Friday, 2012-09-14

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jkffHi. I'm trying to set up logging for Horizon into a file using Django logging with a FileHandler, but nothing shows up in the log.  See paste http://pastebin.com/XEaV4GNS . What have I done wrong?00:41
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jkffNothing shows up in the log after I log in to Horizon and click through a few sections00:41
jkffMaybe nothing is supposed to?...00:41
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050711 in glance "Log WARNING messages: Overwriting scheme file with.." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105071102:55
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050723 in nova "Guestfs make 10s configurable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105072303:51
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050797 in nova "user_data can't be passed in xml" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105079708:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050807 in horizon "Translations should be updated" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105080708:40
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050817 in nova "Refresh translations" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105081709:00
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wicaHi, nova does not bring up my bridge interface10:46
wicaWhere do I start to look for a problem?10:46
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uksysadminhi wica, what OS and version of OpenStack?11:12
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_3N74_4v1Dheya11:17
_3N74_4v1Dmelmoth , alive ? :)11:17
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wicauksysadmin: Ubuntu 12.04.1 Essex11:28
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_3N74_4v1Dis there a any dashboard plugin for swift??11:31
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foexlewica: do you have configured the bridge and interface as you created your network ?12:04
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foexleuksysadmin: ahoi :)12:07
wicafoexle: Nop, I did not configure the bridge and interface12:08
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wicafoexle: I have a other server, also with the same version of openstack, and there it is working12:11
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wicaSo I guess I made a configure error somewhere12:11
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andymccrwica, are you running any instances on that node? I believe the bridge interface only comes once the first instance is started.12:17
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wicaandymccr: I'm running no instances on this node for now12:18
andymccrok - if you start an instance (just to test) it should create the bridge interface12:19
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wicaI do that now :)12:19
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uksysadminhey foexle12:20
uksysadminsorry I replied and then went off to the pub. :-S12:20
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uksysadminwica, do you have the bridge-utils package installed?12:21
wicaYep12:21
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wicaI can create the bridge manual12:21
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050901 in python-novaclient "nova delete <name> not working for admin user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105090112:46
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joeblowcan someone recommend an install script similar to devstack but for production use?13:20
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wicaandymccr: Thnx, starting a instance, created the bridge13:24
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mancdazjoeblow: how 'production' does it need to be?13:36
uvirtbotNew bug: #1050922 in nova "User friendly message is not displayed when server actions are requested  through curl commands" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105092213:36
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050924 in nova "Duplicate MAC Addresses generated during Create Server stress tests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105092413:40
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joeblowmancdaz - survive reboots13:43
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zykes-joeblow: survive reboot how ?13:46
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joeblowzykes: The devstack script is great but it contains no startup scripts.13:49
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zykes-joeblow: use puppet or do it manually ? ;p13:50
ttxjoeblow: or deploy distribution packages13:50
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joeblowzykes: That is an option, yes. Thank you13:51
larsksjoeblow: Even using distribution packages you still have a lot of work to get things configured. There are Puppet modules available that will help you with much of the configuration (but it takes a while to understand the Puppet modules, too).13:51
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mancdazjoeblow: try the iso installer from rackspace?13:58
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mancdazhttp://www.rackspace.com/cloud/private/13:59
mancdaz(I work for rackspace btw)13:59
mancdazfull disclosure :)13:59
zynzelmancdaz: so i have question ;)13:59
zynzelhow do you scale floating-ip? ;)13:59
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zynzelwe can add /16 for floating-ip but big, flat 64k IPs network is not good idea ;)14:00
joeblowmancdaz: I will give that a try14:00
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desaizynzel: scaling floating ips is easy; it is fixed that is hard14:04
desaithere is plenty of rfc1918 space, so starting with /23s isn't a bad idea14:05
mancdazjoeblow: good stuff - give me a ping if you have any issues14:05
