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garysu | Has anyone tried to use DevStack to deploy a new private dev cloud since the Folsom release? | 01:57 |
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garysu | I have tried multiple combination this weekend and none of them complete successfully - well they complete, but things like Cinder aren't working and I can't upload images etc. | 01:58 |
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IR8387 | hello to everyone! | 04:35 |
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omenar | I'm working on my thesis project, and what I need to do is deploy two availability zones (in two different cities) and make it work with OS... | 04:38 |
omenar | I know that availability zones is a concept of Amazon... | 04:38 |
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omenar | and well, I deployed a cloud and is working, but know I need to move to the next step (two availability zones)... but I'm kinda lost with it... I don't know what I need to do :S | 04:39 |
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omenar | someone has any piece of advise for me? =) | 04:40 |
omenar | (as you can see, english is not my native language (sorry about that)) | 04:40 |
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lifeless | omenar: ignore availability zones, just deploy regions | 04:52 |
lifeless | omenar: which is the step up | 04:53 |
lifeless | omenar: e.g. deploy two independent clouds | 04:53 |
koaps | hey does any use quantum and openvswitch? | 04:53 |
koaps | s/any/anyone/ | 04:53 |
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omenar | lifeless: and how can I make work the two regions (different deployments) as one "big"cloud?? | 04:56 |
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lifeless | omenar: well, you don't really, they are separate - same as for Amazon | 04:57 |
lifeless | omenar: you use tools that can talk to multiple regions | 04:57 |
omenar | lifeless: any examples of those tools? | 04:57 |
lifeless | omenar: Amazon's availability zones don't provide much isolation - in most of their outages the whole region goes down, not just one availability zone | 04:57 |
lifeless | omenar: any cloud library that lets you configure region should be able to do it | 04:58 |
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omenar | lifeless: thanks for your help! :) | 04:59 |
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Slid3rD | Hi all. | 07:24 |
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blimus | Is there a quick way to perform distinct node lookup benchmarks ? | 08:14 |
blimus | in swift | 08:14 |
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uksysadmin | hello all | 09:01 |
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melmoth | hola ! | 09:04 |
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uksysadmin | melmoth, how are you? | 09:14 |
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melmoth | uksysadmin, i m fine ! starting to read about folsom... | 09:17 |
melmoth | never touched quantum yet. nor cinder. | 09:17 |
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* uksysadmin is currently installing Folsom | 09:18 | |
uksysadmin | it's been like 4 days since its release - I'm so behind the times. ;-) | 09:18 |
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NuxRo | uksysadmin: which distro? | 09:21 |
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uksysadmin | NuxRo, Ubuntu 12.04 using CloudArchive | 09:21 |
NuxRo | aha | 09:21 |
NuxRo | anyone installed folsom on centos 6 yet? | 09:22 |
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Triade | Hi there | 10:43 |
blimus | lo | 10:43 |
Triade | I follow the OpenStack doc here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/EnablingQuantumManager-d1e453.html | 10:43 |
Triade | I put: network_manager=nova.network.quantum.manager.QuantumManager in nova.conf | 10:43 |
Triade | but when nova compute starts, I have the following error: | 10:44 |
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Triade | CRITICAL nova [-] No module named quantum.manager | 10:44 |
Triade | ImportError: No module named quantum.manager | 10:44 |
Triade | any idea? | 10:44 |
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Triade | maybe a problem of version? | 10:45 |
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Triade | someone here? | 10:54 |
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ijw | If I'm trying to do client code in Python, should I be starting with novaclient.client.Client() ? | 11:08 |
ijw | I'm finding a surprising lack of documentation on the subject at the moment. | 11:09 |
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ijw | Or is that not intended to be an API for public consumption? | 11:11 |
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koolhead17 | ijw: did you had chance to go through docs? | 11:14 |
koolhead17 | especially http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-novaclient/ | 11:14 |
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koolhead17 | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-compute/2/content/ | 11:15 |
koolhead17 | ijw: file a bug on launchpad with missing API doc incase you think we missed something. cheers | 11:15 |
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ijw | Aha. I was expecting to find something in the document on http://docs.openstack.org/api/ temptingly named 'Programming Openstack Compute API with Shell and Python' | 11:16 |
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ijw | But it doesn't mention novaclient.client.Client() at all (and skimming the code is misleading, too - client.py's top 90% is "this is obviously an internal HTTP REST client" and the bottom 10% is "this is the main entry point to nova API programming", but you've got bored by that point) | 11:17 |
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ijw | (that said, I see I've got the wrong entry point, ho hum) | 11:19 |
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koolhead17 | ijw: best way shoot a mail with your queries in the mailing list or file a bug making openstack doc | 11:25 |
ijw | koolhead17: yeah, first I need to work out what the problem is that I'm having ;) | 11:26 |
koolhead17 | ijw: good. just dont assume and come to any conclusion without kicking/hitting every corner :) | 11:27 |
ijw | I think the issue is that if python-novaclient contains the preferred Python API bindings, as it seems to, then it takes you a while to get to the point that you realise that (because nothing no api.openstack.org says that, and it's not even terribly clear that these are not simply internal functions that are subject to change without notice) | 11:27 |
Triade | I follow the OpenStack doc here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/EnablingQuantumManager-d1e453.html | 11:27 |
Triade | I put: network_manager=nova.network.quantum.manager.QuantumManager in nova.conf | 11:27 |
Triade | but when nova compute starts, I have the following error: | 11:27 |
