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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943687 in openstack-manuals "Openstack Compute Starter Guide - Diablo has Unclear Documentation " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943687 | 00:23 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #943690 in nova "kill_dhcp fails if dnsmasq is not running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943690 | 00:23 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943703 in openstack-manuals "[PATCH] Docs-install: Clarification regarding supported OS System Requirements" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943703 | 00:40 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943711 in quantum "pip-requires not in tarball generated by setup.py sdist" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943711 | 01:06 |
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technologov | plz help me solve bug #938365 | 01:37 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943722 in keystone "token auth needs unit tests" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943722 | 01:46 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943719 in openstack-manuals "[PATCH] Docs-install: Clarification regarding %tenant_id%" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943719 | 01:56 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #943720 in openstack-manuals "Docs-swift: Page 1 image is cut in PDF" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943720 | 01:58 |
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technologov | M4 = RC1 ? | 02:14 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943748 in glance "Glance is missing dep on python-dateutil ( 2012.1~e4~20120224.1290-0ubuntu1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943748 | 03:01 |
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johnwilton | Hiya, any chance of anyone being online to answer a question? | 03:22 |
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shraddha | hi | 03:51 |
shraddha | can someone explain the difference between a user and a tenant | 03:51 |
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annegentle | shraddha: here are definitions of each http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-identity/admin/content/Identity-Service-Concepts-e1362.html | 03:54 |
shraddha | annegentle: thanks | 03:55 |
annegentle | shraddha: np | 03:55 |
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shraddha | in multinode configuration, if we want to launch an instance on a particular node, how do we do that? | 03:59 |
heckj | shraddha: today there isn't a scheduler (the component of nova responsible for placing VMs) that allows you to do that. The schedulers are either "who is least used" or "random" | 04:05 |
heckj | shraddha: in case you didn't get it from the docs, a "tenant" is a rather overloaded term that just represents "ownership" of resources - VMs, volumes, containers in swift, etc. | 04:06 |
shraddha | heckj: ok.. thanks.. so that means, when the IPs available with one node all get exhausted, then 2nd node will come into picture | 04:06 |
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heckj | shraddha: it's irrespective of IP's available. It will likely randomly place (I think that's the default scheduler) | 04:06 |
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shraddha | heckj: Ok.. Thanks.. So theres no particular policy that scheduler follows.. | 04:11 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #943782 in quantum "ovs + nvp plugin missing some files in sdist tarball" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943782 | 04:11 |
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shraddha | heckj: I just tried to launch an instance | 04:15 |
shraddha | it got 2 IPs | 04:15 |
shraddha | one from one compute node and other from second compute node | 04:15 |
shraddha | ! | 04:15 |
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heckj | shraddha: way beyond my late-evening brains to debug for you, I'm sorry. It's likely related to your setup, and there's multiple paths to what you can have set up there. Head for the logs and see if that illuminates anything. In most of nova networking today, there isn't a "set of IPs for a compute node" - they're shared across all compute nodes | 04:24 |
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notmyname | heckj: actually, I think "tenant" equates to a swift account :-) | 04:37 |
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heckj | notmyname: you're quite correct | 04:37 |
* technologov has started docs Debianization project... | 04:40 | |
technologov | best wishes | 04:40 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #943792 in openstack-manuals "[PATCH] Docs: Debianizing The Manuals, v01" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943792 | 04:41 |
annegentle | technologov: lovely. I can't use .patch files submitted in Launchpad, can you go through the git/Gerrit process? http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritWorkflow and http://wiki.openstack.org/Documentation/HowTo. | 04:43 |
annegentle | technologov: I did ask if I could :) fwiw | 04:43 |
technologov | not today. | 04:43 |
annegentle | technologov: the patch looks like a great idea | 04:43 |
technologov | today technologov goes sleep. | 04:43 |
technologov | see ya | 04:43 |
annegentle | technologov: sleep is good :) | 04:43 |
technologov | and plz answer why impossible to auto-index | 04:43 |
technologov | PDF compiler does it | 04:44 |
technologov | so index numbers will be different for different target PDFs | 04:44 |
technologov | even if src code (XML) is shared | 04:44 |
annegentle | technologov: we do it for API guides. | 04:44 |
annegentle | technologov: not for Admin guides | 04:44 |
technologov | why not ? | 04:45 |
annegentle | technologov: because the Admin guides share content | 04:45 |
technologov | yes, I said about it | 04:45 |
technologov | the auto-index is only for target PDFs | 04:45 |
technologov | maybe it can be done | 04:45 |
annegentle | technologov: so 1.2.4 might not be 1.2.4 everywhere so it's not a consistent identifier, the HTML URL is instead | 04:45 |
technologov | so installing on Debian in PDF X = 1.1.1 | 04:45 |
annegentle | technologov: it can be done, we chose not to | 04:45 |
technologov | and installing on Debian in PDF Y = 2.3.4 | 04:45 |
annegentle | technologov: yes that's an example | 04:46 |
technologov | it will make my life a lot simpler for IRC use | 04:46 |
annegentle | technologov: for IRC use please refer to HTML URLs? | 04:46 |
technologov | really | 04:46 |
technologov | mmm.. possible, but having numbers is more natural | 04:47 |
technologov | I often forget where I last was | 04:47 |
annegentle | technologov: because downloading and looking up something in a PDF is more laborious than pulling up an HTML page | 04:47 |
technologov | having numbers makes life easier... I remember which page I stopped on | 04:47 |
annegentle | annegentle: I have no knowledge of page numbers. PDFs are like cement. Too frozen solid :) | 04:48 |
technologov | Debian-Stable is Frozen Solid also :) So philosophies match :) | 04:48 |
annegentle | technologov: hee hee. | 04:48 |
* technologov is working towards delivering quality Debian 7.0 release, with OpenStack. | 04:49 | |
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technologov | annegentle, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Debian | 04:50 |
technologov | have fun :) | 04:50 |
annegentle | technologov: LOL at the min. system requirements. | 04:51 |
annegentle | technologov: pretty sure I have a Game Boy screen laying around. | 04:51 |
technologov | look.. auto-indexing will not have bad effects | 04:53 |
technologov | because they are in different books / PDF | 04:53 |
technologov | it is like confusing Chehov and Pushkin books | 04:53 |
technologov | both have indeces, but no one confuses between the two | 04:54 |
technologov | even assuming that some parts are shared.. it does not matter. | 04:54 |
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shraddha | I have 2 nova-compute nodes in my setup | 05:03 |
shraddha | I launched an instance | 05:04 |
shraddha | but it got 2 IPs assigned. one from first node's fixed IP range and another from second node's IP | 05:05 |
shraddha | and I cant ssh into any IP | 05:05 |
shraddha | I am using flat-dhcp on both the nodes | 05:05 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943802 in openstack-manuals "In Essex, there are fewer "flags" and many config options" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943802 | 05:26 |
shraddha | can anybody help me with IP assignment in multinode configuration? | 05:27 |
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flamboz | shraddha, did you euca-authorize TCP 22 ? | 05:57 |
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shraddha | iflamboz: i have enabled ssh ports using security groups on dashboard | 05:59 |
shraddha | flamboz: i have enabled ssh ports using security groups on dashboard | 05:59 |
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shraddha | flamboz: my basic doubt is, why does it assign 2 IPs | 06:01 |
shraddha | ? | 06:01 |
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flamboz | one ip private (should be used between instances) and the other one is public | 06:02 |
flamboz | that you should use to ssh into it | 06:02 |
flamboz | can you describe your installation ? | 06:02 |
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shraddha | both fixed Ip ranges are private | 06:03 |
shraddha | IPs are from 2 different compute nodes | 06:03 |
shraddha | I have separate network services for separate compte nodes | 06:03 |
flamboz | did you follow this http://docs.openstack.org/diablo/openstack-compute/starter/content/ ? | 06:04 |
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shraddha | in my case | 06:06 |
shraddha | I have to use separate networking services | 06:07 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943810 in quantum "update outdated OVS readme to point to website" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943810 | 06:26 |
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Ap4ch3 | This is offer is not production-ready yet, but it is getting much closer. Much of the work that needs to get done is specific to Rackspace.s service provider scale :: http://www.openstack.org/blog/2012/02/another-step-forward-for-openstack-in-production/ | 08:40 |
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shaharh | hi, I got a few question regarding file-inject | 08:56 |
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sejo | oeathudeuoas | 09:02 |
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barotashish | Can anyone tell me what is the minimum hardware requirement for deploying openstack? | 09:18 |
