Monday, 2011-11-28

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uvirtbotNew bug: #897031 in openstack-manuals "Building in top-level doc directory fails" [Undecided,New]
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janpyI want to modify user's info with common user logined in,but I get a message "You are not authorized to make this call (HTTP 401)".Why?03:10
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897042 in openstack-manuals "openstack-compute-admin fails to build" [Undecided,New]
viddjanpy, you using keystone?03:19
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viddare you making keystone-based changes?03:22
janpyi got the exception from "/opt/stack/openstackx/openstackx/api/ in _cs_request, line 93"03:22
viddoh...your using devstack03:23
janpyif i use admin03:23
janpythen it's ok03:23
viddyou need "Admin" roles to make those changes then03:24
janpybut i just want to get user's info03:24
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livemoonmiss you03:39
viddhey livemoon03:39
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897054 in nova "stack crashes with AttributeError on e.reason if the server returns an error" [Undecided,In progress]
uvirtbotNew bug: #897058 in quantum "Horizon depends on Quantum client library but the pip version is out of date" [High,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #897059 in quantum " develop doesn't work" [Undecided,New]
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riteshhi when i try to enable ssh and ping through euca-authorize command it gives error05:02
riteshTraceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/bin/euca-authorize", line 198, in <module>     main()   File "/usr/bin/euca-authorize", line 141, in main     euca_conn = euca.make_connection()   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/euca2ools/", line 637, in make_connection     self.port = int(l[1]) ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: ''05:02
riteshdid anyone faced this same issue05:03
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897066 in horizon "focus on login fields" [Wishlist,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897068 in horizon "descriptive titles" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897072 in horizon "don't load vnc console if not in tab" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897075 in nova "volume int is id not uuid" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897078 in horizon "image details page" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897080 in horizon "ability to migrate a server" [Undecided,New]
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mack123i am having a query06:32
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mack123not able to run "sudo nova-manage db sync" command06:33
mack123it showing command failed06:34
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mack123hi pradeep206:35
mack123sudo nova-manage db sync command not found06:37
mack123sorry command failed06:37
mack123plss help someone06:37
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lzyevaldid you add ppa:nova-core/trunk06:38
lzyevalto your apt-get repository?06:39
lzyevaland update and install nova?06:39
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mack123plss tell me commands for that06:40
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mack123how to add it to repository....?06:42
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897086 in nova "SNAPSHOT fails with http 500 error" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897089 in nova ""Error fetching floating ips: The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation." when none allocated to tenant" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897090 in horizon "access info (ips / security groups) should be on instance detail page" [Undecided,New]
lzyevalmack123: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nova-core/trunk07:15
lzyevalmack123: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nova-core/trunk07:16
lzyeval mack123: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:glance-core/trunk07:16
lzyevalmack123: sudo pip install --upgrade pycrypto07:16
lzyevalmack123: these are the three t07:16
lzyevalcommands you should run07:16
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897081 in horizon "documentation on customizing" [Undecided,New]
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troya_hi All07:18
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897091 in nova ""nova actions" fails with HTTP 400 / TypeError if a server action has been performed" [Undecided,In progress]
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JesperAwow uvirtbot is pretty active tonight07:29
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troya_hi JesperA07:34
uvirtbotNew bug: #897094 in horizon "differences in overview vs instances" [Undecided,New]
mack123thanks lzyeval.....07:37
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897095 in nova "Can't bridge between instance or host " [Undecided,New]
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shaonhello zefry :)08:20
zefrycan u help me??08:21
oleg__it depends08:21
zefryI have problem on installation openstack diablo08:21
shaonzefry: everyone is willing to help you08:21
zefrynova-manage db sync08:21
zefry  MigrateDeprecationWarning08:21
zefrynova-manage db sync08:22
zefry"/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/migrate/changeset/":124: MigrateDeprecationWarning: Passing a Column object to alter_column is deprecated. Just pass in keyword parameters instead.08:22
zefry  MigrateDeprecationWarning08:22
zefrydo u have solution??08:22
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zefryshaon: how about this problem??08:25
lzyevalzefry: try sudo pip install --upgrade migrate08:27
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zefrylzyeval: sudo: pip: command not found08:32
zefryhow?? :(08:32
lzyevalthen sudo apt-get install python-pip08:32
zefryI install openstack on ubuntu 11.1008:32
zefryokey I try08:32
