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| Manikandan1 | hi when i submit a request to create VM, it is in networking state, when i saw the log file it gives NoMoreAddress:None(Network) | 05:02 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #734680 in burrow "Command nova-manage instance_types list error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734680 | 07:16 |
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| soren | ttx: Do you know if anyone is working on packaging the dashboard? | 08:53 |
| ttx | soren: zul talked about packaging it... not sure where that is now | 08:54 |
| ttx | soren: is bug 733609 affacting all instances start ? | 08:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 733609 in nova "Failed to spawn an instance : AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'fileno'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/733609 | 08:55 |
| soren | ttx: Do you know of any packaged django sites? I know there are a bunch of django modules, but I can | 08:55 |
| soren | t seem to spot any actual django based sites that are packaged. | 08:55 |
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| soren | ttx: Let me check. | 08:55 |
| ttx | soren: no, I don't know of any | 08:55 |
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| soren | ttx: Oh, I know what the problem is there. | 09:02 |
| soren | ttx: No, it won't happen every time. At all. | 09:02 |
| * soren fixes | 09:02 | |
| * ttx prioritizes accordingly. | 09:02 | |
| soren | It's important, though. | 09:03 |
| soren | It'll cause quite random failures. | 09:03 |
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| ttx | soren: could you put https://code.launchpad.net/~nttdata/nova/live-migration/+merge/49699 back to Needs Review ? See my last comment | 09:07 |
| soren | ttx: I don't see your comment there yet. | 09:08 |
| soren | Ah, there it is. | 09:09 |
| soren | ttx: done | 09:09 |
| ttx | thx | 09:09 |
| ttx | (feel free to approve it, btw :) | 09:09 |
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| headoff | Does anyone know if there is a way to override the ip selection of an instance, to be able to select the preferred ip when launching | 09:49 |
| soren | It's not. What's the use case? | 09:50 |
| headoff | to specify different IP's on machines to be able to run "networks" within the project. Have older systems that are network related and want to move them to cloud environment | 09:52 |
| headoff | I want to specify different IPs on machines so they are placed in different LANs using regular network separation rules | 09:54 |
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| naehring | Hi there. For my personal understanding: is it possible or will it be possible to use glance for persistent volumes not only for vm images? | 09:57 |
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| Manikandan1 | hi when i submit a request to create VM, it is in networking status for a long time, when i saw the log file it gives RemoteError : NoMoreAddress:None | 10:00 |
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| eikke | is there some Debian repository containing packages for Swift out there? | 10:05 |
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| headoff | Manikandan1: What network manager are u using? | 10:17 |
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| soren | eikke: I'd be surprised if the Ubuntu packages didn't work on Debian. | 10:32 |
| soren | headoff: Why do you want to move it into a "cloud environment"? | 10:33 |
| soren | headoff: I'm asking because all the stuff you're saying sounds like you're perfectly happy with the stuff rigth where it already is. | 10:33 |
| eikke | soren: debian doesnt have python-eventlet, so I guess a repo should contain that (as an example) | 10:38 |
| Manikandan1 | nova network manager | 10:42 |
| headoff | soren: that's just one of the reasons, I also want to create a virtual network for testing purpose. To see if e.g. a network protocol behaves as it is supposed to i want to test it in a virtual environment to begtin with. That's why i ask if there is a possibility to control the network settings on each VM independently so i can create some usecase scenarios from a real network | 10:42 |
| soren | eikke: We have eventlet in the repository as well. | 10:50 |
| soren | eikke: Just grab it from Ubuntu. Should work fine. | 10:50 |
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| eikke | soren: will try... if I can figure out the repo URI (looks like debian doesnt have any ppa:* support) | 10:53 |
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| soren | eikke: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/swift-core/trunk/ubuntu natty main | 11:45 |
| soren | eikke: You might want to replace natty with maverick. There's a chance the natty toolchain is too new for Debian. | 11:45 |
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| soren | headoff: It doesn't sound like "cloud" is what you want. | 11:50 |
| soren | headoff: It sounds more like bog standard virtualisation. | 11:50 |
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| eikke | soren: thanks for those pointers, will test | 12:42 |
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| dscastro | hi | 13:02 |
| dscastro | does openstack supports ebs boot ? | 13:04 |
| soren | Not yet, no. | 13:06 |