barotashish | What kind of min CPU is required? [ 2 core, 4 core...] How much memory is required ? [ 4GB ] Which are already supported Hardware for OpenStack? [ Any Dell, HP box ] Is there any Hardware Compatibility list for OpenStack? | 09:18 |
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barotashish | any idea on Hardware requirement? | 09:23 |
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LarsErikP | trying to build a machine through dashboard.... it gets stuck on "build" which log to look in? | 09:37 |
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the1_ | hello, i successfully configured a basic openstack environment (1 node) what openstack component do I need to setup for me to be able to use something like EBS storage in AWS? | 09:42 |
the1_ | im looking at setting ip EBS for storage that can be mounted to an instance and EBS-based instances | 09:43 |
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uksysadmin | LarsErikP, /var/log/nova-compute.log | 09:45 |
uksysadmin | (sorry /var/log/nova/nova-compute.log) and others - could be couple of reasons. Check network too. And api. | 09:45 |
uksysadmin | the1_ you want nova-volume | 09:46 |
the1_ | ohhhh thanks a lot, got confused about swift, glance, etc. | 09:47 |
uksysadmin | np | 09:49 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #943875 in nova "libvirt inject password and rootwrap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943875 | 09:56 |
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LarsErikP | uksysadmin: compute-logs says nothing.. just alot of lines with INFO nova.compute.manager [-] Found 1 in the database and 0 on the hypervisor. | 10:00 |
uksysadmin | sometimes, it can take a while to spin up as it drags the image to your image node and dds to the new image | 10:00 |
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LarsErikP | hmm | 10:01 |
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LarsErikP | "a while" 2 hours or like 15 minutes=? | 10:01 |
uksysadmin | if its a particularly large image, depending on hardware (and health or hardware) can take longer than expected | 10:02 |
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uksysadmin | equally, I doubt if its a dashboard issue - have you tried spinning up instances without this and tailing all logs (tail -f /var/log/nova/nova-*.log) | 10:02 |
uksysadmin | while is minutes | 10:02 |
LarsErikP | no... i can try.. But i don't have euca2ools up an running.. | 10:03 |
the1_ | im using a test OS image from the installation guide, is there something i need to do inside the instance after i attach the EBS volume? coz i dont see the new volume from inside | 10:04 |
uksysadmin | grep for ERR in the logs | 10:06 |
uksysadmin | check that you can run instances - maybe kvm issue | 10:06 |
uksysadmin | (kvm-ok) | 10:06 |
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uksysadmin | providing you have followed all the steps and assuming nova-volume has set up correctly (and you can query the volumes available that you've created) then the only thing I recall the instance requires to attach ebs volumes to that people miss is the acpiphp module needing to be loaded | 10:08 |
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the1_ | i just loaded acpiphp inside the instance but still no volumes :( | 10:10 |
the1_ | euca-describe-volumes says its "in-use" | 10:11 |
the1_ | it can't be mounted to the wrong instance, since i only have 1 instance running | 10:12 |
uksysadmin | fdisk -l /dev/vdb in the instance? | 10:13 |
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the1_ | /dev/vdc in the instance | 10:13 |
uksysadmin | or that - does it show? | 10:13 |
uksysadmin | you then mkfs it and mount it | 10:14 |
the1_ | no such file or directory | 10:14 |
the1_ | im thinking must be something about software inside the sample image? | 10:14 |
the1_ | like creating /dev/ entries manually | 10:15 |
uksysadmin | what is the instance? | 10:15 |
the1_ | its from the installation guide ttylinux-euc image, very basic | 10:15 |
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uksysadmin | ah - not sure of ttylinux - its a little too basic | 10:17 |
the1_ | dmesg shows something about hotplug | 10:17 |
uksysadmin | try the ubuntu cloud images instead | 10:17 |
uksysadmin | ok, could work then - that's the thing that sees the new disk being attached (like plugging in a USB stick) | 10:18 |
the1_ | is it openstack ready? | 10:18 |
the1_ | ready to be published? | 10:18 |
uksysadmin | what is>? | 10:18 |
the1_ | ubuntu cloud images | 10:18 |
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prectechDev | Hello all, | 10:21 |
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uksysadmin | yes - Canonical back OpenStack as part of their latest releases - definitely the best images to put into OpenStack | 10:22 |
uksysadmin | (you can even use the cloud images published by Eucalyptus too) | 10:22 |
prectechDev | Does anyone know how to fix the problem where the instance can't download meta data from http://169.254.169.245/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id? | 10:22 |
the1_ | great. will try it | 10:23 |
the1_ | by default, openstack uses kernel and initrd from host system right? | 10:23 |
uksysadmin | prectechDev, this is usually handled by an iptables PREROUTING rule on the network host to get it to point to the API server | 10:23 |
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prectechDev | I am using VLANManager and my instance gets an IP address but it's always responses with "no route to host" when it try connect to 169.254.169.154 | 10:24 |
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prectechDev | *169.254.169.254 | 10:24 |
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uksysadmin | sounds like your initial networking set up my be screwy | 10:25 |
the1_ | hmmm my default install yields correct intance id from the above command | 10:25 |
prectechDev | uksysadmin, I have added the PREROUTE rule on both the compute node and the controll node but it still doesn't work | 10:25 |
uksysadmin | eth0 on your instance will be connected to your --vlan_interface | 10:26 |
uksysadmin | what version of openstack and distro? | 10:26 |
uksysadmin | and instance? | 10:26 |
prectechDev | I can also ping it from either node but when I try to wget the url, it comes back with "no route to host" | 10:27 |
uksysadmin | I think that ping isn't leaving your instance - given its a zerconf address, you could be pinging the local machine | 10:28 |
prectechDev | I am running the diablo build from griddynamics rpm on centos 6.2 | 10:28 |
uksysadmin | ah and ah... not used that set up | 10:28 |
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prectechDev | :-(. | 10:30 |
uksysadmin | check --ec2_dmz_host address, your PREROUTE rule should point the 169.254.169.254 address to that | 10:30 |
uksysadmin | also check forwarding is on on your hosts | 10:31 |
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uksysadmin | prectechDev, if you've the resource/time, a pretty much nearly all there setup can be had by following the instructions @ https://github.com/managedit/openstack-setup | 10:32 |
uksysadmin | it is based on Ubuntu | 10:32 |
uksysadmin | (which I recommend [and this is coming from an RHCE and a RH based house implementing OpenStack on Ubuntu) | 10:33 |
prectechDev | I might need to change, there seems o be very few people running openstack on redhat | 10:33 |
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uksysadmin | presonally I don't see the point. My view - most of OpenStack is developed on Ubuntu first plus you're already introducing something new into your environment - if it was a commercial product that hid the Operating System (e.g. VMware) you wouldn't think twice. | 10:34 |
koolhead17 | uksysadmin: hi there | 10:35 |
uksysadmin | hello koolhead17 - how are you? | 10:35 |
prectechDev | what is "multi-node networking" about? | 10:35 |
koolhead17 | am good. wassup with you? | 10:35 |
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uksysadmin | yeah good - been doing an internal OpenStack workshop last couple of days in readiness for datacenter work | 10:37 |
koolhead17 | uksysadmin: sounds great!! :) | 10:38 |
uksysadmin | prectechDev: what context? it sounds like the choice you get with networking: route everything through a single nova-network host or on each compute host, run nova-network too and each of them get their own route out | 10:38 |
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LarsErikP | uksysadmin: nova image-list says Invaild OpenStack Nova crendentials... | 10:42 |
LarsErikP | uksysadmin: euca-describe-images says Warning: failed to parse error message from AWS: <unknown>:1:0: syntax error | 10:42 |
LarsErikP | everything is set up with Kialls script... | 10:43 |
the1_ | uksysadmin: i used the ubuntu euc image, i was able to upload my image through euc-publish-tarball and inside the instance was able to see the new drive | 10:43 |
the1_ | thanks a lot | 10:43 |
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oneiroi | hey guys my memory has failed me, just swapped glance to a mysql back end, what's the db sync command ? | 10:46 |
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oneiroi | git-manage db_sync | 10:55 |
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Kiall | oneiroi: git-manage? lol | 11:23 |
oneiroi | ... | 11:24 |
oneiroi | s/git/glance/ :P | 11:24 |
LarsErikP | Kiall: hi... i've run your script, and now I'm having a stack with three cimpute nodes and a controller. I'm not able to use "nova boot..." or any other "nova" commands.. it says it lacks som credentials | 11:24 |
Kiall | LarsErikP: right, I really should document that part ;) | 11:25 |
Kiall | There is a template in the repo called openrc.tmpl | 11:25 |
Kiall | create a copy of that, fill in the details at the top and source it before using the commands | 11:25 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #943923 in nova "Adding only one floating IP to the cloud" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943923 | 11:26 |
LarsErikP | haha! Okey, I'll try that. Thanks | 11:26 |
LarsErikP | Kiall: thanks. it worked :) | 11:27 |
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Kiall | no problem... | 11:30 |
epic | how do i edit the quotas in the devstack version of horizon(dashboard) ? | 11:30 |
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Kiall | epic: the quotas are not actually in horizon - they are just displayed in horizon.. | 11:31 |
Kiall | You can set default quotas in the nova.conf file | 11:31 |
Kiall | and per-tenant ones with nova-manage, or by directly editing the DB | 11:31 |
epic | i understand | 11:32 |
epic | but in diablo, you could modify the quotas in the dashboard :) | 11:32 |
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Kiall | epic: Oh - look at that, you can.. | 11:34 |
Kiall | Never noticed that before ;) | 11:34 |
phschwartz | morning | 11:34 |
