Friday, 2012-06-29

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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019086 in horizon "Error in nova during launch instance modal loading spins forever" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101908600:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019088 in horizon "Select all does not highlight action buttons.  Deselect all does." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101908800:31
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tonybI'm trying to use OpenStack (under RHEL) and I'm getting RPC timeouts.  Honnestly I don't know alot about openstack.  Can someone give me some pointers on how to track down which component is cuasing the problem?01:24
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019120 in nova "chanage nova to use openstack-common log" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101912003:15
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hugokuoanyone around ?03:34
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019124 in openstack-manuals "Need update to cloud controller docs for yum install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101912403:51
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end_hi there04:54
thrawn01I am dug04:57
uvirtbotNew bug: #1019134 in openstack-manuals "Figure not shown in HTML document " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101913405:01
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jobycxaswift -V 2.0 -A http://localhost:5000/v2.0 -U openstackDemo:adminUser -K secretword statAccount HEAD failed: http://127.0.0.1:8888/v1/AUTH_b880534b46244dda96085df4c2dadff1 503 Service Unavailable06:56
jobycxacould anyone help me on this error?..06:57
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koolhead11chmouel: ping07:07
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hugokuobonjour07:20
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koolhead11hugokuo: hola07:28
koolhead11long time07:28
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hugokuokoolhead11, hi dude07:46
hugokuoheavy loading in test swift07:46
hugokuoI found several issues may not been point out in the past :<07:47
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zykes-what issues hugokuo ?07:48
hugokuozykes-,  1. updatedb daily cronjob should be terminate on storagenode07:49
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hugokuo2. The XFS consumes lots of memory as time goes by07:49
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hugokuoWhen objects reach to 4000000  ...  the memory usage by XFS close to 20GB07:50
hugokuoeven more ....07:50
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hugokuo3. While I test with PUT GET DEL ....    the storagenode become lazy07:51
hugokuofor example ,,,07:51
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hugokuoAt first 100000 4K objects with PUT GET DEL  ... PUT around 1000/s    , GET 2400/s   DEL 1800/s07:52
hugokuobut when I run into round 8~10  , I found that PUT become only 350/s07:53
hugokuoand got several failures07:53
zykes-k07:53
hugokuoIt's odd ...07:53
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hugokuodoes anyone knows about that if .ts object will be delete ?07:58
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oneiroianyone else seen this google compute engine malarky?08:45
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koolhead11oneiroi: ?08:51
oneiroikoolhead11: googles venture into cloud computing beyond app engine08:52
koolhead11ooh yes. bad for Azure and Amazon08:52
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oneiroikoolhead11: indeed, wanting to get my hands on it :) can but wait for if/when an invite is given09:17
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mgalkiewiczHi I am getting error in openstack dashboard that keypairs, instance flavors and security groups are unable to retrieved. It means that there is a problem with communication between what components?10:23
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koolhead11mgalkiewicz: sudo nova-manage service list <-- can help10:31
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mgalkiewiczall services are up and running10:34
koolhead11mgalkiewicz: does apache error.log shows anything10:34
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019230 in quantum "openstack-common update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101923010:35
mgalkiewiczsome 404 for *.js files10:37
koolhead11mgalkiewicz: can that be issue?10:38
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zynzelmgalkiewicz: and when you use nova command with the same keystone endpoint as horizon its works?10:39
koolhead11and are you using it from source or following some documentation10:39
koolhead11zynzel: aah thanks for heads up, yeah i forgot to ask that :)10:39
mgalkiewiczwhen I execute nova volume-list I got "ERROR: n/a (HTTP 400)"10:41
mgalkiewicznot sure what you mean from source or following some doc10:41
zynzelmgalkiewicz: and what you have in api log? or keystone log?10:41
mgalkiewiczchecking10:42
zykes-anyone here tested cloudify?10:43
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mgalkiewiczhttps://gist.github.com/301729410:45
mgalkiewiczI was wrong nova volume-list returns "ERROR: printt"10:45
zynzelmgalkiewicz: and this is full log?10:46
mgalkiewiczno10:46