zynzeldesai: scaling fixed ips is so easy. ;)14:05
zynzeldesai: yeah, great you have /23 but what then?14:05
desaiprovided you've got a big routable space, sure ;)14:05
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zynzelgot /16 in one VLAN?14:06
joeblowmancdaz  - Thank you!14:06
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desaiit turns out (at least a year ago) that a single nova-network server can only handle (iirc) 512 addresses (for fixed)14:06
desaithat caused a problem when we tried to aim a /19 at it ;)14:06
zynzeldesai: i have multi_host nova-network14:06
zynzelbut dont have any good idea to scale floating-ip.14:07
desaihow many vms is it feasible to have in a single tenant?14:07
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desaiie what is your goal scale?14:07
zynzelon our env each compute node can have different fixed-ip network14:07
zynzelwith diff vlan.14:07
desaisure14:07
desaiit isn't an artifact of different vlans14:07
zynzeldesai: <9000 VMs per availability zone14:08
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desaiwhen we ran into issues (and you'd see it with multihost unless this restriction has been removed), was the number of ip aliases an interface could support14:08
zynzelso we should have big floating-ip range in one VLAN14:08
zynzelwhich is not a good idea.14:08
desaiit was either 256 or 51214:08
desaiwhy not run with VlanManager?14:08
desaithen you don't need all vms in a single broadcast domain14:08
zynzeldesai: and what vlanmanager change with floating-ip?14:08
zynzelnothing ;)14:08
desaia lot actually14:09
desaiwith vlanmanager, each tenant ends up with its own network14:09
zynzeldesai: with own fixed-ip network14:09
zynzelnot float.14:09
desaii think you might have them swapped (or i might)14:09
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desaitoo early14:09
zynzelimho networkmanager can change only fixed-ip configuaration14:09
zynzeland dont have anything to do with float-ip14:10
zynzelbut i can be wrong.14:10
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desaisorry, had them swapped14:10
desaiso fixed is easy14:10
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desaiwith floating ips, what is the problem? it is just a matter of having enough ips to go around, and enough n-net servers to be able to serve them, right?14:11
zynzeldesai: not really14:11
desaiwhat is the issue?14:11
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desaiwe've not seen issues yet, but we're only running with a few /23s of floating addresses14:11
zynzelevery compute-node in availability zone should have ONE float-ip network14:11
zynzelwith one VLAN14:11
zynzelso you have vlan, with for example 9k IPs14:12
desaii don't think there is a requirement that the addresses come in on the same vlan14:12
zynzelthis is not good idea, better this is worse idea ever ;)14:12
desaito each nova-network node14:12
desai(combined in your case)14:12
zynzeldesai: if they are in other vlan, how to route them?14:12
zynzelfixed-ip->float-ip mapping is in postrouting14:13
desaimulti-host is going to cause some issues here, i think14:13
desaiyeah14:13
desaithat is part of the issue14:13
desaiand it needs to happen on the n-net on the same machine as the n-compute14:13
desaithat isn't the case in non-multi-host nova-network setups14:13
zynzelbut multi-host is great for HA14:13
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desaialso for performance14:13
desaibut everything has a cost ;)14:13
zynzelyeah, but one solution is for OSPF between nova-network... ;D14:14
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desaiyeah, we ran that way for a while14:14
zynzelbut having 4*3*32 quagga instances14:14
desaibut i'm not sure that helps you with floating ips14:14
zynzelis not great idea ;)14:14
zynzelit is not*14:14
desaisince floating ips are virtual until the re-writing occurs14:14
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desaialso, ospf won't converge at that scale ;)14:15
desainot in any kind of timescale you want anyway14:15
zynzelyeah, you are right14:15
zynzelso i try to solve this issue.14:15
zynzel;)14:15
desaiwell, at least you don't shoot for easy problems ;)14:15
desaii dunno if quantum would help with this14:15
kbringardit may… it just depends on what output plugin you're using14:16
zynzelalso dont know, but try to contact with peaople from rackspace14:16
zynzelor amazon ;)14:16
desaibut you could try to push the floating-ip rewriting into the multi-host n-net14:16
desaiand then use ospf for the outbound path14:16
desaibasically, split the function of the floating-ips14:16
desairewriting on the node, and putting the packets on the wire at some dedicated boxes14:17
desaiyou'd still need a big number of them, but you could make them a subset of your nodes14:17
kbringarddesai: that is a very good idea14:17
zynzeli change some big stuff in OS installation14:17
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zynzelbut dont want to mess in that also ;)14:17
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desaizynzel: unfortunately, i think that is probably your only option14:17
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desaithere are unfortunately few people running at the 1k scale or larger, so you're going to be disappointed if you expect the mainline code to work out of the box14:18
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zynzeldesai: i dont even dream to have OS out of box ;)14:19
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desaior even easier, you could add an extra vlan tag to the floating ip table, and plumb that up on the n-net14:19
zynzelwe change availability zone code, flatdhcpmanager code, and many many more14:19
zynzel;)14:19
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zynzeldesai: you already can have vlan tag in db (interface, you can insert address with int eth0.358)14:20
desaiwe've luckily been able to change less and less with each release; bexar was rough, but now we're just doing custom scheduling stuff14:20
