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RamJettIf I have just added a nova-compute node and want to move some instances off a "overloaded" nova-compute node .. Would I be looking do a migrate ? Or is there a way to do that?02:37
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NippoHi Guys04:46
NippoHow to setup openstack ?04:46
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rpawlikIf you just want to easily set something up for testing, I'd look at http://devstack.org04:56
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hsenidVivek: hi..08:28
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hsenidVivek: good morning08:29
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hsenidVivek: find any ways to get the swift logs?08:30
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marcushi all. i have setup openstack using this tutorial: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Getting_started_with_OpenStack_EPEL - i can create an instance and launch it. it's also listed in virsh and nova list, but i cannot ssh to it nor view it's logfiles08:45
marcuswhere are the details of running instances logged?08:45
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jol888@markus: did you configure the security group allowing ssh?08:52
marcuswhat should i define as From Port? * is not valid08:56
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marcusbesides that the instance is no longer shown in dashboard after a while. it's still listed in nova list and virsh list08:59
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jol888"from 22 to 22" worked for me.09:16
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marcusjol888: ah, that works, thanks. any idea why the instance is no longer listed in dashboard after a while (it is still running).10:35
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marcushmm, after re-login it's again visible10:48
marcusah, it's only shown in the admin overview. if i want it to be launched in e.g. demo, i guess i have to specify --availability_zone in nova boot10:51
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fastaWhy would anyone want to use OpenStack? E.g. what can it do for VM management for example?11:15
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webvictimit's an easy way of managing a private cloud11:21
webvictimif you don't understand why anyone would want to use it, you're probably not the target market :p11:21
fastawebvictim: by that I mean which problems it solves.11:22
fastawebvictim: and how well it solves them.11:22
fastawebvictim: the website justs list a bunch of components.11:22
fastawebvictim: it doesn't make any convincing argument anywhere as to how it compares to other tech.11:22
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deadsunHi11:30
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medhathello11:34
medhathi any body knows how to login to ubuntu cloud image the password don't showup while booting ?11:36
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fastaIs there any bullshit free introduction to OpenStack for people who are experts at distributed computing already?11:42
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fastaI am only finding buzzword compliant introductions.11:43
marcusmaybe you cloud take a look at the wikipedia article about it11:45
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dnaoriHi everyone, a question about nova-volumes with tgtd, isn't it a security problem that anyone that isn't blocked by iptables can discover and login the targets?11:48
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samba35how do i change openstack passwd or where i can check for username and passwd for dashboard12:04
samba35using ubuntu 12.0412:05
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melmothsamba35, i guess the answer is "with keystone"12:07
samba35how do i check keystone ,sorry i have no idea on keystone12:07
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melmothkeystone user-password-update --pass <password> <user-id>12:08
melmothkeysone user-list12:08
samba35ok12:09
melmothhowever, you need to have some env variable set to use keystone12:09
samba35Expecting authentication method via  ----- either a service token, --token or env[SERVICE_TOKEN ],   ------  or credentials, --os_username or env[OS_USERNAME].12:10
samba35can you please tell me what it mean12:10
melmothyou ll need at least SERVICE_ENDPOINT (the url where keystone listen) and SERVICE_TOKEN (define in /etc/keystone/keystone.conf)12:10
fastamarcus: I had already seen the wikipedia article on it and it doesn't tell me anything of interest.12:11
samba35ok12:11
Diopterfasta: What are you looking to find out exactly?12:11
fastamarcus: for example: is one supposed to call into Python libraries to integrate this into applications?12:11
Diopterfasta: No, RESTful API endpoints.12:11
fastaHow much does this object storage thing scale?12:12
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fastaIt said billions of objects in some slide.12:12
fastaDoes it have a configurable cost model?12:12
Diopterfasta: To many thousands of physical nodes successfully in production right now.12:12
fastaThings like that.12:12
fastaWhat are its current limitations? What does it do for security?12:13
Diopter"configurable cost model" can mean many things so you'd have to be more specific.12:13
fastaDiopter: I mean that communication costs across the planet are higher than doing it within a rack.12:13
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fastaDiopter: so, if you replicate something you want a notion of locality.12:14
fastaDiopter: and a cost function would be the best way to do that.12:15
fastaI.e. a cost model.12:15
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Diopterfasta: Sure. And you can do that to some degree with Swift, and a greater degree with Nova. There's notions of locality (affinity) in both.12:15
Diopterfasta: In Nova's case it's a function of the scheduler.12:15
fastaDiopter: does it have some kind of virtual file system too?12:16