mgalkiewiczI have gotta go be back soon10:46
zynzelso if you need help, plz paste full log and not one line ;)10:46
mgalkiewiczok10:46
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koolhead11zynzel: seems like your testing too much PAAS stuff :)10:52
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zynzelkoolhead11: why?;)10:56
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koolhead11zynzel: oops i meant zykes- :D10:58
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koolhead11hugokuo: did you try mailinglist my friend11:11
koolhead11am sure someone will help11:12
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mgalkiewiczzynzel: I have updated gist https://gist.github.com/301729412:16
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juduHi12:29
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juduI'm trying to use git review (following the (seemingly old) doc by review.openstack. It says I need to do "git review -s"12:29
juduBut when I do that, I get an error message: "Usage: git-review [options] No such option: -s"12:31
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isipisiHi, I have two server. One computing node and one controller node. Openstack is working execpt for the public ips. They don't get assigned. Can someone please help me find the error I've made?12:33
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019264 in horizon "close machine in vm, status in dashboard is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101926412:46
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1010547 in keystone "Admin rights shouldn't work cross-tenant" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101054713:26
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bluforhey guys14:11
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bluforjust a quick question, im deploying openstack on three nodes (one controller with everything except volume and compute and other two with compute and volume)14:11
blufori decided to configure the network by myself (the bridges and vlans) and use flat networking module14:12
bluforwhen i deploy an instance, it fails with: TRACE nova.rpc.amqp NotFound: cannot find 'name' while searching for 'nic.name'14:13
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bluforbasically, i believe it's the same bug PerlStalker encountered few weeks ago14:14
bluforhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/18155/14:14
bluforthat's perlstalker's snip, but mine is exactly the same14:14
blufori configured the network like this: nova-manage network create --label vm --fixed_range_v4=10.1.64.0/24 --bridge=br64 --multi_host=T --dns1=10.1.255.250 --dns2=8.8.4.4 --project_id=21e469c91b3346c3aa325f438fc9c7ff14:15
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bluforthe bridges are already created manually14:17
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bluforbtw if i destroy the network for the tenant and leave the tenant without any network, the instance starts ok14:17
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ToxyDoes launching images via the dashboard actually work? Mine consistently stays at Loading...14:20
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ToxyBut I don't know if that's because of old/wrong browsers or a mistake in installation or if it shouldn't work14:20
hokkaI currently run XenServer (free edition) cluster, but would like to give XCP + openstack a try. I have a dedicated redundant iSCSI appliance. Is there any chance to use it with openstack?14:22
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hokkasomeone has asked a similar question about an external iscsi about last year at launchpad https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/169877 but it went unanswered. any feedback is highly appreciated. i would like at least to know if it is possible at all or it goes against the ideology of openstack or something. thanks14:29
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sgranhokka: there are modules for netapp and .. something else14:30
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sgranI wouldn't think it's against the principles, but there may not be any existing code for what you want to do14:30
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hokkasgran: thanks for the hit. will search for the info about integration between openstack and netapp.14:32
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hokkasgran: following your hit i've found docs about storage manager volume drivers http://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/admin/content/xensm.html. One of options is "LVHD over iSCSI: SR plugin which represents disks as Logical Volumes within a Volume Group created on an iSCSI LUN". I wonder if this is one can help me14:37
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rodshi, in the extra field of the user table in keystone db there is a tenantId field, not sure what's that for, because I thought user - tenant relations was stored in the user_tenant_membership table14:39
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rodsany idea?14:39
mnaserrods: i believe for each user there is a default tenant id14:39
mnaserthat's what its for14:39
mnaserthats as far as I know, as for why, i've always wondered..14:40
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fm255005where does openstack dashboard pull credentials from?14:40