zefrylzyeval: apt-get install pyhton-pip08:33
zefryReading package lists... Done08:33
zefryBuilding dependency tree08:33
zefryReading state information... Done08:33
zefryE: Unable to locate package pyhton-pip08:33
lzyevalpython-pip not pyhton-pip08:33
lzyevalmy bad08:34
zefryups.. sorry08:34
lzyevaloh no u bad :)08:34
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Raziquehi guys :)08:35
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zefrylzyeval: how about this?? EC2_ACCESS_KEY environment variable must be set.08:52
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shaonzefry: have you downloaded the credentials?08:54
lzyevalzefry: yeah you need to zip the credentials and run the novarc to use the euca tools08:55
zefryyes,, i already download it08:56
zefrythe ccredintial download,, with command nova-manage project zipfile proj novaadmin /home/localadmin/creds/ ??08:57
zefrylzyeval: that correct??08:58
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livemoonhi, Razique09:00
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Raziquehey livemoon :)09:00
livemoonwhat are you doing these days?09:00
Raziquehow are you ?09:00
Raziquepreparing a new client project09:01
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Raziquetakes me full time09:01
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Raziqueand recompiling my kernel for ipsec support haha09:01
livemoonI have bought a vps and busy with deploying my blog and openvpn on that these days.09:01
Raziqueoh this is great :)09:02
Raziquewhat are the specs ?09:02
livemoonvery low09:02
livemoon256MB RAM 100GB Bandwidth09:04
livemoon5G disk09:04
livemoon$10/month , I think it is a little expensive09:04
livemoonRazique: Do you use ipsec as VPN?09:05
lzyevalzefry: yeah and then unzip the file and run ". novarc"09:05
lzyevalthen you can run the euca commands09:05
Raziquelivemoon: yup ipsec for vpn09:05
Raziquewith racoon09:05
Raziqueon the other side, a Arkoon Fast firewall09:06
Raziquelivemoon: the price seems reasonable09:06
Razique$10 for a dedicated server is great09:06
zefrylzyeval: Thank you very much... :)09:07
livemoonRazique: I use openvpn as my vpn09:08
Raziquelivemoon: me too09:08
Raziquebut the firewall here doesn't deal with that09:08
RaziqueI've installed on my opesntack cloud PfSense09:08
Raziqueopenvpn is awesome :)09:08
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lzyevalzefry: np09:09
livemoonI use pf too on my BSD system09:09
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zefrylzyeval: I get problem again... :(09:11
Raziquelivemoon: openvpn it's definitely better and simpler to install09:12
zefrysudo fdisk "/dev/sdb"09:12
zefryfdisk: unable to open "/dev/sdb": No such file or directory09:12
Raziqueit took me days to figure out that ping that return "operation denied" meant "recompile kernel and install crypto api libs"09:12
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lzyevalzefry: sys admin job is out of my abiility :)09:16
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troya_hi all09:21
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Raziquetroya_: :)09:28
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silenti620anybody configured live migration for diablo?09:35
troya_Razique, i haven't got solution about my problem sometimes ago09:35
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troya_i have try and try some references, result still nihil09:36
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colimorning all :-)09:42
foexlemorning Razique and livemoon  :)09:45
Raziquefoexle: :)09:45
foexlemorning coli09:45
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livemoonhi foexle10:08
livemoonI am going back home10:09
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897140 in nova "unassociated floating IPs not visible to admin" [Undecided,New]
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ogelbukhdoes anyone have a performance numbers for the swift proxy server?10:17
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ogelbukhsay, number of requests per second10:18
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reidracit depends on the hardware :)10:24
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ogelbukhobviously :)10:24
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reidracI have some old figures for Bexar release10:25
reidracconcurrence 200, 1MB obj size: 28.8 PUT/s, 83.2 GET/s, 92.6 DELETE/s10:27
reidracthat was with dedicated gigabit connection for the cluster, 1 proxy server and 2 strage zones implementing 6 zones10:27
ogelbukhreidrac: I'm going to make a test installation, just wanted to have some grounds10:27
ogelbukhreidrac: thanks a lot!10:27
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reidracthe storage servers used around 6GB of ram during the test10:28
reidracthe proxy server was under 400MB (impressive!)10:28
reidracbut I've found that these figures are highly dependent of the hardware, so...10:29
ogelbukhI believe that proxy should be cpu and network i/o intensive in the first place10:29
reidracyep, it is10:29
reidracI didn't use SSL on the proxy though10:29
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ogelbukhwhat kind of cpu did you have?10:30
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reidraclemme check10:35
ogelbukhthanks )10:35
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897155 in nova "rpc calls are broken when remote procedure returns None" [Undecided,In progress]
reidrac1x quad core xeon10:36
zefryhello all10:36
zefryI have one question10:37
reidracthat was an early test, I really didn't know what to expect :)10:37
zefryhow to remove this command "sudo swift-ring-builder container.builder add z1- 1"10:37
reidracI couldn't get to the cluster limits, my bottleneck was the 1 gigabit connection10:39
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ogelbukhreidrac: thank you very much again10:59
ogelbukhhope i'll be able to share some more numbers soon )11:00
reidracgreat :)11:00
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897164 in nova "neither EC2 api nor openstack API expose the hostname" [Undecided,New]