Kiall | (I'm using diablo) | 11:34 |
epic | ok | 11:34 |
epic | in devstack that possibility seems removed | 11:34 |
Kiall | Yea.. The essex dashboard has had lots of changes, it might have been removed and not put back.. ;) | 11:35 |
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phschwartz | kiall: if you have some time this morning let me know. Yesterday was alot of help, but still stuck unfortunately. | 11:36 |
Kiall | phschwartz: I know its unlikely.. but, have you rebooted everything? ;) | 11:37 |
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phschwartz | Not in a few days on this system. But I don't think that would be the cause. I can try though if you think I should | 11:37 |
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Kiall | From what I remember, you tracked it down to where nova calls into iptables.. Kinda sounds like it something outside of nova thats the issue! | 11:38 |
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phschwartz | in init_host it gets to the last line that is iptables_manager.apply(), but all tracing I added to that function, nothing is outputted. Sort of like it failed to even call into the function. | 11:39 |
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Kiall | phschwartz: can you link to where it gets stalled on github? | 11:40 |
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zykes | grrrr, i soo wanna work on openstack ( | 11:41 |
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phschwartz | kiall: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/diablo/nova/network/linux_net.py#L401 | 11:42 |
phschwartz | The last trace I put in, is right before that, and none of the ones I added to this function (https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/diablo/nova/network/linux_net.py#L292) print out. | 11:43 |
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Kiall | phschwartz: so an log right between L299 and L300 never gets called? | 11:45 |
Kiall | a* | 11:45 |
phschwartz | correct | 11:45 |
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Kiall | K - That method has a decorator (the @utils.synchronized) | 11:45 |
Kiall | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/diablo/nova/utils.py#L635 | 11:46 |
Kiall | So it somewhat indirectly goes in there before running apply | 11:46 |
Kiall | That looks about right actually | 11:46 |
Kiall | If it fails to obtain a lock, things will appear to hang | 11:47 |
phschwartz | That is bad. If it fails to get a sem, it should throw | 11:47 |
Kiall | can you `ls /var/lock/nova` | 11:48 |
phschwartz | hmm, I don't remember seeing the log lines from there. | 11:49 |
phschwartz | One sec. The box is rebooting. It is a backplaned supermicro. Takes a while to get through the bios load. | 11:49 |
Kiall | Cant take longer than a dell ;) | 11:49 |
Kiall | brb | 11:49 |
phschwartz | Actually. | 11:50 |
phschwartz | The reboot seems to have corrected something. | 11:50 |
phschwartz | Network registered when it just fully loaded. | 11:50 |
phschwartz | hmm, might still have an issue. immediate error on instance launch | 11:51 |
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epic | i have added a floating ip range, and associated one of the ips with a running instance. the ip is now bound to the br100 interface, not set up in the instance, and ping returns: "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" even if I configure the ip in the instance, at no point was any rules with the floating network range added to iptables, any ideas? | 12:00 |
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phschwartz | kiall: ok. Working now. The issue with the iptables.apply failure was a failure to write a lock to /var/lock/nova | 12:02 |
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Kiall | any idea why it failed? | 12:09 |
phschwartz | no, not at all. | 12:09 |
phschwartz | I have a few other nodes to play with that have the same issue. | 12:09 |
phschwartz | let me log in to one. | 12:09 |
Kiall | Did the reboot clear out the file from /var/lock/nova? or was the file still there after a reboot? | 12:09 |
phschwartz | It was all cleared out along with most of the system. It is a netbooted box and I think there was a perm issue on /var/lock/nova owned by root. | 12:10 |
Kiall | Might be worth submitting a bug report, nova should probably fail gracefully there.. | 12:11 |
Kiall | Or at least thrown an exception ;) | 12:11 |
Kiall | also .. `apt-get install --reinstall python-nova` .. fixup all the files you changed ;) | 12:12 |
phschwartz | I will open a bug for it | 12:12 |
phschwartz | Already did :) | 12:12 |
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LarsErikP | Kiall: INFO nova.compute.manager [-] Found 2 in the database and 0 on the hypervisor. | 12:15 |
LarsErikP | Kiall: what is this compute-node actually doing? :p | 12:16 |
Kiall | LarsErikP: so 2 instances are not actually running for some reason... | 12:16 |
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LarsErikP | Kiall: INFO nova.compute.manager [-] Found 2 in the database and 0 on the hypervisor. | 12:20 |
Kiall | LarsErikP: so 2 instances are not actually running for some reason... | 12:20 |
LarsErikP | sorry, wrong paste | 12:20 |
Kiall | ah ;) | 12:20 |
LarsErikP | failed to paste from cssh :p | 12:20 |
LarsErikP | the nova-compute.log says "libvir: QEMU error: Domain nor found: no domain with matching name 'instance-0000004' | 12:21 |
Kiall | So the domain (VM/instance) was not configured on libvirt correctly... there should be an error somewhere else detailing why | 12:22 |
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Kiall | anyway - gotta run... cyas later | 12:22 |
LarsErikP | Kiall: okey, thansk | 12:22 |
zykes | Hakon|mbp: her ? | 12:24 |
Hakon|mbp | yup | 12:24 |
zykes | started using openstack yet ? | 12:24 |
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Hakon|mbp | just tried it, played with it | 12:24 |
zykes | : o | 12:24 |
Hakon|mbp | i have had no use for it yet | 12:24 |
Hakon|mbp | how about you? any deployments? | 12:26 |
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LarsErikP | is it necessary to configure libvirt in any way? :p | 12:47 |
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technologov | in nova u need to specify libvirt backend | 12:48 |
technologov | (uml, qemu, kvm, lxc, ...) | 12:49 |
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technologov | (maybe more... but this is what I'm aware of) | 12:49 |
technologov | (in /etc/nova/nova.conf) | 12:49 |
Guest59181 | hi | 12:51 |
LarsErikP | that one I know of.. But do I have to configure anything in /etc/libvirt | 12:51 |
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LarsErikP | 'cause, when i try to spawn an instance, i''m now stuck with the qemu error above | 12:59 |
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LarsErikP | wq | 13:06 |
LarsErikP | wrooong shell | 13:06 |
LarsErikP | forgot a : whatsoever :p | 13:06 |
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mancdaz | ops tools do you guys use to manage the swift infrastructure - adding nodes/rebuilding rings and stuff like that? | 13:23 |
mancdaz | \ | 13:23 |
mancdaz | sorry that was meant for ahale | 13:24 |
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mancdaz | actually that was meant for a different channel - apologies | 13:25 |
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LarsErikP | maybe i'm tired.. but.. on mye compute-nodes... Do I need any other nova-packages than compute? | 13:35 |
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mancdaz | LarsErikP: if you're going to be using HA networking, you'll need nova-network too | 13:36 |
LarsErikP | HA? using VLAN-manager | 13:36 |
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mancdaz | I mean when you created your network with nova-manage, you have the option of adding the multi_host=True flag | 13:37 |
mancdaz | this assumes that each node will have nova-network running, making each compute host effectively it's own failure domain | 13:37 |
LarsErikP | aha.. yeah, i'm running with multi-host in nova.conf | 13:37 |
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mancdaz | ok | 13:37 |
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LarsErikP | so, then i need network on every compute-node | 13:38 |
LarsErikP | ? | 13:38 |
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mancdaz | yes | 13:38 |
LarsErikP | aha. tnx | 13:38 |
mancdaz | and if you find your instances then failing to connect to the api service for the metadata (cloud-init) when they spin up, just fire up nova-api on each node too | 13:39 |
mancdaz | it's a bit of a lazy workaround to making the iptables rules work properly | 13:39 |
LarsErikP | oki. the i'll just kopy the api.pase from controller? | 13:40 |
LarsErikP | paste* | 13:41 |
mancdaz | yup | 13:42 |
LarsErikP | uhm.. no all the nodes (compute and controller) has the same ip for br100.... | 13:43 |
LarsErikP | *now | 13:43 |
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LarsErikP | still got this.. libvir: QEMU error : Domain not found: no domain with matching name 'instance-00000008' | 13:46 |
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mancdaz | LarsErikP: in flatdhcp, normally each br100 would take a different ip for each node | 13:48 |
LarsErikP | as I said, i'm using VLANmanager | 13:48 |
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abbopenstack | can anyone guide on how swift works actually? | 13:56 |
notmyname | abbopenstack: that's a pretty general questions :-) | 13:57 |
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technologov | Do you happen to know, if I can vote ? (I Have submitted half-a-dozen docs patches) | 14:20 |
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Kiall | technologov: you would have got an email with links to vote if you could.. BUT | 14:27 |
Kiall | The openstack-manuals repo doesnt have an AUTHORS file, which is what they use to decide who gets to vote AFAIK | 14:27 |
Kiall | So, Maybe you can just ask stefano directly? | 14:27 |
technologov | I will ask on the mailing-list | 14:28 |
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technologov | (I don't know stefano) | 14:28 |
Kiall | pretty sure stefano is the one looking after the votes, he has mailed the list about them a few times | 14:29 |