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| dscastro | so .. what should i do to get persistence? | 13:09 |
| soren | You can put the stuff you need persisten on EBS, I guess. | 13:11 |
| soren | I wonder what the OpenStack API+Xen guys are doing with this. | 13:11 |
| soren | ttx: Do you know? | 13:11 |
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| ttx | soren: not really | 13:16 |
| eikke | soren: with some help of strace, maverick ubuntu packages running in a debian squeeze chroot'ed system on an F14 system runs fine. thanks for the help! | 13:22 |
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| soren | eikke: What did you need strace for? | 13:29 |
| eikke | not using a partition for the storage but a normal folder, forgot to disable mount checks in the configuration, but logging didnt show anything usable | 13:31 |
| soren | Which mount checks? | 13:31 |
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| eikke | a useful message is passed between account-server and (I think?) auth-server in the HTTP response when trying to create an account in such scenario using devauth | 13:32 |
| soren | Oh, right, right. | 13:32 |
| soren | I was thinking of Nova and got confused. | 13:32 |
| eikke | I experienced this before in earlier testing | 13:32 |
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| openstackhudson | Project nova build #634: SUCCESS in 1 min 55 sec: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/nova/634/ | 14:43 |
| openstackhudson | Tarmac: fixes: 733137 | 14:43 |
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| Ryan_Lane | when will 2011.1.1 be added to the release ppa? | 14:46 |
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| mustfg2 | is http://smoser.brickies.net/ubuntu/ttylinux-uec/ down ? where else can i get an image, with ramdisk ... | 15:07 |
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| smoser | mustfg2, yes it is down. | 15:08 |
| smoser | all dreamhost.com is down | 15:08 |
| smoser | https://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23dreamhost | 15:08 |
| smoser | (which is my provider) | 15:08 |
| smoser | mustfg2, if you really need it "RIGHT NOW", i can probably get you something, but it will be a pain for me also | 15:09 |
| mustfg2 | ^^ | 15:09 |
| uvirtbot | mustfg2: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 15:09 |
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| mustfg2 | its ok | 15:10 |
| mustfg2 | im searching for one in my network | 15:10 |
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| mustfg2 | up | 15:18 |
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| openstackhudson | Project swift build #219: SUCCESS in 29 sec: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/swift/219/ | 15:31 |
| openstackhudson | Tarmac: rename var | 15:31 |
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| timbo_ | hi. i'd like to know if there is a way to make vm images persistent in openstack. i couldn't find any hints on it in launchpad | 15:43 |
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| openstackhudson | Project nova build #635: SUCCESS in 1 min 54 sec: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/nova/635/ | 15:48 |
| openstackhudson | Tarmac: Make nova-dhcpbridge output lease information in dnsmasq's leasesfile format. | 15:48 |
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| mustfg2 | do i have to type the "nova-manage floating create <host> <iprange> " the ip range in Cidr format ? | 15:55 |
| mustfg2 | or can i provide the floating ip´s on another way ? | 15:56 |
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| markwash | sorry if I'm repeating someone else, but it looks like nova trunk got merged with pep8 errors | 16:00 |
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| sirp_ | markwash: which version of pep8 are you using? | 16:02 |
| markwash | sirp_: 0.5.0 | 16:03 |
| jaypipes | ttx: are we going to pull the trigger on live-migration or what? :) | 16:03 |
| sirp_ | markwash: ah ok, i think we're using 0.6 now | 16:03 |
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| markwash | sirp_: yeah, it looks like its all E202. . perhaps that is ignored in 0.6? | 16:04 |
| ttx | jaypipes: yes, hit it! | 16:05 |
| sirp_ | markwash: yep, i think that was a false-positive that was removed in 0.6 | 16:05 |
| ttx | jaypipes: I don't want to delay it on additional pre-flight checks, especialy since Kei might not have time to do it now... and concentrate on fixing potential merge issues | 16:06 |
| jaypipes | ttx: ++ | 16:07 |
| jaypipes | ttx: off to the tarmac pit. | 16:07 |
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| * ttx prays for it not to have caught conflicts in the mean time | 16:07 | |
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| justinsb | soren: Are you working on the bugs where we should check that instances are actually running? 661214 and 661260? ttx said you might be, otherwise I'll take them on... | 16:14 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: bah, text conflict in nova/tests/test_virt.py. Now if Kei has no time to fix it, we might think about fixing it for him. | 16:18 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: bah. | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | ttx: want me to fix the conflict and push? | 16:22 |
| ttx | jaypipes: sounds like a good deed. | 16:22 |