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zykes-what does people say about administration of swift?12:27
zykes-notmyname:  ? :)12:30
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siwosanyone is using vnc proxy feature with nova?12:45
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colisiwos: i'm and it's working fine :-)12:50
colisiwos: jakos moglbym pomoc ? ;-)12:50
siwosooo ;-)12:50
siwosw sumie ;-)12:51
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Kiallsiwos: if you're having vncproxy issues, It's probably that you are using chrome ;)12:57
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zykes-what servers from dell are people using for Swift?14:03
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Glaceezykes: I am using Custom commodity hardware with Supermicro Motherboard on my side14:07
zykes-Glacee: i know, but the company i work for wants to buy off of a bigger vendor like HP / Dell14:07
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Glaceezykes: ok.. I know for compute they have the C series.. dont know if they having anything more suitable for swift14:09
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annegentlezykes-: the reference architecture the Cloud Builders put together shows Dell C6105
zykes-annegentle: for storage14:25
annegentlezykes-: oh yes sorry14:25
zykes-but can't find storage14:25
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annegentlezykes-: sorry explain more what you're missing? I can help dig more.14:26
zykes-i needs pricing for c210014:27
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zykes-annegentle: do you know the prices for a c2100?14:33
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annegentlezykes-: Just asked around here, and Dell reps are regionally assigned, so you have to find that person, and also he didn't know any more pricing than what you can get on with the "starts at" numbers, sorry :)14:36
notmynamezykes-: just got in. what's up?14:36
zykes-notmyname: question, dell c2100 that's what rs uses ?14:37
notmynameogelbukh: 1000req/sec with one dedicated proxy and 3 dedicated storage nodes is reasonable14:37
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notmynamezykes-: I don't think so. did you see that mentioned somewhere?14:38
zykes-ref architecture notmyname14:39
zykes-notmyname: is it possible to get to know what rs uses ?14:39
notmynamezykes-: ah. that site was set up with no input from people that run the rax production systems. I have no idea where that info came from. you probably looked at it before I did14:40
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zykes-notmyname: possible to get to know or ?14:40
zykes-would like to know which servers to use14:40
notmynamezykes-: I'll ask around14:40
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notmynamezykes-: pretty much anything will work. I understand why you are looking for a vetted hardware list, but pretty much anything you can get your hands on will work (of course, some will be better than others)14:42
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annegentlezykes-: I guess it is intended for Equinex locations (spelling?)14:44
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ogelbukhnotmyname: thank you14:58
Raziquehey annegentle :)14:59
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shaonhello Razique15:15
Raziquehey =-15:15
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annegentlehey Razique15:21
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Raziquehow are you Anne ?15:22
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annegentlegood! refreshed after the holiday weekend15:24
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Raziquegreat :)15:25
mjforkDoes anyone know how to make a user the admin of a tenant in Dashboard + Keystone?15:25
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zykes-anyone here that's done swift deployments ?15:27
notmynamezykes-: besides me? ;-)15:27
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livemoondoes anyone know that keystone support ldap?15:33
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annegentlelivemoon: Mirantis posted a blog entry back in August about their testing of it:
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sidarta /j #capistrano15:43
cloudgeekhi all15:45
cloudgeekzykes: i tried but failed15:45
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zykes-notmyname: correct ;p15:47
zykes-notmyname: what hw would you go for ?15:47
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notmynamezykes-: all I can recommend is object servers optimized for $/GB, container/account servers optimized for IOPS, and proxy servers optimized for CPU16:00
RaziqueJust received that feed
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mjforkzykes-: famiilar with ?16:01
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notmynamemjfork: that's what started this conversation, I think :-)16:06
mjforkok, makes sense. thats a great resource.16:07
mjforki see there are hw specs for storage nodes, but not proxy nodes16:08
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zykes-mjfork: yeah16:09
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zykes-notmyname: what about R515 ?16:12
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JesperAmjfork where are you looking at hardware specs?16:16
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zykes-JesperA: what you using as hw spec for storage nodes ?16:18
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zykes-mjfork: yeah, but not able to get prices for c210016:20
JesperAok mjfork but there actually is hw specs for proxy servers on that page16:20
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JesperAzykes- the price for c2100 starts around 5500 usd16:21
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mjforkdoh, sorry. not sure how i missed that.16:22
mjforkah, i was under private not public.16:22
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zykes-JesperA: k16:23
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zykes-JesperA: what about R510 or R515 instead ?16:23