dolphmrods: mnaser: that's correct... there's two types of user-tenant relationships14:40
fm255005nova or keystone14:40
mnaserfm255005: credentials aka login to dashboard or the ones where it generates a downloadable file?14:41
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dolphmrods: mnaser: but with default tenancy, a user can only be associated with a single tenant14:41
mnasergotcha, that's what i figured, but now i'm sure of it =p14:41
fm255005login to dashboard14:41
mnaserty!14:41
mnaserfm255005: i believe dashboard login is from keystone14:41
fm255005so any keystone user should allow a login?14:42
rodsmnaser, dolphm thanks guys14:42
mnaserfm255005: i believe so, as long as it can read the service catalog and access the specific service14:42
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bluforanyone replied anything ? :]14:44
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maskedaI could use some dashboard help.  I can't get it to authenticate to keystore, this is what apache's error_log gives me and I can telnet to the port:15:41
maskeda[Fri Jun 29 07:29:14 2012] [error] DEBUG:horizon.api.keystone:Creating a new keystoneclient connection to http://127.0.0.1:5000/v2.0. [Fri Jun 29 07:29:14 2012] [error] DEBUG:keystoneclient.client:REQ: curl -i http://127.0.0.1:5000/v2.0/tokens -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" -H "User-Agent: python-keystoneclient" [Fri Jun 29 07:29:14 2012] [error]  [Fri Jun 29 07:29:14 2012] [error] DEBUG:keystoneclient.client:REQ BODY:15:41
maskeda[Fri Jun 29 07:29:14 2012] [error] DEBUG:keystoneclient.client:REQ BODY: {"auth": {"passwordCredentials": {"username": "teraadmin", "password": "ch7W2AHu"}}}15:41
maskedaopps now I have to change my password :)15:41
dolphmmaskeda: there's no error there?15:42
maskedaDEBUG:keystoneclient.client:RESP: {'status': '400', 'content-length': 30, 'content-type': 'text/plain'} [Fri Jun 29 07:29:14 2012] [error] RESP BODY: [Errno 111] Connection refused15:42
maskedaDEBUG:keystoneclient.client:Could not decode JSON from body: [Errno 111] Connection refused [Fri Jun 29 07:29:14 2012] [error] DEBUG:horizon.exceptions:Recoverable error: Unable to communicate with identity service: [Errno 111] Connection refused. (HTTP 400)15:42
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dolphmmaskeda: is keystone running at http://127.0.0.1:5000/ ?15:43
maskedaIt's running at another IP but even if I switch to the other IP I get the same errors15:43
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dolphmmaskeda: as long as localhost is correct relative to the client... but it doesn't look like it's running at all15:44
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dolphmmaskeda: paste the output of 'curl http://127.0.0.1:5000/' ( you can use http://paste.openstack.org )15:45
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maskedahttp://paste.openstack.org/show/19050/15:45
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maskedaI can't believe we got through everything except the dashboard :)15:47
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maskedaDid that help dolphm ?15:51
dolphmmaskeda: what release are you on?15:52
maskedaESSEX EPEL RPM15:52
dolphmmaskeda: at some point, you needed a trailing slash on http://127.0.0.1:5000/v2.0/ <--15:52
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maskedaSame response with a trailing /15:54
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dolphmmaskeda: is horizon on the same node as keystone?16:10
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maskedaYes16:10
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maskedadolphm: I sent you my local_settings file in private chat.16:12
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dolphmmaskeda: OPENSTACK_HOST looks like a remote IP?16:14
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dolphmmaskeda: which is defining your keystone host16:15
maskedaIt's the server's public IP16:15
maskedadolphm: all on the same host16:15
dolphmmaskeda: is keystone listening on 127.0.0.1 or 0.0.0.0?16:15
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maskedadolphm: it's listening on the public IP16:15
chueyI am trying to understand how nova-compute use disk space when I launch an instance.16:15
chueyCan someone point me to documentation on why the various files in /var/lib/nova/instances are handled?16:16
dolphmmaskeda: ..but it responded to localhost in your curl request?16:16
chueys/why/how/16:16
dolphmmaskeda: paste your keystone.conf, i guess?16:17
FlipFlop_anyone using keystone with the LDAP backend?16:17
maskedaThat is old, here: dolphm: http://paste.openstack.org/show/19052/16:17
dolphmmaskeda: so it's **not** responding on your public IP -- either set keystone to listen to the public IP or 0.0.0.0, OR update horizon config to point to keystone on 127.0.0.116:18
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maskedadolphm: http://paste.openstack.org/show/19053/16:20
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maskedadolphm: keystone is set to 0.0.0.0 and I tried 127.0.0.1 on horizon16:21
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maskedaOh, it's commented out, I'll try that when my colleague gets back he has the file locked.16:24
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maskedaThanks dolphm16:25
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dolphmmaskeda: :) let me know16:26
