Thursday, 2012-03-01

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vishyyou need to isntall the python mysql bindings00:08
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943687 in openstack-manuals "Openstack Compute Starter Guide - Diablo has Unclear Documentation " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94368700:23
uvirtbot`New bug: #943690 in nova "kill_dhcp fails if dnsmasq is not running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94369000:23
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943703 in openstack-manuals "[PATCH] Docs-install: Clarification regarding supported OS System Requirements" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94370300:40
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943711 in quantum "pip-requires not in tarball generated by setup.py sdist" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94371101:06
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technologovplz help me solve bug #93836501:37
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943722 in keystone "token auth needs unit tests" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94372201:46
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943719 in openstack-manuals "[PATCH] Docs-install: Clarification regarding %tenant_id%" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94371901:56
uvirtbot`New bug: #943720 in openstack-manuals "Docs-swift: Page 1 image is cut in PDF" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94372001:58
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technologovM4 = RC1 ?02:14
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943748 in glance "Glance is missing dep on python-dateutil ( 2012.1~e4~20120224.1290-0ubuntu1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94374803:01
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johnwiltonHiya, any chance of anyone being online to answer a question?03:22
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shraddhahi03:51
shraddhacan someone explain the difference between a user and a tenant03:51
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annegentleshraddha: here are definitions of each http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-identity/admin/content/Identity-Service-Concepts-e1362.html03:54
shraddhaannegentle: thanks03:55
annegentleshraddha: np03:55
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shraddhain multinode configuration, if we want to launch an instance on a particular node, how do we do that?03:59
heckjshraddha: today there isn't a scheduler (the component of nova responsible for placing VMs) that allows you to do that. The schedulers are either "who is least used" or "random"04:05
heckjshraddha: in case you didn't get it from the docs, a "tenant" is a rather overloaded term that just represents "ownership" of resources - VMs, volumes, containers in swift, etc.04:06
shraddhaheckj: ok.. thanks.. so that means, when the IPs available with one node all get exhausted, then 2nd node will come into picture04:06
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heckjshraddha: it's irrespective of IP's available. It will likely randomly place (I think that's the default scheduler)04:06
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shraddhaheckj: Ok.. Thanks.. So theres no particular policy that scheduler follows..04:11
uvirtbot`New bug: #943782 in quantum "ovs + nvp plugin missing some files in sdist tarball" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94378204:11
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shraddhaheckj: I just tried to launch an instance04:15
shraddhait got 2 IPs04:15
shraddhaone from one compute node and other from second compute node04:15
shraddha!04:15
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heckjshraddha: way beyond my late-evening brains to debug for you, I'm sorry. It's likely related to your setup, and there's multiple paths to what you can have set up there. Head for the logs and see if that illuminates anything. In most of nova networking today, there isn't a "set of IPs for a compute node" - they're shared across all compute nodes04:24
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notmynameheckj: actually, I think "tenant" equates to a swift account :-)04:37
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heckjnotmyname: you're quite correct04:37
* technologov has started docs Debianization project...04:40
technologovbest wishes04:40
uvirtbot`New bug: #943792 in openstack-manuals "[PATCH] Docs: Debianizing The Manuals, v01" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94379204:41
annegentletechnologov: lovely. I can't use .patch files submitted in Launchpad, can you go through the git/Gerrit process? http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritWorkflow and http://wiki.openstack.org/Documentation/HowTo.04:43
annegentletechnologov: I did ask if I could :) fwiw04:43
technologovnot today.04:43
annegentletechnologov: the patch looks like a great idea04:43
technologovtoday technologov goes sleep.04:43
technologovsee ya04:43
annegentletechnologov: sleep is good :)04:43
technologovand plz answer why impossible to auto-index04:43
technologovPDF compiler does it04:44
technologovso index numbers will be different for different target PDFs04:44
technologoveven if src code (XML) is shared04:44
annegentletechnologov: we do it for API guides.04:44
annegentletechnologov: not for Admin guides04:44
technologovwhy not ?04:45
annegentletechnologov: because the Admin guides share content04:45
technologovyes, I said about it04:45
technologovthe auto-index is only for target PDFs04:45
technologovmaybe it can be done04:45
annegentletechnologov: so 1.2.4 might not be 1.2.4 everywhere so it's not a consistent identifier, the HTML URL is instead04:45
technologovso installing on Debian in PDF X = 1.1.104:45
annegentletechnologov: it can be done, we chose not to04:45
technologovand installing on Debian in PDF Y = 2.3.404:45
annegentletechnologov: yes that's an example04:46
technologovit will make my life a lot simpler for IRC use04:46
annegentletechnologov: for IRC use please refer to HTML URLs?04:46
technologovreally04:46
technologovmmm.. possible, but having numbers is more natural04:47
technologovI often forget where I last was04:47
annegentletechnologov: because downloading and looking up something in a PDF is more laborious than pulling up an HTML page04:47
technologovhaving numbers makes life easier... I remember which page I stopped on04:47
annegentleannegentle: I have no knowledge of page numbers. PDFs are like cement. Too frozen solid :)04:48
technologovDebian-Stable is Frozen Solid also :) So philosophies match :)04:48
annegentletechnologov: hee hee.04:48
* technologov is working towards delivering quality Debian 7.0 release, with OpenStack.04:49
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technologovannegentle, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Debian04:50
technologovhave fun :)04:50
annegentletechnologov: LOL at the min. system requirements.04:51
annegentletechnologov: pretty sure I have a Game Boy screen laying around.04:51
technologovlook.. auto-indexing will not have bad effects04:53
technologovbecause they are in different books / PDF04:53
technologovit is like confusing Chehov and Pushkin books04:53
technologovboth have indeces, but no one confuses between the two04:54
technologoveven assuming that some parts are shared.. it does not matter.04:54
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shraddhaI have 2 nova-compute nodes in my setup05:03
shraddhaI launched an instance05:04
shraddhabut it got 2 IPs assigned. one from first node's fixed IP range and another from second node's IP05:05
shraddhaand I cant ssh into any IP05:05
shraddhaI am using flat-dhcp on both the nodes05:05
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943802 in openstack-manuals "In Essex, there are fewer "flags" and many config options" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94380205:26
shraddhacan anybody help me with IP assignment in multinode configuration?05:27
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flambozshraddha, did you euca-authorize TCP 22 ?05:57
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shraddhaiflamboz: i have enabled ssh ports using security groups on dashboard05:59
shraddhaflamboz: i have enabled ssh ports using security groups on dashboard05:59
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shraddhaflamboz: my basic doubt is, why does it assign 2 IPs06:01
shraddha?06:01
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flambozone ip private (should be used between instances) and the other one is public06:02
flambozthat you should use to ssh into it06:02
flambozcan you describe your installation ?06:02
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shraddhaboth fixed Ip ranges are private06:03
shraddhaIPs are from 2 different compute nodes06:03
shraddhaI have separate network services for separate compte nodes06:03
flambozdid you follow this http://docs.openstack.org/diablo/openstack-compute/starter/content/ ?06:04
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shraddhain my case06:06
shraddhaI have to use separate networking services06:07
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943810 in quantum "update outdated OVS readme to point to website" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94381006:26
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Ap4ch3This is offer is not production-ready yet, but it is getting much closer.  Much of the work that needs to get done is specific to Rackspace.s service provider scale :: http://www.openstack.org/blog/2012/02/another-step-forward-for-openstack-in-production/08:40
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shaharhhi, I got a few question regarding file-inject08:56
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barotashishCan anyone tell me what is the minimum hardware requirement for deploying openstack?09:18