notmyname12 drives for $5500 is on the..uh...expensive side16:23
JesperAzykes- yeah, that is what i am aiming for16:23
zykes-notmyname: isn't that cheap ?16:23
zykes-with the floods in thailand...16:24
notmynameah, does that include drives?16:24
JesperAits without the drives too16:24
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zykes-5500 where ?16:24
JesperAactually, that was with the drives so not THAT bad,
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zykes-what system disk does it use ? :/16:26
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JesperAWell, you can put 2 2.5" drives internaly as system drives16:29
JesperAIts possible in R515 too but not in the R510 for some reason16:29
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zykes-understanding dells raid configurator is not easy :/16:29
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Glaceenotmyname: are you allowed to say if you guys use consume type drive or enterprise grade drives?16:32
notmynameGlacee: I'd recommend consumer drives16:33
Glaceenotmyname: cool :) thats what we bought.. with rubber bands :016:33
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JesperAEven "green" versions like WD Green?16:34
zykes-why rubber bands ?16:34
Glaceeeven those are super expensive right now due to flooding though16:34
Glaceezykes: vibration...16:34
Glaceeenterprise grade drives usually have anti-vibrations mechanisms that you dont have in consumer drives16:35
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GlaceeJespers: I think you wont gain any power benifits using the coolspins drives since swift keep the drive running at all time, due to files replications,auditors, replicators16:36
notmynameGlacee: generally, manufacturers are very optimistic about failure rates, and the price difference doesn't justify the added features with enterprise drives16:37
notmynameJesperA: green drives won't buy you anything with swift (you'll actually just be fighting the firmware all the time)16:37
Glaceenotmyname: agreed.. I checked some failures rates per drive tpe on the web everywhere to check which one I should buy :)16:38
GlaceeI will be testing 5.4k and 7.2 drives16:38
notmyname5% failure is not unusual (no manufacturer will ever have a number that high)16:39
coli_glacee: remember that high density 5.4k is faster then 7.2k with lower density16:39
coli_notmyname: in your opinnion instant instances should have "disk" on local drive or on iscsi or other ?16:41
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notmynamecoli_: your storage volumes in swift should be local storage. they /could/ be something else, but that's up to you to see if it's best16:44
Kiallvidd: you might be interested in these...
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Glaceecoli_: what do you mean by high and low density? sorry for my ignorance16:45
notmynamecoli_: best for your particular use case16:45
viddKiall, wht kind of updates have you made?16:46
Kiallnothing - they get updated every night @ midnight if there have been any changes to stable/diablo16:46
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zykes-damned Dell, the drive configuration page is making me crazy :(16:47
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viddKiall, so whatever changes (udates, bug fixes, etc) that have been done to the stable gits, you udate to your stuff?16:48
cloudgeeknotmyname:zykes: is hard drive , which size for $5500 , i also need some16:48
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Kiallvidd: yea.. it rebuilds the packages with the latest code each night16:49
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notmynamecloudgeek: I'm not sure I understand the question16:49
viddKiall, cool16:50
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cloudgeeknotmyname:okay , i need if someone from thailand or know Thailand i wanna to buy some hardisk16:51
Kiallvidd: obviously that means the packages are 100% untested etc, but I'll be testing them every so often and just copying them to the "stable" PPA if they all work together...16:52
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zykes-like what the "You must select UEFI BIOS option or No Partition, GPT Enabled when using 2TB Hard Drives.16:52
zykes-whats that :|16:52
cloudgeekhey can anybody help , i need print output of some graphics programmes ,after execution , or suggest irc for this type question , programmes written in C16:54
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coli_glacee: density of the media, 5.4k drive with capacity of 3TB can be faster then 7.2k drive with capacity of 0.5TB16:56
Glaceecoli_: thanks.. well they both have same capacity16:57
coli_notmyname: I wasn't clear, question was about nova not swift :-)16:57
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coli_glacee: if you have money then go for Kingston Hyperx or OCZ Vortex3 SSD drives, they are blazing fast :-)16:58
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JesperAyeah and OCZ have one of the highest failure rates too :P16:58
Glaceecoli_: lol.. wouldnt make sense for object sotrage for our use case :)16:59
coli_JesperA: I have to agree withyou :-) the price for kingston is 10% more16:59
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coli_Glacee: that was just humorous comment ;-)16:59
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Glaceecoli_: ok :)16:59
coli_glacee: when it comes to density of media we found this during tests that SATA high density 7.2k drives were much faster then standard 15k SAS drives. suprising but true.17:01
Glaceewow.. hehe very interesing17:01
zykes-Glacee: how do you use rubber bands with dell boxes or ?17:02
zykes-or hotswap at all17:02
Glaceenot with trays no.. vertical design of drives17:02
Glaceewell test that.. plus regular anti-vibrations trays on other testing17:02
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zykes-bah, damned that one with dell needs to order internal ssds for sys17:16
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zykes-Does anyone here have Dell R51517:27