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realnorthcan anyone help with networking an instance16:38
realnorthits only available for me on the compute server it is run on16:39
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realnorthand I want it accessible by more than that16:39
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019334 in nova "boot-from-volume broken by foreign key constraints" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101933416:46
uvirtbotNew bug: #1019335 in nova "IP Addresses in usage audits missing the network label" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101933516:46
chueyTerminating an instance via the web console does not delete the instance's files from /var/lib/nova/16:47
chueyIs it safe to manually delete them if I have no more use for them?16:48
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chueyFigured it out.  Thanks.16:56
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EDevilThe auth tokens I get with swift's tempauth are only valid for 24h, but if I request another one while the previous is valid I obtain the same token. Is there a way to force a new token to be generated? Otherwise I'll probably get a 401 when it expires.17:06
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dolphmEDevil: switch to keystone?17:06
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realnorthany reason why nova list doesn't show me the currently running instances17:08
realnorthI'm running as an admin17:08
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EDevildolphm: Do I really need another software stack to make this work?17:08
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Dieterbe_why does swift gives me http 503 ("service unavailable") but it does do exactly what i asked it to? (creating a container in my account)17:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019348 in openstack-common "new  module in openstack-common can't support pep8 1.3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101934817:26
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realnorthalright I'm having permissions issues right now17:34
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bluforso, i trashed the dault ubuntu essex and got folsom running17:34
blufor*default17:34
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bluforlooks ok, but the dashboard is broken17:35
bluforapache returns 500 and i got this in logs17:35
bluforhttp://pastie.org/417263717:35
bluforit would seem that i got some misconfiguration17:35
bluforthe question is where17:35
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bluforthe dashboard's local_settings.py is here: http://pastie.org/417265217:37
bluforbtw i used to have mysql configuration there17:37
bluforthe dashboard used to have it's own mysql database17:38
blufordoesn't work both with and without the db config17:38
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realnorthblufor did you try the making the .blackhole file ?17:41
realnorthand did you do the /usr/share/openstack-dashboard/manage.py syncdb17:41
bluforhmm, seems i forgot to do the sync17:42
realnorthI run essex so those are my normal debugs for the dash17:42
realnorthdid that work for  you then?17:43
blufornope, syncdb ends with: Error: No module named compressor17:43
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realnorthhttps://github.com/rhymeswithcycle/openparliament/issues/2717:44
realnorthdon't know if that helps but they got the same issue and installed that django compressor17:45
bluforfound the same thing :]17:45
bluforgonna try that17:45
realnorthcool17:45
realnorthlet me know17:45
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bluforrealnorth: syncdb finished ok, but the trace in errlogs persists17:48
bluforrealnorth: http://pastie.org/417263717:48
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realnorthhm\17:51
realnorthnot really sure17:53
realnorthI would just verify you installed everything correctly17:53
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bluforeverything works, i can deploy servers via the cmdline17:54
bluforjust not the effin dashboard :]17:54
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realnorthyeah try reinstalling horizon17:56
realnorthor something17:56
realnorthnot too sure never got that error and Google doesn't seem to be returning much for me17:56
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realnorthI'm actually in here looking for some networking help17:57
bluforwhat kind ? i've spent last 2 weeks messing with essex's nova-network17:59
bluforto no luck17:59
realnorthyeah mine is probably a really simple thing18:00
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realnorthI want to be able to ssh into the instances I make from any IP on my network18:00
realnorthnot just the nova-compute that launched it18:00
maskedadolphm: still connection refused for dashboard18:00
realnorthit associates a private IP which I cannot access18:00
uvirtbotNew bug: #1019357 in nova "Retrieve instance system_metadata for deleted instance" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101935718:01
realnorthfrom anywhere but the nova-compute server18:01
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realnorthmy nova.conf has all the networking handled18:03
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bluforrealnorth: im not at the firewall setting, yet ;]18:11