barotashishWhat kind of min CPU is required? [ 2 core, 4 core...]  How much memory is required ? [ 4GB ]  Which are already supported Hardware for OpenStack? [ Any Dell, HP box ]  Is there any Hardware Compatibility list for OpenStack?09:18
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barotashishany idea on Hardware requirement?09:23
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LarsErikPtrying to build a machine through dashboard.... it gets stuck on "build" which log to look in?09:37
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the1_hello, i successfully configured a basic openstack environment (1 node) what openstack component do I need to setup for me to be able to use something like EBS storage in AWS?09:42
the1_im looking at setting ip EBS for storage that can be mounted to an instance and EBS-based instances09:43
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uksysadminLarsErikP, /var/log/nova-compute.log09:45
uksysadmin(sorry /var/log/nova/nova-compute.log) and others - could be couple of reasons.  Check network too.  And api.09:45
uksysadminthe1_ you want nova-volume09:46
the1_ohhhh thanks a lot, got confused about swift, glance, etc.09:47
uksysadminnp09:49
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uvirtbot`New bug: #943875 in nova "libvirt inject password and rootwrap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94387509:56
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LarsErikPuksysadmin: compute-logs says nothing.. just alot of lines with INFO nova.compute.manager [-] Found 1 in the database and 0 on the hypervisor.10:00
uksysadminsometimes, it can take a while to spin up as it drags the image to your image node and dds to the new image10:00
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LarsErikPhmm10:01
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LarsErikP"a while" 2 hours or like 15 minutes=?10:01
uksysadminif its a particularly large image, depending on hardware (and health or hardware) can take longer than expected10:02
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uksysadminequally, I doubt if its a dashboard issue - have you tried spinning up instances without this and tailing all logs (tail -f /var/log/nova/nova-*.log)10:02
uksysadmin while is minutes10:02
LarsErikPno... i can try.. But i don't have euca2ools up an running..10:03
the1_im using a test OS image from the installation guide, is there something i need to do inside the instance after i attach the EBS volume? coz i dont see the new volume from inside10:04
uksysadmingrep for ERR in the logs10:06
uksysadmincheck that you can run instances - maybe kvm issue10:06
uksysadmin(kvm-ok)10:06
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uksysadminproviding you have followed all the steps and assuming nova-volume has set up correctly (and you can query the volumes available that you've created) then the only thing I recall the instance requires to attach ebs volumes to that people miss is the acpiphp module needing to be loaded10:08
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the1_i just loaded acpiphp inside the instance but still no volumes :(10:10
the1_euca-describe-volumes says its "in-use"10:11
the1_it can't be mounted to the wrong instance, since i only have 1 instance running10:12
uksysadminfdisk -l /dev/vdb   in the instance?10:13
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the1_/dev/vdc in the instance10:13
uksysadminor that - does it show?10:13
uksysadminyou then mkfs it and mount it10:14
the1_no such file or directory10:14
the1_im thinking must be something about software inside the sample image?10:14
the1_like creating /dev/ entries manually10:15
uksysadminwhat is the instance?10:15
the1_its from the installation guide ttylinux-euc image, very basic10:15
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uksysadminah - not sure of ttylinux - its a little too basic10:17
the1_dmesg shows something about hotplug10:17
uksysadmintry the ubuntu cloud images instead10:17
uksysadminok, could work then - that's the thing that sees the new disk being attached (like plugging in a USB stick)10:18
the1_is it openstack ready?10:18
the1_ready to be published?10:18
uksysadminwhat is>?10:18
the1_ubuntu cloud images10:18
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prectechDevHello all,10:21
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uksysadminyes - Canonical back OpenStack as part of their latest releases - definitely the best images to put into OpenStack10:22
uksysadmin(you can even use the cloud images published by Eucalyptus too)10:22
prectechDevDoes anyone know how to fix the problem where the instance can't download meta data from http://169.254.169.245/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id?10:22
the1_great. will try it10:23
the1_by default, openstack uses kernel and initrd from host system right?10:23
uksysadminprectechDev, this is usually handled by an iptables PREROUTING rule on the network host to get it to point to the API server10:23
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prectechDevI am using VLANManager and my instance gets an IP address but it's always responses with "no route to host" when it try connect to 169.254.169.15410:24
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prectechDev*169.254.169.25410:24
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uksysadminsounds like your initial networking set up my be screwy10:25
the1_hmmm my default install yields correct intance id from the above command10:25
prectechDevuksysadmin, I have added the PREROUTE rule on both the compute node and the controll node but it still doesn't work10:25
uksysadmineth0 on your instance will be connected to your --vlan_interface10:26
uksysadminwhat version of openstack and distro?10:26
uksysadminand instance?10:26
prectechDevI can also ping it from either node but when I try to wget the url, it comes back with "no route to host"10:27
uksysadminI think that ping isn't leaving your instance - given its a zerconf address, you could be pinging the local machine10:28
prectechDevI am running the diablo build from griddynamics rpm on centos 6.210:28
uksysadminah and ah... not used that set up10:28
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prectechDev:-(.10:30
uksysadmincheck --ec2_dmz_host address, your PREROUTE rule should point the 169.254.169.254 address to that10:30
uksysadminalso check forwarding is on on your hosts10:31
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uksysadminprectechDev, if you've the resource/time, a pretty much nearly all there setup can be had by following the instructions @ https://github.com/managedit/openstack-setup10:32
uksysadminit is based on Ubuntu10:32
uksysadmin(which I recommend [and this is coming from an RHCE and a RH based house implementing OpenStack on Ubuntu)10:33
prectechDevI might need to change, there seems o be very few people running openstack on redhat10:33
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uksysadminpresonally I don't see the point.  My view - most of OpenStack is developed on Ubuntu first plus you're already introducing something new into your environment - if it was a commercial product that hid the Operating System (e.g. VMware) you wouldn't think twice.10:34
koolhead17uksysadmin: hi there10:35
uksysadminhello koolhead17 - how are you?10:35
prectechDevwhat is "multi-node networking" about?10:35
koolhead17am good. wassup with you?10:35
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uksysadminyeah good - been doing an internal OpenStack workshop last couple of days in readiness for datacenter work10:37
koolhead17uksysadmin: sounds great!! :)10:38
uksysadminprectechDev: what context?  it sounds like the choice you get with networking: route everything through a single nova-network host or on each compute host, run nova-network too and each of them get their own route out10:38
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LarsErikPuksysadmin: nova image-list says Invaild OpenStack Nova crendentials...10:42
LarsErikPuksysadmin: euca-describe-images says Warning: failed to parse error message from AWS: <unknown>:1:0: syntax error10:42
LarsErikPeverything is set up with Kialls script...10:43
the1_uksysadmin: i used the ubuntu euc image, i was able to upload my image through euc-publish-tarball and inside the instance was able to see the new drive10:43
the1_thanks a lot10:43
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oneiroihey guys my memory has failed me, just swapped glance to a mysql back end, what's the db sync command ?10:46
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Kialloneiroi: git-manage? lol11:23
oneiroi...11:24
oneirois/git/glance/ :P11:24
LarsErikPKiall: hi... i've run your script, and now I'm having a stack with three cimpute nodes and a controller. I'm not able to use "nova boot..." or any other "nova" commands.. it says it lacks som credentials11:24
KiallLarsErikP: right, I really should document that part ;)11:25
KiallThere is a template in the repo called openrc.tmpl11:25
Kiallcreate a copy of that, fill in the details at the top and source it before using the commands11:25
uvirtbot`New bug: #943923 in nova "Adding only one floating IP to the cloud" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94392311:26
LarsErikPhaha! Okey, I'll try that. Thanks11:26
LarsErikPKiall: thanks. it worked :)11:27
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Kiallno problem...11:30
epichow do i edit the quotas in the devstack version of horizon(dashboard) ?11:30
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Kiallepic: the quotas are not actually in horizon - they are just displayed in horizon..11:31
KiallYou can set default quotas in the nova.conf file11:31
Kialland per-tenant ones with nova-manage, or by directly editing the DB11:31
epici understand11:32
epicbut in diablo, you could modify the quotas in the dashboard :)11:32
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Kiallepic: Oh - look at that, you can..11:34
KiallNever noticed that before ;)11:34
phschwartzmorning11:34
Kiall(I'm using diablo)11:34