Triade | CRITICAL nova [-] No module named quantum.manager | 11:27 |
Triade | ImportError: No module named quantum.manager | 11:27 |
Triade | Any idea? How to use Quantum with Nova? | 11:27 |
ijw | Triade: step one is probably to use Folsom, if that's an option for you, rather than Essex | 11:28 |
Triade | I am using Folsom | 11:29 |
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Triade | ijw, I am using Folsom, but there is a very light documentation about how to use Quantum. And no example of nova.conf directives | 11:32 |
koolhead17 | Triade: pas -ef | grep quantum-server | 11:32 |
ijw | You're looking at the Essex documentation | 11:32 |
Triade | koolhead17: quantum 3405 1 0 12:37 ? 00:00:08 python /usr/bin/quantum-server --config-file /etc/quantum/quantum.conf --log-file /var/log/quantum/server.log --config-file /etc/quantum/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_quantum_plugin.ini | 11:33 |
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Triade | pok | 11:33 |
Triade | ok* | 11:33 |
koolhead17 | Triade: so its running | 11:34 |
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Triade | yes | 11:34 |
Triade | ok | 11:34 |
Triade | changed to | 11:35 |
Triade | network_api_class=nova.network.quantumv2.api.API | 11:35 |
Triade | I will try to launch instances now | 11:35 |
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Triade | nova-compute started correctly | 11:35 |
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oneiroi | anyone have qpidd clustering ? or replicating in some form? | 11:56 |
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swmy | hi | 13:16 |
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Triade | Someone know if quantum-server automatically populate the database? I create a fresh one to switch from a plugin to another, but no table are created | 13:55 |
Triade | is there a command to do it? | 13:56 |
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zykes- | Triade: it creates the database when you start it initially (The schema that is)= | 13:58 |
zykes- | items are put in when you run commands towards the api using the clinet | 13:59 |
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Triade | humm | 13:59 |
Triade | but database remains empty | 13:59 |
Triade | I have errors in logs: no such tables when I list the networks | 14:00 |
Triade | tables are not created... | 14:00 |
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blimus | with swift, how can I workout / benchmark how long a distinct node lookup is taking. I have a single proxy with 100% CPU and I am wondering if my partition power is causing the issue. | 14:20 |
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annegentle | ijw: I have some work on my backlog to redirect docs.openstack.org/api to api.openstack.org which I think helps a little but your input is helpful for shaping the rest of that site | 14:23 |
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fm255005 | Is there a way to setup the instances to use gigabit nics? | 14:37 |
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kbringard | you can change the libvirt.xml.template to use <model type='e1000' /> | 14:39 |
kbringard | or, you can set the flag use_virtio_for_bridges in the nova.conf and it should use virtio, which will give it "direct" access to the underlying hardware and will give you close to the native speed | 14:39 |
fm255005 | ok ill check that out | 14:40 |
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fm255005 | i could have sworn i was using virtio but im definitely getting poor network performance | 14:40 |
fm255005 | thanks | 14:40 |
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kbringard | you can run ethtool eth0 in your VM to see what it's doing | 14:42 |
kbringard | if it only shows link info, that means it is using virtio | 14:42 |
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kbringard | but I think it's an rtl8390 or something by "default" (libvirt default), which is only 10/100 | 14:42 |
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fm255005 | ill check it out now | 14:48 |
fm255005 | thanks | 14:48 |
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ijw | annegentle: actually, it doesn't - api.openstack.org seems to describe very specifically the web APIs rather than the Python versions, unless I missed a link somewhere | 14:55 |
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notmyname | blimus: node lookups shouldn't be consuming all your cpu. once the data structure is loaded into memory (on startup), then it's simply an md5 hash of the object name and a O(1) lookup of the hash. but, if you do want to get more details on how that's working, you can use the swift-get-nodes tool | 14:58 |
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kbringard | big O notation ftw | 15:01 |
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yocum | morning all. | 15:06 |
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yocum | I have a question about the "public_interface" option - should this be the physical nic (eht0 or em1) or the name of a bridge device (br100, vlan100) connected to the physical nic? | 15:08 |
yocum | the documentation is somewhat lacking in this regard | 15:09 |
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uksysadmin | yocum, physcial | 15:10 |
uksysadmin | or physical even | 15:10 |
yocum | heh. | 15:10 |
shrii | any body tried openstack on R720 with raid 5 ? | 15:10 |
yocum | uksysadmin: I would have thought that, too, but this doc suggests otherwise: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/associating-public-ip.html | 15:11 |
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shrii | dell R720 power edge . | 15:11 |
yocum | vlan100 to me sounds like a bridge device. | 15:11 |
yocum | shrii: if linux runs on it, openstack will likely run on it. | 15:11 |
uksysadmin | yocum, ok - vlan100 is a physical device - it's just tagged with a vlan id | 15:11 |
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shrii | yocum your right | 15:12 |
shrii | my issue how to do volume management with raid5 | 15:12 |
yocum | uksysadmin: ok, I'll submit a "bug" on that. That sentence is not clear to me at all. | 15:12 |
uksysadmin | the post assumes you've manually created the vlan | 15:13 |
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uksysadmin | under vlanmanager, openstack will create this for you | 15:13 |
uksysadmin | but yes, its unclear | 15:13 |
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uksysadmin | of course, the post is equally unclear if you're not using vlanmanager too | 15:14 |
shrii | my issue how to do volume management with raid5 ? | 15:14 |
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shrii | yocum.. | 15:16 |
yocum | shrii: sorry - something shiny in another window. | 15:18 |
yocum | ;-) | 15:18 |
shrii | no issue.. but you can give me any clue ? | 15:18 |
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yocum | shrii: I wish I could. I'm deep in the bowels of flatDHCP networking with public IP hell, atm. | 15:19 |
