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| mmalesky | I'm having some issues creating a private/flat network on Ubuntu 12.04 in a Folsom deployment using FlatDHCPManager mode.....anyone think they can help out with this? | 00:07 |
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| faye | anyone know if it is possible to run 2x nova on one host (devstack)? | 00:18 |
| faye | I want to try to acheive something similar to proxmox 2 - openvz and qemu on same host. | 00:18 |
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| prometheanfire | yes, nested virt | 01:02 |
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| faye | prometheanfire suggesting running qemu out of openvz? The other way round is kind of sick | 01:09 |
| faye | proxmox does not use nesting | 01:10 |
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| faye | containers and kvm/qemu's live in the same host | 01:10 |
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| faye | it may be moot anyway, I seem to be struggling with getting an openvz container to start on nova | 01:12 |
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| faye | but that may be because I'm trying to use libvirt+openvz rather than openvz | 01:12 |
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| prometheanfire | I'm suggesting running qemu in qemu | 01:22 |
| prometheanfire | you need a processor that supports nested page tables though | 01:22 |
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| faye | the whole point of running containers is not to have to run extra levels of virtualization when it's unnecessary | 01:28 |
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| prometheanfire | true, I just told you how I'd do it | 01:33 |
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| faye | thanks for your perspective ;) | 01:36 |
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| ahmad | hi everyone | 04:38 |
| ahmad | anyone has any resources or suggestions for material related to openstack folsom, hadoop and cloud computing? would very much appreciate it! | 04:39 |
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| ThiagoCMC | Maybe can help: http://www.hastexo.com/resources/docs/installing-openstack-essex-4-ubuntu-1204-precise-pangolin/step-1-prepare-your-system | 04:45 |
| ThiagoCMC | I'm reading it... | 04:46 |
| ThiagoCMC | ops | 04:46 |
| ThiagoCMC | That is for Essex... | 04:46 |
| ThiagoCMC | But you can enable Ubuntu Cloud Archive to install Folsom on Ubuntu 12.04 | 04:46 |
| ahmad | ThiagoCMC, if possible can i bug you for a few questions | 04:48 |
| ThiagoCMC | I'm newbie here bro... Sorry... I'm still learning about this cloud stuff... :-/ | 04:53 |
| ThiagoCMC | Anyway, fell free to ask! If I can, I'll help... No problem... | 04:53 |
| ahmad | Oh i am also a newbie, my first time here :) | 04:54 |
| ahmad | I am just trying to wrap my head around how openstack works | 04:54 |
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| bretolius | can someone translate "cloud computing fabric controller" to lay english? | 05:28 |
| kseifried | well | 05:29 |
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| kseifried | it controls the servers/etc | 05:30 |
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| kseifried | basically this isn't about controlling 1 or 2 or 100 servers, it's about 1000, 10,000, etc. | 05:30 |
| bretolius | So computing on a bunch of server and this has something to do with orchestrating it all | 05:30 |
| kseifried | yeah | 05:30 |
| bretolius | and fabric meaning, large volume of servers? | 05:30 |
| kseifried | yeah | 05:30 |
| bretolius | ok ty | 05:31 |
| kseifried | fabric also typically implies interconnectivity | 05:31 |
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| tziOm | Has someone made a dependencies tree for openstack? | 09:42 |
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| lathiat | Hi Folks.. I'm started to experiment with openstack and I installed a base install on ubuntu 12.04 using the stackgeek guides.. i'm having an issue on launching an instance where cloudinit works to get an ip (seemingly) but then timing out.. preventing the ssh key from configuring and thus I can't login | 10:40 |
| lathiat | 2012-10-21 10:33:48,525 - util.py[WARNING]: 'http://169.254.169.254/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id' failed [50/120s]: url error [timed out] | 10:40 |
| lathiat | Could anyone point me in the right direction to try and figure out what is causing that.. I can see the nat rule counters going up.. that's about as far as I've gotten. | 10:40 |
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| tziOm | larsks, could be couple things | 10:44 |
| tziOm | larsks, have you configured correct ip and port for metadata in l3_agent.conf | 10:45 |
| lathiat | tziOm: talking to me or larsks? | 10:45 |
| tziOm | to you | 10:45 |
| lathiat | :) | 10:45 |
| lathiat | let me have a look | 10:45 |
| tziOm | lathiat, you can check this also inside qrouter netns (look for DNAT in nat table) | 10:46 |
| lathiat | I don't appear to have an l3_agent.conf.. I get the feeling there is some newer stuff that is not in the stack I am running which is the one shipped with ubuntu 12.04.. or perhaps there's a package which was not installed. | 10:46 |
| lathiat | should "quantum" be installed? | 10:47 |
| tziOm | i would guess | 10:47 |
| lathiat | Hrm looks like it | 10:48 |
| lathiat | The stackgeek guide/scripts don't seem to install that.. i'll give it a bash. | 10:48 |