epicok11:34
epicin devstack that possibility seems removed11:34
KiallYea.. The essex dashboard has had lots of changes, it might have been removed and not put back.. ;)11:35
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phschwartzkiall: if you have some time this morning let me know. Yesterday was alot of help, but still stuck unfortunately.11:36
Kiallphschwartz: I know its unlikely.. but, have you rebooted everything? ;)11:37
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phschwartzNot in a few days on this system. But I don't think that would be the cause. I can try though if you think I should11:37
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KiallFrom what I remember, you tracked it down to where nova calls into iptables.. Kinda sounds like it something outside of nova thats the issue!11:38
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phschwartzin init_host it gets to the last line that is iptables_manager.apply(), but all tracing I added to that function, nothing is outputted. Sort of like it failed to even call into the function.11:39
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Kiallphschwartz: can you link to where it gets stalled on github?11:40
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zykesgrrrr, i soo wanna work on openstack (11:41
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phschwartzkiall: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/diablo/nova/network/linux_net.py#L40111:42
phschwartzThe last trace I put in, is right before that, and none of the ones I added to this function (https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/diablo/nova/network/linux_net.py#L292) print out.11:43
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Kiallphschwartz: so an log right between L299 and L300 never gets called?11:45
Kialla*11:45
phschwartzcorrect11:45
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KiallK - That method has a decorator (the @utils.synchronized)11:45
Kiallhttps://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/diablo/nova/utils.py#L63511:46
KiallSo it somewhat indirectly goes in there before running apply11:46
KiallThat looks about right actually11:46
KiallIf it fails to obtain a lock, things will appear to hang11:47
phschwartzThat is bad. If it fails to get a sem, it should throw11:47
Kiallcan you `ls /var/lock/nova`11:48
phschwartzhmm, I don't remember seeing the log lines from there.11:49
phschwartzOne sec. The box is rebooting. It is a backplaned supermicro. Takes a while to get through the bios load.11:49
KiallCant take longer than a dell ;)11:49
Kiallbrb11:49
phschwartzActually.11:50
phschwartzThe reboot seems to have corrected something.11:50
phschwartzNetwork registered when it just fully loaded.11:50
phschwartzhmm, might still have an issue. immediate error on instance launch11:51
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epici have added a floating ip range, and associated one of the ips with a running instance. the ip is now bound to the br100 interface, not set up in the instance, and ping returns: "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" even if I configure the ip in the instance, at no point was any rules with the floating network range added to iptables, any ideas?12:00
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phschwartzkiall: ok. Working now. The issue with the iptables.apply failure was a failure to write a lock to /var/lock/nova12:02
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Kiallany idea why it failed?12:09
phschwartzno, not at all.12:09
phschwartzI have a few other nodes to play with that have the same issue.12:09
phschwartzlet me log in to one.12:09
KiallDid the reboot clear out the file from /var/lock/nova? or was the file still there after a reboot?12:09
phschwartzIt was all cleared out along with most of the system. It is a netbooted box and I think there was a perm issue on /var/lock/nova owned by root.12:10
KiallMight be worth submitting a bug report, nova should probably fail gracefully there..12:11
KiallOr at least thrown an exception ;)12:11
Kiallalso .. `apt-get install --reinstall python-nova` .. fixup all the files you changed ;)12:12
phschwartzI will open a bug for it12:12
phschwartzAlready did :)12:12
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LarsErikPKiall: INFO nova.compute.manager [-] Found 2 in the database and 0 on the hypervisor.12:15
LarsErikPKiall: what is this compute-node actually doing? :p12:16
KiallLarsErikP: so 2 instances are not actually running for some reason...12:16
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LarsErikPKiall: INFO nova.compute.manager [-] Found 2 in the database and 0 on the hypervisor.12:20
KiallLarsErikP: so 2 instances are not actually running for some reason...12:20
LarsErikPsorry, wrong paste12:20
Kiallah ;)12:20
LarsErikPfailed to paste from cssh :p12:20
LarsErikPthe nova-compute.log says "libvir: QEMU error: Domain nor found: no domain with matching name 'instance-0000004'12:21
KiallSo the domain (VM/instance) was not configured on libvirt correctly... there should be an error somewhere else detailing why12:22
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Kiallanyway - gotta run... cyas later12:22
LarsErikPKiall: okey, thansk12:22
zykesHakon|mbp: her ?12:24
Hakon|mbpyup12:24
zykesstarted using openstack yet ?12:24
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Hakon|mbpjust tried it, played with it12:24
zykes: o12:24
Hakon|mbpi have had no use for it yet12:24
Hakon|mbphow about you? any deployments?12:26
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LarsErikPis it necessary to configure libvirt in any way? :p12:47
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technologovin nova u need to specify libvirt backend12:48
technologov(uml, qemu, kvm, lxc, ...)12:49
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technologov(maybe more... but this is what I'm aware of)12:49
technologov(in /etc/nova/nova.conf)12:49
Guest59181hi12:51
LarsErikPthat one I know of.. But do I have to configure anything in /etc/libvirt12:51
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LarsErikP'cause, when i try to spawn an instance, i''m now stuck with the qemu error above12:59
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LarsErikPwq13:06
LarsErikPwrooong shell13:06
LarsErikPforgot a : whatsoever :p13:06
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mancdazops tools do you guys use to manage the swift infrastructure - adding nodes/rebuilding rings and stuff like that?13:23
mancdaz\13:23
mancdazsorry that was meant for ahale13:24
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mancdazactually that was meant for a different channel - apologies13:25
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LarsErikPmaybe i'm tired.. but.. on mye compute-nodes... Do I need any other nova-packages than compute?13:35
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mancdazLarsErikP: if you're going to be using HA networking, you'll need nova-network too13:36
LarsErikPHA? using VLAN-manager13:36
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mancdazI mean when you created your network with nova-manage, you have the option of adding the multi_host=True flag13:37
mancdazthis assumes that each node will have nova-network running, making each compute host effectively it's own failure domain13:37
LarsErikPaha.. yeah, i'm running with multi-host in nova.conf13:37
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mancdazok13:37
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LarsErikPso, then i need network on every compute-node13:38
LarsErikP?13:38
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mancdazyes13:38
LarsErikPaha. tnx13:38
mancdazand if you find your instances then failing to connect to the api service for the metadata (cloud-init) when they spin up, just fire up nova-api on each node too13:39
mancdazit's a bit of a lazy workaround to making the iptables rules work properly13:39
LarsErikPoki. the i'll just kopy the api.pase from controller?13:40
LarsErikPpaste*13:41
mancdazyup13:42
LarsErikPuhm.. no all the nodes (compute and controller) has the same ip for br100....13:43
LarsErikP*now13:43
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LarsErikPstill got this.. libvir: QEMU error : Domain not found: no domain with matching name 'instance-00000008'13:46
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mancdazLarsErikP: in flatdhcp, normally each br100 would take a different ip for each node13:48
LarsErikPas I said, i'm using VLANmanager13:48
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abbopenstackcan anyone guide on how swift works actually?13:56
notmynameabbopenstack: that's a pretty general questions :-)13:57
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technologovDo you happen to know, if I can vote ? (I Have submitted half-a-dozen docs patches)14:20
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Kialltechnologov: you would have got an email with links to vote if you could.. BUT14:27
KiallThe openstack-manuals repo doesnt have an AUTHORS file, which is what they use to decide who gets to vote AFAIK14:27
KiallSo, Maybe you can just ask stefano directly?14:27
technologovI will ask on the mailing-list14:28
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technologov(I don't know stefano)14:28
Kiallpretty sure stefano is the one looking after the votes, he has mailed the list about them a few times14:29
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notmynamealso for the PPB elections, there was a requirement to register to vote14:30
uvirtbot`New bug: #944022 in nova "Creating server with the pasword which is not meeting complexity requirements is not raising bad request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94402214:30
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944023 in nova "GET servers with changes-since parameter is not working properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94402314:35