yocum | uksysadmin: well, in the beginning, yes, I did create the bridge devices manually. | 15:19 |
uksysadmin | the bridge is on your private interface, the public is your routeable network | 15:20 |
yocum | having worked with KVM, oVirt, and OpenNebula for a while, now. | 15:20 |
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sampson | Does anyone know of a good consulting company to talk about infrastructure implementation with large-scale openstack deployments? | 15:20 |
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yocum | uksysadmin: I was irritated to learn that I didn't need to do that with OpenStack. I wish the docs had clearly stated "OS will handle the bridge creation for your. Don't be too smart here." | 15:21 |
uksysadmin | sampson: RCB, Mirantis, Canonical... | 15:21 |
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yocum | sampson: Red Hat. | 15:21 |
yocum | sampson: along with what uksysadmin said.... | 15:21 |
uksysadmin | yocum, don't be irritated by steps that aren't necessary - either way will still work | 15:21 |
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sampson | thanks | 15:22 |
shrii | any one try openstack on centos 6.3 ? | 15:23 |
uksysadmin | yocum, have you looked at Rackspace Private Cloud Edition - does what you're trying to achieve out of the box | 15:23 |
uksysadmin | if anything good to compare notes with configs it sets up | 15:24 |
yocum | uksysadmin: I suppose, but there some bits of the docs that something to be desired. | 15:24 |
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yocum | uksysadmin: that's a good suggestion | 15:25 |
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shrii | any one try openstack on centos 6.3 ? | 15:36 |
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yocum | shrii: rhel6.3, yes. | 15:36 |
gatuus | shrii: Most close is fedora17... | 15:37 |
shrii | fedora 17 | 15:37 |
number80 | shrii: essex worked fine, but i haven't tried folsom yet | 15:38 |
shrii | keyston issue on centos 6.3 is redicules | 15:38 |
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shrii | fosom ready to use any body tried ? | 15:39 |
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ijw | shrii: yes, yes. | 15:58 |
ijw | (though I've not tried the release version, just some of the pre-release stuff( | 15:58 |
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blimus | with swift, how can I workout / benchmark how long a distinct node lookup is taking. I have a single proxy on 1.4.8 / Ubuntu 12.04 with 100% CPU with a single client downloading lots of small files, and I am wondering if my partition power is causing the issue. | 16:26 |
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notmyname | blimus: I would be surprised if your partition power is causing an issue (what is it, BTW?). ring lookups involve an md5 hash of the object name (guaranteed to be <1024+256+256 bytes) and a dictionary lookup (which is O(1)) | 16:28 |
blimus | notmyname: It's set to 2**23 | 16:28 |
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notmyname | blimus: are you terminating ssl on the proxy? | 16:29 |
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blimus | yep | 16:29 |
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notmyname | blimus: that's probably where your CPU is being used. BTW, using swift's proxy server to terminate your SSL is not advised for production uses. It's only there to for dev and (limited) testing purposes. python+eventlet+ssl has some very nasty corner cases | 16:31 |
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blimus | notmyname: is pound as a front end the recommended approach ? | 16:32 |
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notmyname | blimus: pound is a good choice. stud+HAproxy too (and now HAproxy has ssl support included) | 16:34 |
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koaps | does anyone know why quantum with ovs plugin is givening me: ERROR [quantum.openstack.common.rpc.impl_qpid] Timed out waiting for RPC response: None | 17:33 |
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ijw | No, but I'd love to find out | 17:34 |
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koaps | i've been trying to get ovs working but can't seem to get it going | 17:34 |
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koolhead17 | annegentle, ping | 17:43 |
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blimus | notmyname: one other datapoint - if I perform a segmented upload of a 4GB file I see 30% CPU use on all 4 cores. If I push thousands of small files I get 100% on all 4 cores. | 17:48 |
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notmyname | blimus: it makes sense that the overhead associated with each request is proportionally with small requests, right? | 17:49 |
notmyname | *proportionally higher | 17:49 |
blimus | notmyname: agreed. | 17:50 |
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notmyname | blimus: are you running the proxy on your storage nodes or are they are separate hardware? | 17:51 |
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blimus | notmyname: separate HW - one proxy server and three storage servers at present | 17:52 |
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blimus | I think I will switch off SSL to see how that performs. | 17:56 |
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notmyname | blimus: ok. as you've seen, the proxy uses CPU. similarly, the storage servers will be more limited by IOPS (or possibly the network between the proxy and storage nodes). | 17:57 |
WormMan | hmm, 95 today in San Diego, hope it cools down in time for the summit | 17:58 |
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koaps | ijw: you using ovs? | 18:05 |
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ijw | Have been doing. My setup is broken at the moment. | 18:06 |
koaps | what os? | 18:06 |
ijw | Ubuntu LTS | 18:06 |
koaps | ah, i'm on centos | 18:06 |
koaps | just switched from qpid to rabbit and that error went away | 18:06 |
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koaps | adn the quantum command doesn't hang anymore | 18:07 |
koaps | think the imp_qpid has issues | 18:07 |
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blimus | notmyname: hmmmm. I've not turned off ssl yet, but now I have 100% cpu usage and all python threads seem to be running read() on the ring .gz files... | 18:17 |
notmyname | blimus: what version of python are you using? | 18:18 |
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blimus | notmyname: Python 2.7.3 | 18:18 |
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blimus | notmyname: the rings were made with 2.7.3 so I suffer from #1031954 | 18:19 |
notmyname | blimus: python changed how a data structure was implemented in python2.7 (change from python 2.6) that causes the rings to load very slowly. swift has been updated to no longer hit this case | 18:19 |
notmyname | blimus: ya :-) | 18:20 |