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notmyname | also for the PPB elections, there was a requirement to register to vote | 14:30 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944022 in nova "Creating server with the pasword which is not meeting complexity requirements is not raising bad request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944022 | 14:30 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944023 in nova "GET servers with changes-since parameter is not working properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944023 | 14:35 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944027 in nova "Server showing ACTIVE(rebooting) status instead of REBOOT while rebooting server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944027 | 14:35 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944015 in nova "Reboot server twice without wait for the server to become active is failing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944015 | 14:38 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944028 in nova "Updating the server hostid to another name not raising Bad request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944028 | 14:41 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944024 in openstack-org "broken links on the projects page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944024 | 14:43 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944034 in nova "Updating the server with invalid name is not raising Bad request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944034 | 14:46 |
mancdaz | technologov: I believe you are too late to register to vote | 14:47 |
technologov | ok, maybe next year then | 14:49 |
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technologov | (I don't know most O-S people anyway, except few...) | 14:49 |
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technologov | just I'm curious | 14:50 |
technologov | what it takes to become eligible | 14:50 |
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mancdaz | there were link for registration sent on the mailing list | 14:52 |
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mancdaz | anyone could register I believe | 14:52 |
mancdaz | but there was a cut off date | 14:52 |
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technologov | uhu, ok | 14:53 |
technologov | also the "anyone" is a bit of extreme | 14:53 |
technologov | I mean, for example in the Debian project only registered Debian Developers can vote | 14:54 |
technologov | (they must contribute to Debian in a significant way, before they can apply to become a DD) | 14:55 |
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mancdaz | ah maybe you needed to be a member of one of the projects on launchpad or something, I don't fully recall | 14:58 |
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mancdaz | I just mean you definitely didn't need to be a contributor | 14:58 |
Kiall | mancdaz: I actually believe you do need to be a contributor | 15:00 |
chmouel | yeah you needed to be a openstack contributor | 15:00 |
Kiall | I believe the rules were basically A) Be listed in the AUTHORS file for one of the projects (ie be a contributor) | 15:00 |
Kiall | and B) if you want to vote in the PPB elections (there are 2 votes happening at once), then you must satisfy A and register | 15:00 |
Kiall | The only reason I'm in doubt about technologov's eligibility is that the openstack-manuals repo does not have an AUTHORS file like all the others | 15:02 |
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technologov | then I will ask to fix it... open new wish :) | 15:02 |
Kiall | ;) | 15:02 |
Kiall | Also - Have you had patches accepted? I noticed your email asking how to submit patches earlier today? | 15:03 |
technologov | openstack-manuals is no less important than any other openstack pieces of the puzzle. | 15:03 |
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Kiall | technologov: probably more so ;) | 15:03 |
technologov | nope. Only sent. | 15:03 |
Kiall | Without good docs, you have nothing | 15:03 |
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technologov | should be " unlike all the others" | 15:05 |
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Kiall | technologov: https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg07553.html | 15:06 |
Kiall | search for "How to register to vote for PTL" (the formatting got messed up.. | 15:06 |
Kiall | that sentance should have been a title..) | 15:06 |
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Daviey | Kiall: equally, without code, you have no docs :) | 15:08 |
technologov | yea :) | 15:08 |
Daviey | Or pretty tame ones :) | 15:09 |
technologov | ...only "blueprints", at best :) | 15:09 |
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mancdaz | k my bad then | 15:13 |
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technologov | mancdaz, Kiall in the end -- you both are right | 15:21 |
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technologov | anne has made it clear to me | 15:21 |
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technologov | to vote PPB only "launchpad" registration is enough. | 15:22 |
annegentle | guys, I considered running for PPB since there is no PTL position for docs, but ttx has a proposal for a new technical committee on which QA, CI, and Docs could fit. So I think with time we'll have the correct check and balance system | 15:22 |
technologov | to vote PTL (project technical lead), for specific project, you must contribute. | 15:22 |
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technologov | "ttx = ?" | 15:23 |
ttx | me | 15:23 |
technologov | aha... I thought it is some technical acronym :) | 15:23 |
ttx | http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee | 15:23 |
annegentle | technologov: ttx is our Release Manager | 15:23 |
technologov | o ! nice :) | 15:24 |
annegentle | so far, behavior and action has been aligned correctly without governance, which is always a good thing | 15:24 |
annegentle | :) | 15:24 |
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koolhead17 | technologov: your funny!! :) | 15:24 |
livemoon | hi, does anyone use zone in Essex? | 15:25 |
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livemoon | hi, koolhead17 | 15:26 |
Kzim | hello, i try to understand openstack a little more. i see how the storage can have failover via iSCSI etc.. but how instance handle failover ? i mean if they don't have storage. any keyword to put in google will do :) thanks | 15:27 |
koolhead17 | livemoon: long time. how have you been? | 15:28 |
livemoon | travelled | 15:29 |
oneiroi | chmouel: *ping* can you set metadata on a swift container to serve an "index file" ? | 15:29 |
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technologov | usually, mgmt. layer will try to cold-start a new VM on second host, if the VM dies on first host (although I'm not sure how this works in OpenStack, but I know how it works in similar other products) | 15:29 |
chmouel | oneiroi: do you mean the staticweb ? | 15:29 |
chmouel | middleware? | 15:29 |
livemoon | koolhead17: now I am back to learn openstack | 15:29 |
technologov | Kzim, ^ | 15:29 |
chmouel | oneiroi: ie: http://swift.openstack.org/misc.html#module-swift.common.middleware.staticweb | 15:29 |
oneiroi | unsure atm, looking at options for a completely static site to be served | 15:29 |
oneiroi | chmouel: thanks | 15:30 |
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Kzim | technologov: but if the server die that mean VM are stored twice or in a centralized storage ? | 15:31 |
technologov | Kzim, ofc. | 15:31 |
technologov | in OpenStack-swift | 15:31 |
technologov | (in other solutiuons, it would be NFS) | 15:31 |
oneiroi | *sulk* not implemented @ CloudFiles :-/ | 15:32 |
Kzim | but i haven't yet conf any volume storage, but i'll go read the swift doc knowing that thanks a lot ! | 15:32 |
uksysadmin | kzim, technologov you wouldn't store your running vms on swift - its not nfs | 15:32 |
uksysadmin | you can set up ha in your instances so you can live migrate stuff between hosts | 15:32 |
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uksysadmin | you can also set a flag in nova to restart instances on failure | 15:33 |
technologov | uksysadmin, live migrate won't work if host A blows up | 15:33 |
uksysadmin | personally, you'd design your instances so that you can accommodate failure | 15:33 |
uksysadmin | not expect that instance to have long life enough to worry about ha | 15:33 |
uksysadmin | technologov: absolutely, but its the closest concept... its not VMware's lock-step HA product | 15:34 |
technologov | uksysadmin, how will it restart ? (glance is local-only, right?) | 15:34 |
uksysadmin | prior to vSphere, the best that could happen was that the image would spin up on a new host from cold | 15:34 |
uksysadmin | glance is the image service | 15:34 |
uksysadmin | your compute nodes communicate with it | 15:34 |
technologov | uksysadmin, this is the only way... cold-start a VM on new host | 15:35 |
Kzim | cold-start mean a new instance ? so you loose the preview instance conf ? | 15:35 |
uksysadmin | yes - design for failure in your instances, don't expect your instances to be permanently available and you're in the right ball park. hardware failures WILL happen. | 15:35 |
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technologov | but glance images are always local (on the compute node), or not ? | 15:35 |
uksysadmin | images get copied to some storage on your compute host | 15:35 |
uksysadmin | nothing stopping that being nfs | 15:36 |
uksysadmin | which so happens to be the same nfs area on your second host | 15:36 |
technologov | uksysadmin, "design for failure" may not work... assume I have an application that is not HA capable | 15:36 |
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technologov | can I add HA to it ? | 15:36 |
Kzim | uksysadmin: so for exemple to have HA you always need to conf a storage volume on the instance so that a fresh new image can mount it and get back to work ? | 15:37 |
technologov | usually cold-start a VM from same HDD state would be a good answer | 15:37 |
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uksysadmin | HA in its true sense assumes there is no loss to service | 15:37 |
uksysadmin | HA in a service is different to HA of an instance | 15:38 |
Kzim | i'm not sure i understand if you instance blow up you can't keep any state :/ but again i'm not sure i understtand all | 15:38 |
Kzim | ho | 15:38 |
uksysadmin | Kzim, expect your instance to die and when it comes back up its a new machine | 15:38 |
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uksysadmin | you can recover instances though | 15:38 |
uksysadmin | if you're lucky | 15:39 |
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uksysadmin | (see nova client: nova recover) | 15:39 |
Kzim | yeah so if there were change on the dead instance they won't be here on the new ? so it can be hard to create an application that handle that no ? | 15:39 |
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uksysadmin | You need to put the technology in the right place and do a cloud strategy that fits with the service you require | 15:40 |
uksysadmin | you don't want to put OpenStack in if all you're doing is running an Exchange server that expects to be up 365 days a year. | 15:40 |
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uksysadmin | that's virtualization | 15:40 |