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JesperAzykes- no R15, but a couple of R510, basically the same17:43
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coli_I would love to work for rackspace for a month and then for Amazon for another ;-)17:51
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epsascoli - amazon is not the greatest place to work from what i have heard and seen17:52
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coli_I will grind my teeth and cope with the culture for a month ;-)17:54
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GlaceeIv seen article saying that  even senior engineers have 24/7 pagers at amazon18:02
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JesperAWhat is 24/7 papers?18:10
Aimpagers :)18:11
JesperAaaa pagers, haha18:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897326 in nova "nova-manage returns quota information for non-existent projects" [Undecided,New]
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hazmati've noticed a delay in associating a public address to an instance, is there a way to verify the public address is pointed to the right instance, i assume its an async activity, and the api just reports the recorded metadata state, can the internal async queue item for this be observed?18:23
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atsuserI noticed that swauth-add-user command in Swift has to be run by root user if that user needs to access the storage from a public IP address.  If I run the same command as swift user on my proxy machine then all swift commands works from the proxy nodes only.  I get [111] connection refused error.  But if it was run by root user, I don't get it.  Is that the way it should be?  I just wanted to confirm it.18:25
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praefectpinging --18:38
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andrewbogottOK, just when I thought I understood what was happening...  what does it mean when Horizon shows me as having two users and a project, but the command-line "nova-manage user list" shows no users?19:10
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Kiallandrewbogott: dashboard uses keystone, nova can use "internal" or keystone..19:20
Kiallso, sicne you are using keystone, the "nova-manage user" and "nova-manage projects" commands will do nothing19:20
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andrewbogottKiall:  Ok, that makes sense.  So if I want to do commandline stuff I need to use keystone commands?  Or configure nova-manage to use keystone?19:21
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KiallYea for users+project(aka tenants) you need to the keystone commands, nova-manage is still good for everything else19:22
andrewbogottgood to know, thank you!19:22
andrewbogottNow I just have to figure out why keystone tools won't run :/19:23
coli_kiall: did you play with zones yet ?19:24
Kiallcoli_: nope..19:24
coli_I have installed essex dashboard looks neat and has better code layout than one in diablo.19:26
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KiallYea, I'm using the essex dashboard aswell .. Volume support ;)19:28
KiallYou we're using my packages right? I have the essex dash here:19:28
viddKiall, can you get the essex horizon into your "standard" ppa? =]19:28
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KiallThe "standard" PPA is diablo .. not essex ;)19:29
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897354 in keystone "Endpoint documentation little typo" [Low,Invalid]
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viddKiall, yes...but still =]19:33
Kiallvidd: not a chance19:33
viddit would be nice to get19:33
Kialluse the test PPA if you want test quality stuff ;)19:33
vidddoes the essex version work well with "diablo everything else"19:34
KiallThere are a few random errors19:34
Kiallnot sure if they are diablo+essex issues, or if its just not stable since .. ya know .. its a development branch!19:35
viddhave you checked out what quantum is supposed to do?19:36
KiallNope - never looked at it.19:36
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_rfzKiall, I've managed to deploy 30 VM's without any errors19:40
_rfzI had to change --rpc_backend=  to  nova.rpc.impl_carrot19:41
_rfzotherwise I'd get a constant barrage of errors19:41
Kiall_rfz: Weird, I haven't noticed anything like that19:46
Kialland - it should work!19:46
Kiallwhat errors were you getting?19:46
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coli_vidd: just start an instance with lucid, install essex dashboard from git, assign floating ip and you are off :-)19:48
coli__rfz: what networking mode are you working with ?19:49
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_rfzcoli_, flatdhcp19:49
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coli_did you try with vlan ? I have noticed some issues when deploying 10 vm's at a ttime with flatdhcp19:50
_rfzcoli, i deployed 30vm's without a problem19:50
_rfzKiall, RACE: AMQPChannelException: (404, u"NOT_FOUND - no exchange '5b9a19d1b5e849d7ba749fada648a375' in vhost '/'", (60, 40), 'Channel.basic_publish')19:50
coli_however with vlan I'm able to deploy number of vm;s without a hitch.19:50
_rfzColi, I'm going to move to VLAN hopefully tonight19:51
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_rfzKiall, I followed this bug:
_rfzdeployed 30vm's to active state in about 3 mins19:51
coli__rfz: I'm moving from vlan to flatdhcp :-) or trying to19:52
_rfzcoli, howcome?19:52
KiallI have actually seen that error before.. but only once or twice when I was setting stuff up..19:52
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zykes-pretty funny19:55
zykes-a working config from dell with R51519:55
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zykes-comes out at about 11k $ for 24 tb on swift19:55
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coli__rfz: design limiation of vlan mode, you can create only up to 4080 tenants at present.19:56