uvirtbot`New bug: #944027 in nova "Server showing ACTIVE(rebooting) status instead of REBOOT while rebooting server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94402714:35
uvirtbot`New bug: #944015 in nova "Reboot server twice without wait for the server to become active is failing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94401514:38
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944028 in nova "Updating the server hostid to another name not raising Bad request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94402814:41
uvirtbot`New bug: #944024 in openstack-org "broken links on the projects page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94402414:43
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944034 in nova "Updating the server with invalid name is not raising Bad request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94403414:46
mancdaztechnologov: I believe you are too late to register to vote14:47
technologovok, maybe next year then14:49
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technologov(I don't know most O-S people anyway, except few...)14:49
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technologovjust I'm curious14:50
technologovwhat it takes to become eligible14:50
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mancdazthere were link for registration sent on the mailing list14:52
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mancdazanyone could register I believe14:52
mancdazbut there was a cut off date14:52
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technologovuhu, ok14:53
technologovalso the "anyone" is a bit of extreme14:53
technologovI mean, for example in the Debian project only registered Debian Developers can vote14:54
technologov(they must contribute to Debian in a significant way, before they can apply to become a DD)14:55
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mancdazah maybe you needed to be a member of one of the projects on launchpad or something, I don't fully recall14:58
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mancdazI just mean you definitely didn't need to be a contributor14:58
Kiallmancdaz: I actually believe you do need to be a contributor15:00
chmouelyeah you needed to be a openstack contributor15:00
Kiall I believe the rules were basically A) Be listed in the AUTHORS file for one of the projects (ie be a contributor)15:00
Kialland B) if you want to vote in the PPB elections (there are 2 votes happening at once), then you must satisfy A and register15:00
KiallThe only reason I'm in doubt about technologov's eligibility is that the openstack-manuals repo does not have an AUTHORS file like all the others15:02
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technologovthen I will ask to fix it... open new wish :)15:02
Kiall;)15:02
KiallAlso - Have you had patches accepted? I noticed your email asking how to  submit patches earlier today?15:03
technologovopenstack-manuals is no less important than any other openstack pieces of the puzzle.15:03
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Kialltechnologov: probably more so ;)15:03
technologovnope. Only sent.15:03
KiallWithout good docs, you have nothing15:03
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technologovshould be " unlike all the others"15:05
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Kialltechnologov: https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg07553.html15:06
Kiallsearch for "How to register to vote for PTL" (the formatting got messed up..15:06
Kiallthat sentance should have been a title..)15:06
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DavieyKiall: equally, without code, you have no docs :)15:08
technologovyea :)15:08
DavieyOr pretty tame ones :)15:09
technologov...only "blueprints", at best :)15:09
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mancdazk my bad then15:13
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technologovmancdaz, Kiall in the end -- you both are right15:21
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technologovanne has made it clear to me15:21
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technologovto vote PPB only "launchpad" registration is enough.15:22
annegentleguys, I considered running for PPB since there is no PTL position for docs, but ttx has a proposal for a new technical committee on which QA, CI, and Docs could fit. So I think with time we'll have the correct check and balance system15:22
technologovto vote PTL (project technical lead), for specific project, you must contribute.15:22
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technologov"ttx = ?"15:23
ttxme15:23
technologovaha... I thought it is some technical acronym :)15:23
ttxhttp://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee15:23
annegentletechnologov: ttx is our Release Manager15:23
technologovo ! nice :)15:24
annegentleso far, behavior and action has been aligned correctly without governance, which is always a good thing15:24
annegentle:)15:24
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koolhead17technologov: your funny!! :)15:24
livemoonhi, does anyone use zone in Essex?15:25
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livemoonhi, koolhead1715:26
Kzimhello, i try to understand openstack a little more. i see how the storage can have failover via iSCSI etc.. but how instance handle failover ? i mean if they don't have storage. any keyword to put in google will do :) thanks15:27
koolhead17livemoon: long time. how have you been?15:28
livemoontravelled15:29
oneiroichmouel: *ping* can you set metadata on a swift container to serve an "index file" ?15:29
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technologovusually, mgmt. layer will try to cold-start a new VM on second host, if the VM dies on first host (although I'm not sure how this works in OpenStack, but I know how it works in similar other products)15:29
chmoueloneiroi: do you mean the staticweb ?15:29
chmouelmiddleware?15:29
livemoonkoolhead17: now I am back to learn openstack15:29
technologovKzim, ^15:29
chmoueloneiroi: ie: http://swift.openstack.org/misc.html#module-swift.common.middleware.staticweb15:29
oneiroiunsure atm, looking at options for a completely static site to be served15:29
oneiroichmouel: thanks15:30
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Kzimtechnologov: but if the server die that mean VM are stored twice or in a centralized storage ?15:31
technologovKzim, ofc.15:31
technologovin OpenStack-swift15:31
technologov(in other solutiuons, it would be NFS)15:31
oneiroi*sulk* not implemented @ CloudFiles :-/15:32
Kzimbut i haven't yet conf any volume storage, but i'll go read the swift doc knowing that thanks a lot !15:32
uksysadminkzim, technologov you wouldn't store your running vms on swift - its not nfs15:32
uksysadminyou can set up ha in your instances so you can live migrate stuff between hosts15:32
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uksysadminyou can also set a flag in nova to restart instances on failure15:33
technologovuksysadmin, live migrate won't work if host A blows up15:33
uksysadminpersonally, you'd design your instances so that you can accommodate failure15:33
uksysadminnot expect that instance to have long life enough to worry about ha15:33
uksysadmintechnologov: absolutely, but its the closest concept... its not VMware's lock-step HA product15:34
technologovuksysadmin, how will it restart ? (glance is local-only, right?)15:34
uksysadminprior to vSphere, the best that could happen was that the image would spin up on a new host from cold15:34
uksysadminglance is the image service15:34
uksysadminyour compute nodes communicate with it15:34
technologovuksysadmin, this is the only way... cold-start a VM on new host15:35
Kzimcold-start mean a new instance ? so you loose the preview instance conf ?15:35
uksysadminyes - design for failure in your instances, don't expect your instances to be permanently available and you're in the right ball park.  hardware failures WILL happen.15:35
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technologovbut glance images are always local (on the compute node), or not ?15:35
uksysadminimages get copied to some storage on your compute host15:35
uksysadminnothing stopping that being nfs15:36
uksysadminwhich so happens to be the same nfs area on your second host15:36
technologovuksysadmin, "design for failure" may not work... assume I have an application that is not HA capable15:36
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technologovcan I add HA to it ?15:36
Kzimuksysadmin: so for exemple to have HA you always need to conf a storage volume on the instance so that a fresh new image can mount it and get back to work ?15:37
technologovusually cold-start a VM from same HDD state would be a good answer15:37
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uksysadminHA in its true sense assumes there is no loss to service15:37
uksysadminHA in a service is different to HA of an instance15:38
Kzimi'm not sure i understand if you instance blow up you can't keep any state :/ but again i'm not sure i understtand all15:38
Kzimho15:38
uksysadminKzim, expect your instance to die and when it comes back up its a new machine15:38
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uksysadminyou can recover instances though15:38
uksysadminif you're lucky15:39
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uksysadmin(see nova client:  nova recover)15:39
Kzimyeah so if there were change on the dead instance they won't be here on the new ? so it can be hard to create an application that handle that no ?15:39
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uksysadminYou need to put the technology in the right place and do a cloud strategy that fits with the service you require15:40
uksysadminyou don't want to put OpenStack in if all you're doing is running an Exchange server that expects to be up 365 days a year.15:40
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uksysadminthat's virtualization15:40
uksysadminthere are good products for that kind of thing15:40