uksysadmin | there are good products for that kind of thing | 15:40 |
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Kzim | i see, juste to be sure. why the VM an't in a storage this way if a instance fail another can load the same exact VM ? | 15:40 |
uksysadmin | cloudy stuff - good use cases: stateless web servers | 15:41 |
uksysadmin | throwaway intermediary compute instances like hadoop | 15:41 |
technologov | uksysadmin, Well, I expect OpenStack to *replace* VMware vSphere in the future... | 15:41 |
technologov | just need to figure out how-to improve it | 15:42 |
uksysadmin | long lived stuff - sure you can do it... providing that as part of your recovery is to recreate your instance, not expect it to be the same machine | 15:42 |
technologov | to fill the gaps of missing functionality | 15:42 |
uksysadmin | in the short-to-medium term I see OpenStack complimentary to vSphere. There are different use cases (and functionality) | 15:42 |
Kzim | uksysadmin: you mean that session can't be keep in a web server cloud ? | 15:42 |
uksysadmin | no I mean that a web server has a purpose - to pass tcp packets from client to backend for processing and back out again | 15:43 |
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uksysadmin | you don't want to store your imap store on your instance as the storage is considered temporary | 15:43 |
uksysadmin | sure you can attach "EBS" to it via nova-volume | 15:44 |
uksysadmin | so its feasible | 15:44 |
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uksysadmin | would you? think you're missing the opportunity of cloud computing if you don't treat your machines as throw-away instances | 15:44 |
uksysadmin | if I can throw a machine away and my service survives it implies my recovery is quicker, it implies I an spin up machines with little intervention which then means I can scale autonomously | 15:45 |
uksysadmin | at no point would I expect my cloud instance to be "recovered" | 15:45 |
uksysadmin | at least this is the environment, use case and experience of my area | 15:46 |
uksysadmin | YMMV | 15:46 |
technologov | uksysadmin, maybe OpenStack could work as both Enterprise Virtualization product (i.e. keep instances) and in cloud form (throw instances) ? | 15:46 |
Kzim | understood, so it's the volume storage that must stay alive and keep all the data safe, the instance are just here to do the work and be in the middle | 15:47 |
uksysadmin | Kzim, yes, you're spinning up compute instances to perform a function on that data | 15:47 |
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uksysadmin | technologov, yes - there is nothing stopping you use OpenStack as a traditional virtualization product which implies long-lived instances as you control what that instance is | 15:48 |
uksysadmin | you can still snapshot them, so point in time recovery is possible | 15:48 |
uksysadmin | and recover might work for you | 15:48 |
uksysadmin | but the power of cloud comes from not expecting static environments | 15:49 |
technologov | what can be gained by not expecting static environments ? | 15:49 |
uksysadmin | scalability | 15:50 |
technologov | (only that starting many instances seems easier...) | 15:50 |
uksysadmin | not expecting the same IP | 15:50 |
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uksysadmin | not expecting the same hostname | 15:50 |
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Kzim | uksysadmin: there is one last thing i don't understand. when you create an instance with like 32core nova will deploy this instance on all the nova-compute for a total of 32 core ? and they all communicate via rabbitMQ ? | 15:51 |
uksysadmin | once you get over that thinking, you can scale services from 1 to 100 if need be - the principles behind attaching users to your instances becomes trivial | 15:51 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944091 in quantum "python-quantumclient needs LICENSE file" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944091 | 15:51 |
uksysadmin | recovery is quicker - you're recoving app1, app2, app3 and connecting these to a particular load balancer, say. you manage your service, not your instances | 15:51 |
uksysadmin | Kzim, to spin an instance up with 32 cores, your host must have 32 cores at least | 15:53 |
uksysadmin | it doesn't spread them out over different nodes - its not a grid | 15:53 |
uksysadmin | its a cluster of individual compute hosts | 15:53 |
_william_ | no today i'm in Rennes for the day, and tomorrow in Paris | 15:54 |
_william_ | oops | 15:54 |
_william_ | sorry :) | 15:54 |
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Kzim | uksysadmin: oh :/ host that offer 128core have huge machine :) | 15:55 |
uksysadmin | :) | 15:56 |
uksysadmin | just be aware that the bigger the instance, the more of your environment power disappears when that instance/host fails... but 32 cores could be applicable to some app | 15:56 |
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Kzim | uksysadmin: but that mean you can't really expand... i mean let's say i have a mysql that write in a DB that is in a voluem storage. i can take all the core from my host then if i want more there is a proxy that spread the work between the 2 mysql host ? | 15:57 |
Kzim | and i still have the probleme that i can't write in the same mysql DB from 2 host ? | 15:57 |
uksysadmin | you don't use nova-volume, you'd use nfs or such like | 15:58 |
technologov | HA topic: again, on a local compute-node, who holds the instances ? nova-volume on local hard disk ? | 15:58 |
uksysadmin | or you can use nova-volume and do db replication | 15:58 |
Kzim | uksysadmin: why ? :/ | 15:58 |
technologov | (or it can be nova-volume on NFS?) | 15:58 |
uksysadmin | think I'm misunderstanding what you want there | 15:58 |
uksysadmin | you would just load balance your mysql servers | 15:59 |
uksysadmin | have a number of them, have a client talking to the load balancer and set up Master/Master replication | 15:59 |
uksysadmin | how you do your storage is up to you | 15:59 |
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uksysadmin | they can both have their own nova-volumes attached | 15:59 |
Kzim | i hate master/master | 15:59 |
uksysadmin | this is outside of the topic of openstack - this is a "MySQL" clustering issue - its not specific to this | 16:00 |
Kzim | i don't understand the diffrence between nova-volume and NFS , nova-volume can't be attach on muttle instance ? | 16:00 |
Kzim | multiple | 16:00 |
uksysadmin | nova-volumes are like USB sticks | 16:00 |
uksysadmin | they are permanent storage that can only be used by one instance at a time | 16:00 |
Kzim | ah, that explain a lot | 16:01 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944096 in nova "glance plugin should try multiple servers on failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944096 | 16:01 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944097 in openstack-manuals "openstack-manuals needs LICENSE file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944097 | 16:01 |
uksysadmin | so you store the data you care about on them... for example, MySQL DB | 16:02 |
uksysadmin | when your mysql instance dies, spin a new one up, attach the nova-volume storing the db and away you go again | 16:02 |
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Kzim | i see, i see. but so i don't really understand what Rabbit MQ do in all of this if the application is per host | 16:04 |
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the1_ | uksysadmin: do u have any idea what i should check first, i suddenly lost internet connectivity inside instances. but dns request works. | 16:07 |
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uksysadmin | the1_, sounds like some forwarding isn't working. | 16:08 |
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uksysadmin | if you can do DNS, its talking to the local "nova-network"... but can your host itself get out to the internet? | 16:09 |
uksysadmin | rabbit mq is the message bus that handles the message passing between the openstack components | 16:09 |
the1_ | cant get out of the network, when i do traceroute packet only goes as far as nova-network believe (first hop) | 16:10 |
Kzim | uksysadmin: so nova-network dispatch users query on all the web server instance for exemple ? | 16:11 |
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uksysadmin | the1_, did you say you could originally? | 16:12 |
uksysadmin | Kzim, not exactly - nova-network handles the ip assignment and routing (along with compute) | 16:13 |
zykes- | anyone here from Mirantis ? | 16:13 |
technologov | essex-M4 and RC1 is the same ? | 16:13 |
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the1_ | yes, originally i could but switched from 10.10.x.x network to 192.168.20.x network | 16:14 |
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the1_ | when i ps dnsmasq it shows correct network (the new one) | 16:14 |
the1_ | and instance can get correct dhcp ip | 16:15 |
uksysadmin | sounds like your iptables rules have become messed up - it does some jiggery-pokery to route the instances from internal instances to the outside world via the nova-network gateway | 16:15 |
uksysadmin | if you've changed IP addresses, sounds like the rest of the environment doesn't know about it | 16:15 |
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Kzim | uksysadmin: so how openstack merge the compute power for a service ? | 16:16 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944105 in nova "500 error on 'nova host-update --status [enabled|disabled] when using xenapi aggregates'" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944105 | 16:16 |
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uksysadmin | Kzim, you can have multiple compute instances but you can't combine their compute power | 16:20 |
uksysadmin | for example, if you had 64 cores in 2 compute hosts, you can't create an instance of 128 cores | 16:20 |
uksysadmin | its not grid computing | 16:21 |
uksysadmin | but what you can have is a large number of instances that run on those compute hosts that are part of the same tenancy/network | 16:23 |
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Kiall | Anyone else occasionally find instances sit at the grub menu during boot? Using the stock ubuntu images... | 16:25 |
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uksysadmin | Kiall, no but I've seen message which hint that something hasn't quite been right - fscking instances suggesting something screwy happens when dding the disk around the place | 16:26 |
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Kiall | Whats worse is, I'm not convinced these instances should be running anymore ;) | 16:26 |
Kiall | And - they chew 100% of 1 core while sitting at the screen... | 16:27 |
uksysadmin | :S | 16:27 |
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uksysadmin | I'll blame your build of OpenStack ;-) | 16:27 |