bluforbut i'd look how the iptables rules are being contructed18:11
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realnorthyeah I setup the default security like it said in the configuring public (floating) IP18:12
realnorthI'll look into the iptables18:12
blufori'm trying to achieve something different. i dont like the concept of fixed/floating IPs18:12
realnorthwhat are you going for?18:12
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bluforsince my cloud will have only one tenant and will be private, i dont need any NAT harakiri on the hypervisors18:13
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bluforusing flat network, configuring vlans and bridges manually18:13
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blufori want all the deployed instances to be accessible via the IP from the fixed range18:14
blufori'm just following the KISS principle :]18:14
realnorthcool18:16
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realnorthyou ever do live migration?18:20
zblufor: It sounds like we're trying to achieve the exact same thing, and running into identical frustrations.18:21
zblufor: I'm really disappointed this isn't better documented somewhere18:21
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bluforz: i got itt running on folsom now18:30
bluforrealnorth: i won't need live migration18:31
bluforbut my plan is tu use ceph's rdb for the instances18:31
bluforso i guess live migration shouldn't be a big issue18:31
bluforshit, my typing sucks today ;]18:32
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primeministerphey all18:42
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primeministerpcheck out http://wiki.openstack.org/Hyper-V18:42
primeministerpNew installer, following features work w/ essex on 2k8r2 Start/Stop, Pause/Un-Pause, Suspend/Resume, Volume attach/detach, snapshotting18:43
primeministerpon 2012 preview, shared nothing live migration also works18:43
primeministerpboot from volume should also work18:43
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bluforok, i got neck-deep into it and i' just tell you, installing folsom on precise is fucked up because of conflicting dependencies and python libs19:50
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Dieterbe_if you create a new container (http PUT) in swift, get a 201, and then immediately get a container listing (http GET), is there a guarantee i will see the new container immediately?20:04
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dyocum'lo all20:07
dyocumI'm working through the Fedora 17 install guide, but I'm having a problem with keystone.20:08
dyocumthe guide in question is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_on_Fedora_1720:08
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dyocumat the step where I'm checking the cli I type "keystone user-list" and it returns with the error Invalid User / Passwd.20:09
dyocumany ideas?20:09
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dyocumlooking in the keystone logs nothing is popping out at me20:09
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dolphmdyocum: did you create the user you're trying to authenticate as?20:11
uvirtbotNew bug: #1019401 in glance "v2 api missing "images" schema" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101940120:11
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dyocumdolphm: in the database?20:12
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dyocumthe keystone user is in the db, yes20:12
dolphmdyocum: whatever you're using for OS_USERNAME / OS_PASSWORD / OS_TENANT_NAME20:13
* dyocum checks the guide...20:13
dyocumdolphm: if it's on that page, then I did it.  :-)20:14
dyocumwell, up to that point, at least20:14
dyocumdolphm: and looking in the db, I do see the admin and demo users20:15
dolphmdyocum: there's a lot of steps on that page i'm not familiar with, such as the details of what keystonerc is doing20:15
dyocumhm20:16
dolphmdyocum: or what openstack-keystone-sample-data actually creates20:16
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dolphmdyocum: anyway, your tenant needs to exist in keystone, and have some relationship to your user (user.tenant_id or via a user-tenant role relationship)20:16
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dolphmdyocum: if not, auth will fail with something similar to what you received20:17
dyocumoh. pfft.  I dropped the keystone database and deleted the user and started at the "Initial Keystone Setup" again and lo and behold it's working.20:17
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dolphmdyocum: cool20:17
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dyocumsometimes I'm too smart for my own good - I'm installing this as root, so why would I use 'sudo' to run a command?  I was leaving that off.  Fine, I'll cut-n-paste exactly what they're typing.20:18
jstrunkI'm running Essex on Ubuntu Precise following the Hastexo guide. I was trying to add a new node following http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/configuring-multiple-compute-nodes.html , but after restarting libvirt and nova-compute, my instances don't see their volumes.20:19
jstrunkI found http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/nova-disaster-recovery-process.html , but not until after I rebooted my instances multiple times.20:19