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Kzimi see, juste to be sure. why the VM an't in a storage this way if a instance fail another can load the same exact VM ?15:40
uksysadmincloudy stuff - good use cases: stateless web servers15:41
uksysadminthrowaway intermediary compute instances like hadoop15:41
technologovuksysadmin, Well, I expect OpenStack to *replace* VMware vSphere in the future...15:41
technologovjust need to figure out how-to improve it15:42
uksysadminlong lived stuff - sure you can do it... providing that as part of your recovery is to recreate your instance, not expect it to be the same machine15:42
technologovto fill the gaps of missing functionality15:42
uksysadminin the short-to-medium term I see OpenStack complimentary to vSphere.  There are different use cases (and functionality)15:42
Kzimuksysadmin: you mean that session can't be keep in a web server cloud ?15:42
uksysadminno I mean that a web server has a purpose - to pass tcp packets from client to backend for processing and back out again15:43
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uksysadminyou don't want to store your imap store on your instance as the storage is considered temporary15:43
uksysadminsure you can attach "EBS" to it via nova-volume15:44
uksysadminso its feasible15:44
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uksysadminwould you? think you're missing the opportunity of cloud computing if you don't treat your machines as throw-away instances15:44
uksysadminif I can throw a machine away and my service survives it implies my recovery is quicker, it implies I an spin up machines with little intervention which then means I can scale autonomously15:45
uksysadminat no point would I expect my cloud instance to be "recovered"15:45
uksysadminat least this is the environment, use case and experience of my area15:46
uksysadminYMMV15:46
technologovuksysadmin, maybe OpenStack could work as both Enterprise Virtualization product (i.e. keep instances) and in cloud form (throw instances) ?15:46
Kzimunderstood, so it's the volume storage that must stay alive and keep all the data safe, the instance are just here to do the work and be in the middle15:47
uksysadminKzim, yes, you're spinning up compute instances to perform a function on that data15:47
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uksysadmintechnologov, yes - there is nothing stopping you use OpenStack as a traditional virtualization product which implies long-lived instances as you control what that instance is15:48
uksysadminyou can still snapshot them, so point in time recovery is possible15:48
uksysadminand recover might work for you15:48
uksysadminbut the power of cloud comes from not expecting static environments15:49
technologovwhat can be gained by not expecting static environments ?15:49
uksysadminscalability15:50
technologov(only that starting many instances seems easier...)15:50
uksysadminnot expecting the same IP15:50
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uksysadminnot expecting the same hostname15:50
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Kzimuksysadmin: there is one last thing i don't understand. when you create an instance with like 32core nova will deploy this instance on all the nova-compute for a total of 32 core ? and they all communicate via rabbitMQ ?15:51
uksysadminonce you get over that thinking, you can scale services from 1 to 100 if need be - the principles behind attaching users to your instances becomes trivial15:51
uvirtbot`New bug: #944091 in quantum "python-quantumclient needs LICENSE file" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94409115:51
uksysadminrecovery is quicker - you're recoving app1, app2, app3 and connecting these to a particular load balancer, say.  you manage your service, not your instances15:51
uksysadminKzim, to spin an instance up with 32 cores, your host must have 32 cores at least15:53
uksysadminit doesn't spread them out over different nodes - its not a grid15:53
uksysadminits a cluster of individual compute hosts15:53
_william_no today i'm in Rennes for the day, and tomorrow in Paris15:54
_william_oops15:54
_william_sorry :)15:54
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Kzimuksysadmin: oh :/ host that offer 128core have huge machine :)15:55
uksysadmin:)15:56
uksysadminjust be aware that the bigger the instance, the more of your environment power disappears when that instance/host fails... but 32 cores could be applicable to some app15:56
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Kzimuksysadmin: but that mean you can't really expand... i mean let's say i have a mysql that write in a DB that is in a voluem storage. i can take all the core from my host then if i want more there is a proxy that spread the work between the 2 mysql host ?15:57
Kzimand i still have the probleme that i can't write in the same mysql DB from 2 host ?15:57
uksysadminyou don't use nova-volume, you'd use nfs or such like15:58
technologovHA topic: again, on a local compute-node, who holds the instances ? nova-volume on local hard disk ?15:58
uksysadminor you can use nova-volume and do db replication15:58
Kzimuksysadmin: why ? :/15:58
technologov(or it can be nova-volume on NFS?)15:58
uksysadminthink I'm misunderstanding what you want there15:58
uksysadminyou would just load balance your mysql servers15:59
uksysadminhave a number of them, have a client talking to the load balancer and set up Master/Master replication15:59
uksysadminhow you do your storage is up to you15:59
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uksysadminthey can both have their own nova-volumes attached15:59
Kzimi hate master/master15:59
uksysadminthis is outside of the topic of openstack - this is a "MySQL" clustering issue - its not specific to this16:00
Kzimi don't understand the diffrence between nova-volume and NFS , nova-volume can't be attach on muttle instance ?16:00
Kzimmultiple16:00
uksysadminnova-volumes are like USB sticks16:00
uksysadminthey are permanent storage that can only be used by one instance at a time16:00
Kzimah, that explain a lot16:01
uvirtbot`New bug: #944096 in nova "glance plugin should try multiple servers on failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94409616:01
uvirtbot`New bug: #944097 in openstack-manuals "openstack-manuals needs LICENSE file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94409716:01
uksysadminso you store the data you care about on them... for example, MySQL DB16:02
uksysadminwhen your mysql instance dies, spin a new one up, attach the nova-volume storing the db and away you go again16:02
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Kzimi see, i see. but so i don't really understand what Rabbit MQ do in all of this if the application is per host16:04
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the1_uksysadmin: do u have any idea what i should check first, i suddenly lost internet connectivity inside instances. but dns request works.16:07
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uksysadminthe1_, sounds like some forwarding isn't working.16:08
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uksysadminif you can do DNS, its talking to the local "nova-network"... but can your host itself get out to the internet?16:09
uksysadminrabbit mq is the message bus that handles the message passing between the openstack components16:09
the1_cant get out of the network, when i do traceroute packet only goes as far as nova-network believe (first hop)16:10
Kzimuksysadmin: so nova-network dispatch users query on all the web server instance for exemple ?16:11
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uksysadminthe1_, did you say you could originally?16:12
uksysadminKzim, not exactly - nova-network handles the ip assignment and routing (along with compute)16:13
zykes-anyone here from Mirantis ?16:13
technologovessex-M4 and RC1 is the same ?16:13
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the1_yes, originally i could but switched from 10.10.x.x network to 192.168.20.x network16:14
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the1_when i ps dnsmasq it shows correct network (the new one)16:14
the1_and instance can get correct dhcp ip16:15
uksysadminsounds like your iptables rules have become messed up - it does some jiggery-pokery to route the instances from internal instances to the outside world via the nova-network gateway16:15
uksysadminif you've changed IP addresses, sounds like the rest of the environment doesn't know about it16:15
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Kzimuksysadmin:  so how openstack merge the compute power for a service ?16:16
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944105 in nova "500 error on 'nova host-update --status [enabled|disabled] when using xenapi aggregates'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94410516:16
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uksysadminKzim, you can have multiple compute instances but you can't combine their compute power16:20
uksysadminfor example, if you had 64 cores in 2 compute hosts, you can't create an instance of 128 cores16:20
uksysadminits not grid computing16:21
uksysadminbut what you can have is a large number of instances that run on those compute hosts that are part of the same tenancy/network16:23
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KiallAnyone else occasionally find instances sit at the grub menu during boot? Using the stock ubuntu images...16:25
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uksysadminKiall, no but I've seen message which hint that something hasn't quite been right - fscking instances suggesting something screwy happens when dding the disk around the place16:26
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KiallWhats worse is, I'm not convinced these instances should be running anymore ;)16:26
KiallAnd - they chew 100% of 1 core while sitting at the screen...16:27
uksysadmin:S16:27
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uksysadminI'll blame your build of OpenStack ;-)16:27