blimus | maybe I need to move away from Ubuntu bundled packages.... | 18:20 |
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blimus | notmyname: thanks for the help. gotta run. | 18:22 |
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gatuus | Error configuring registry database with supplied sql_connection.. folsom?? | 18:31 |
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gatuus | 'mysql://blablbal:blalbalbl@localhost/glance' | 18:32 |
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gatuus | Got error: | 18:33 |
gatuus | (OperationalError) (2002, "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (13)") None None | 18:33 |
gatuus | .... ??? | 18:33 |
koaps | is mysql running? | 18:34 |
gatuus | yes yes.. I can even get into mysql with the supplied creds in mysql://blablabla | 18:34 |
koaps | trymysql -H localhost -u blah -p | 18:35 |
koaps | try mysql -H localhost -u blah -p | 18:35 |
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gatuus | ok | 18:35 |
Slid3rD | Hi all | 18:36 |
koaps | if that works, did you install the mysql python package | 18:36 |
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gatuus | koaps: hehehe... gues what.. | 18:37 |
koaps | no access rule for localhost? | 18:37 |
gatuus | koaps: noup.. I'm fixing it.. thanks.. GRANt blablabl... ;) | 18:38 |
koaps | yea, heh | 18:38 |
koaps | i always run phpmyadmin on my controller so I can easily check the DB | 18:38 |
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Ryan_Lane | with flatdhcp networking, is it possible to have multiple private networks on different vlans? | 18:42 |
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Ryan_Lane | or does it need to be one giant network on a single vlan? | 18:42 |
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Ryan_Lane | it seems that it's configured by flags in the conf files... | 18:43 |
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zykes- | Ryan_Lane: I don't think so | 18:46 |
zykes- | don't you need VLANMAnager for that ? | 18:46 |
Ryan_Lane | well, the vlans should talk to each other | 18:46 |
Ryan_Lane | vlan networking mode completely isolates | 18:47 |
Ryan_Lane | but, I have a relatively small network, and need it to be larger | 18:47 |
Ryan_Lane | nova-manage offers no way to extend a network | 18:47 |
Ryan_Lane | so, I can create a new one, but that really need a new vlan for it | 18:47 |
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Ryan_Lane | vishy: ^^ any ideas here? | 18:49 |
Ryan_Lane | I'm actually running out of IPs | 18:49 |
Ryan_Lane | if this isn't possible in nova, this is a kind of major issue | 18:50 |
zynzel | Ryan_Lane: this is not major issue. | 18:50 |
Ryan_Lane | zynzel: then tell me how to solve it | 18:51 |
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zynzel | Ryan_Lane: create bigger network? | 18:51 |
zynzel | use vlan manager? | 18:51 |
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zynzel | Ryan_Lane: we change OS code, and every compute node can have own fixed ip range. | 18:51 |
Ryan_Lane | zynzel: I'd love to do the former | 18:51 |
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Ryan_Lane | zynzel: how do I create a larger network and make it live? | 18:52 |
zynzel | so each compute node can be issolated to L3. | 18:52 |
Ryan_Lane | I can't add a vlan | 18:52 |
Ryan_Lane | switching to vlan manager is not a solution | 18:52 |
zynzel | Ryan_Lane: simply change netmask? | 18:52 |
Ryan_Lane | zynzel: nova-manage inserts database entries when it creates the network | 18:52 |
Ryan_Lane | if I just change the netmask, it won't add the entries | 18:52 |
Ryan_Lane | it also won't modify the network entry in the database, or make any other necessary chanegs | 18:53 |
zynzel | Ryan_Lane: so you do wrong assumption on creating network | 18:53 |
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zynzel | and now nova should repair that? ;) | 18:53 |
Ryan_Lane | *YES* | 18:53 |
Ryan_Lane | yes it shoudl! | 18:53 |
zynzel | Ryan_Lane: use windows. | 18:54 |
zynzel | :) | 18:54 |
Ryan_Lane | wow. | 18:54 |
Ryan_Lane | zynzel: I made the network almost two years ago, during bexar release | 18:54 |
zynzel | adding a few queries to add fixed ip+changing netmask in db+changing netmask on compute nodes | 18:54 |
zynzel | is not big problem. | 18:54 |
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Ryan_Lane | that's such a backwards view of user-friendly software | 18:55 |
Ryan_Lane | anyway.... | 18:55 |
Ryan_Lane | so, the answer is that I need to modify the database manually | 18:55 |
zynzel | as i know, yes. | 18:55 |
Ryan_Lane | hm. who are the quantum folks? | 18:56 |
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Ryan_Lane | this is a problem that needs to not exist | 18:56 |
Ryan_Lane | it's a basic operation to change networks | 18:56 |
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EJC | Hello? | 18:57 |
EJC | Any chance the slides from the JUC are available? Really like the trunk gating presentation, wanted to share with some coworkers... | 18:57 |
clarkb | jeblair: ^ | 18:57 |
clarkb | EJC: I think I know where they are | 18:57 |
EJC | ERMERGERD - can I have a link? | 18:58 |
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clarkb | EJC: trying to find it (by knowing where they are I really mean I have a vague idea) | 18:58 |
EJC | we were under the impression there was a "docs" on the openstack github project | 18:59 |
EJC | but we couldn't find it | 18:59 |
jeblair | http://openstack-ci.github.com/publications/ | 18:59 |
jeblair | http://openstack-ci.github.com/publications/zuul/index.html#%281%29 | 18:59 |
jeblair | er, openstack-ci.github.com/publications/zuul/index.html | 18:59 |
jeblair | EJC, clarkb: ^ | 19:00 |
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EJC | wow - thank you! | 19:00 |
jeblair | you're welcome | 19:01 |
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koaps | jeblair: https://github.com/openstack-ci/zuul ? | 19:01 |
jeblair | koaps: yep | 19:01 |
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koaps | whats zuul? | 19:02 |
koaps | besides the dood in ghostbusters | 19:02 |
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jeblair | koaps: http://ci.openstack.org/zuul/ | 19:02 |
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koaps | interesting | 19:03 |
EJC | watch the presentation | 19:03 |
EJC | felt like all those green dood in toystory | 19:03 |
EJC | OOOOOO - THE CLAW>>>>> | 19:03 |
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EJC | thanks again | 19:05 |
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koaps | can't wait to get my stack working so I can try some stuff | 19:05 |
koaps | just need to get past the quantum part | 19:06 |
larsks | Is there any way to recover if an instance gets stuck in, e.g., task state image_snapshot? Other than mucking about in the database... | 19:07 |
larsks | ...using the Essex release... | 19:07 |