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| jaypipes | ttx: k, will do. | 16:23 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #734912 in nova "EC2 API does not support filters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734912 | 16:24 |
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| mtaylor | soren, ttx, jaypipes: I'm installing an openid plugin for jenkins so I can tie user accounts to launchpad accounts and grant permissions based on teams | 16:25 |
| mtaylor | which launchpad team should have hudson admin access? | 16:26 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: the team of ttx. | 16:27 |
| ttx | hrm. | 16:28 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: that's quite a few less people than currently have admin access ... | 16:28 |
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| mtaylor | I should change the name of the IRC bot user... | 16:28 |
| ttx | mtaylor: let me think about it for two min. | 16:28 |
| mtaylor | ttx: ok. no pressure - for now we can continue with granting permissions to single users | 16:28 |
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| mtaylor | ttx: but as of today, hudson will understand the teams that we are members of - so we can use that if we want | 16:29 |
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| mtaylor | also as of today, jenkins will be set up to use launchpad openid as a SSO, so if you're logged in to launchpad you should be logged in to hudson too :) | 16:29 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: I was joking :) Personally, I don't need access. I just ask you to do shit. :) | 16:32 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: yes. I know :) | 16:33 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: :P | 16:34 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: there is no real existing group of "people knowing hudson that might want to add new jobs"... so we can create one, or we can reuse a larger group... | 16:41 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: but I can't find one remotely matching who we need in there | 16:42 |
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| ttx | mtaylor: so maybe we should just have an ~openstack-jenkins-hackers | 16:42 |
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| mtaylor | ttx: ok - well - for right now I'm hitting a NPE problem - so it may still be a few moments | 16:44 |
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| justinsb | devcamcar, ttx: Is the branching model / release model documented anywhere? Otherwise I think it would be a good topic for discussion at the summit and I'll propose it | 16:47 |
| ttx | justinsb: yes it is. Let me unearth the links... | 16:47 |
| ttx | justinsb: http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseCycle - http://wiki.openstack.org/BlueprintsLifecycle - http://wiki.openstack.org/LifeWithBzrAndLaunchpad | 16:49 |
| ttx | justinsb: let me know if there is anything missing... and yes, we can definitely discuss improvements/changes to the process at the design summit. | 16:50 |
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| justinsb | ttx: I think all the details are there, but it looks like a closed-source process to me. Do you know if we explicitly rejected models that had multiple branches open at once? I think better use of branches could solve a whole bunch of our problems at once | 16:54 |
| ttx | justinsb: i'm not sure where you get the impression of a closed-source / single-branch model. feel free to open as many branches as you want :) | 16:55 |
| justinsb | ttx: How do I open nova/diablo? | 16:55 |
| ttx | justinsb: at this point, nova/diablo would mean nothing. nova/diablo is the name of the trunk once we release cactus... | 16:56 |
| justinsb | ttx: So that's a "one branch open at once" model to me | 16:56 |
| ttx | justinsb: if your idea is to divert reviewing resources to get some kind of blessed diablo stuff, while we didn't have the design summit yet... | 16:56 |
| ttx | but nothing prevents you from having your own diablo branch(es) | 16:57 |
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| justinsb | ttx: I think you're talking about a (valid) criticism of an alternate model there, but I'm just asking to be brought up to speed on whether the alternate models have been considered | 16:57 |
| justinsb | ttx: I don't want to rehash old ground | 16:57 |
| ttx | justinsb: the reason why we don't have multiple "nova-core" trunk branches is about focusing the efforts | 16:58 |
| ttx | if we open ~nova-core/diablo now, it's a recipe to get less QA on cactus | 16:58 |
| justinsb | ttx: Sure, but is that a community-agreed decision, or is it a de-facto decision? | 16:58 |
| ttx | justinsb: But i'm open to revisit that at the design summit | 16:58 |
| justinsb | ttx: OK, I'll propose it as a topic for the summit | 16:58 |
| justinsb | ttx: I really think it could make everyone a lot happier | 16:58 |
| ttx | justinsb: it was already in when I joined, no idea if this was discussed at the austin summit | 16:59 |
| justinsb | ttx: Ah, well I know it wasn't at the August summit. (If that was Austin) | 16:59 |
| ttx | justinsb: if it was in austin, that's the austin summit :) | 16:59 |
| justinsb | ttx: :-) | 17:00 |
| ttx | justinsb: I just don't see the advantages of multiple nova-core branches vs. experimental dev branches -- but I guess that's the substance of the discussion we'll have :) | 17:01 |