jstrunkThe disaster recovery says in bold "DO NOT reboot a second time". Is there a way to recover from this?20:20
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jstrunkThe current symptoms are that the instances say they are active and running, but I can't access the console log or the vnc console.20:21
dyocumdolphm: btw, thanks.  :-)20:21
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dolphmdyocum: np20:30
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jstrunkDoes anyone have any idea what happens when you reboot a second time during disaster recovery?20:32
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019409 in keystone "python-keystone client fails w/ PrettyTable 0.5-3 (" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101940920:35
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bluforok, i got it running, everything from folsom except the dashboard which is from essex (2012.1)20:56
blufornow i need to get rid of the iptables, becasue i dont really need them20:57
blufori mean i can manage them by myself20:57
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blufor:]20:57
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zblufor: What did it take for you to get Folsom working?20:59
zblufor: Was it fairly straightforward to "neuter" nova-network and just get your flat single-tenancy stuff going that way?20:59
bluforusing the ppa packages mentioned in the openstack wiki20:59
zblufor: I'm running Precise and saw you'd had issues there... :-)20:59
bluforwell i didnt neuter it20:59
bluforusing just flat manager21:00
bluforjust managing the bridges on hypervisors by myself using some pupept voodoo :]21:00
blufor*puppet21:00
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* z nods21:00
bluforthen adding the networks via nova-manage21:01
zblufor: How're you finding features and stability of Folsom so far?  Any groundbreaking features which are "Must have"?21:01
blufordidnt have time to play with it much, i just got it running21:01
bluforcant even ssh to the machines21:01
zHowcome?21:01
blufori'd really love to change the default iptables rules21:01
zI believe that is possible...21:01
bluforhttp://pastie.org/417353621:02
bluforcuz this :]21:02
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bluforbut the host pings21:02
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blufori dont want to use the NAT thingie with floating IPs at all21:04
* z neither21:04
blufori have my own openbsd router/firewall for this and im very happy to manage it by yself :]21:04
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blufor*myself21:04
zDo you have a Security Groups issue preventing SSH, a la, is is using ebtables or something to enforce access?21:05
bluforshit, you're right, the ebtables21:05
bluforok, no rules21:05
blufornada21:05
uvirtbotNew bug: #1019421 in glance "Glance doesn't clean up the partial uploaded image when there is no disk space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101942121:06
bluforbut there are those netfilter rules21:06
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zWeird I thought I read somewhere it used ebtables in cases where nova-network wasn't the gateway21:06
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* z shrugs21:06
blufori'll put there logging for the dropped packets, to see what is hapenning21:06
blufori don't need the gw right now, yes21:06
blufori'm on the same subnet with the VMs21:06
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bluforhttp://pastie.org/417355721:07
bluforthis is what i got21:07
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bluforok, it's prolly not the iptables21:12
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bluforthen i need to get the vnc console working... :]21:13
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1019423 in ceilometer "nova packages do not include config files when building from github zipballs" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101942321:16
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swiftindiaHi All22:21
swiftindiaanybody familier with swift-bench ?22:22
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lindenleHi all, total idiot question. Does penstack work with ESXi or is it only Xen?23:45
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rpawlikIt does to an extent but it's not going to work as well as it would with the KVM hypervisor23:50
rpawlikhttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/vmware.html23:50
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lindenlekvm runs on anything right?23:52
lindenleis the install easy?23:53
rpawlikkvm runs on linux23:53
rpawliki guess it depends on what you choose to run it on but it's easy to install on ubuntu23:53
lindenlerpawlik: so you need a base os and then install it. Is ther any out of the box iso to get it up and running on nice big hardware (the kind we have esxi on)23:54
rpawlikif you ant to test an all-in-one openstack install, you should check out devstack.org23:54
rpawlikyou'll need to install ubuntu 12.0423:55
rpawlikthen run the devstack script23:55
lindenleok thanks for the pointer23:57
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lindenlerpawlik: then there is some console to start vms? and the openstack tooling is a centralized monitoring and admin interface to all the consoles?23:59

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