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| ill_inspiration | hi, I'm quite new to openstack and just trying it out. I was just wondering if there is any way to make storage persistent by default (i.e. using nova-volume or something instead of making local files?) | 08:50 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #902770 in nova "Global name ec2_util is not defined when using cloud-publish-tarball under Essex-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902770 | 12:16 |
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| Madkiss | If I want to try out OpenStack, what's the best distribution to do that? | 12:35 |
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| mirrorbox | Madkiss: Ubuntu I think | 12:39 |
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| Madkiss | I had somehow feared that ;) | 12:41 |
| cloudgeek | Madkiss: write you own ! with kernel !! | 12:45 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #902838 in openstack-ci "Gerrit should support reviewing related patchsets" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902838 | 17:21 |
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| rustam | hi, what is the simplest auth server available? i just need 1 account, swauth and keystone seems to be overkill. | 18:29 |
| rustam | for prod though | 18:29 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #902868 in openstack-ci "move jenkins/gerrit to new machines" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902868 | 18:58 |
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| ill_inspiration | hi, I'm quite new to openstack and just trying it out. I was just wondering if there is any way to make storage persistent by default? (i.e. using nova-volume or something instead of making local files?) | 21:06 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ill_inspiration: well, it lasts through reboots, and only goes away when you terminate an instance | 21:44 |
| Ryan_Lane | or do you mean the secondary storage? | 21:44 |
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| * Kiall thinks every instance of "terminate" should be replaced with "delete" in nova ;) | 21:54 | |
| ill_inspiration | Ryan_Lane: well, even then, I'd rather use my iSCSI box for root volume storage... | 21:54 |
| Kiall | ill_inspiration: for the OS images, you can mount /var/lib/nova/instances and have it stored on iSCSI, | 21:55 |
| ill_inspiration | Kiall: thanks I was just reading the docs and understand that now too :) I keep thinking terminate = shutdown... (VPS background I guess) | 21:55 |
| Kiall | or shared storage ala NFS for live migration etc | 21:55 |
| ill_inspiration | Kiall: yeah but the volume framework already exists so I thought it would be much easier (and better performance) to leverage that? | 21:55 |
| Kiall | Yea - Only nova admin's can "shutdown" and instance (admins can suspend or pause instances) | 21:56 |
| Kiall | ill_inspiration: yea .. I think there was some work towards boot from volume for diablo, but I dont believe it was finished in time... or maybe I was confused over what the blueprint was describing ;) | 21:56 |
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| Kiall | I would imagine that feature will come along soon enough for compatibility with EC2's EBS root instances | 21:57 |
| Kiall | s/imagine/hope/ ;) | 21:57 |
| ill_inspiration | :) | 21:57 |
| ill_inspiration | Can you please give me the link to that blueprint? | 21:57 |
| Kiall | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/boot-from-volume | 21:58 |
| Kiall | "Implementation: Implemented" | 21:58 |
| Kiall | humm.. maybe :) | 21:58 |
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| Kiall | vishy: ping? I see your name on that BP, maybe you know more? | 21:59 |
| ill_inspiration | Cool..! | 22:01 |
| ill_inspiration | Kiall: btw, do you have an example/use case where instance storage would be preferable/desirable over simply a persistent block? Maybe I'm not thinking outside the square or something :D | 22:02 |
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| Kiall | Well, Why have everything passing over the network to iSCSI, when you can choose to put, say, only a mysql data dir on a volume | 22:03 |
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| Kiall | OpenStack is not designed for HA of instances, If a compute node dies, you typically loose the instance (ala EC2) | 22:05 |
| ill_inspiration | True, I guess in an ideal world it probably makes much more sense.. but having a single persistent volume probably simplifies things for "mainstream" users I suppose (i.e. don't need to worry about different volumes and customising services) | 22:05 |
| Kiall | (unless that instance was stored on NFS etc) | 22:05 |
| Kiall | (if it was on NFS, some tricks can be used to boot it on another compute node.. but its not automatic etc) | 22:05 |
| ill_inspiration | I see | 22:06 |
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| ill_inspiration | interesting.. as I said, I've only started playing around with it for the last couple of days | 22:06 |
| Kiall | OS is really primarily designed for scale out style services.. eg if you have 100 web servers, who cares if you loose one? Just boot another! | 22:07 |
| ill_inspiration | so if a compute node dies there is no automatic recovery or similar features at present? | 22:07 |
| Kiall | Thats not to say it cant handle things like DB servers etc, where it would matter.. But there is no auto recovery etc | 22:07 |