zynzelbut then you have problem with routing.14:20
desaii don't follow that14:20
desaiif the floating ip is pegged to a vlan, then you can just setup the rewriting and alias and go to town, right?14:21
Dieterbehey guys, anyone kow of easy scripted ways (pref. using vagrant/ virtualisation and puppet/chef) to get a simple swift cluster running on a workstation for testing purposes?  i found some resources on the net, but they seem outdated or still to complicated14:21
zynzeldesai: not really14:21
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zynzelif you have 2 vlan for example: eth0.10 with network 1.1.1.0/24 and eth0.11 with network 1.1.2.0/2414:21
zynzeleth0.10 is yours default route14:21
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zynzelso if user assign floating IP from 1.1.2.0/24, traffic will go out with eth0.11 interface14:22
zynzelbeacause mapping fixed-ip to floating-ip is AFTER routing decision14:22
desaiah14:22
zynzelgo out with eth0.10*14:23
zynzelsorry ;)14:23
desaithat suggests the re-writing should be happening earlier, right?14:23
desaiis there a place in netfilter to support that?14:23
zynzeldesai: yeah, but this is not possible14:23
zynzelbecause of iptables works14:23
zynzelsnat only work in postrouting chain14:23
desaidoh. then splitting it to multiple machines is probably the only way to make it work then14:24
desaior doing it in hardware somewhere else14:24
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desaiat this scale, that might be worth looking into anyway14:24
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zynzelim curious how rackspace or maybe amazon solve this issue.14:26
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zynzeli know they have not 'clean' OS, but maybe any inspiration ;)14:26
desaii gather amazon uses expensive network gear for this14:27
zynzeldesai: we have expensive network hw ;)14:27
zynzel(dont know if that expensive as amazon)14:27
desaiunfortunately, even expensive networking gear doesn't usually have a rich NAT feature set14:28
zykes-solve what zynzel ?14:28
zynzelbut dont have any idea how to solve this to scane horizontally14:28
zynzelscale*14:28
desaifor example, our 100GE stuff just won't do anything well enough there14:28
zynzelzykes-: scale floating-ip14:28
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zykes-zynzel: vyatta vPlane maybe ?14:28
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zynzelzykes-: must read about that, wait a minute14:29
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zykes-zynzel: it's like network virtualization happening in switches but for routing14:29
zykes-as far as I can understand14:30
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zynzeldont see any tech, how this really works14:31
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Diopterzynzel: You're confused about how you route floating IPs when they're in a different VLAN than your default route?14:43
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zynzelDiopter: yeah14:43
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DiopterWell Rackspace just multi-nets the VLANs. Which is the simplest solution.14:44
DiopterThough you can absolutely use policy-routing in Linux to do it differently.14:44
zynzelDiopter: can you tell more about 'multi nets'?14:45
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Diopterzynzel: Just means handling more than one network in a given VLAN.14:46
zynzelDiopter: so you have big flat network14:47
zynzelwith for example 8k IPs14:47
zynzeland this flat network is available for every compute/network node in availability zone14:47
zynzel....14:47
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zynzeland imho this sux ;)14:48
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Diopterzynzel: There's lots of ways to skin this cat. Multi-netting is one of them. Doesn't have to all be flat. You can also route one VLAN through another one, for instance.14:52
Diopterzynzel: Or policy-route on the host, like I mentioned.14:52
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wicaIs it possible, to manual create a bridge, So that nova-network can use this one?14:52
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wicaThis because, I need to access some hosts in the same vlan, as the bridge14:53
Diopterwica: Sure. Just make your bridge... and tell nova about it. Generally by specifying its name in your nova network creation.14:54
wicaDiopter: So, nova will not complain about a allready existing bridge?14:54
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wicaThat is nice ;)14:54
Diopterwica: Nope. It will just try to enslave the appropriate interfaces, maybe move some IPs. Same thing it does when it creates one for you, if the nova config demands it14:55
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zynzelDiopter: but policy route is messy with networking code14:56
Diopterzynzel: No it's not, it's super easy. Especially on linux.14:56
DiopterYou create a separate routing table, and add a routing rule to specify the policy which uses that table.14:56
zynzelDiopter: yeah, but if you have for example 512 compute nodes14:57
wicaDiopter: Ok, thnx14:57
zynzelyou waste 512 ips for every vlan, to address only compute nodes14:57
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zynzelbecause each compute node must be in each vlan14:57
Diopterzynzel: IF those are your requirements, then it's not a waste. It's a requirement.14:58
zynzel;))14:58
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Diopterzynzel: If you need separate networks, and you need the nodes to be on those separate networks, then you need IPs for each node in each network. If you don't then you don't. :P15:00
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DiopterRouting is a secondary question to what architecture you need.15:00
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zynzelmust sleep with that problem ;)15:02