fastaDiopter: i.e., a way to get rid of hardware solutions like RAID.12:16
fastaOr is the idea basically that one has to program with Openstack Swift objects?12:16
Diopterfasta: On top of the object storage system? No. Except in the minimal sense that it's a flat system of files.12:16
Diopterfasta: But that's assuming you're actually using object storage.12:17
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DiopterIf you don't, then you can either use volumes (which can be attached to individual instances) or local storage, which is local to the compute node12:17
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fastaDiopter: is a volume some virtual thing which is independent of hardware failure?12:18
marcushow can i figure out the openstack endpoint api url?12:18
Diopterfasta: Now, there's also CEPH, which is a filesystem abstraction.12:18
Diopterfasta: A volume is basically a wrapper around something common like iSCSI, so you can plug it into an existing SAN/NAS12:19
Diopterfasta: http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/1926969 <- there's also this effort by Gluster to abstract Swift and CEPH into one solution for objects or files12:20
fastaDiopter: and is there also something in place to scale up a database easily?12:20
fastaDiopter: e.g. PostgreSQL?12:20
Diopterfasta: MySQL is the usual database used for the infrastructure components, API storage, instance metadata, network information, etc.12:21
Diopterfasta: Clustering it easily is not currently part of Openstack proper. That's an ops function.12:21
fastaDiopter: you mean that a human needs to perform that function?12:22
fastaDiopter: or some very smart developer.12:22
Diopterfasta: Yes, assuming we're talking about the same thing.12:22
fastaDiopter: yes, things like moving tables from one machine to another, etc.12:22
fastaDiopter: load balancing.12:23
fastaDiopter: high availability, etc.12:23
Diopterfasta: So HA, maybe DR. That's not built-in, but it's also not really dictated by Openstack proper12:23
fastaDiopter: DR?12:23
DiopterDisaster Recovery12:23
ninkotech.. what is best HA solution for the database?12:23
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Diopterfasta: There's a significant component of DIY with respect to putting together the pieces; and as a result, there's a good dozen or so popular installers which put together the pieces for you in particular ways12:24
fastaDiopter: can you name a few?12:24
Diopterfasta: There might very well be one or two of them that load-balance an HA infra db for you12:24
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fastaDiopter: the HA infra db ones would be of most interest.12:24
fastaDiopter: assuming you are affiliated with this project, I think you would do good to hire a technical writer to write down very carefully what Openstack is and what it is not.12:25
Diopterfasta: Piston, CloudStack, StackOps...12:25
ninkotechcrowbar12:26
Diopterfasta: There's actually several professional technical writers working on it12:26
fastaDiopter: there are? Which document are they writing then?12:26
fastaDiopter: the documentation?12:26
DiopterThe manuals mostly, afaik. But I don't know very far on the specifics there :P12:26
fastaDiopter: perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see anything of substance on the website.12:26
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Diopterhttp://docs.openstack.org/12:27
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Diopterfasta: Anyhow, Openstack is not supposed to be a drop-in HPC replacement with Python libraries to do MPI-like things, so you can write your app "using Openstack" to cluster it infinitely.12:28
Diopterfasta: It's not app-oriented, if you follow my meaning12:29
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Diopterfasta: It's infrastructure-oriented, and exposes APIs over HTTP to perform scaling and infrastructure-wise operations12:29
fastaDiopter: what about a Google Maps clone?12:29
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Diopterfasta: You'd need to have the software that can understand "I need a new hadoop node, spin one up and join it to the cluster", or similar.12:30
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fastaDiopter: yeah, so those services are provided by OpenStack.12:30
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fastaDiopter: would you say it is a datacenter OS?12:31
Diopterfasta: Right. Upload an image, or spin up a node using an image, change security groups (networking ACLs), upload a key pair (ssh RSA/DSA)12:31
fastaDiopter: or a multi-datacenter OS?12:31
Diopterfasta: Has been successfully both. The latter through availability-zone type work12:31
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fastaDiopter: it would be easy to think that it's a half baked Amazon clone.12:32
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fastaDiopter: is it half baked or full baked already?12:32
Diopterfasta: Originally it was. EC2 API compatibility was achieved fairly early on I believe.12:33
Diopterfasta: As for now, I'd say it's decently divergent, and many features are rather full-baked, but12:33
Diopterfasta: Development is quite fast, and things can change relatively quickly12:34
Diopterfasta: So it's hard to call the trunk of such a project anything but a moving target12:34
fastaDiopter: do you have any QA in place?12:34
fastaDiopter: i.e. thousands of tests to check that releases do what they are supposed to do?12:34
Diopterfasta: Tons. Both dev and ops.12:34
fastaDiopter: by 'you', I mean the OpenStack project, btw.12:35
Diopterfasta: I figured12:35
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fastaYeah, I thought you did.12:35
fastaJust wanted to be clear :)12:35
* Diopter nods12:35
fastaDiopter: ok, thanks. I will read some additional white paper PDFs. Sounds interesting anyway.12:35
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DiopterCool. Glad to help out. Gotta take off now anyway, but have fun :)12:36