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| Kiall | Not at present, I know a at least 1 person here has automated the recovery process.. So its doable, but not built in | 22:08 |
| Kiall | Auto recovery would basically just require A) /var/lib/nova/instances mounted on NFS or similar, B) a watchdog service looking for failed nodes and C) a script the watchdog can call to run some SQL queries against the nova DB, and make some API calls to the nova API | 22:09 |
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| ill_inspiration | got ya | 22:11 |
| ill_inspiration | thanks | 22:11 |
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| Kiall | (I'm sure there would be more complex that I just made out.. But the theory should be about right) | 22:15 |
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| omenar | hi to everyone! I've got a question... What are the main reasons to choose OpenStack instead of Eucalyptus? | 22:26 |
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| notmyname | omenar: openstack is 100% opensource. eucalyptus is open core | 22:29 |
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| omenar | that is a good one... how about the features of both? | 22:30 |
| Kiall | and, in my experience, OS is more reliable... | 22:30 |
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| Kiall | I can't (off the top of my head) think of a feature euca has that OS does not... | 22:30 |
| notmyname | eucalyptus, afaik, reimplements the aws apis. openstack provides some level of aws compatibility, but tries to emphasize an openness in designing new apis that work well for those who are implementing it | 22:31 |
| Kiall | OS has a few extras, like swift (okay they have walrus, but walrus is only intended as an image store..) | 22:31 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #722323 in pastebinit "Add lodgeit style pastebins" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722323 | 22:33 |
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| omenar | i'm reading that the horizontal scalability in OS is trivial... that is true? | 22:34 |
| omenar | why is trivial? | 22:34 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #902953 in openstack-ci "gerrit needs a work in progress state" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902953 | 22:36 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #902956 in openstack-ci "gerrit should also listen on port 22" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902956 | 22:36 |
| notmyname | omenar: I can only speak for swift (my area of expertise). swift is designed with a shared-nothing architecture and a modular design that lets you expand out whatever part of the system has a bottleneck | 22:37 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #902949 in openstack-ci "paste.openstack.org should be properly managed via puppet" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902949 | 22:37 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #902950 in openstack-ci "Add CLA signature enforcement to gerrit" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902950 | 22:37 |
| omenar | [notmyname] and how that is solved with euca? | 22:38 |
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| notmyname | omenar: I only know of euca from a high level, so I can't comment on how it solve those problems. anecdotally, openstack was founded by some people at nasa who weren't able to get euca to scale out enough for them | 22:39 |
| notmyname | but that's more on the nova side | 22:39 |
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| omenar | ok, I understand... ty for your answers... I'm kinda new on this topic =) | 22:40 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #902959 in openstack-ci "Finish jclouds plugin for jenkins" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902959 | 22:41 |
| notmyname | omenar: hope it helps. I'm sure there are others here who can know nova in more depth and can give a better comparison | 22:42 |
| notmyname | omenar: are you more interested in compute or storage (or both) | 22:42 |
| omenar | [notmyname] both, but computing has some higher priority | 22:42 |
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| notmyname | omenar: gotcha. then I humbly redirect to everyone else in here ;-) | 22:43 |
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| omenar | a professor on my university ask me to made my thesis using openstack for some X topic... (the topic is not decided) | 22:44 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #902961 in openstack-ci "Add support to jenkins for single-use slaves" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902961 | 22:46 |
| omenar | [notmyname] ty for your time :) | 22:48 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #902963 in openstack-ci "Jenkins should hand cloud slaves to devs for debugging" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902963 | 22:51 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #902965 in openstack-ci "Jenkins does not support using API/cli with OpenID SSO" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902965 | 23:01 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #902967 in openstack-ci "Jenkins job descriptions should be in git" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902967 | 23:01 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #902977 in nova "OS API: Values for type field for images do not match spec" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902977 | 23:26 |
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