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koaps | just curious, is there a reason why ubuntu is so heavy used in openstack? instead of like centos or something? | 19:13 |
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zynzel | koaps: probably because peaople from ubuntu port openstack ;) | 19:14 |
zynzel | have many 'funny' cloud project (MaaS, cloud-init) | 19:14 |
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zynzel | and ubuntu is 'jazzy' ;) | 19:15 |
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koaps | yea, just always thought the business class OS would be more like Redhat, at least I know a lot of companies certify their code against particular Redhat releases | 19:16 |
gmi | koaps: now Redhat has support for Openstack, as well as Debian, but initially Redhat had an old kernel and old libvirt and developers preferred to develop on Ubuntu because of its fast release cycle and newer features | 19:16 |
koaps | yea I can see that, I don't even bother with the rpm's | 19:17 |
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zynzel | koaps: you allways can buy support from ubuntu | 19:18 |
zynzel | (dont know how this work, but support from RH really sux) | 19:18 |
zynzel | (as many other pro company support ;)) | 19:18 |
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Ryan_Lane | many of the early openstack people were also ubuntu people | 19:18 |
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Ryan_Lane | everything was also originally under the launchpad ecosystem | 19:19 |
koaps | i would try ubuntu by my company only certifies their software against Redhat, and I would use Ubuntu for the computes but that puts the other Devops guys out on a limb, so sticking with what everyone is ok with | 19:19 |
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Ryan_Lane | RH offers OpenStack | 19:19 |
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Ryan_Lane | I'm not sure if it's fully released yet, but they at least have a preview | 19:20 |
yocum | Ryan_Lane, koaps: the RH preview is based on Essex. | 19:21 |
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koaps | yea, I started using the Rpm's but wasn't happy with all the depreciated code warnings, so I said screw it and I'm building from Github, I have huge list of notes and pretty much got everything working when using XCP for a backend but then I had to switch to using KVM because some of the gear I'm testing doesn't have XCP drivers | 19:22 |
koaps | Now I'm stuck on the networking layer | 19:22 |
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Ryan_Lane | I definitely don't recommend building from scratch | 19:22 |
Ryan_Lane | nova is difficult enough to just configure.... | 19:22 |
yocum | koaps: where are you stuck with networking? | 19:22 |
yocum | (I'm not saying I can offer much help...) | 19:23 |
koaps | heh yea, well after building the stack like 20 times I've gotten the process down pretty well | 19:23 |
koaps | yocum: I'm trying to get quantum and openvswitch playing nice | 19:23 |
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koaps | I finally got past an error I was having by switching from qpid to rabbit | 19:23 |
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yocum | oh, I really can't help you - I haven't gotten to Quantum, yet. | 19:23 |
yocum | still on ye olde flatDHCP | 19:24 |
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WormMan | people are actually using Quantum? wow, I guess I better look at it next year | 19:24 |
koaps | well for my setup it's kinda ideal | 19:24 |
koaps | I'm using 40GB infiniband with Xsigo's | 19:24 |
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koaps | ovs is working perfectly as far as bridging | 19:25 |
koaps | just getting quantum to play nice is trippin me up | 19:25 |
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koaps | and all the docs are written for ubuntu mostly :) | 19:26 |
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koaps | what I don't get is why the quantum plugins have database settings, but in all the docs I've seen, there is no steps to actually create tables | 19:28 |
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koaps | humm well that's a good sign, I see the br-tun interface, maybe it is working | 19:31 |
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kenneth_ | hey guys.. in essex, after I run glance index | 19:34 |
kenneth_ | Failed to show index. Got error: | 19:34 |
kenneth_ | Response from Keystone does not contain a Glance endpoint. | 19:34 |
kenneth_ | the keystone database does contain an endpoint for Glance | 19:35 |
kenneth_ | i'm however skeptical, the endpoint was created as 'glance' not 'Glance', is that supposed to make a difference at all | 19:36 |
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koaps | kenneth_: how did you make the endpoints? | 19:39 |
kenneth_ | ya | 19:39 |
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kenneth_ | I'm pretty sure since I can see them in the keystone database | 19:39 |
kenneth_ | EmilienM: c'est quoi ton handle sur touitteur encore? | 19:40 |
koaps | if you look at the service table, is the name capital in the extra, description, name ? | 19:40 |
EmilienM | kenneth_: pm please. | 19:40 |
zynzel | kenneth_: paste select * from services; select * from endpoint_templates; | 19:41 |
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kenneth_ | zynzel | 19:41 |
kenneth_ | from the keystone database right? | 19:41 |
zynzel | kenneth_: yeah | 19:41 |
kenneth_ | I do not have a endpoint_template table though | 19:42 |
zynzel | kenneth_: show tables ;) | 19:42 |
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kenneth_ | http://pastie.org/4892917 zynzel | 19:44 |
context | kenneth_: ... "service" | 19:44 |
context | singular | 19:45 |
kenneth_ | http://pastie.org/4892930 | 19:46 |
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kenneth_ | context zynzel reposted | 19:46 |
kenneth_ | "name": "glance" | 19:46 |
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zynzel | kenneth_: and select * from endpoint;? | 19:47 |
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kenneth_ | http://pastie.org/4892930 | 19:48 |
kenneth_ | updated | 19:48 |
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zynzel | dunno, look good but im using older version of keystone. | 19:50 |
kenneth_ | i'm checking that too right now | 19:50 |
kenneth_ | 2012.1.3+stable~20120821-120fcf-0ubuntu1 OpenStack Image Registry and Delivery Service - Python library | 19:50 |
kenneth_ | ii keystone 2012.1+stable~20120824-a16a0ab9-0ubuntu2.2 OpenStack identity service - Daemons | 19:51 |
kenneth_ | zynzel should i try the testing packages instead | 19:53 |
zynzel | kenneth_: cant help you, we use 2012.1 (e3 before stable essex) | 19:53 |
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kenneth_ | context what about you? what version do you use. | 19:54 |
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atrius | anyone know if Folsom is in the ubuntu repositories yet? | 19:55 |
kenneth_ | zynzel thx, but from the error i'm getting do you think the capital G matters | 19:55 |
