms | 21:43 |
| Ryan_Lane | keys are stored with their account in ldap, and there are scripts on the vms that make home directories and add the keys, pulled from ldap | 21:44 |
| Ryan_Lane | ssh access will be restricted via pam_access. so users can only log into vms that are in projects that they belong to | 21:44 |
| Ryan_Lane | sudo access will be granted via ldap as well | 21:45 |
| Ryan_Lane | all managed via mediawiki | 21:45 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I'm adding puppet integration via ldap as well | 21:45 |
| Ryan_Lane | also managed via mediawiki | 21:45 |
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| Ryan_Lane | each instance will have a mediawiki page. the instance information will be pulled from nova and ldap, and added to the page via the external data extension. I'll wrap the pulled information in semantic properties | 21:46 |
| Ryan_Lane | that way you'll be able to query the instance information in the wiki | 21:47 |
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| jeremyb | are posix groups also mw groups? | 21:49 |
| Ryan_Lane | yes | 21:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | and projects are mediawiki namespaces | 21:51 |
| jeremyb | oooh, smw? | 21:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 21:52 |
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| nelson__ | How many containers can a swift system have? | 21:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | projects being namespaces are my favorite so far :) | 21:52 |
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| creiht | nelson__: In theory, virtually unlimited :) | 21:53 |
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| creiht | In practice, once you get into the order of millions of containers, you will start noticing slow down | 21:54 |
| nelson__ | cool. Cuz we're going to immediately run into the 1M/container limit. | 21:54 |
| nelson__ | Oh, okay, millions of files, millions of containers. Gotcha. | 21:54 |
| creiht | yeah, the limitations are similar | 21:54 |
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| eday | Ryan_Lane: keypairs belong to users | 21:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | eday: ah. that's good. | 21:55 |
| eday | Ryan_Lane: I am moving it into the auth API, so this will work out well | 21:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | great | 21:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | we need to put the lpk schema back in, then | 21:55 |
| creiht | nelson__: we have some ideas to make the container limitations better, but that will probably be a ways down the road | 21:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | or did that change get merged in yet? | 21:56 |
| nelson__ | don't worry about arbitrary limitations ... we'll be able to work around them. | 21:56 |
| creiht | cool | 21:56 |
| Ryan_Lane | eday: I've been making schema modifications lately. let me know what you are planning so I don't yank out support that you need | 21:56 |
| eday | Ryan_Lane: I'm not touching ldap at all, I'm just modifying the dbdriver for auth, and auth interfaces around it | 21:57 |
| Ryan_Lane | ah. ok | 21:57 |
| eday | Ryan_Lane: trying to get proper APIs on thigns rather than different parts just poking directly at the db | 21:57 |
| Ryan_Lane | then it seems the ldap driver should likely support it to, right? | 21:57 |
| Ryan_Lane | *too | 21:57 |
| eday | Ryan_Lane: correct | 21:58 |
| Ryan_Lane | ok. I'll avoid removing that schema then | 21:58 |
| eday | Ryan_Lane: it will need to provide functions for list/add/remove keypairs for users | 21:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | key names are a problem... | 21:59 |
| Ryan_Lane | keys are added to the user's entry, they aren't separate objects | 22:00 |
| eday | so you only get one per user? | 22:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | multiple per user | 22:01 |
| Ryan_Lane | no names for the keys though | 22:01 |
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| Ryan_Lane | it's a multi-value attribute | 22:01 |
| eday | ahh | 22:01 |
| eday | can we just write a new ldap schema that includes names? | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | hmm | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | probably... | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | I hate adding schema though | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | might be able to fake the names via a hash | 22:02 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's how I'm handling it in my web interface now | 22:02 |
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| eday | ok, well whatever you think will work best | 22:03 |
| eday | pubkeys usually have the name appended to them, so perhaps you can just use that | 22:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | though that would make the api feel awkward | 22:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 22:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | could | 22:03 |
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| eday | and grab all from ldap then filter on name | 22:03 |