KiallLol - its stock ubuntu images :P16:27
uksysadmin:)16:28
Kzimuksysadmin: i understand but i have to setup a load balancer to make them work together ? this part isn't handle by openstack ?16:28
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uksysadminopenstack creates your instances - what you do with them is up to you16:30
uksysadminthey're still "machines" that have an IP address that run an operating system16:31
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Kzimuksysadmin: i think i 've seen openstack like a magic solution that do all i want :) i have to chill :)16:32
uksysadminKzim, it is a magic solution.  It won't make you a beer though without a little intervention ;-)16:32
technologovKzim, you should see the community, and the project direction as a magic solution, really :)16:33
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technologovwith 100+ developers, the functionality gaps can be closed with time16:33
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Kzimeven if i don't have my beer (next milestone ?) i still see openstack as a great solution and look forward to use it16:34
Kzimuksysadmin, technologov you helped me A LOT to understand many things thanks for your time and patience :)16:35
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technologovonly uksys, me not... I'm still studying O-S :)16:36
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uksysadminnp - think we're all still studying!16:37
Kzim:)16:37
technologovso assuming I want HA, I need to point nova-volume on NFS share ?16:38
technologov...so that host 2 can cold-start the same instance VM ?16:38
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uksysadminyou want to protect your nova-volume because that's the equivalent of your HDD/USB stick16:40
uksysadminif you lost your disk, what would happen to the data16:40
uksysadminbut it doesn't need to be on NFS if you have some other backup strategy16:41
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uksysadminit is on an LVM volume afterall, so can do snapshotting16:41
technologovuksysadmin, snapshotting will not help if host 1 blows up16:42
uksysadminNFS isn't a requirement for two machines to use this (though remember they can't use the same volume at the same time)16:42
technologovthere must be real HA16:42
technologov(at least planned...)16:42
uksysadminno - but neither would any solution at present with OpenStack16:42
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santyrThat's why I'm lurking here: HA16:42
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uksysadminyou have to accept cold start of a new instance that potentially has a different IP and hostname (technically you can account for this though)16:42
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uksysadminI've only had experience of what vSphere supports in HA of instances - their FT product16:43
Kialltechnologov: NFS share is probably not the best option...16:44
uksysadminwhere they keep two VMs in very close lock-step16:44
Kialltechnologov: nova-volume supports HA via use of the SAN driver, rather than LVM driver16:44
uksysadminso if an underlying host blew up, it would continue on another host16:44
KiallAlso .. You can HA LVM yourself with drdbd and friends...16:44
technologovuksysadmin, I have experience with RHEV (Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization) -- it does "poor-man's" HA... i.e. cold starts a the same VM on another host, from shared NFS16:44
Kialltechnologov: right. "poor-man's" HA is doable with nova easily enough (this is separate to nova-volume)16:45
uksysadminyes, in a cloud world I expect that to be the case for some time - sure, there are 150+ companies wanting to put their stamp on OpenStack and I'm sure someone will come out with a product that does Fault Tolerance, but I'd plan my environment around failure16:45
KiallIt does require some scripting etc.. But its doable16:45
uksysadminand expect cold starts16:45
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uksysadminnova-volume only comes into play with state stored on a disk that must be present when your blown up instance respawns16:46
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uksysadminwe use AWS in this way - instance (or EC2) fails, new one spins up, attaches nova-volume if needed, starts instance, connects to load balancers if need be, etc.16:47
uksysadminpredominantly automated16:47
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aweisshey guys, trying to run qemu instance in VirtualBox…getting error: (nova.rpc.common): TRACE: libvirtError: internal error no supported architecture for os type 'hvm'…i have set the appropriate flaps in nova.conf16:48
Kzimuksysadmin: who do that ? openstack or a script you made ?16:48
uksysadminscripts16:48
uksysadminbut technically through a SaaS provider that provides a management layer to EC2 - Rightscale16:48
uksysadminbut easily doable in a few lines of bash and either euca2ools or nova commands16:49
Kzimuksysadmin: nova detect the fail and execute a home-made script  with arguments like imagetype etc ?16:49
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uksysadminaweiss, change the libvirt_type to be qemu16:50
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aweissthat's what I've set —libvirt_type=qemu16:51
uvirtbot`New bug: #944137 in swift "Segmented upload/download does not behave as expected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94413716:51
Kiallaweiss: watch out for an override in /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf...16:51
Kiallthat gets read after nova.conf, assuming you using any of the ubuntu packages16:51
aweisshaha thanks kiall…sure enough thats where its not set as qemu16:51
Kiall;)16:51
aweissis the nova-compute.conf a new addition?16:52
aweissi'm using the trunk package dated feb 2716:52
uksysadmin+1 Kiall - yeah that crept in recently16:52
technologovuksysadmin, Kiall for true HA+FT, our hypervisors must be patched ... AFAIK they do not support it... qemu/KVM/Xen/UML/LXC/OpenVZ/VirtualBox/...16:52
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aweissok so here's another little issue…because the instance failed to launch in dashboard, it keeps trying to respawn and I'm unable to terminate it…is this a dashboard bug?16:53
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uksysadmintechnologov there are times when FT is required, there's the other 99.9% where its not necessary16:53
Kiallwell - nova-volume HA and FT is doable right now.. either drdbd or SAN.. and instance HA is doable with NFS+Scripting.. FT on the other hand would be harder do with without hypervisor support16:53
technologovBu even poor man's HA is *NOT* documented it seems16:53
uksysadminyes, there's so much that can be done if you tackle each individual service16:54
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KiallRight, and there are 500 different ways to do each.. Documenting 1 solution as "the way" seems wrong to me.. ;)16:54
technologovFT is required only when running a server application, that lacks HA built-in (HP OpenView NNM, SNPMc, RHEV-M ...)16:54
technologovwell.. 500 is too much16:55
Kiallget better apps ;) (just kidding.. no really, get better apps)16:55
technologovbut 1 or 2 common ways would be good idea16:55
* santyr nods16:55
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technologovbut 1 or 2 common ways would be good idea to document16:55
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944115 in keystone "typo in manuals (configuration page) "SERVIVE"" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94411516:56
KiallThe most obvious HA for instances is A) /var/lib/nova/instances on NFS. B) Script to detect failed hosts, issue a SQL query, and reboot the instances on that host"16:56
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technologovBut are you aware of FT-capable OSS hypervisor ? me not.16:56
Kiallwhere "detect failed hosts" should probably include some form of STONITH16:56
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technologov(i.e. the OSS community lacks the necessary hypervisor at this time)16:57
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uksysadminwhich is fair enough - its only enterprises with kit where big fat instances are required to run in lock-step16:58
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uksysadminnot the fluid landscape of cloud where instances are designed to be short-lived and do a job16:58
technologovKiall, you say get better apps... but is OpenStack itself HA capable ? Rabbit MQ, nova-api ? Are they HA-ready ?16:59
KiallYes and yes16:59
uksysadminmost of openstack are web services16:59
uksysadminthey can tolerate just living behind a load balancer16:59
KiallRabbitMQ has master/master HA .. Nova can run multiple instances.. MySQL has well known HA options16:59
uksysadminmultiple hosts doing the same, sharing the load16:59
technologovuksysadmin, this is only currently (due to rackspace influence).. in future O-S will be pushed into the Enterprise Virtualization sector, so game-rules will change17:00
armaanhi folks, i am facing this problem, when i give the command euca-describe-availability-zones verbose, i got an error:500 server has either erred or is incapable of performing the request17:00
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technologovand is load-balancer HA ready ?17:00
technologov^^17:00
uvirtbot`technologov: Error: "^" is not a valid command.17:00
uksysadmintechnologov, yes - whichever way you look at that17:01
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oneiroiKiall:  + RabbitMQ has clustering iirc17:01
uvirtbot`New bug: #944145 in nova "race condition when putting host in maintenance causes VM's state to be SHUTOFF" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94414517:01
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uksysadminright - home time. great discussions.17:01
Kialltechnologov: a HTTP load balancer is probably the simplest thing on earth to HA ;)17:01