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sysadmin75Hello, Does anyone know if openstack supports equallogic storagelink?13:00
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fastaDoes the word 'cluster' imply anything beyond a set of servers which are typically used together to perform one service?13:24
fastaE.g. some kind of locality?13:24
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fastaIf I have one machine here and on the other side of the planet, can you call that a cluster?13:25
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darraghbtrying to build a deb package of horizon for natty using lp:~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/horizon/ubuntu/13:30
darraghbdebian/control file seems to have a lot of dependencies not actually required such as paste, pastedeploy, kombu, eventlet, crypto, sqlalchemy13:30
darraghbwondering why?13:30
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jongleurHi. Is there any useful documentation about how to use/not use... the userdata that can be defined at launch (using horizon)?13:34
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fastaWhat is a shared ip?13:36
fastaDoing that on a normal network (sharing an ip) generally is a bad thing.13:36
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fastaOr is it a 'virtual IP'?13:36
fastaMeaning that it basically just is some kind of shared unique number, and not necessarily an 'IP'?13:37
fastaE.g. can I ping it?13:37
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Diopterfasta: Just the bare concept of an OpenStack cluster doesn't imply much more than used together, and while you Can have multiple localities, I've generally seen our customers have disparate clusters for different localities.13:40
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Diopterfasta: However that might result in, say, running their web-app across the machines and Anycast the VIP to local load-balancers, etc13:40
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jongleuris it possible to upload a new Image using the dashboard?13:59
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IRC_USERDoes openstack support Live Migrations?14:22
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halfssyes14:26
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IRC_USERhalfss: Thank you, also do you know if it is possible to have the Dashboard in one location controlling the Compute Nodes across multiple datacenters?14:29
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halfssyes, but the if they use one glance,the network proformane will be an limit when create an instance or snapshot14:30
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vanchesterHello, openstackers. How can I enable https on keystone? I set enable = true option in ssl section in config file but keystone logging message like "code 400, message Bad request syntax".14:47
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Chocobo_Hi all, I am looking for a way to modify an instance on creation (add a new user, add keys, change passwords etc.)  it seems like the "User Data" is the way to do this but I can't find any documentation on it.  Does anyone have any good links?14:51
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Chocobo_nothing huh?  bummer :/15:02
koolhead11Chocobo_: cheack cloud-init15:04
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Chocobo_koolhead11: thanks15:05
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koolhead11Chocobo_: and yes not everyone has eye on channel everything so give sometime 4 response :)15:06
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Chocobo_koolhead11: Sorry.  Guess I got little pushy.  Didn't mean to :)15:07
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koolhead11Chocobo_: np :)15:08
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heraclidehello :)15:09
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heraclideI read carrefully the doc, but I didn't see if it would be a problem to have zones with different amount of devices ?15:10
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koolhead11heraclide: it should not be :)15:13
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heraclideyes, I think too, if not, it won't be able to use the whole space15:14
heraclidebut let's say I have to, what would be the consequences ? for example, 1 zone with 100 devices, 1 zone with 99 devices and 1 zone with 101 devices15:15
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halfsshi, is there anyone develop nova of openstack with multi zone?15:16
MathI anybody here using swift + keystone ? I am using swauth at the moment and I have some questions. I can get my token but can't create containers, is there a concept of admin user or acl ? If so, how do I set it ?15:16
Mathhalfss: you keep repeating the same question days after days. You're being too generic.15:17
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halfssMath: :(   i still do not fand how to develop this  :(15:17
koolhead11halfss: you meant deploy?15:18
halfsssorry, is  deploy15:19
halfss:(15:19
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makezanI've been making mad progress using a multi-nic setup, but i'll really like my 1nic setup to work properly. I've had several issues, like for example, bridge gets created, IP gets assigned but can't connect to vm, recently had api calls forbid my node to boot. Or other times, when node boots, it can't get out, or when node boot and get a floating IP, no one else on network can connect to it, can someone provide me with re15:21
makezanliable documentation, or at least something I can use as a comparision to what I already have15:21
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halfssmakezan: what's you network mode? flatdhcp?15:22
makezanI tried flatDHCP15:23
makezanor simply flat15:23
halfsswhen use flatdhcp with multi-nic, the route of vm maybe not correct15:23
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fastaWhat is a shared ip?15:25
makezanwhat do you change it to?15:25