Kiall | Lol - its stock ubuntu images :P | 16:27 |
uksysadmin | :) | 16:28 |
Kzim | uksysadmin: i understand but i have to setup a load balancer to make them work together ? this part isn't handle by openstack ? | 16:28 |
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uksysadmin | openstack creates your instances - what you do with them is up to you | 16:30 |
uksysadmin | they're still "machines" that have an IP address that run an operating system | 16:31 |
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Kzim | uksysadmin: i think i 've seen openstack like a magic solution that do all i want :) i have to chill :) | 16:32 |
uksysadmin | Kzim, it is a magic solution. It won't make you a beer though without a little intervention ;-) | 16:32 |
technologov | Kzim, you should see the community, and the project direction as a magic solution, really :) | 16:33 |
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technologov | with 100+ developers, the functionality gaps can be closed with time | 16:33 |
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Kzim | even if i don't have my beer (next milestone ?) i still see openstack as a great solution and look forward to use it | 16:34 |
Kzim | uksysadmin, technologov you helped me A LOT to understand many things thanks for your time and patience :) | 16:35 |
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technologov | only uksys, me not... I'm still studying O-S :) | 16:36 |
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uksysadmin | np - think we're all still studying! | 16:37 |
Kzim | :) | 16:37 |
technologov | so assuming I want HA, I need to point nova-volume on NFS share ? | 16:38 |
technologov | ...so that host 2 can cold-start the same instance VM ? | 16:38 |
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uksysadmin | you want to protect your nova-volume because that's the equivalent of your HDD/USB stick | 16:40 |
uksysadmin | if you lost your disk, what would happen to the data | 16:40 |
uksysadmin | but it doesn't need to be on NFS if you have some other backup strategy | 16:41 |
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uksysadmin | it is on an LVM volume afterall, so can do snapshotting | 16:41 |
technologov | uksysadmin, snapshotting will not help if host 1 blows up | 16:42 |
uksysadmin | NFS isn't a requirement for two machines to use this (though remember they can't use the same volume at the same time) | 16:42 |
technologov | there must be real HA | 16:42 |
technologov | (at least planned...) | 16:42 |
uksysadmin | no - but neither would any solution at present with OpenStack | 16:42 |
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santyr | That's why I'm lurking here: HA | 16:42 |
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uksysadmin | you have to accept cold start of a new instance that potentially has a different IP and hostname (technically you can account for this though) | 16:42 |
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uksysadmin | I've only had experience of what vSphere supports in HA of instances - their FT product | 16:43 |
Kiall | technologov: NFS share is probably not the best option... | 16:44 |
uksysadmin | where they keep two VMs in very close lock-step | 16:44 |
Kiall | technologov: nova-volume supports HA via use of the SAN driver, rather than LVM driver | 16:44 |
uksysadmin | so if an underlying host blew up, it would continue on another host | 16:44 |
Kiall | Also .. You can HA LVM yourself with drdbd and friends... | 16:44 |
technologov | uksysadmin, I have experience with RHEV (Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization) -- it does "poor-man's" HA... i.e. cold starts a the same VM on another host, from shared NFS | 16:44 |
Kiall | technologov: right. "poor-man's" HA is doable with nova easily enough (this is separate to nova-volume) | 16:45 |
uksysadmin | yes, in a cloud world I expect that to be the case for some time - sure, there are 150+ companies wanting to put their stamp on OpenStack and I'm sure someone will come out with a product that does Fault Tolerance, but I'd plan my environment around failure | 16:45 |
Kiall | It does require some scripting etc.. But its doable | 16:45 |
uksysadmin | and expect cold starts | 16:45 |
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uksysadmin | nova-volume only comes into play with state stored on a disk that must be present when your blown up instance respawns | 16:46 |
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uksysadmin | we use AWS in this way - instance (or EC2) fails, new one spins up, attaches nova-volume if needed, starts instance, connects to load balancers if need be, etc. | 16:47 |
uksysadmin | predominantly automated | 16:47 |
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aweiss | hey guys, trying to run qemu instance in VirtualBox…getting error: (nova.rpc.common): TRACE: libvirtError: internal error no supported architecture for os type 'hvm'…i have set the appropriate flaps in nova.conf | 16:48 |
Kzim | uksysadmin: who do that ? openstack or a script you made ? | 16:48 |
uksysadmin | scripts | 16:48 |
uksysadmin | but technically through a SaaS provider that provides a management layer to EC2 - Rightscale | 16:48 |
uksysadmin | but easily doable in a few lines of bash and either euca2ools or nova commands | 16:49 |
Kzim | uksysadmin: nova detect the fail and execute a home-made script with arguments like imagetype etc ? | 16:49 |
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uksysadmin | aweiss, change the libvirt_type to be qemu | 16:50 |
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aweiss | that's what I've set —libvirt_type=qemu | 16:51 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944137 in swift "Segmented upload/download does not behave as expected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944137 | 16:51 |
Kiall | aweiss: watch out for an override in /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf... | 16:51 |
Kiall | that gets read after nova.conf, assuming you using any of the ubuntu packages | 16:51 |
aweiss | haha thanks kiall…sure enough thats where its not set as qemu | 16:51 |
Kiall | ;) | 16:51 |
aweiss | is the nova-compute.conf a new addition? | 16:52 |
aweiss | i'm using the trunk package dated feb 27 | 16:52 |
uksysadmin | +1 Kiall - yeah that crept in recently | 16:52 |
technologov | uksysadmin, Kiall for true HA+FT, our hypervisors must be patched ... AFAIK they do not support it... qemu/KVM/Xen/UML/LXC/OpenVZ/VirtualBox/... | 16:52 |
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aweiss | ok so here's another little issue…because the instance failed to launch in dashboard, it keeps trying to respawn and I'm unable to terminate it…is this a dashboard bug? | 16:53 |
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uksysadmin | technologov there are times when FT is required, there's the other 99.9% where its not necessary | 16:53 |
Kiall | well - nova-volume HA and FT is doable right now.. either drdbd or SAN.. and instance HA is doable with NFS+Scripting.. FT on the other hand would be harder do with without hypervisor support | 16:53 |
technologov | Bu even poor man's HA is *NOT* documented it seems | 16:53 |
uksysadmin | yes, there's so much that can be done if you tackle each individual service | 16:54 |
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Kiall | Right, and there are 500 different ways to do each.. Documenting 1 solution as "the way" seems wrong to me.. ;) | 16:54 |
technologov | FT is required only when running a server application, that lacks HA built-in (HP OpenView NNM, SNPMc, RHEV-M ...) | 16:54 |
technologov | well.. 500 is too much | 16:55 |
Kiall | get better apps ;) (just kidding.. no really, get better apps) | 16:55 |
technologov | but 1 or 2 common ways would be good idea | 16:55 |
* santyr nods | 16:55 | |
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technologov | but 1 or 2 common ways would be good idea to document | 16:55 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944115 in keystone "typo in manuals (configuration page) "SERVIVE"" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944115 | 16:56 |
Kiall | The most obvious HA for instances is A) /var/lib/nova/instances on NFS. B) Script to detect failed hosts, issue a SQL query, and reboot the instances on that host" | 16:56 |
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technologov | But are you aware of FT-capable OSS hypervisor ? me not. | 16:56 |
Kiall | where "detect failed hosts" should probably include some form of STONITH | 16:56 |
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technologov | (i.e. the OSS community lacks the necessary hypervisor at this time) | 16:57 |
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uksysadmin | which is fair enough - its only enterprises with kit where big fat instances are required to run in lock-step | 16:58 |
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uksysadmin | not the fluid landscape of cloud where instances are designed to be short-lived and do a job | 16:58 |
technologov | Kiall, you say get better apps... but is OpenStack itself HA capable ? Rabbit MQ, nova-api ? Are they HA-ready ? | 16:59 |
Kiall | Yes and yes | 16:59 |
uksysadmin | most of openstack are web services | 16:59 |
uksysadmin | they can tolerate just living behind a load balancer | 16:59 |
Kiall | RabbitMQ has master/master HA .. Nova can run multiple instances.. MySQL has well known HA options | 16:59 |
uksysadmin | multiple hosts doing the same, sharing the load | 16:59 |
technologov | uksysadmin, this is only currently (due to rackspace influence).. in future O-S will be pushed into the Enterprise Virtualization sector, so game-rules will change | 17:00 |
armaan | hi folks, i am facing this problem, when i give the command euca-describe-availability-zones verbose, i got an error:500 server has either erred or is incapable of performing the request | 17:00 |
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technologov | and is load-balancer HA ready ? | 17:00 |
technologov | ^^ | 17:00 |
uvirtbot` | technologov: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 17:00 |
uksysadmin | technologov, yes - whichever way you look at that | 17:01 |
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oneiroi | Kiall: + RabbitMQ has clustering iirc | 17:01 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944145 in nova "race condition when putting host in maintenance causes VM's state to be SHUTOFF" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944145 | 17:01 |
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uksysadmin | right - home time. great discussions. | 17:01 |
Kiall | technologov: a HTTP load balancer is probably the simplest thing on earth to HA ;) | 17:01 |
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dweimer | Kiall: That's good to know about rabbitmq support. Do the nova rabbitmq clients understand the consumer cancelation notifications and fail over automatically? | 17:01 |