zynzel | kenneth_: maybe try to update db directly | 19:56 |
zynzel | change glance to Glance and check | 19:56 |
zynzel | but imho this is not a problem in your case | 19:56 |
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kenneth_ | zynzel right on it didn't make a different | 20:00 |
kenneth_ | *difference | 20:00 |
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Ryan_Lane | yep. updating the database is just going swimmingly | 20:07 |
Ryan_Lane | now instances won't delete, and instances being assigned IPs in the old range are erroring out | 20:07 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: there is no way to do that | 20:07 |
Ryan_Lane | no way to do what? | 20:07 |
Ryan_Lane | I can't extend a range? | 20:08 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: change the size of a network | 20:08 |
Ryan_Lane | so, I'm basically fucked, then? | 20:08 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: you will have to delete and recreate the network | 20:08 |
Ryan_Lane | ..... | 20:08 |
vishy | and manually add all of the fixed_ip entries | 20:08 |
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vishy | Ryan_Lane: actually let me rephrase | 20:08 |
Ryan_Lane | won't that mean all my instances will re-ip? | 20:08 |
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vishy | Ryan_Lane: the easiest way is to delete and recreate the network | 20:09 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: since you have ips already, you will have to manually change the cidr of your network in the db | 20:09 |
Ryan_Lane | well, I tried modifying the network entry to change the broadcast, cidr, and such | 20:09 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: and manually create new fixed_ip entries | 20:09 |
Ryan_Lane | then I added fixed_ips for the extension | 20:09 |
Ryan_Lane | but, now I'm getting all kinds of errors | 20:09 |
dan408 | hiya | 20:09 |
Ryan_Lane | for instance: 2012-10-01 20:04:48 TRACE nova.rpc.amqp DetachedInstanceError: Parent instance <Instance at 0x46fa150> is not bound to a Session; lazy load operation of attribute 'instance_type' cannot proceed | 20:10 |
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Ryan_Lane | all of my new instance creations are erroring out, including instances that were previously in the old range | 20:10 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: a) did you set the network_id for the new fixed_ips you added? | 20:10 |
Ryan_Lane | and I can't delete instances now | 20:10 |
Ryan_Lane | yes | 20:10 |
Ryan_Lane | same network_id | 20:10 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: that is a strange error to be getting | 20:11 |
Ryan_Lane | agreed | 20:11 |
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Ryan_Lane | seems it isn't associating addresses with vifs | 20:13 |
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zykes- | vishy: time for a question? | 20:14 |
Ryan_Lane | I'm getting that error specifically for instances I'm trying to delete | 20:14 |
Ryan_Lane | that's why deletions are failing | 20:14 |
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vishy | Ryan_Lane: are you on essex? | 20:15 |
Ryan_Lane | yep | 20:15 |
vishy | Ryan_Lane: and do you have essex/stable? | 20:15 |
vishy | as in all the patches? | 20:15 |
Ryan_Lane | well, I'm using what comes with ubuntu | 20:15 |
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vishy | i remember that error message from a while ago, but I don't know why you would suddenly be getting it | 20:15 |
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Ryan_Lane | well, this is almost definitely related to the networking changes I just made | 20:16 |
Ryan_Lane | because I wasn't getting it before that | 20:16 |
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zynzel | no, this is related to db change you made. | 20:16 |
zynzel | nova-network/compute have old session for db. | 20:16 |
briancline | notmyname: is that due to lack of easily accessible expertise with alternative platforms and even distributions? would also be interested in hearing more offline about the details on support concerns | 20:17 |
zynzel | try to restart nova-network service | 20:17 |
briancline | oops | 20:17 |
briancline | heh | 20:17 |
Ryan_Lane | seems I get the same error on instance creation, too | 20:18 |
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Ryan_Lane | zynzel: are you talking to me? | 20:19 |
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zynzel | Ryan_Lane: yes. | 20:21 |
Ryan_Lane | thought I had. will try that again, though | 20:22 |
Ryan_Lane | maybe I made some additional changes after that and forgot | 20:22 |
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Ryan_Lane | great. now when I run delete, it doesn't even cast it to the compute node | 20:34 |
Ryan_Lane | or the compute node isn't picking it up | 20:34 |
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gatuus | where could I check the differences of the tables in Keystone between ESSEX and FOLSOM?? | 20:40 |
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Ryan_Lane | I'm really starting to think my database is fucked and I need to restore from backup | 20:40 |
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gatuus | I'm migrating from es to fol | 20:41 |
Ryan_Lane | ah. nova-compute was deadlocked | 20:41 |
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Ryan_Lane | ugh. basically all of my compute nodes are deadlocked | 20:50 |
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Ryan_Lane | clearing all of the deadlocks and restarting seems to have fixed the deletion problem. new instances from the old range are building properlyt | 21:01 |
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Ryan_Lane | seems an ip from the extended range is now working too | 21:01 |
Ryan_Lane | zynzel: seems restarting the services worked, but I needed to restart all of them for some reason | 21:02 |
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Ryan_Lane | hm. so, dnsmasq is still handing out address information with the old subnet and broadcast | 21:14 |
Ryan_Lane | any idea why that may happen? | 21:14 |
Ryan_Lane | I killed dnsmasq processes and restarted nova-network | 21:14 |
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Ryan_Lane | ah. needed to update the route table on the network node and remove the old ip assignment on the bridge | 21:31 |
Ryan_Lane | this is absurdly difficult. maybe I'll write a blog post for any other poor soul that needs to do this in the future | 21:31 |
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annegentle | Ryan_Lane: anything you can write up will help others | 21:38 |
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Ryan_Lane | ideally nova/quantum could handle this situation on its own | 21:39 |
Ryan_Lane | this required manually mucking with the database | 21:39 |
Ryan_Lane | modifying route tables, changing device config, etc. | 21:39 |