fastaContext: "A shared IP group is a collection of servers that can share IPs with other members of the group. Any server in a group can share one or more public IPs with any other server in the group. With the exception of the first server in a shared IP group, servers must be launched into shared IP groups. A server may only be a member of one shared IP group."15:26
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makezanor halfss what route do you add15:28
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halfssmakezan: the first nova's network route15:30
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halfssnova just add the iptables of fixed_range if nova.conf15:31
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vanchesterOpenstackers, in keystone endpoint's config what the role of internalurl, adminurl and publicurl?15:42
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Mathvanchester: internal, for intercommunications between openstack project, public, for your end user, admin, for admin tasks15:46
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fm255005how long does it usually take an instance to boot?16:28
fm255005mine are taking a while16:28
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BLZbubba_fm255005: well16:43
BLZbubba_the default ubuntu UEC images boot almost immediately16:44
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BLZbubba_like the first time i launched one it was up before i could bring up an xterm and run ping16:44
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BLZbubba_but the first time you boot a new image it can be painful because nova-compute copies it a couple of times16:45
BLZbubba_run "top" and see what is going on16:46
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BLZbubba_ok can anyone recommend a VNC client that lets me sent ctrl+alt+function keys?16:46
BLZbubba_send16:46
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fm255005i have images that take like 5 min to boot16:47
fm255005i created the image from susestudio.com16:47
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fm255005virt manager16:48
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vanchesterMath, thanks, it was obvious, but i realized my mistake)16:58
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BLZbubba_fm255005: how long til the kvm process starts?17:04
BLZbubba_you can connect to vnc on the console and see what's going on17:04
BLZbubba_i'll make a wild-ass guess and say that sendmail is choking because of a dns problem17:05
BLZbubba_but it could be just about anything17:05
Mathvanchester: np17:05
BLZbubba_you may have to use ssh port forwarding for VNC to work since it listens on 127.0.0.1 by default17:05
BLZbubba_or else if you are a masochist, get the nova vnc proxy working17:05
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fm255005yea vnc kicks in right away17:07
fm255005but it takes a while for it to get the ip address17:07
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fm255005im able to ssh in to the machine and everytihng works, it just takes a long time to boot17:07
fm255005it could be my image17:07
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Dieterbeif you have more than 1 swift proxy, do you *have* to set up a loadbalancer in front? or can the clients be given the list of proxy servers and than they'll pick a random one from it? (and switch to another if it fails)17:20
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fm255005is there any perfomance differences between using different image types, qco2, ami, raw17:34
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fm255005are*17:34
Diopterfm255005: Yes.17:37
notmynameDieterbe: your scheme will work (that's essentially what round robin DNS does)17:37
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fm255005so which image boots the fastest17:40
fm255005qcow2?17:40
fm255005ami?17:40
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fm255005or builds the fastest17:40
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Dieterbenotmyname: "my scheme will work"... so are you confirming the clients can be configured with a list of proxies, and they'll pick random proxies and do failover themselves?17:46
notmynameDieterbe: the proxies don't do failover. but the client can do it (that's what I thought you were describing)17:47
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Dieterbenotmyname: yes indeed. ok thanks17:47
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ChocoboSo this is sort of unrelated... the University I work/attend has their own gmail login server.  Is there a way to find out if they have an OpenID endpoint?17:50
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Dieterbenotmyname: your answer the other day confused me. you said if a disk fails, the replicator will not create new replicas to satisfy the desired replication factor?17:54
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BLZbubba_fm255005: does vnc show you where the slowdown is?19:09
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BLZbubba_i would expect the startup screen to give you a clue19:09
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fm255005i figured out what it was19:16
fm255005i had libvirt_type set to qemu instead of kvm19:16
fm255005huge difference19:16
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fm255005if you have a compute node does the nova.conf have to be identical to the cloud controller?19:19
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fm255005or do you change the ip addresses in the nova.conf of the cloud controller to that of the compute node?19:20
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mnaserSilly question.  How can an account that has an admin role display all servers from another tenant? (or is that not possible)?19:22
mnasernova list --all_tenants 119:23
mnasergotcha19:23
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Aatonso what does "quota_injected_files=5" actually do in the nova.conf? The only info google seems to find is "(IntOpt) number of injected files allowed" but that doesn't really explain anything since I don't know what these "indected files" are19:25