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coli__rfz: each tenant has to have own vlan, also remember that each compute node is creating a bridge for that vlan which needs an ip address. once you have N nodes then from your pool of fixed ip's you need to assign 4 for special purposes and N for each compute node and you got reset left in the network, so you have to have large networks.19:57
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coli__rfz: pro  is that you have separate vlan for each tenant with L2 separation.19:58
WormManluckily, with proper configuration, every compute node can use the same address19:59
coli_good to hear that :-)20:00
WormManof course, it's not officially supported and requires a bit of surgery20:01
uvirtbotNew bug: #897375 in devstack "Django 1.3 not downloading" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #897376 in keystone "Logging not being configured from config file" [Undecided,New]
coli_wormman: I was quick thinking what goes into the host field in fixed_ips table then ?20:01
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WormMannull, and the code is changed to not allocate an IP on each host20:03
coli_ufff... I was worried that I was missing something :-)20:04
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coli_in my opinion vlan mode is very nice for private cloude but unusable in current state for a public large scale deployment.20:04
coli_I wonder how rackspace solved this.20:05
kbringardthey use huddles, iirc20:05
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kbringardbasically create different zones20:05
kbringardeach of which can use the same VLANs20:06
WormManwell, you don't have to use VLAN mode either :)20:06
kbringardalthough, I'd wager they have something else up their sleeve to do with Quantum20:06
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phschwartzDoes swift currently have any issues with Keystone in Diablo?20:10
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coli_kbringard: did you explore and played with zones ?20:12
kbringardcoli_: not in any real way20:14
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_rfzcan you attach a created volume to a VM via the essex dashboard?20:22
Kiall_rfz: yea20:22
coli__rfz: yes, and it works. easy to install from git.20:23
Kialleasier to install from packages ;)
coli_kiall as always :-)20:23
phschwartzKiall: have you setup swift before? and do you have any scripts similar to your nova ones for it?20:24
Kiallphschwartz: I've not used swift, so nope! No scripts ;)20:24
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zykes-notmyname: here ?20:25
notmynamezykes-: ack20:26
notmynameI'm always here ;-)20:26
phschwartzAnyone know of a good document showing setting up swift + keystone?20:27
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annegentlephschwartz: sorry, I don't know of one.20:27
zykes-heh, notmyname do you know of any "guis" or so that can be used for browsing files or so ?20:28
zykes-to build ontop of to make a archiving solution20:28
notmynamezykes-: cyberduck20:28
notmynamenot sure how good of a platform it would make, though20:28
jasonahmm. if i buy 3 'jbod' servers - is that enough for me to test swift storage in 3 zones ?20:30
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viddjasona, you need at least 4 servers to run swift i believe20:31
notmynamejasona: sure. (3 HDDs would be "enough") zones in swift are up to you based on your deployment details and requirements20:31
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notmynamevidd: 3 is the minimum, 4 is recommended, 5+ is ideal20:31
notmynameerr.. 4+ is recommended, 5+ is ideal20:31
jasona5+ identical ones then ?20:35
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jasonaso far i seem to be up to about 4 types of storage, or even 5.. nova-volume (iscsi?), local attached disks ? objectstore swift and separate persistent storage..20:35
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notmynamejasona: it's recommended that you keep zones close to equal sized20:36
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897397 in keystone "bin/keystone-auth does not respect service_port or service_host" [Low,Triaged]
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andrewbogotteuca-describe-images is failing for me with a '410 Unauthorized'.  What roles do I need to run that command?  Or... what else do I need?20:44
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zykes-notmyname: pretty funky20:46
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zykes-dell sucks in pricing contra a supermicro node20:46
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zykes-for a 24 tb node i come out at about 10950 $ for a dell box with a quad core cpu, 8gb mem, 4 gbit nics and 12 disks + a h200 internal controller without ssd's for system20:47
zykes-the supermicro equivelant that has another controller20:47
phschwartzzykes-: That might be so, but I have had bad luck with Super"crappy" systems. Dell's RMA processing is much cleaner and quicker when your working with thousands of servers.20:48
phschwartzAll said though, but new cluster is supermicro. lol20:48
notmynamezykes-: not sure the detail on those controllers, but a battery-back controller would be a good thing (it prevents data-loss in the event of power failure20:48
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zykes-notmyname: but one doesn't run raid anyways ?20:49
notmynamezykes-: right20:49
zykes-phschwartz: but for a equivelant node @ supermicro20:49
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notmynamezykes-: well, you could use RAID10 on the db servers20:49
zykes-db servers ?20:49
notmynamesorry. account/container20:49
zykes-doesn't all nodes run db?20:49
phschwartzzykes-: yes, you save money with the supermicro hardware, but you pay for it in the long run when you do have failures due to their slow RMA system.20:50
WormManit's a little annoying that dell doesn't have a proper 'storage' server, so, yea, the price sucks until you get to 24 or 36 drives(and then it still sucks, but less)20:50
zykes-phschwartz: we wouldn't use supermicro RMA20:50