| justinsb | ttx: I think a lot of other open source projects have had great success with it, so I think it does warrant a discussion. | 17:01 |
| ttx | justinsb: it's not as if Linux had 2.6.39 branches open. | 17:02 |
| ttx | Linus, I mean | 17:02 |
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| justinsb | ttx: If we adopt the Linux kernel model, I'll be very happy. | 17:02 |
| justinsb | ttx: Here's a nice summary of a more advanced model: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ | 17:02 |
| justinsb | ttx: It allows for stabilization on a 'release' branch while progress continues on a 'dev' branch | 17:03 |
| ttx | justinsb: I fail to see how our model is different. If you consider nova-core = Linus. | 17:03 |
| alekibango | heh. i would love git :) | 17:03 |
| justinsb | ttx: I'll study the details of how the Linux model works in practice | 17:04 |
| ttx | justinsb: ok, let's keep the argument for the summit, should be more fun :) | 17:04 |
| justinsb | ttx: Agreed! | 17:04 |
| ttx | alekibango: don't start me up on that. It's EOD here :) | 17:05 |
| alekibango | ttx: dont worry... :) | 17:05 |
| justinsb | ttx: I don't think we're arguing though... just debating. | 17:06 |
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| ttx | justinsb: last remark before I leave -- stabilization of a release branch while the dev branch continues : that doesn't work so well when nobody is actually assigned to do QA. | 17:07 |
| ttx | works very well when some group is -- see the Chrome model. | 17:08 |
| justinsb | ttx: The advantage is that QA people can focus on a stabilization branch, while developers work on new features | 17:08 |
| justinsb | ttx: And never the twain shall meet :-) | 17:08 |
| ttx | justinsb: sure. But who are "QA people" ? | 17:08 |
| ttx | it's an open source project. Everyone wants to be a developer. | 17:09 |
| justinsb | ttx: If you expect devs to be QA people, then we have a bigger problem :-) | 17:09 |
| ttx | justinsb: maybe we have, yes. ok, gtg :) | 17:09 |
| justinsb | ttx: ttfn | 17:10 |
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| pvo | justinsb: ttx: for the record, we follow the nvie model for our internal stuff. it does work pretty well. | 17:16 |
| justinsb | pvo: Internal = inside rackspace? | 17:17 |
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| pvo | justinsb: yea, but not all of rackspace. Just our particular dev team. | 17:17 |
| justinsb | pvo: OK. I'll add that info to the blueprint for discussion when I submit it (and read up about nvie first!) | 17:18 |
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| justinsb | pvo: Oh - it's the URL of the page I submitted. Doh! | 17:19 |
| _0x44 | ttx: Since RAX is paying them it could be that the QA team is the #ozone team that aren't on nova-core. | 17:19 |
| jaypipes | justinsb: you happy oblivious little child! | 17:19 |
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| justinsb | jaypipes: I've got to have fun sometimes when I'm not ranting about branching models :-) | 17:21 |
| _0x44 | ttx: Or anyone else that the partner companies chose to hire to contribute to a more stable trunk. | 17:21 |
| jaypipes | justinsb: :) | 17:21 |
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| pvo | _0x44: we do have actual QA though. I'd like to get them integrated into the model and processes. | 17:21 |
| _0x44 | pvo: The QA team there didn't do any development when I was working for you, has that changed? | 17:22 |
| jaypipes | ttx: FYI, got boatloads of sqlalchemy-migrate errors when trying the live-migration patch... trying to figure out the source of these. | 17:22 |
| pvo | _0x44: not yet! | 17:22 |
| pvo | : ) | 17:22 |
| westmaas_ | _0x44: but very soon :) | 17:23 |
| _0x44 | pvo: That would have to change before we could hand over maintenance/stability of trunk to them. | 17:23 |
| pvo | _0x44: you're going to be in Santa Clara in April, right/ | 17:23 |
| pvo | ? | 17:23 |
| _0x44 | pvo: Yessir | 17:23 |
| pvo | _0x44: completely agree. First step is to get them looking at trunk and filing bugs. | 17:23 |
| _0x44 | Although perhaps it really is nova-core that should be QA and not really developing features at all. | 17:24 |
| _0x44 | It's boring, but -core shouldn't be exciting. | 17:25 |
| justinsb | pvo: I didn't mean that QA wouldn't be welcome on dev (all hands welcome)... just that devs wouldn't be allowed to break the "QA" release branch once it was opened with their cool new features | 17:25 |
| justinsb | I can tell this is going to be a fun summit discussion! | 17:25 |
| creiht | throwing code over a fence never turns out well | 17:26 |
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| pvo | justinsb: agreed. looking forward to it | 17:26 |
| _0x44 | creiht: It isn't throwing over the fence so much as "Hey neckbeard, if this breaks... fix it" | 17:26 |
| justinsb | I think someone should provide these: http://www.amazon.com/GIANT-WHOPPAIR-INFLATABLE-BOXING-GLOVES/dp/B001C1K9QG/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1300123583&sr=1-2-catcorr | 17:26 |
| jaypipes | pvo: the nvie model is basically what myself and others have proposed... having a stage/develop branch that acts as the trunk for development, and a stable master that essentially acts as the ongoing releaseable turnk. | 17:27 |
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| jaypipes | pvo: the problem is when you've got lots of teams. The nvie model breaks down when multiple teams want different "develop" branches. | 17:27 |