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dweimerKiall: That's good to know about rabbitmq support. Do the nova rabbitmq clients understand the consumer cancelation notifications and fail over automatically?17:01
technologovthank you :)17:02
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Kialldweimer: Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. Its HA support is new and I've not looked at the specifics of how it works17:02
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armaanhi folks, i am facing this problem, when i give the command euca-describe-availability-zones verbose, i got an error:500 server has either erred or is incapable of performing the request.17:06
dweimerThanks. I suppose you could load balance in front of mirrored queues if the clients don't support the failover nofications.17:06
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dhellmannI'm getting a bunch of errors building the nova documentation in my vm after installing with devstack. The first is that there is no ldap module. Which ldap package is it expecting to have installed?17:19
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annegentledhellmann: the Sphinx documentation build needs ldap? Interesting. I haven't built it for a while but usually needed the venv installed (not sure if devstack now gives you what you need).17:21
dhellmannyeah, annegentle, sphinx is importing code to get docstrings to build api documentation, I guess17:22
dhellmanncan you point me to the instructions for setting up the venv?17:22
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annegentledhellmann: super old, not sure if they work, sorry for all the disclaimers - http://wiki.openstack.org/PythonDevelopmentEnvironment17:25
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dhellmannthanks, annegentle, I'll see if I can get it working that way17:26
annegentledhellmann: also see http://nova.openstack.org/devref/development.environment.html - I don't honestly know which is more updated17:26
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aabeshmm..here's another dev env setup doc... http://wiki.openstack.org/PythonDevelopmentEnvironment17:28
aabesah.. sorry.. was just 2 lines above17:29
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dhellmannI'm running tools/install_venv.py now, but it doesn't look like it is going to install an ldap module (at least I don't see it in the requirements file) :-/17:30
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koolhead17dhellmann: you mean its not inside tools/pip-requires file ?17:40
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dhellmannthat's right koolhead17, I don't see anything like ldap in the file17:43
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944116 in nova "diablo: race condition between server delete and image-create" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94411617:43
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944168 in nova "VIFs unplugged twice during VM restart?" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94416817:50
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944169 in devstack "Move service config files to /etc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94416917:52
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abbopenstackHi All, I am new to openstack, can anyone guide me, I want some how to ... links?18:09
abbopenstack i want to setup openstack18:09
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heckjabbopenstack: have you started with the docs? (http://docs.openstack.org/) - pretty good overview18:10
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abbopenstackyes. but little confused in Nova and Swift.18:10
abbopenstackCan I setup Nova and Swift on 1 machine?18:11
abbopenstacki have limited hardware with me.18:11
abbopenstackwhat r the min h/w requirement for openstack setup?18:11
uvirtbot`New bug: #944184 in nova "Iptables chaine name is to long for nova-api-metadata" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94418418:11
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LanceHaigabbopenstack, you can run openstack on One machine only18:12
LanceHaigit depends what you want to do18:13
abbopenstacki want to give demo to my management team.18:13
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abbopenstackso they can start use openstack with live environment.18:13
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abbopenstackso small setup like EC2 features18:14
LanceHaigwhat do you see openstack as?18:14
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LanceHaigand what "live" environment do you have18:14
LanceHaigI would suggest you use http://devstack.org/18:15
LanceHaigfor your POC machine18:15
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abbopenstackAs per my understanding openstack is cloud software with which we can setup ec2 like environment on normal hardware18:15
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LanceHaigit is well documented and will be very useful in setting up a single demo machine18:16
LanceHaigabbopenstack, you are correct18:16
LanceHaigso if you want to start small just use one 64bit machine with local storage and ram18:16
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abbopenstackok18:16
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LanceHaigthen after you have played with that for a bit18:17
LanceHaigread http://www.referencearchitecture.org/18:17
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LanceHaigwhich tells you what you would need to setup a private cloud environment18:17
LanceHaigyou can use that as a guide when choosing hardware for your cluster18:18
LanceHaigdoes that help?18:18
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abbopenstacksee, i am in software testing department,18:18
abbopenstacki have to first give demo18:18
abbopenstackthen I have to test it.18:19
abbopenstackmanagement team is ready to purchase h/w on my trust18:19
LanceHaiggood :-)18:19
LanceHaighere at the top of this page is the requirement for a POC http://www.referencearchitecture.org/hardware-specifications/18:19
abbopenstackso before that , i want to show them something good18:19
LanceHaigabbopenstack, a good plan I think18:19
abbopenstackyes. good link for hardware spec.18:20
abbopenstackbut, on it there is proxy node, compute node....18:21
abbopenstackso I need to setup them separately?18:21
LanceHaigfor a POC no18:21
abbopenstackor I can do all things on one machine?18:22
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abbopenstackok18:22
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LanceHaigI would suggest one controller and 2 compute nodes18:22
LanceHaigyou would then install the controller part on the one node18:23
abbopenstackcontroller means swift and compute means nova, is it correct , what I am understanding?18:23
LanceHaigand then on the compute nodes you can add swift as well18:23
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LanceHaigcontroller is as the name says it controls everything18:24
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LanceHaigthe compute nodes host your VM's18:24
LanceHaigand you can run swift storage ont he compute nodes as well18:24
LanceHaigswift is the object store if I rememebr correctly18:24
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abbopenstackso what i have to install on controller?18:25
LanceHaigI have not done much with Openstack since I went on course in january18:25
abbopenstackyes, swift is object store. you are right.18:25
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LanceHaigI think as a first stage I would suggest you install Ubuntu 11.10 on one machine18:26
LanceHaigleave some disk space free for swift and nova18:26
LanceHaigperhaps have some pare disks18:26
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LanceHaigthen use http://devstack.org/18:27
LanceHaigand just let it install openstack for you18:27
LanceHaigyou will then have a working system18:27
abbopenstackok.18:27
LanceHaigwhich will enable you to deploy VM's and play18:27
LanceHaigso they can see it at work18:27
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LanceHaigthen if they want a POC then you can build a bigger environment around that first server18:28
LanceHaigthe first server will become the controller then18:28
abbopenstackok18:28
LanceHaighope that helps18:28
abbopenstackso the controller have nova installed  on it, right ?18:28
LanceHaigas a one server install yes18:29
abbopenstackok. got it.18:29
LanceHaigas your cluster grows bigegr you can turn off nova on the controller18:29
LanceHaigand swift18:29
LanceHaigand all it does only the management of all the swift and nova nodes18:29
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notmynameabbopenstack: http://swift.openstack.org/development_saio.html describes how to set up swift in a VM (for dev purposes)18:30
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abbopenstackok.18:30
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LanceHaighere is another one to run the cloud in a virtual environment http://devstack.org/guides/single-vm.html18:31
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abbopenstackhttp://wiki.openstack.org/Testing     this link is not updated . Anyone knows about swift testing18:36
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notmynameabbopenstack: what do you need to know?18:37
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abbopenstackwhat all functinoal testing of swift people are doing.18:37
abbopenstackso i can also try to help them.18:38
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notmynameabbopenstack: functiona testing of swift is done with the .functests script in the source tree. for integration tests with other projects, I don't know18:38
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abbopenstackok.18:39
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944245 in nova "Support --ipv6 and --port in python-novaclient ssh command" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94424519:06