technologov | thank you :) | 17:02 |
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Kiall | dweimer: Off the top of my head, I'm not sure. Its HA support is new and I've not looked at the specifics of how it works | 17:02 |
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armaan | hi folks, i am facing this problem, when i give the command euca-describe-availability-zones verbose, i got an error:500 server has either erred or is incapable of performing the request. | 17:06 |
dweimer | Thanks. I suppose you could load balance in front of mirrored queues if the clients don't support the failover nofications. | 17:06 |
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dhellmann | I'm getting a bunch of errors building the nova documentation in my vm after installing with devstack. The first is that there is no ldap module. Which ldap package is it expecting to have installed? | 17:19 |
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annegentle | dhellmann: the Sphinx documentation build needs ldap? Interesting. I haven't built it for a while but usually needed the venv installed (not sure if devstack now gives you what you need). | 17:21 |
dhellmann | yeah, annegentle, sphinx is importing code to get docstrings to build api documentation, I guess | 17:22 |
dhellmann | can you point me to the instructions for setting up the venv? | 17:22 |
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annegentle | dhellmann: super old, not sure if they work, sorry for all the disclaimers - http://wiki.openstack.org/PythonDevelopmentEnvironment | 17:25 |
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dhellmann | thanks, annegentle, I'll see if I can get it working that way | 17:26 |
annegentle | dhellmann: also see http://nova.openstack.org/devref/development.environment.html - I don't honestly know which is more updated | 17:26 |
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aabes | hmm..here's another dev env setup doc... http://wiki.openstack.org/PythonDevelopmentEnvironment | 17:28 |
aabes | ah.. sorry.. was just 2 lines above | 17:29 |
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dhellmann | I'm running tools/install_venv.py now, but it doesn't look like it is going to install an ldap module (at least I don't see it in the requirements file) :-/ | 17:30 |
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koolhead17 | dhellmann: you mean its not inside tools/pip-requires file ? | 17:40 |
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dhellmann | that's right koolhead17, I don't see anything like ldap in the file | 17:43 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944116 in nova "diablo: race condition between server delete and image-create" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944116 | 17:43 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944168 in nova "VIFs unplugged twice during VM restart?" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944168 | 17:50 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944169 in devstack "Move service config files to /etc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944169 | 17:52 |
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abbopenstack | Hi All, I am new to openstack, can anyone guide me, I want some how to ... links? | 18:09 |
abbopenstack | i want to setup openstack | 18:09 |
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heckj | abbopenstack: have you started with the docs? (http://docs.openstack.org/) - pretty good overview | 18:10 |
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abbopenstack | yes. but little confused in Nova and Swift. | 18:10 |
abbopenstack | Can I setup Nova and Swift on 1 machine? | 18:11 |
abbopenstack | i have limited hardware with me. | 18:11 |
abbopenstack | what r the min h/w requirement for openstack setup? | 18:11 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944184 in nova "Iptables chaine name is to long for nova-api-metadata" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944184 | 18:11 |
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LanceHaig | abbopenstack, you can run openstack on One machine only | 18:12 |
LanceHaig | it depends what you want to do | 18:13 |
abbopenstack | i want to give demo to my management team. | 18:13 |
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abbopenstack | so they can start use openstack with live environment. | 18:13 |
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abbopenstack | so small setup like EC2 features | 18:14 |
LanceHaig | what do you see openstack as? | 18:14 |
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LanceHaig | and what "live" environment do you have | 18:14 |
LanceHaig | I would suggest you use http://devstack.org/ | 18:15 |
LanceHaig | for your POC machine | 18:15 |
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abbopenstack | As per my understanding openstack is cloud software with which we can setup ec2 like environment on normal hardware | 18:15 |
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LanceHaig | it is well documented and will be very useful in setting up a single demo machine | 18:16 |
LanceHaig | abbopenstack, you are correct | 18:16 |
LanceHaig | so if you want to start small just use one 64bit machine with local storage and ram | 18:16 |
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abbopenstack | ok | 18:16 |
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LanceHaig | then after you have played with that for a bit | 18:17 |
LanceHaig | read http://www.referencearchitecture.org/ | 18:17 |
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LanceHaig | which tells you what you would need to setup a private cloud environment | 18:17 |
LanceHaig | you can use that as a guide when choosing hardware for your cluster | 18:18 |
LanceHaig | does that help? | 18:18 |
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abbopenstack | see, i am in software testing department, | 18:18 |
abbopenstack | i have to first give demo | 18:18 |
abbopenstack | then I have to test it. | 18:19 |
abbopenstack | management team is ready to purchase h/w on my trust | 18:19 |
LanceHaig | good :-) | 18:19 |
LanceHaig | here at the top of this page is the requirement for a POC http://www.referencearchitecture.org/hardware-specifications/ | 18:19 |
abbopenstack | so before that , i want to show them something good | 18:19 |
LanceHaig | abbopenstack, a good plan I think | 18:19 |
abbopenstack | yes. good link for hardware spec. | 18:20 |
abbopenstack | but, on it there is proxy node, compute node.... | 18:21 |
abbopenstack | so I need to setup them separately? | 18:21 |
LanceHaig | for a POC no | 18:21 |
abbopenstack | or I can do all things on one machine? | 18:22 |
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abbopenstack | ok | 18:22 |
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LanceHaig | I would suggest one controller and 2 compute nodes | 18:22 |
LanceHaig | you would then install the controller part on the one node | 18:23 |
abbopenstack | controller means swift and compute means nova, is it correct , what I am understanding? | 18:23 |
LanceHaig | and then on the compute nodes you can add swift as well | 18:23 |
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LanceHaig | controller is as the name says it controls everything | 18:24 |
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LanceHaig | the compute nodes host your VM's | 18:24 |
LanceHaig | and you can run swift storage ont he compute nodes as well | 18:24 |
LanceHaig | swift is the object store if I rememebr correctly | 18:24 |
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abbopenstack | so what i have to install on controller? | 18:25 |
LanceHaig | I have not done much with Openstack since I went on course in january | 18:25 |
abbopenstack | yes, swift is object store. you are right. | 18:25 |
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LanceHaig | I think as a first stage I would suggest you install Ubuntu 11.10 on one machine | 18:26 |
LanceHaig | leave some disk space free for swift and nova | 18:26 |
LanceHaig | perhaps have some pare disks | 18:26 |
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LanceHaig | then use http://devstack.org/ | 18:27 |
LanceHaig | and just let it install openstack for you | 18:27 |
LanceHaig | you will then have a working system | 18:27 |
abbopenstack | ok. | 18:27 |
LanceHaig | which will enable you to deploy VM's and play | 18:27 |
LanceHaig | so they can see it at work | 18:27 |
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LanceHaig | then if they want a POC then you can build a bigger environment around that first server | 18:28 |
LanceHaig | the first server will become the controller then | 18:28 |
abbopenstack | ok | 18:28 |
LanceHaig | hope that helps | 18:28 |
abbopenstack | so the controller have nova installed on it, right ? | 18:28 |
LanceHaig | as a one server install yes | 18:29 |
abbopenstack | ok. got it. | 18:29 |
LanceHaig | as your cluster grows bigegr you can turn off nova on the controller | 18:29 |
LanceHaig | and swift | 18:29 |
LanceHaig | and all it does only the management of all the swift and nova nodes | 18:29 |
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notmyname | abbopenstack: http://swift.openstack.org/development_saio.html describes how to set up swift in a VM (for dev purposes) | 18:30 |
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abbopenstack | ok. | 18:30 |
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LanceHaig | here is another one to run the cloud in a virtual environment http://devstack.org/guides/single-vm.html | 18:31 |
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abbopenstack | http://wiki.openstack.org/Testing this link is not updated . Anyone knows about swift testing | 18:36 |
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notmyname | abbopenstack: what do you need to know? | 18:37 |
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abbopenstack | what all functinoal testing of swift people are doing. | 18:37 |
abbopenstack | so i can also try to help them. | 18:38 |
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notmyname | abbopenstack: functiona testing of swift is done with the .functests script in the source tree. for integration tests with other projects, I don't know | 18:38 |
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abbopenstack | ok. | 18:39 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944245 in nova "Support --ipv6 and --port in python-novaclient ssh command" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944245 | 19:06 |
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ppradhan | hey guys. when I try to access VNC console from dashboard. It says 403 forbidden.. Access denied.. any ideas | 19:13 |
ppradhan | ? | 19:13 |