| justinsb | jaypipes: That problem feels pretty similar to the problems the linux kernel has | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | pvo: in other words, if we adopted the nvie model, Ozone, Anso, Citrix would all have "develop" branches, making the overall release process much more complex. | 17:28 |
| _0x44 | jaypipes: Not really, they're just meta-develop branches over a semi-stable develop branch... | 17:28 |
| jaypipes | _0x44: sorry, not following you on that... in the nvie model, the "develop" branch isn't particularly stable. | 17:29 |
| justinsb | jaypipes: Have you formally proposed a discussion for the design summit? If so, I'll just add on to it. If not, I'll open it... | 17:29 |
| _0x44 | jaypipes: Right... but it's more stable than the topic branches. | 17:29 |
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| jaypipes | justinsb: feel free, please! | 17:29 |
| justinsb | jaypipes: Will do! | 17:30 |
| jaypipes | _0x44: in the nvie model, the "develop" branch is basically what our current trunk is... | 17:30 |
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| jaypipes | _0x44: which is "more stable" than the topic branches, but I think you'd agree that our trunk is far from "stable" ;) | 17:30 |
| _0x44 | jaypipes: Right. I was responding to """nvie model breaks down when multiple teams want different "develop" branches. | 17:30 |
| _0x44 | """ | 17:30 |
| _0x44 | Not to Ozone, Anso, and Citrix having separate develop branches. | 17:31 |
| _0x44 | In nvie, each of those would be considered topic branches of the main develop branch. | 17:31 |
| jaypipes | I maintain that while we can improve the release/branch model with a "higher" set of stabler branches, that the *real* increases in stability are going to come from more and better automated tests (functional, not unit) | 17:31 |
| _0x44 | And the subsequent topic branches of their meta-develop branches wouldn't even be considered by mainline. | 17:31 |
| jaypipes | _0x44: sure, ok, I understand you now. | 17:32 |
| _0x44 | I completely agree about functional testing. | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | _0x44: I figured you would! :) | 17:32 |
| _0x44 | Well in that case... | 17:32 |
| _0x44 | :P | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 17:32 |
| pvo | jaypipes: not saying Openstack should move, just that we already do Nvie for internal projects. | 17:32 |
| jaypipes | pvo: oh, I think we *should* move! :) | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | pvo: I was just saying a number of us have brought the idea up already.. | 17:33 |
| pvo | yep yep | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | pvo: no disagreement from me! :) | 17:33 |
| jaypipes | pvo: sorry if I sounded like I was in discord | 17:33 |
| pvo | no worries. lunch! | 17:33 |
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| dw_jake | hey guys, I am trying out openstack now, and new instances I created always stuck at 'networking' stage. Does anyone know how to solve this? thanks | 17:42 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #734964 in nova "Design Summit Blueprints Don't Show Up In Summary Page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734964 | 17:47 |
| openstackjenkins | Project nova build #636: SUCCESS in 1 min 54 sec: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/nova/636/ | 17:53 |
| openstackjenkins | Tarmac: Only include kernel and ramdisk ID in meta-data output if they are actually set. | 17:53 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: do you know of a good alternative to webex - they seem to be charging now | 17:54 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: dimdim | 17:55 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: it's excellent. works on linux, too. | 17:55 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: that's how I recorded the last Drizzle developer tutorial. Worked a charm. | 17:55 |
| mtaylor | "Dimdim has been acquired by Salesforce.com" | 17:55 |
| mtaylor | jesus | 17:55 |
| jaypipes | AHHHHH! | 17:55 |
| jaypipes | NOOOOO! | 17:55 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: well, there goes DimDim. | 17:57 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: oh good- they're letting those of us with accounts still host meetings for now | 17:57 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: ah, cool. | 17:58 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: AND - they expire tomorrow | 17:58 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: yup. they're completely shutting it down it seems | 17:59 |
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| mtaylor | fucking ass balls | 18:00 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: fuck SF.com. | 18:00 |
| * mtaylor hates sf.com | 18:00 | |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: just like Oracle... can't innovate better than the smaller competition, so we'll just buy it and shut it down. | 18:00 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: https://code.launchpad.net/~mordred/glance/alternate-test-dburi/+merge/52587 .. | 18:06 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #734978 in nova "pep8 errors on trunk r797" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/734978 | 18:06 |