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ppradhanhey guys. when I try to access VNC console from dashboard. It says 403 forbidden.. Access denied.. any ideas19:13
ppradhan?19:13
aweissppradhan: i'm having similar issues with VNC and dashboard as well19:13
aweissi'm getting an HTTP 302 error when it attempts to look in images_and_volumes19:13
aweissstill trying to figure it out19:14
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ppradhanaweiss: ok..19:14
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ppradhanshould we install nova-vncproxy in compute node or the controller?19:15
aweisswhich vnc are you using…noVNC or xvpvnc19:15
ppradhannoNVC19:15
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aweisssame here19:15
aweissnova-vncproxy should be installed on controller19:15
ppradhani apt getted from ucb repo19:15
aweissok…one i'm using is from trunk packages19:16
ppradhanok I wikk try that I have it running  in compute node .. that might be a problem too19:16
aweissk19:17
aweissif anyone else has any input regarding how VNC should be configured in the latest version of nova that would be great19:17
aweissi'm confused as to how to properly configure and run either noVNC or the xvpvnc19:18
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zynzelaweiss: nova get-vnc-console works?19:19
aweisstried that19:19
zynzelaweiss: and?19:19
aweisssays its not available19:19
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aweissi have launched noVNC using the launch.sh script19:19
zynzelaweiss: pls paste output.19:19
aweisssure19:19
zynzelaweiss: without geting valid token, noVNC is not important.19:20
openstackopswhat is the default local storage size for m1.xlarge? (the document says it's 160GB, is it true?)19:20
aweisszynzel: ok19:20
zynzelopenstackops: check in db.19:20
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ppradhanaweiss: its working for me. after I install it in controller node19:24
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aweisshttp://paste.openstack.org/show/5672/19:24
zynzelaweiss: nova get-vnc-console instance1 novnc19:25
zynzel3rd arg is instance name, not ip.19:25
zynzelname or id*19:25
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aweissok19:26
aweissnow instead of error, not getting any output19:26
zynzelaweiss: this is good. ;)19:27
PhibsAnyone migrate to openstack from cloudstack?19:27
zynzelaweiss: you must start nova-consoleauth19:27
zynzelaweiss: check if you have 'nova-consoleauth' command.19:27
aweissi don't19:27
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Phibshow many cloud controller nodes do I need per X compute nodes ?19:29
Phibsis there a recco sizing?19:29
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shraddhafor nova-volume, is it absolutely necessary to have a separate partition?19:31
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vitihoHi, What's the right way to reconfigure network mode on the openstack? I'm trying to change the config file but it seems that it still gets the networking info from database (i'm using pgsql)19:33
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vitihoI've changed the networking from vlan to this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/5685/19:34
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vitihobut I still get in the logs when i start nova-network Exit code: 319:35
vitihoStdout: ''19:35
vitihoStderr: 'ERROR: trying to add VLAN #100 to IF -:br100:-  error: No such device\n'19:35
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Phibswhen is this channel usually the most active?19:39
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zynzelPhibs: and for what you want many cloud controller? ;)19:40
Phibszynzel: I'll have a good 200 physical hypvervisors19:40
Phibsto start19:40
Phibswondering how many cloud controllers i'll need19:40
ppradhanvitiho: i had that issue once and I manually delete from the database19:40
zynzelPhibs: cloud controler is only message bus19:40
Phibsah ok19:41
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Phibsis here a good howto on using VLANs on each hypervisor for different networks ?19:41
Phibsor just the usual docs?19:41
zynzel(in old nova relese, cloud controller was also nating traffic)19:41
zynzelbut now, you can start nova-network on every compute-node19:41
PhibsI have hardware load balancers doing my NAT, is that possible19:41
zynzelno realy imho19:42
Phibsall the networks are routable and we use source nat19:42
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Phibsdon't see why it wouldn't work19:42
zynzelnat in nova-network map floating ips to fixed ip19:42
Phibsugh19:42
Phibsdo not want19:42
zynzelprobably (i dont know, i dont test setup like that) you can use fixed ips from public class19:43
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Phibsnod19:43
zynzelbut this isnt good idea imho.19:43
Phibsthere has to be an optino to not use nat19:43
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zynzelas i say, you probably can use fixed ips without nat.19:45
zynzelbut then user cant change ip assigned to instance.19:46
Phibsnod19:46
Phibsit is for a private cloud internally19:46
Phibsmostly used by operatinos, not customers19:46
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zynzelPhibs: if you dont want to use nat, you cant use floating ip, this mean that if instance is running19:49
PhibsI'm ok with dhcp assigning an IP with a long lease19:50
Phibsand updating DNS appropriately at boot19:50
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zynzelyou cant change ips of instance.19:50
Phibsyeah thats fine19:50
Phibsif they just stay allocated until it is destroyed i'm fine w/ that19:50
Phibsthat is desirable actually19:50
zynzelerm.19:51
zynzeli think im wrong ;) you should test setup like that.19:52
zynzeljust use fixed ips.19:52
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Phibshehehe19:53
Phibswhat allocates the IPs?19:53
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PhibsI will have 3 vlans each a /23 in each rack19:54
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technologovCONGRATS for M4 release !19:56
Phibs:)19:57
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944293 in horizon "Entering a keypair with a space in the name displays no message to the user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94429320:05
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nsnidankoHi, I am interested in usergroups, workshops for Openstack in Canada. Can someone share info where I can find them?20:26
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dprinceclear20:29
* dprince irc is *my* terminal?20:29
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avoinensnidanko: I'm in Montreal and I would be interessed to find/start one too20:37
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nsnidankoavoine: Nice, I'm in Toronto. I was looking for a while. I deployed openstack in my home lab but due to luck of hardware I was unable to test it properly20:40
NacefHi there, trying to upload image with uec-publish-tarball but what does this "bucket" param mean, I cannot see any bucket definition on my dashboard ?20:41
deshantmnsnidanko, avoine: I'm in upstate NY and met someone on IRC before that is from Montreal area too20:41
gmiNacef: I think it's just a way of grouping similar types of baselines20:42
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Nacefgmi: Do I have to define a bucket prior to this command ?20:42
gminope20:43
gminsnidanko: there is a Canada group on Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/groups/OpenStack-Canada-415146020:43
avoinegreat!20:43
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Nacefok gmi thanks20:44
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nsnidankogmi: thanks!  just joined. I was in similiar group on meetup but it had 0 activity20:45
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gmiI'm in Canada too but I have to go now20:51
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944323 in openstack-ci "job horizon-tarball broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94432320:58
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944363 in quantum "quantum/vcsversion.py in both quantum and python-quantumclient" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94436321:41
uvirtbot`New bug: #944372 in keystone "docs/middleware_architecture out of sync with auth_token" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94437221:46
uvirtbot`New bug: #944373 in devstack "devstack should use nova-rootwrap instead of sudoers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94437321:46
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944381 in nova "fix header underlines in auto-generated doc files" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94438121:55
uvirtbot`New bug: #944383 in nova "There is no way to recover/cleanup  a volume in an "attaching" state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94438321:56
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944385 in nova "fix formatting errors in static rst files" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94438522:01
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swillnotmyname: is the file https://github.com/notmyname/slogging/blob/master/etc/access-log-delivery.conf-sample being used?  or has that been replaced by the 'log-processor-access' section of the https://github.com/notmyname/slogging/blob/master/etc/log-processor.conf-sample config file?22:35
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uvirtbot`New bug: #944410 in tempest "Tempest depends on glance being installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94441022:56
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whenryrussellb, developer day huh?23:05
whenrymaybe23:05
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tsobralannegentle,23:51
tsobralannegentle, hi23:51
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technologovanne might be sleeping now...23:55
Hoannegood night!23:56
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