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| zykes- | still trying to get it to work tziOm ? | 11:28 |
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| tziOm | zykes-, I think its mostly ok.. was struggeling a little with gre, but think ok now | 11:37 |
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| lathiat | tziOm: Thanks for help.. turns out.. the openstack guide doesn't mention enabling ip_forward and it wasn't occuring to me that the local nat of the 169.254.169.254 requires ip_forwarding to work :) | 12:14 |
| lathiat | *geek stack guide | 12:14 |
| lathiat | eventually zinged | 12:14 |
| tziOm | hmm. | 12:14 |
| tziOm | that should be obvious ;) | 12:15 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1069456 in openstack-ci "fix python-novaclient on jenkins master" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1069456 | 16:51 |
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| NashTrash | Hello Stackers | 18:39 |
| NashTrash | I am working on getting my new Folsom + Quantum cloud running and I think I am close. | 18:39 |
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| NashTrash | I want to let my demo tenant allocate and associate a public IP from ext_net. | 18:40 |
| NashTrash | But, in the dashboard I get a message that "No floating IP pools available". Is this because the ext_net network has shared=False? | 18:40 |
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| NashTrash | Ah, lack of floating support in Horizon when you are using quantum seems to be a known issue. My bad | 18:45 |
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| Apsu` | NashTrash: Ayep. | 18:49 |
| Apsu` | NashTrash: Floats and security groups. | 18:49 |
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| NashTrash | Apsu`: Got an IP by using the CLI, but I seem to have some issues with my setup still | 18:51 |
| NashTrash | Can not ping through the public IP. | 18:52 |
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| Apsu` | NashTrash: Got an appropriate route? | 18:52 |
| Apsu` | Try pinging the next hop first | 18:52 |
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| NashTrash | Probably not. | 18:52 |
| Apsu` | "ip r" to check | 18:52 |
| NashTrash | I can ping from the cloud controller to the VM using the fixed ip | 18:53 |
| Apsu` | That's a plus. | 18:53 |
| NashTrash | What should I be looking for in ip r | 18:53 |
| NashTrash | ? | 18:53 |
| Apsu` | default via x.x.x.x | 18:54 |
| NashTrash | Yep — default via 172.16.1.1 dev br-ex | 18:54 |
| Apsu` | Cool. So, ping 8.8.8.8 | 18:55 |
| NashTrash | Obviously 172.16.1.1 is my public network gateway machine (not the cloud controller) | 18:55 |
| NashTrash | Works fine | 18:55 |
| Apsu` | Then you have full public connectivity. | 18:55 |
| Apsu` | What did you mean by "can not ping through the public IP"? | 18:55 |
| NashTrash | I allocate and associate 172.16.1.129 with my instance which has private IP of 10.5.5.3. | 18:56 |
| NashTrash | I can ping 10.5.5.3 but I can not ping 172.16.1.129 | 18:56 |
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| Apsu` | From your instance? | 18:56 |
| NashTrash | No, I am not currently able to get into the instance at all (another issue I am working on). | 18:57 |
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| NashTrash | But from my cloud controller I can ping the VMs private IP but not public. | 18:57 |
| NashTrash | Wait…after I set up the external network using Quantum, do I have to go back and edit the l3_agent.ini file with that info? | 18:58 |
| Apsu` | So... your instance "has" a private IP of 10.5.5.3. But you "allocate and associate 172.16.1.129" with it. | 18:58 |
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| Apsu` | Which is sounding an awful lot like you're trying to use floating IPs | 18:58 |
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| NashTrash | Apsu`: Correct, but I am using quantum CLI to do the floating IP thing. Are you saying that quantum + floating IPs is completely broken? | 18:59 |
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| NashTrash | Not just through the dashboard | 18:59 |
| Apsu` | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/Net-Gateways-dle455.html | 19:00 |
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| NashTrash | Apsu`: I am not running nova-network at all | 19:04 |
| NashTrash | Am I supposed to? | 19:05 |
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| Apsu` | NashTrash: Not actually sure. My quantum experience is currently limited; but I have extensive linux networking knowledge | 19:09 |
| NashTrash | Apsu`: Yeah, I am just going up the quantum curve myself. I think that I am close though. | 19:10 |
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| Apsu` | If you want to throw some things on a paste site, I could help you troubleshoot. | 19:12 |
| Apsu` | Like... "ip a; ip r" on the box you're testing from, and some pings illustrating the issues | 19:13 |
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| Auree | Hi, I am trying to play with nova from python shell and I have a problem. What I am trying to do is get information about all instances, so I do 'from nova import db' and 'db.instance_get_all(context)'. The problem is I get an exception from SQLAlchemy, saying "no such table". | 19:14 |
| NashTrash | First, I should probably get my VMs to boot correctly. Right now the console output looks like this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/21931/ | 19:14 |
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| NashTrash | It looks like it is not booting all the way through. | 19:14 |