| jaypipes | dprince, sirp_: case you missed it :) https://code.launchpad.net/~jaypipes/glance/bug720816/+merge/52617 | 18:06 |
| dprince | jaypipes: excellent. Will check it out. | 18:07 |
| jaypipes | dprince: cheers mate | 18:07 |
| sirp_ | jaypipes: yep, good stuff, should get to that shortly | 18:07 |
| jaypipes | sirp_: thx :) | 18:09 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: is that waiting on something? | 18:13 |
| mtaylor | jaypipes: cause I changed them to have two instead of three slashes | 18:13 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: merge conflicts... | 18:13 |
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| openstackjenkins | Project nova build #637: SUCCESS in 2 min 8 sec: http://hudson.openstack.org/job/nova/637/ | 18:18 |
| openstackjenkins | Tarmac: NTT's live-migration branch, merged with trunk, conflicts resolved, and migrate file renamed. | 18:18 |
| kpepple | jaypipes: i have a patch for the live-migration branch ... "$ nova-manage vm live-migration" is b0rked (small typo). should i just attach a patch to the merge request ? | 18:18 |
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| kpepple | jaypipes: nm, looks like you already merged it | 18:20 |
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| jaypipes | kpepple: sorry! :( | 18:23 |
| jaypipes | kpepple: another merge prop will have to do! | 18:23 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #735005 in nova "small typo in nova-manage vm live-migration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735005 | 18:47 |
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| thielmann_ | I'm unable to SSH into my instance from outside using a floating IP. Any idea on what I'm doing wrong? (Using bexar on Ubuntu 10.04). Here's my iptables information: http://pastebin.com/BEmEgxSd | 19:00 |
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| zul | jaypipes: thanks! | 19:08 |
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| mtaylor | jaypipes: ok. just merged with trunk and fixed the merge conflicts | 19:10 |
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| thielmann_ | Here's an additional information: If I ssh from outside, the PREROUTING-rule seems to get hit, but I'm still unable to connect. I just have no clue on how to debug this issue. | 19:12 |
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| jaypipes | zul: of course :) | 19:16 |
| jaypipes | mtaylor: thx | 19:16 |
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| thielmann_ | Additional information regarding my problem on https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/149013 Any help debugging this issue is very much appreciated. | 19:21 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #735050 in nova "ubuntu packages missing cpuinfo.xml.template" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735050 | 19:51 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Sounds awesome. | 20:12 |
| soren | justinsb: If you want to grab them, that would be awesome. I'd much rather spend time on getting these integration tests running better. | 20:12 |
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| justinsb | soren: I've got them - thanks | 20:26 |
| Ryan_Lane | when will 2011.1.1 packages be added to the release ppa? | 20:26 |
| soren | justinsb: Just sent you an e-mail on the subject. Don't know if you saw? | 20:28 |
| justinsb | soren: Just saw email. Good point on EC2 vs Rackspace persistence approach. I think there are a whole bunch of issues, so I'm going to start by fixing the 'instance crashes while nova-compute is running' issue and then try to open more focused bugs | 20:29 |
| justinsb | soren: e.g. I don't think we should be dealing with restarting nova-compute after a crash, that's the operating system's job | 20:30 |
| soren | justinsb: Definitely. | 20:34 |
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| soren | Hey, Ozone guys... How are you guys handling the case where a host is rebooted? Are instances automatically persistent with the Xen backend? | 20:35 |
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| dragondm | yes, although they need to be restarted IIRC | 20:37 |
| soren | *sigh* | 20:37 |
| soren | We really need to get this stuff aligned. | 20:37 |
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| justinsb | Let's agree correct behaviour ... if I restart a host machine, all the VMs that were running should be restarted? | 20:38 |
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| justinsb | Although soren pointed out in his email that this is different to how EC2 does things | 20:38 |
| dragondm | ya | 20:38 |
| soren | justinsb: I don't believe there's a single correct answer to that question. | 20:38 |
| justinsb | So soren pointed out that we would probably want a 'persistent' flag here | 20:38 |
| dragondm | i'm not really sure why you would want your instance to go away if the host is rebooted. | 20:39 |
| justinsb | soren: True :-( | 20:39 |
| justinsb | dragondm: Because you may have already launched a new one | 20:39 |
| soren | Right. In the EC2 world, instances are aggressively transient. They can disappear if a host gets rebooted, in case of hardware failure, or if someone at Amazon is bored. | 20:40 |
| soren | You're just expected to handle that. Design for failure and all that. | 20:40 |
| dragondm | it may be EC2's behavior, but it sounds broken, IMHO | 20:40 |