zynzelif anyone have any other idea, pls ping me ;)15:02
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swinchenShould I add endpoints for all the nodes connected to the cloud controller?  When I do that I get this when I run "nova list":  "ERROR: n/a (HTTP 400)"15:13
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swinchenI guess I am not sure what the endpoints are used for.15:22
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swinchennevermind, I guess nova-compute is not really an endpoint...  it doesn't seem to listen on a port.15:36
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swinchenso.. endpoints only exist on a cloud controller? (something running nova-api)?15:37
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mancdazswinchen: endpoints  are per service15:40
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mancdazservices are generally things like glance, keystone, nova-api, nova-volume15:41
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mancdazthe endpoint for a service is where you can acces that service15:42
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swinchenmancdaz: so nova-compute is not a service though..15:42
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swinchen?15:42
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swinchenI have a node and all it is running is nova-compute.  I am not sure if I create an endpoint for that node or not15:43
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Natanaielas I understood openstack components could be installed on serveral systems & how can we manage security in relationship between components15:54
NatanaielI mean the encryption between components to prevent sniffing ...15:54
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koapsNatanaiel: if you are really worried about it you can probably just setup Stunnel connections16:10
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050979 in nova ""deleting" instances prevent security group deletion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105097916:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050982 in nova "ensure_default_security_group() does not call sgh" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105098216:21
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1050997 in nova "adminPass and access IP information can't be passed in XML" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105099716:56
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joern_hi all17:10
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joern_can I install devstack on the desktop version of Ubuntu, or do I need Ubuntu Server?17:11
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joern_anyone?17:13
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hemnano reason why you can't install devstack on it17:14
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gatuus64 bits ubuntu17:15
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joern_ok cool, thanks! will try that later17:16
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ejmartenYou can install devstack on the desktop version of Ubuntu.17:22
ejmartenI installed it on my laptop.17:23
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mkfmnare there any new developments in the web based user interface administration projects?17:25
mkfmnor demos?17:25
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swinchenif your cloudy controller is beefy (16 core, 128GB) is there any reason to not also run VMs on it?17:37
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051007 in python-novaclient "Work around httplib2 tunnelling bug" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105100717:41
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051010 in nova "Can't delete instances using old libvirt (oneiric)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105101017:45
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chandan_kumarHello everybody17:59
chandan_kumari want to develop a client library as a frontend to CDMI implementation over17:59
chandan_kumarOpenStack Swift.17:59
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chandan_kumari need some help to work on this topic.17:59
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notmynamechandan_kumar: cool. how can I help?18:02
reedsomebody that can please update this page: http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/ as it's old today18:03
reedhttp://www.openstack.org/blog/2012/09/openstack-governance-elections-autumn-2012-results/18:03
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chandan_kumarnotmyname, i requires to create a module in python  where i can implement cdmi over openstack.18:04
chandan_kumarnotmyname, i need help to how to proceed on the same?18:04
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notmynamechandan_kumar: I'm not very familiar with CDMI, but I know there is a plugin for swift that implements the CDMI API. is that what you're using? you have a swift cluster that supports CDMI and you're writing a client app for that?18:05
chandan_kumarnotmyname, plugin for swift that implements the CDMI API, i am working on this.18:07
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chandan_kumars/working/using18:08
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notze_can i build a swift system with only 1 server?18:24
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notmynamenotze_: sure18:26
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notze_great18:27
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notmynamenotze_: you can build a "Swift All In One" (SAIO) and simulate multiple servers http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html18:28
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notmynamenotze_: the SAIO is the "best" way to use one server. I'd recommend using more that one server (for durability and availability reasons) in a prod environment18:28