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Ryan_Lane | annegentle: the docs should definitely warn people that it's better to overestimate a cidr range, than to underestimate it | 21:40 |
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Ryan_Lane | since it's very difficult to change the network later, especially if you use flatdhcp | 21:40 |
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annegentle | Ryan_Lane: do you have to populate the database yourself? | 21:42 |
Ryan_Lane | yes | 21:42 |
annegentle | Ryan_Lane: yeesh. | 21:43 |
Ryan_Lane | yep. not much fun ;) | 21:43 |
annegentle | Ryan_Lane: I mean, gosh that sounds like fun | 21:43 |
annegentle | :) | 21:43 |
Ryan_Lane | this is what happens when you think: meh, we'll be out of this datacenter well before we have that many instances | 21:43 |
Ryan_Lane | then hit growth rate 2-3 times what you expect. people love free things :D | 21:44 |
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annegentle | Ryan_Lane: yowsa | 21:46 |
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koaps | oh you dirty sonofabitch | 22:02 |
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koaps | lol, ran into another hardcoded path | 22:02 |
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wohoo | hi guys | 22:11 |
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yocum | Ryan_Lane: just reading back... I *so* right there with you and effing flatdhcp nova network! Grrrrr! | 22:13 |
wohoo | anybody knows whats going wrong with openstack if every vm service port is reachable by its external ip so seems there is no iptables set up correctly? | 22:14 |
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atrius | got a question on the subject of persistent storage (nova-volume)... how does migration work with persistent storage? | 22:15 |
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Ryan_Lane | yocum: yeah. it's painful. I have it all working now, thankfully, though | 22:16 |
yocum | Ryan_Lane: you're using essex or folsom? | 22:16 |
yocum | I'm using the RH preview - Essex. | 22:16 |
Ryan_Lane | essex | 22:16 |
Ryan_Lane | for the most part it's stablish | 22:17 |
* yocum looks at the clock... need to start on dinner before the fam comes home. Ryan_Lane are you going to be around, tomorrow? Maybe you can take a look at what the heck I'm doing wrong. | 22:17 | |
Ryan_Lane | my nova-compute services occasionally deadlock | 22:17 |
Ryan_Lane | yocum: sure. | 22:17 |
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yocum | that, I have not seen. I've seen "building" and "deleting" at the same time, though. | 22:17 |
yocum | and really screwed up routing tables and iptable rules that just hang around for ever... | 22:18 |
yocum | cool | 22:18 |
yocum | Ryan_Lane: I'll ping you tomorrow. thanks! | 22:18 |
atrius | is a local lvm named nova-volumes the only way to do this? surely not, right? | 22:18 |
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atrius | is it possible to use gluster for persistent storage? | 22:30 |
koaps | sure | 22:30 |
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atrius | koaps: not for VM image storage.. but actual persistent storage managed by nova-volume | 22:30 |
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Ryan_Lane | atrius: you wouldn't want to use it for vm image storage anyway | 22:34 |
Ryan_Lane | atrius: I'm not sure about using it for nova-volume | 22:34 |
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atrius | Ryan_Lane: why is that? | 22:34 |
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Ryan_Lane | because it handles it *really* poorly | 22:34 |
Ryan_Lane | I was previously using gluster for my vm storage | 22:34 |
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Ryan_Lane | it ended poorly a number of times | 22:34 |
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atrius | the problem i'm trying to solve is getting live migration working... all i have access to at the moment is one lonely fileserver+two compute nodes... i believe i could give the nodes access to the instances via a shared NFS... but one of the instances has/needs persistent storage | 22:35 |
Ryan_Lane | well, all instances have persistent storage, via ephemeral storage | 22:35 |
atrius | and thus.. the need for some kind of shared volume.. which led me to either gluster or ceph | 22:36 |
Ryan_Lane | but it goes away if you terminate the instance | 22:36 |
Ryan_Lane | it stays around for reboots and such | 22:36 |
Ryan_Lane | don't use gluster for shared storage, unless you want outages | 22:36 |
koaps | atrius: check out https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=openstack-centos-kvm-glusterfs-guide-aug2012&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cloudbus.org%2Freports%2FOpenStack-CentOS-KVM-glusterfs-guide-Aug2012.pdf&ei=jRlqUMf6BMHx0gGMwIBw&usg=AFQjCNGavu_UuRy3PD0B4tsMD3PBYRZeLw | 22:36 |
koaps | he uses gluster for live migrations | 22:36 |
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koaps | though can't you use swift for that? | 22:37 |
atrius | Ryan_Lane: true.. but doesn't it also go away for VM failures? either way.. not sure the powers that be would like to hear "yeah, it'll be fine as long as no one ever hits 'terminate instance'... if they do.. our DB goes poof and we have to restore'.. even if i do follow that up with some neat way to do the restore :) | 22:37 |
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Ryan_Lane | atrius: yep | 22:37 |
atrius | koaps: i thought swift only did object storage? | 22:37 |
koaps | not 100%, having messed with it yet | 22:38 |
Ryan_Lane | swift only does object storage, yes | 22:38 |
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atrius | huh... for some reason the idea of running the gluster bits on the compute nodes directly, thus making all data available everywhere all the time, never crossed my mind... i had it in my mind to run it "somewhere else" | 22:40 |
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atrius | koaps: it looks interesting.. but unfortunately doesn't address the issue of nova-volume being tied to a particular node.. i need to check something though | 22:44 |
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koaps | atrius: what about DRDB? | 22:54 |
koaps | you only have two compute nodes anyways right | 22:54 |
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atrius | koaps: for now yeah.. though in the future there will be 'more' | 22:54 |
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koaps | for a database server, you would probably be better running two or more nodes on seperate computes and run replication, last thing you want is corrupted data being replicated at the file system layer due to an outtage | 22:57 |
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atrius | koaps: true | 22:57 |
atrius | of course.. that said... i still need persistent storage for the DB server in the first place... i _can_ do all kinds of things... but it would be nice if the storage would fail over with the VM without having to configure that inside the VM itself.. though i suppose that really wouldn't be too evil | 22:59 |