aweiss | ppradhan: i'm having similar issues with VNC and dashboard as well | 19:13 |
aweiss | i'm getting an HTTP 302 error when it attempts to look in images_and_volumes | 19:13 |
aweiss | still trying to figure it out | 19:14 |
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ppradhan | aweiss: ok.. | 19:14 |
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ppradhan | should we install nova-vncproxy in compute node or the controller? | 19:15 |
aweiss | which vnc are you using…noVNC or xvpvnc | 19:15 |
ppradhan | noNVC | 19:15 |
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aweiss | same here | 19:15 |
aweiss | nova-vncproxy should be installed on controller | 19:15 |
ppradhan | i apt getted from ucb repo | 19:15 |
aweiss | ok…one i'm using is from trunk packages | 19:16 |
ppradhan | ok I wikk try that I have it running in compute node .. that might be a problem too | 19:16 |
aweiss | k | 19:17 |
aweiss | if anyone else has any input regarding how VNC should be configured in the latest version of nova that would be great | 19:17 |
aweiss | i'm confused as to how to properly configure and run either noVNC or the xvpvnc | 19:18 |
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zynzel | aweiss: nova get-vnc-console works? | 19:19 |
aweiss | tried that | 19:19 |
zynzel | aweiss: and? | 19:19 |
aweiss | says its not available | 19:19 |
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aweiss | i have launched noVNC using the launch.sh script | 19:19 |
zynzel | aweiss: pls paste output. | 19:19 |
aweiss | sure | 19:19 |
zynzel | aweiss: without geting valid token, noVNC is not important. | 19:20 |
openstackops | what is the default local storage size for m1.xlarge? (the document says it's 160GB, is it true?) | 19:20 |
aweiss | zynzel: ok | 19:20 |
zynzel | openstackops: check in db. | 19:20 |
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ppradhan | aweiss: its working for me. after I install it in controller node | 19:24 |
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aweiss | http://paste.openstack.org/show/5672/ | 19:24 |
zynzel | aweiss: nova get-vnc-console instance1 novnc | 19:25 |
zynzel | 3rd arg is instance name, not ip. | 19:25 |
zynzel | name or id* | 19:25 |
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aweiss | ok | 19:26 |
aweiss | now instead of error, not getting any output | 19:26 |
zynzel | aweiss: this is good. ;) | 19:27 |
Phibs | Anyone migrate to openstack from cloudstack? | 19:27 |
zynzel | aweiss: you must start nova-consoleauth | 19:27 |
zynzel | aweiss: check if you have 'nova-consoleauth' command. | 19:27 |
aweiss | i don't | 19:27 |
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Phibs | how many cloud controller nodes do I need per X compute nodes ? | 19:29 |
Phibs | is there a recco sizing? | 19:29 |
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shraddha | for nova-volume, is it absolutely necessary to have a separate partition? | 19:31 |
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vitiho | Hi, What's the right way to reconfigure network mode on the openstack? I'm trying to change the config file but it seems that it still gets the networking info from database (i'm using pgsql) | 19:33 |
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vitiho | I've changed the networking from vlan to this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/5685/ | 19:34 |
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vitiho | but I still get in the logs when i start nova-network Exit code: 3 | 19:35 |
vitiho | Stdout: '' | 19:35 |
vitiho | Stderr: 'ERROR: trying to add VLAN #100 to IF -:br100:- error: No such device\n' | 19:35 |
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Phibs | when is this channel usually the most active? | 19:39 |
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zynzel | Phibs: and for what you want many cloud controller? ;) | 19:40 |
Phibs | zynzel: I'll have a good 200 physical hypvervisors | 19:40 |
Phibs | to start | 19:40 |
Phibs | wondering how many cloud controllers i'll need | 19:40 |
ppradhan | vitiho: i had that issue once and I manually delete from the database | 19:40 |
zynzel | Phibs: cloud controler is only message bus | 19:40 |
Phibs | ah ok | 19:41 |
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Phibs | is here a good howto on using VLANs on each hypervisor for different networks ? | 19:41 |
Phibs | or just the usual docs? | 19:41 |
zynzel | (in old nova relese, cloud controller was also nating traffic) | 19:41 |
zynzel | but now, you can start nova-network on every compute-node | 19:41 |
Phibs | I have hardware load balancers doing my NAT, is that possible | 19:41 |
zynzel | no realy imho | 19:42 |
Phibs | all the networks are routable and we use source nat | 19:42 |
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Phibs | don't see why it wouldn't work | 19:42 |
zynzel | nat in nova-network map floating ips to fixed ip | 19:42 |
Phibs | ugh | 19:42 |
Phibs | do not want | 19:42 |
zynzel | probably (i dont know, i dont test setup like that) you can use fixed ips from public class | 19:43 |
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Phibs | nod | 19:43 |
zynzel | but this isnt good idea imho. | 19:43 |
Phibs | there has to be an optino to not use nat | 19:43 |
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zynzel | as i say, you probably can use fixed ips without nat. | 19:45 |
zynzel | but then user cant change ip assigned to instance. | 19:46 |
Phibs | nod | 19:46 |
Phibs | it is for a private cloud internally | 19:46 |
Phibs | mostly used by operatinos, not customers | 19:46 |
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zynzel | Phibs: if you dont want to use nat, you cant use floating ip, this mean that if instance is running | 19:49 |
Phibs | I'm ok with dhcp assigning an IP with a long lease | 19:50 |
Phibs | and updating DNS appropriately at boot | 19:50 |
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zynzel | you cant change ips of instance. | 19:50 |
Phibs | yeah thats fine | 19:50 |
Phibs | if they just stay allocated until it is destroyed i'm fine w/ that | 19:50 |
Phibs | that is desirable actually | 19:50 |
zynzel | erm. | 19:51 |
zynzel | i think im wrong ;) you should test setup like that. | 19:52 |
zynzel | just use fixed ips. | 19:52 |
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Phibs | hehehe | 19:53 |
Phibs | what allocates the IPs? | 19:53 |
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Phibs | I will have 3 vlans each a /23 in each rack | 19:54 |
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technologov | CONGRATS for M4 release ! | 19:56 |
Phibs | :) | 19:57 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944293 in horizon "Entering a keypair with a space in the name displays no message to the user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944293 | 20:05 |
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nsnidanko | Hi, I am interested in usergroups, workshops for Openstack in Canada. Can someone share info where I can find them? | 20:26 |
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dprince | clear | 20:29 |
* dprince irc is *my* terminal? | 20:29 | |
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westmaas | lol | 20:31 |
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avoine | nsnidanko: I'm in Montreal and I would be interessed to find/start one too | 20:37 |
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nsnidanko | avoine: Nice, I'm in Toronto. I was looking for a while. I deployed openstack in my home lab but due to luck of hardware I was unable to test it properly | 20:40 |
Nacef | Hi there, trying to upload image with uec-publish-tarball but what does this "bucket" param mean, I cannot see any bucket definition on my dashboard ? | 20:41 |
deshantm | nsnidanko, avoine: I'm in upstate NY and met someone on IRC before that is from Montreal area too | 20:41 |
gmi | Nacef: I think it's just a way of grouping similar types of baselines | 20:42 |
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Nacef | gmi: Do I have to define a bucket prior to this command ? | 20:42 |
gmi | nope | 20:43 |
gmi | nsnidanko: there is a Canada group on Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/groups/OpenStack-Canada-4151460 | 20:43 |
avoine | great! | 20:43 |
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Nacef | ok gmi thanks | 20:44 |
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nsnidanko | gmi: thanks! just joined. I was in similiar group on meetup but it had 0 activity | 20:45 |
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gmi | I'm in Canada too but I have to go now | 20:51 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944323 in openstack-ci "job horizon-tarball broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944323 | 20:58 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944363 in quantum "quantum/vcsversion.py in both quantum and python-quantumclient" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944363 | 21:41 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944372 in keystone "docs/middleware_architecture out of sync with auth_token" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944372 | 21:46 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944373 in devstack "devstack should use nova-rootwrap instead of sudoers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944373 | 21:46 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944381 in nova "fix header underlines in auto-generated doc files" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944381 | 21:55 |
uvirtbot` | New bug: #944383 in nova "There is no way to recover/cleanup a volume in an "attaching" state" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944383 | 21:56 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944385 in nova "fix formatting errors in static rst files" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944385 | 22:01 |
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swill | notmyname: is the file https://github.com/notmyname/slogging/blob/master/etc/access-log-delivery.conf-sample being used? or has that been replaced by the 'log-processor-access' section of the https://github.com/notmyname/slogging/blob/master/etc/log-processor.conf-sample config file? | 22:35 |
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uvirtbot` | New bug: #944410 in tempest "Tempest depends on glance being installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944410 | 22:56 |
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whenry | russellb, developer day huh? | 23:05 |
whenry | maybe | 23:05 |
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tsobral | annegentle, | 23:51 |
tsobral | annegentle, hi | 23:51 |
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technologov | anne might be sleeping now... | 23:55 |
Hoanne | good night! | 23:56 |
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