zykes-but thanks for the hint :)20:50
WormManif I were doing swift at scale though, I'd definitely look for psuedo-whitebox20:50
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zykes-my hint is i can get a sm equivelant20:50
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zykes-with 24 slots, 12 disks meaning expansion capabilities, 8 core amd cpu, 8 gb mem, 4 gbits for 8957$20:51
zykes-and then still have the stuff i need to expand to 24 disks20:51
Kiallzykes-: how would you not use their RMA when something fails? east  the cost?20:51
phschwartzzykes-: ah, I get you. My current swift setup that we are putting together is 100 storage nodes with 120 TB of redundnat storage made up of 15k sas drives in raid 6 configs. I think we have 2300 spindles in the configuration.20:51
WormManthat's some seriously pricey 'cheap' storage20:52
zykes-Kiall: there's a independant company that sells SM here Kiall20:52
KiallAh, makes sense20:52
phschwartzWormMan: price you pay for big data. lol20:52
notmynamephschwartz: interesting. why the raid 6? and what size volumes are you using?20:52
zykes-Kiall: but still, for a similar dell thing you need to buy a disk shelf from dell20:53
zykes-at least to my knowledge20:53
WormManluckily my data needs top out in sub 100TB and 10Gbitrange20:53
WormManso, 5-10 servers20:53
KiallAnd dell's MD1000 put me off ever buying Dell storage again ;)20:53
zykes-Kiall: what's bad with md1000 ?20:53
Kiall10 year old IDE disks are nearly faster20:54
phschwartznotmyname: 30TB volumes, raid 6 due to the striping pattern used by 15k sas drivers with LSI 9285s20:54
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KiallYet, Dell MD1000 filled with 15k SAS drives was slow as hell..20:54
phschwartznotmyname: that and we can loose 2 disks per array and not loose the data which allows for better fault tollerance.20:55
zykes-phschwartz: how many nodes you ruin ?20:55
notmynamephschwartz: I know you didn't ask (and you know your use case better than anyone else), but that doesn't seem like a good setup. way to expensive and you'll take a big performance hit from the raid6 and get no extra useful redundancy20:55
sloopphschwartz, why are you using raid for redundancy rather than redundancy in swift?20:56
phschwartzzykes-: close to 100 nodes.20:56
zykes-phschwartz: ok20:56
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coli_phschwartz: with supermicro you are able to afford two spare ones and still be better priced. spare ones on a shelf cannot beat any rma :-)20:57
phschwartznotmyname: you loose some performance, not much at all (and we have tested alot.) But the key to it is not just redundancy, but fault correction that are required for micro second response systems working on the multiple terabyte level.20:57
phschwartzcoli_: depends on the needs. Having extra hardware on the shelf is not always an option when you can scale out for faults up front and run with the node down while being rma'ed.20:58
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zykes-coli_: yeah the pricing was funny20:58
notmynamephschwartz: our testing with raid6 is that it doesn't give you any performance over a single disk and the raid rebuild times for large volumes was unacceptable20:59
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phschwartznotmyname: you dont get performance increases over a single disk, and the rebuild times are large, but unless you loose more then 2 disks in an array, rebuilds are 100% background with full usage of data in the array with no performance impact on it.21:00
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phschwartzthat is the key to raid 6 over other raids like raid 5 where you take a performance hit for live rebuilds.21:01
notmynamephschwartz: but swift already handles losing up to 2 copies of the data (assuming 3 replicas). so you are adding the complexity (and a big efficiency hit) with not a lot of benefit21:01
KiallAnyone know an easy way to extract the version num from a file from bash or a python 1 liner?21:02
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notmynameKiall: grep? ;-)21:02
KiallI would .. but they dont make it that easy ;)21:03
Kiallfrom swift import __canonical_version__ as version ... version=version21:03
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Kiallhence I was hoping python setuptools had a way ;')21:03
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notmynamephschwartz: again, you know your use case better than anyone. if it works for you that's what matters :-)21:04
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notmynameKiall: $ python -c "import swift; print swift.__version__"21:05
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Kiallnotmyname: thanks, was hoping for a 1 size fits all the OS packages though ;) I'll keep looking, hopefully setuptools offers a way to handle this21:06
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notmynameKiall: indeed. actually, I've been talking to someone about changing the way we handle the versioning in swift (I don't think it should be in the code). one possibility is to have it stored in the vcs with a tag21:07
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Kiallnotmyname: yea, that would work for most cases, a but harder for stable/diablo etc since it cant be "last tag+dev"21:09
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Kialla bit harder*21:09
notmynameKiall: ya, all the use cases need to be taken care of. IMO, the version is metadata for the code. vcs is a perfect place to store that (packaging, too)21:10
zykes-notmyname: do you have some slides or something for swift?21:11
notmynamezykes-: what are you looking for?21:11
zykes-i am trying to convince my boss / colleagues to go for swift + storage gw instead of a NAS21:11
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Kiallzykes-: when you say "storage gw" you mean some kind of swift -> "mountable FS" adaptor?21:12
zykes-Kiall: yeah, like riverbed whitewater / nasuni / twinstrata21:12
KiallIf so, I can't imagine that being very fast...21:12
zykes-Kiall: i dunno how fast it is21:13