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koaps | atrius: heh, here, you can try this, pretty hardcore route, http://www.bauer-power.net/2011/08/roll-your-own-fail-over-san-cluster.html#.UGojDBhstFQ | 23:11 |
koaps | you would have a iscsi drive to use nova volumes | 23:12 |
mnaser | why not handle failover at the application layer? | 23:12 |
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atrius | koaps: funny.. i was thinking of doing something not too different from that | 23:12 |
atrius | mnaser: you mean inside the VM instead of having openstack handle it? | 23:13 |
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mnaser | well, yeah, just configure your application to be highly available over your vms | 23:13 |
mnaser | unless you have a backend storage that's shared then you'll just need a redundant centralized store, which you can host using nova-volume | 23:13 |
mnaser | or aka cinder now | 23:14 |
mnaser | also, check out ceph for distributed block storage if you don't want to even bother with a san | 23:14 |
atrius | mnaser: the part i'm having trouble with is figuring out how to get nova-volume to use something that isn't just an LVM local to the machine... unless it's just as simple as presenting the block device and creating the VM on the compute node? | 23:15 |
koaps | cinder pulls out the nova-volume piece right? | 23:15 |
mnaser | yes koaps, nova-volume -> cinder | 23:16 |
mnaser | atrius: well what you could do is basically use Ceph for distributed storage using the local space | 23:16 |
mnaser | and then you would launch instances from a nova-volume and not using local storage | 23:16 |
mnaser | that way when its' running from a nova-volume that means its running from your san/backend storage | 23:16 |
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atrius | mnaser: got you.. but the question i'm trying to answer specifically deals with the persistent storage part | 23:18 |
mnaser | atrius: openstack does use persistent storage | 23:18 |
mnaser | even for the local storage | 23:18 |
atrius | so that if i create a persistent storage volume.. i want that to be not on the compute node only | 23:18 |
mnaser | okay so there's two type of vm-backing storage | 23:18 |
mnaser | the ones creating using nova-compute which usually are on the local storage of the machine, those ARE persistent and are not deleted unless you delete them | 23:18 |
mnaser | the other ones are created using nova-compute and usually on a cluster/san, they're also persistent unless you delete them | 23:19 |
mnaser | the difference between nova-volume and compute volumes are that the ones with compute are LINKED to a machine, so if you delete a VM, the data goes away | 23:19 |
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mnaser | but nova-volume storage is not linked to a VM, so deleting a VM keeps the data stored | 23:19 |
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koaps | the compute volumes are the ones stored in instances? | 23:20 |
mnaser | compute volumes is the root of your OS, etc. | 23:20 |
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atrius | mnaser: okay.. that's pretty much as i understood it... but if you create a volume using nova-volume (cinder) it ends up created as a logical volume in a volume group named nova-volumes... that being the case.. i guess what i'm trying to figure out is if i build a ceph system, will that present a block device to all compute nodes that can be used for that logical volume and thus for nova-volume volumes | 23:21 |
mnaser | atrius: correct, in a proper setup, nova-volume/cinder volumes are accessible and visible to all hypervisors | 23:22 |
mnaser | they are presented using iscsi | 23:22 |
atrius | it seems logical to me.. but before i put the time in to find out i thought i'd ask :D | 23:22 |
mnaser | and openstack takes care of the whole process of making them visible/etc | 23:22 |
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atrius | mnaser: presuming the storage is separate from the compute nodes in the first place, yes? | 23:22 |
mnaser | atrius: yep | 23:23 |
atrius | ah... so basically i'm trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist and is really only a problem because of my limited setup.... :D | 23:23 |
mnaser | as you've mentioned you have 2 compute nodes so i'd probably recommend looking into using Ceph because it's distributed block storage and it's built in compatibility with openstack | 23:23 |
koaps | heh | 23:23 |
mnaser | if you have a san, you can just expose it to a machine and cinder will take it and expose it over iscsi to the other machines and what not | 23:24 |
atrius | mnaser: ceph does sound like the way to go... gluster looks interesting but it doesn't seem like it is what i'm really after | 23:24 |
mnaser | atrius: glusterfs is not block storage and I'm not a fan of running vm images as a file | 23:24 |
atrius | mnaser: true.. though i may use glusterfs for something else entirely later | 23:25 |
koaps | mnaser: if my SAN device supports iscsi is that a better way to go? or should I still setup the LUNs on the cinder host? | 23:25 |
mnaser | I'm sure its great for actual file storage but idk about running vm's on it | 23:25 |
mnaser | koaps: well, cinder would need to have an appropriate driver to interact with your SAN and create luns/etc | 23:26 |
atrius | koaps: that's a good question... i'd rather avoid the redirection if possible | 23:26 |
atrius | mnaser: is there a handy list of drivers laying about? | 23:26 |
* atrius has been trying to find one | 23:26 | |
mnaser | no sure if list but | 23:26 |
mnaser | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/tree/master/cinder/volume | 23:27 |
koaps | mnaser: my SAN is over infiniband, and my controllers and compute nodes all have the drivers so I can do eithere | 23:27 |
mnaser | you can see a list of them there, there's solid fire, net app, etc | 23:27 |
mnaser | san.py has one for solaris/zfs, hp sans | 23:27 |
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atrius | i saw somewhere on openstack's site about using nexenta(sp?) | 23:28 |
mnaser | i think they have drivers for its s you see nexenta folder | 23:28 |
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atrius | lol.. yeah.. looked right past it :D | 23:28 |
atrius | i was watching a video on it earlier.. it looks promising | 23:29 |
mnaser | nexenta is very nice, zfs/solaris is a great platform | 23:29 |
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efinne | Anyone aware of a doc that explains how to setup ESXi with OpenStack? I've been told each ESX box needs to have a VM on it with libvirt | 23:43 |
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cloudfly | efinne i am not aware of one | 23:53 |
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cloudfly | i'd love to see one if it exists. | 23:53 |
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