Aatons/indected/injected19:25
ninkotechAaton: btw, beware of injecting mercury! (or alluminium).19:26
ninkotechi am nto really sure, but this might be configuration injection limit19:26
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ninkotechAaton: best is to grep sources for that19:27
ninkotech:D19:27
ninkotechpython is usually very readable19:27
Aatonyea, there is a lot of grep -r lately in setting up openstack...19:27
ninkotechbe glad, you cant grep -r into azure sources19:28
ninkotech:D19:28
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mnaserAaton: quota_injected_files limits the amonut of files a user can inject (at boot up afaik)19:33
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Aatonyea that makes no sense to me. those files referring to the the initrd, kernel, image?19:37
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niedbalskiHello19:38
niedbalski2012-07-11 15:37:45 TRACE nova.rpc.common   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/amqplib/client_0_8/method_framing.py", line 221, in read_method19:38
niedbalski2012-07-11 15:37:45 TRACE nova.rpc.common     raise m19:38
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niedbalski2012-07-11 15:37:45 TRACE nova.rpc.common IOError: Socket closed19:38
niedbalskiany ideas?19:38
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niedbalskithe amqp server is listening19:38
niedbalski(rabbit)19:38
niedbalski2012-07-11 15:37:50 INFO nova.rpc.common [req-2d609593-edb8-4e6c-bfff-7402dcba11c8 d6a588524e6d406588dcca9e132f756d 01eae2f9ed9c4cb6bf0d3a759947dc2a] Reconnecting to AMQP server on 192.168.100.234:567219:39
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mnaserniedbalski: i would argue hat it's probably not listening19:42
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mnaseror atleast not at the right place because it cant get in touch with there19:42
niedbalskiroot@controller-node:/home/ubuntu# telnet 192.168.100.234 567219:42
niedbalskiTrying 192.168.100.234...19:42
niedbalskiConnected to 192.168.100.234.19:42
niedbalskiEscape character is '^]'.19:42
niedbalskiquit19:42
niedbalskiAMQPConnection closed by foreign host.19:42
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moj0risingHello. I'm having some trouble spinning up my first VM in OpenStack. I get this error: WARNING nova.scheduler.manager [req-6be4d30b-1282-4b3e-925a-75b970bb3eea 1ded328b317747ce9e650257bd1969b0 383af557531c426e87f8d9288c459f1f] Setting instance 44eb34ec-9d25-4c16-a559-cadf5adf5e8e to ERROR state.21:00
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moj0risingin the nova-scheduler log. Can anyone tell me what eh issue might be? I've checked the docs and Google but haven't found anything applicable to my situation.21:02
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tonglido nova-network component and nova-compute component have to run on the same host when use FlatDHCP configuration?21:09
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tonglican some one tell me if this is a requirement? wanted to have nova-compute and nova-network running on the different hosts.21:10
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agytongli: it's not a requirement, but it will depend if you're using multi_host or not (the default is not)21:19
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tongli@agy, not using multi_host.21:19
agytongli: then you should be fine (it's what i do)21:19
tongli@agy, just want to have multiple nova-compute nodes.21:19
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tonglihave one host running keystone, glance, volume, nova-api, nova-network, nova-scheduler.21:20
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tonglihave another host running nova-compute alone. trying to use FlatDHCP with one NIC on each host.21:20
tonglihaving problems with public IP. that is the reason why I asked the question.21:21
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tongli@agy, wondering if you use FlatDHCP on your configuration?21:22
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tongli@agy, ping21:25
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agytongli: i do. some of my set ups are very similar to what you have21:27
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tongli@agy, can you share your nova.conf? having problems and stuck here for some time. very frustrated.21:28
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agytongli: http://paste.openstack.org/show/19355/ - don't take this as gospel as i a) needed to change the ip ranges and could have typo'ed and b) the config has been updated from pre-diablo to essex21:39
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tongli@agy, thanks. you have two NICs.21:40
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agytongli: one is only used for the floating ips... aah i may have misunderstood your problem21:41
tongli@agy, I mean two NICs per host, these NICs are all connected?21:42
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agytongli: one nic per compute node and two on the nova-network node21:42
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tongli@agy, ah, ok, so eth1 is connected to your network, but eth0 is just there for the private network, right?21:43
agynet ->| nova-network node |->| nova-compute node |21:43
tongliok. all right , thanks so much for your help. I will try few more things and see if I can get this thing working. have a great night.21:44
agynova-network node needs ip_forwarding turned on21:44
tongliyes. that is right, I did not do that.21:45
agytongli: np. hih21:45
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tongli@agy, really appreciate your help.21:47
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RamJettI there a way to upgrade kernel and initrd in my AMI format images. I want to do this on running instances ..upgrade and reboot with new. Any documentation on this?23:15
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