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| soren | I don't believe there's a right or wrong here. | 20:40 |
| justinsb | dragondm: It's not really broken. If uptime is important, you're going to want a new instance asap | 20:40 |
| Ryan_Lane | if uptime is important, you'd have load balancing and failover | 20:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | you wouldn't rely on creating a new instance | 20:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | I think EC2's model is a horrible, horrible thing | 20:41 |
| soren | There's certainly value to persistent instances. Root-on-EBS on EC2 is a testament to this fact. | 20:41 |
| justinsb | But for a DB, you'd have a hot standby, and promote it if your master goes down | 20:41 |
| soren | However, for some applications, the lack of persistence doesn't matter at all. | 20:41 |
| justinsb | Then your old master is no good to you any more | 20:41 |
| Ryan_Lane | I think there is little no to value to having totally transient instances | 20:42 |
| justinsb | Even with a pool of webservers, if a server crashed once, I'd rather have a new one than gamble on that hardware again | 20:42 |
| kpepple | justinsb: +1 | 20:42 |
| soren | Ryan_Lane: I strongly disagree. | 20:42 |
| soren | Ryan_Lane: a) It's how EC2 works. It's silly to support their API, but with different semantics. | 20:43 |
| dragondm | IMHO the transience of ec2 intances is a misfeature of their implementation. You can use persistant instances non persistantly. The reverse is not true. | 20:43 |
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| soren | Ryan_Lane: b) I belive it in an of itself has value. justinsb's examples are good. | 20:43 |
| justinsb | I think we're going to have to support 'instance persistence' though | 20:43 |
| soren | dragondm: True indeed. | 20:43 |
| soren | justinsb: Oh, for sure! | 20:43 |
| justinsb | It's fairly easy to then add 'no instance persistence' | 20:43 |
| justinsb | soren suggested adding a flag on the Instance; I think he's absolutely right | 20:44 |
| justinsb | The EC2 API would probably just default to no instance persistence | 20:44 |
| soren | I think the openstack API could expose this flag and let the user change it, but if the instance is created from the EC2 api, it should default to non-persistent. | 20:44 |
| soren | justinsb: snap | 20:45 |
| justinsb | OpenStack API would default to instance persistence | 20:45 |
| soren | :) | 20:45 |
| soren | Exactly. | 20:45 |
| justinsb | And we can argue how to expose the flag at the design summit :-) | 20:45 |
| Ryan_Lane | I don't think it's an error supporting transient instances. I just think the use cases for them are pretty much non-existent. (there are much more reliable ways to handle justinsb's examples) | 20:45 |
| justinsb | soren: Looks like you and I are in complete agreement here :-) | 20:45 |
| justinsb | Ryan_Lane: I think some people will expect transient instances, and it won't really cost us anything to give it to them. | 20:46 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah. I agree with that. | 20:46 |
| justinsb | Ryan_Lane: We could have a flag on the EC2 API that defaults to non-transient for users that are of your mindset | 20:46 |
| soren | justinsb: With the libvirt backend, this is what they have already :) | 20:46 |
| Ryan_Lane | as long as we don't run into some situation where we decide the EC2 API simply won't get support for it | 20:46 |
| zul | soren: i have to run but I responded to your question in the merge request | 20:47 |
| Ryan_Lane | justinsb: that works for me :) | 20:47 |
| soren | zul: I see. | 20:47 |
| justinsb | soren: I think there's a lot of behaviour that's the way things are but isn't really guaranteed, so could be randomly changed by a different backend or even a merge | 20:47 |
| justinsb | I guess I'll look at doing the persistence flag next | 20:48 |
| Ryan_Lane | how will persistence be handled with a failed hardware node? | 20:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | will the instances be restarted on a new node? | 20:50 |
| thielmann_ | I'm unable to SSH into my instance from outside using a floating IP. Any idea on what I'm doing wrong? (Using bexar on Ubuntu 10.04). Here's my iptables information: http://pastebin.com/BEmEgxSd | 20:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | (are there blueprints around for this stuff already?) | 20:50 |
| Ryan_Lane | thielmann_: do you have ip forwarding enabled? | 20:51 |
| thielmann_ | Ryan_Lane: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward => 1. Do I need to enable more? (Thanks for helping!) | 20:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | that's what you need :) | 20:52 |
| justinsb | Ryan_Lane: I don't know... I think that in practice relies on a remote root disk, right? | 20:52 |
| thielmann_ | Ryan_Lane: What a pity, I was hoping I could solve my problem easily :-) | 20:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | justinsb: yep. shared storage of some kind | 20:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | could store the instances on whatever is configured for nova-volume, possibly | 20:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | or could require the instances directory to be some form of shared storage, like NFS | 20:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | or some other mountable shared filesystem | 20:54 |