notmynamezykes-: I'll be at a meetup in the SF bay area next week. I'd be happy to meet them and answer questions21:13
zykes-but it caches up to 2 TB21:13
notmyname(not sure where you are)21:13
zykes-notmyname: hehe, if don't want to fly for 10+ hours ;p21:13
zykes-Kiall: apparantly people use it for forexample backup destination for backups older then x days21:14
notmynamezykes-: ah, ok :-)21:14
notmynamezykes-: if you're going to do that, just come to san antonio any time :-)21:14
WormManspeaking of flying, has the spring summit location been decided yet?21:15
zykes-notmyname: got slides _21:16
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annegentleWormMan: I was wondering that myself. I'll ask around.21:16
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notmynamezykes-: I don't have any stuff like that, per se. generally that kind of info needs to be much more detailed than the kind of slides I generally use (and include $ info)21:17
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notmynamezykes-: but, here are the slides for my current swift stump speech:
zykes-notmyname: question, how can one use swift for disaster recovery ?21:20
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notmynamezykes-: see that's why slides aren't good stuff to give to people without the associated talk ;-)21:20
notmynamezykes-: all the stuff on that slide are use cases where swift could be an vital part but swift itself wouldn't be a complete solution21:21
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WormManslides almost never are without associated notes21:21
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Glaceenice slide notmyname21:21
notmynamezykes-: a client (or more) would still be needed21:21
atsuser1Have a question about swauth-add-user21:22
notmynameWormMan: the problem is that 90% of the notes are in my head :-)21:22
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zykes-notmyname: with 4*12tb nodes21:22
zykes-then you only have 12 tb of storage ?21:22
zykes-that's usable21:22
notmynamezykes-: no21:22
Glaceewe are almost ready to do real testing.. with compute layer for snapshots etc.. we have 10gb for storage node :) I wonder if it will be overkill21:22
zykes-notmyname: ok ?21:22
atsuser1Does the command swath-add-user needs to be run by root user on the proxy node?21:23
zykes-notmyname: how does one calculate storage space ?21:24
notmynamezykes-: my "back-of-napkin" formula is <marketing TB> * .91 (to get formatted TB) * .8 (80% full for provisioning safety) / <replica count> == <billable storage>21:24
zykes-replica count is 3 ?21:25
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notmynamezykes-: if that's what you're running :-)  (the default is 3)21:26
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zykes-but then if you have 4 nodes, the result is roughly the same as the server size21:27
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notmynamezykes-: 4 nodes?21:27
notmynamezykes-: as in you have 4 storage nodes? that only affects the <marketing TB> number above21:28
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zykes-notmyname: yeah, but if you do that formula for 24 tb for example pr node21:29
zykes-you end up at about 23.x21:29
notmynameah. ok21:30
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notmynamezykes-: .91 * .8 / 3 is about 25%. that means swift has about a 4:1 ratio of <marketing storage> : <billable storage>21:34
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notmynamezykes-: but that's if you start from a certain number (the marketing number). if you start from the formatted capacity number, you get much closer to 3:121:35
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notmynameespecially if you have a large, growing cluster21:37
zykes-marketing number vs what ?21:37
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JesperAHmm, right now we are using 2 Dell R510 on one of our sites, for storage, equal to around 32TB billable storage (no replicas on files, no critical), so if we where to go with swift, we have have to get a tad over 100TB raw storage just to mach our current setup?21:42
zykes-JesperA: seems so21:42
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JesperAHmm, that is a pretty big investment cap between our current and a swift setup, i wish there was a something that could cover the cap between these 2 options21:44
notmynameJesperA: ya, but it's probably a different use case. swift isn't a file system and it can grow to be very large21:44
JesperAcp = gap21:45
JesperAnotmyname, well, we only store images, should be fine for swift21:45
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zykes-notmyname: we're wanting to ues swift as a replacement for tape21:53
zykes-for a Veeam backup system21:53
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notmynamezykes-: awesome21:54
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zykes-anyone that knows of Zeus LB has been bought by riverbed ?22:07
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notmynamezykes-: ya22:11
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jdgKiall: Trying to run another setup, but I missed something.  When I try apt-get python-software-properties (before running your script)  I get "ERROR:root:No modula named local.local_settings"  Do you know what I forgot?23:00
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897451 in swift "memcached exception when trying to connect to offline node" [Undecided,New]
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jdgNever mind... got it.23:04
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uvirtbotNew bug: #897461 in openstack-manuals "No documentation for inserting metadata when launching an instance" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #823000 in nova "nova-compute doesn't follow principle of least privilege; root SQL password in nova.conf" [Undecided,New]
andrewbogottMy keystone log has a lot of these:  "DEBUG [routes.middleware] No route matched for POST //tokens"  <- does that mean anything to anyone?23:51
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