| Ryan_Lane | though not all do, and imported keys may not | 22:04 |
| Ryan_Lane | nova doesn't support imported keys yet, but it probably should | 22:04 |
| eday | if it;s coming in via nova, it will | 22:04 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah | 22:05 |
| eday | it's part of ec2 api, so it should be easy to add in | 22:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | imported keys are, right | 22:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | but that's actually more problematic :) | 22:05 |
| Ryan_Lane | since not all imported keys are going to have a name appended | 22:05 |
| eday | Ryan_Lane: well, the ec2 interface requires it, but if you import out of band, yeah.. might just want to assign some default name | 22:06 |
| Ryan_Lane | I'll have to think about how to do it | 22:06 |
| Ryan_Lane | an added schema may be easier | 22:06 |
| Ryan_Lane | or maybe I'll just figure out how to parse the keys to add the name in the key in a way that won't invalidate it :) | 22:08 |
| eday | why not just append it like ssh does? | 22:10 |
| Ryan_Lane | an imported key may already have it | 22:10 |
| eday | well, when we get that import, we'll overwrite it with the given name | 22:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah. | 22:11 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's why I'd need to parse the key, to see if it has it or not :) | 22:11 |
| eday | or the ec2 api would, don't need to in ldap | 22:12 |
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| Ryan_Lane | most keys are <key-type> <key> <keyname> | 22:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | some are <key> | 22:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | others are <key> <keyname> | 22:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | others are <keytype> <key> | 22:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | eday: right | 22:13 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's likely easier :) | 22:13 |
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| eday | well, keytype is easy to detect, there are only so many we'll support | 22:17 |
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| Ryan_Lane | should be any ssh supports, right? | 22:17 |
| Ryan_Lane | dsa and rsa | 22:17 |
| eday | yeah, although ec2 (the real one, not ours) supports rfc4716 and base64 DER (not sure how they differ) | 22:18 |
| eday | but we may not support all those | 22:18 |
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| Ryan_Lane | eday: ah. right. I'll look at rfc4716 to see how to parse it then | 22:25 |
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| vishy-afk | Ryan_Lane: I was storing keys by name using the user as the parent tree. I think there is/was a novaKeyPair class that used the public key and stored a fingerprint as well. | 22:29 |
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| vishy | Ryan_Lane, eday: you can probably save work by going back to 4 month old revision and grabbing the code from there | 22:30 |
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| Ryan_Lane | well... | 22:30 |
| Ryan_Lane | storing entries under user entries would be very un-LDAP like | 22:30 |
| vishy | :) | 22:30 |
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| Ryan_Lane | more than just a little too | 22:30 |
| vishy | there seems to be a recurring theme with how I use LDAP | 22:31 |
| vishy | :) | 22:31 |
| Ryan_Lane | like it may break things | 22:31 |
| Ryan_Lane | when you add objects under other objects it makes deletes impossible without using recursion | 22:31 |
| Ryan_Lane | for user accounts that would be bad, since most ldap tools can't handle that | 22:31 |
| Ryan_Lane | I think using the keyname field in the key is likely better | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | and generating the fingerprint on the fly would work too | 22:32 |
| Ryan_Lane | it requires a little more coding, but is more standard | 22:32 |
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| Ryan_Lane | rfc4716 format would make parsing the key really easy.... | 22:44 |
| Ryan_Lane | x-keyname: <keyname> as a header | 22:45 |
| * soren chuckles at just having proposed the third raw-disk-images branch (justinsb's and dendrobates' being the former ones) | 22:46 | |
| soren | What the.. | 22:48 |
| alekibango | lol | 22:49 |
| soren | Apparantly my proposal made dendrobates' vanish. | 22:49 |
| alekibango | how many merge requests are here now? is it -lt 10 already? | 22:49 |
| soren | 20-ish. | 22:49 |
| soren | For Nova. | 22:49 |
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| alekibango | maybe that should be worked on :) | 22:49 |
| soren | Stuff lands every single day. | 22:50 |
| soren | But yeah, that needs to be a smaller number. | 22:50 |
| alekibango | >10 is making it more crazy | 22:50 |
| alekibango | like i said, we need to hold on our hairs | 22:50 |
| alekibango | hats are off now | 22:50 |
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| soren | g'night. | 23:29 |
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