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notze_yeah i know18:33
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notze_but its only trial purpose18:33
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051036 in openstack-manuals "Task: add a note about snatted vms" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105103619:01
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051046 in python-swiftclient "get_object does not allow user-provided headers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105104619:21
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datajerkSomeone just asked me if there was an OpenStack certification for professionals.  Any word of something like this?19:56
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WormManI think if you use openstack you're already certified20:04
WormManer, sorry, that's certifiable20:04
WormMannever mind20:04
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zodiakopenstack certification ?! what are we ? cisco ?20:06
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WormManwell, isn't that next after you have a foundation? some high priced certification to pay the bills?20:11
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zodiakif you are gullible, then yes20:18
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051063 in nova "nova quota-update not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105106320:21
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051066 in nova "starting multiple VMs causes some to be stuck in BUILDING" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105106620:26
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joern_i just installed and ran devstack on an ubuntu vm. I restarted the vm and now I no longer can connect to to my local openstack server. It tells me [Errno 1111] connection refused. What happened? Do i need to launch openstack manually again?20:33
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zodiakjoern_ yes20:36
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zodiakdevstack does NOT persist across restarts20:36
joern_how do i restart it? I tried executing stack.sh again, but that didnt work20:36
zodiakit certainly should20:36
joern_hmmmm20:38
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joern_odd, second try worked...20:41
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joern_thanks zodiak20:42
zodiaknot a problem20:42
infernixif I only have two servers across two datacenters, how would I set up swift?20:42
infernixsimply run all 4 services on both?20:43
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infernixor actually, if I want to do this right - don't I need at least one storage server (account+container+object) per datacenter and one proxy server per datacenter, e.g. 4 servers total?20:45
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noob2is there a way to reset nova-manage service list?  my processes died and even though they came back the service list won't update anymore20:49
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051069 in nova "backup fails to reset instance task_state to None" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105106920:51
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joern_is this the correct page to get a server image url for openstack on ubuntu precise? http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/precise/current/20:58
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noob2seems right20:59
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joern_ok, i added some image from there and I get the notification "image has been queued for creation"21:00
joern_there doesnt seem to happen anything else21:00
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joern_do i need to execute that queue or where can i see the status of it?21:02
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joern_do i need to shut down my local openstack server gracefully or can i just shutdown the host system?21:07
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noob2i'd search throug the logs for errors21:08
noob2sounds like one of your services is broken21:08
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joern_can i just reinstall openstack to fix that? overall i have no idea what i am doing21:12
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noob2just cd /var/log/nova21:14
noob2grep -ri error .21:14
noob2you'll see some stuff pop up that will put you in the right direction21:14
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joern_thanks, i will try that21:17
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1051081 in keystone "HTTPD config file errors" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105108121:26
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Vinsh_HPmtaylor,  Devstack use on my multi-node setup over the last 2 weeks :  Active Instances: 88 Active RAM: 57GB This Month's VCPU-Hours: 22753.75 This Month's GB-Hours: 57518.1622:03
Vinsh_HPNot bad :)22:03
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cryptkso, working on getting nova-compute up and running with xapi, getting the following in nova-compute.log "KeyError: 'get_connection'"22:52
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cryptkgive me a moment and I will pastebin the whole trace22:53
cryptkfull trace: http://pastebin.com/5KksNfce22:53
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mtaylorVinsh_HP: AWESOME22:57
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mtaylorVinsh_HP: I wanna chat with you about some things - but I'm in a  bar right now, so perhaps monday22:57
mtaylor :)22:57
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cryptkdoh, figured it out22:57
cryptknova.virt.libvirt.firewall.IptablesFirewallDriver <<< in docs, but is wrong22:58
cryptknova.virt.firewall.IptablesFirewallDriver <<< correct22:58
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