| justinsb | Ryan_Lane: Definitely. But I don't think I can enable it today! | 20:54 |
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| Ryan_Lane | yeah :) | 20:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | just wondering what future plans are | 20:54 |
| justinsb | Ryan_Lane: Definitely one to discuss at the design summit... I think there are lots of thorny issues | 20:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | how is this handled with live migration? the instance's disk is tranferred from host to host? | 20:55 |
| * Ryan_Lane goes to find that blueprint | 20:56 | |
| justinsb | Ryan_Lane: Great point... a hardware crash could be treated like a non-live migration | 20:56 |
| justinsb | Ryan_Lane: So maybe it can make it in there "today" | 20:56 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah. this is how VMware handles it | 20:56 |
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| soren | \o/ | 21:05 |
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| jaypipes | mtaylor: I think you may have linked the wrong bug to your branch? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/731010 | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 731010 in nova "nova.sh project zipfile fails on first run" [Low,Fix committed] | 21:14 |
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| annegentle | could I get another nova-core to review this merge prop to get a little talk bubble to point readers to archived docs sites (like the 2011.1 site)? http://wiki.openstack.org/LiveMigration?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=20110203cactus-migration-live.pdf | 21:27 |
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| nelson | If I wanted the proxy server to NOT log, I see no option to do that. | 21:29 |
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| nelson | Instead, it looks like I have to make my own Application which is derived from swift.proxy.server.BaseApplication which doesn't log. | 21:30 |
| nelson | Correct? | 21:30 |
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| nelson | although maybe I just want to set the syslog log level and leave it at that? | 21:32 |
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| Ryan_Lane | wow. the restrictions on the use of the openstack logo are harsh | 21:34 |
| Ryan_Lane | harsh enough that I can't use it in any presentation I ever do | 21:35 |
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| creiht | nelson: hrm | 21:47 |
| creiht | too bad there isn't a /dev/null syslog facility :) | 21:48 |
| nelson | it may not be such a big deal; we're running rsyslogd, which is much faster than syslog. | 21:48 |
| creiht | yeah we use syslog-ng | 21:48 |
| * creiht leaves those decisions up to the ops guys :) | 21:49 | |
| nelson | Ryan_Lane: from whence do the restrictions arise? The only way they can bind you to more restrictions than trademark law lets them is via a contract. | 21:49 |
| nelson | and for the layman, the general rule vis-a-vis trademarks is: always tell the truth. | 21:51 |
| Ryan_Lane | nelson: well, I'm used to wikimedia's logo restrictions, which are very lax | 21:51 |
| nelson | If you are running unmodified OpenStack Nova, then you can say "We're running OpenStack", and you can use the logo in conjunction with saying that. | 21:52 |
| Ryan_Lane | no modifications are allowed to the logo, and I was going to do a combination of the wikimedia and openstack logos for a presentation | 21:52 |
| nelson | Oh, yeah, that doesn't work, sorry. | 21:52 |
| creiht | Ryan_Lane: Though seems like you could get written permission for that | 21:53 |
| nelson | You could do it with permission, so you should try asking. | 21:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | and my presentations are all creative commons, which also means I can't use the logo at all, without more issues | 21:53 |
| Ryan_Lane | creiht: likely. though they probably won't let me license it creative commons :) | 21:53 |
| creiht | hehe | 21:53 |
| nelson | trademarks and creative commons do not play well together. | 21:53 |
| nelson | particularly when people try to use copyright on a logo as a fill-in for trademark registration. | 21:54 |
| Ryan_Lane | yeah. I don't find the restrictions out of the ordinary. I'm just used to wmf's way of things now (which is out of the ordinary :D) | 21:55 |
| Ryan_Lane | my perspective is now forever out of whack with reality. heh | 21:55 |
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| sirp_ | jaypipes: any thoughts on getting glance migration 003 in to trunk? | 21:57 |
| jaypipes | sirp_: that's my priority 1 task... | 21:59 |
| sirp_ | jaypipes: gotcha, if i can, ill research sqlalchemy-migrate a bit more, but if there isn't a solution, i say we just use hack around it for now (as of right now trunk is effectively broken w/o that migration) | 22:01 |
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| creiht | annegentle: do you have any comments to Ryan_Lane's questions, or at least know he could talk to about the branding stuff? | 22:03 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #735151 in nova "Rebooting instance doesn't update the updated_at column of instances DB table" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735151 | 22:06 |
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| mtaylor | jaypipes: probably | 22:16 |
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