| Auree | or should I ask in #openstack-dev? | 19:15 |
| Apsu` | NashTrash: Er, yeah, looks like a no. | 19:16 |
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| NashTrash | I very well could have messed up the image upload steps | 19:17 |
| NashTrash | Let's try that all over again. | 19:18 |
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| NashTrash | Apsu`: I am uploading a new image to try out. | 19:24 |
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| NashTrash | Apsu`: Much better this time around. Now just the meta-data calls are failing. | 19:29 |
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| NashTrash | EmilienM: I just wanted to say thank you for the excellent Folsom guide. | 19:31 |
| Apsu` | NashTrash: Fun fun | 19:32 |
| EmilienM | NashTrash : Thanks :) | 19:32 |
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| Apsu` | NashTrash: Sounds like you might just have an issue with the DNAT/routing of the metadata traffic | 19:32 |
| NashTrash | Apsu`: yes. In the past (Diablo and Essex) I always set up a custom iptables rule to handle routing 169.254.169.254 to the right metadata service. | 19:33 |
| NashTrash | I guess this is still necessary in Folsom | 19:34 |
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| Apsu` | nova-network is actually intelligent enough to make that work automatically in multi_host mode | 19:34 |
| NashTrash | Apsu`: Right, but I am not running nova-network at all since I am trying to get quantum going. | 19:34 |
| Apsu` | Understood. Just saying | 19:34 |
| NashTrash | EmilienM: I am just working through a couple of remaining issues. Currently my VM metadata calls are failing because 169.254.169.254 is not being routed. How did you handle this problem? | 19:35 |
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| NashTrash | Apsu`: Using iptables on the compute node to route it to the nova-api-metadata service on the compute node didn't work. I am guessing that the OVS tunnel is blocking this approach. | 19:46 |
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| Apsu` | NashTrash: Let's make sure you're clear on what you're doing, first. iptables doesn't route; it can modify traffic (by using NAT, for instance) before/during/after routing, which can affect routing decisions | 19:47 |
| Apsu` | NashTrash: So... did you just add a DNAT target to the PREROUTING chain of the nat table? | 19:47 |
| NashTrash | -I PREROUTING -d 169.254.169.254/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.56.132:8775 | 19:48 |
| Apsu` | Yeah. Ok. And can the box that rule exists on connect to 192.168.56.132:8775? | 19:48 |
| NashTrash | Yes. It is that box | 19:48 |
| Apsu` | Ah, so it's an IP on the same box | 19:48 |
| Apsu` | Are you sure the metadata service is listening on that IP or an IP which would include it? | 19:49 |
| NashTrash | Yes. I have the nova-api-metadata service on the compute node | 19:49 |
| NashTrash | Yes | 19:49 |
| Apsu` | (ss -lntp to verify) | 19:49 |
| NashTrash | My thought is that the OVS tunnel for the instance is getting in the way | 19:49 |
| Apsu` | Probably. | 19:50 |
| Apsu` | Ostensibly you'd need the traffic to come out of a port on the hypervisor, either in a bridge or out of a bridge | 19:50 |
| Apsu` | With an IP that's in the same network as the VM, on that port/bridge | 19:50 |
| Apsu` | So it can hit the hyp's iptables and routing engine directly | 19:51 |
| NashTrash | Yes, but I would guess that this must be a situation quantum developers were aware of. So I suspect that there must be a setting for just this. | 19:51 |
| NashTrash | But where... | 19:51 |
| Apsu` | Probably | 19:51 |
| Apsu` | Then again, maybe they're not solving for the all-in-one case yet :P | 19:52 |
| NashTrash | Perhaps this is it: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/l3_agent.html | 19:52 |
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| NashTrash | I had it set to the wrong machine. To the VM!!! | 19:53 |
| Apsu` | lolz | 19:53 |
| zykes- | having problems with metadta api ? | 19:54 |
| NashTrash | zykes-: Yeah, I had the L3_agent pointing to the wrong IP | 19:54 |
| NashTrash | Spawning now to see if that fixes it. | 19:54 |
| zykes- | pointing to which ip ? | 19:55 |
| NashTrash | I have a cloud controller node and a compute node. I had the l3 agent pointing to the CC while the nova-api-metadata service is on the compute node. But alas, this has not worked... | 19:56 |
| NashTrash | Boo | 19:56 |
| zykes- | a nat rule or smth? | 19:57 |
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| NashTrash | There are two settings in l3_agent.ini. But that is not the end of the story. Looks like lots of config is needed now that I look into the docs more. | 20:00 |
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| Apsu` | NashTrash: Sounds terrible | 20:01 |
| NashTrash | Looks like an easy way might be to run the metadata service on the cloud controller. | 20:01 |
| NashTrash | EmilienM: Are you around? | 20:01 |
| Apsu` | NashTrash: That's actually how you're supposed to do it. I mean... the two main models are metadata/network/etc on the controller, with traffic routed through it... | 20:03 |
| Apsu` | Or multi_host, with metadata/network on each compute node, independent routing | 20:04 |
| NashTrash | Yep. | 20:04 |
| Apsu` | When I spoke to Dan Wendlandt at the summit this past week about multi_host, and during the talk he gave on it, the devs are aiming to implement the multi_host functionality in quantum | 20:04 |
| Apsu` | But there wasn't much confidence in why it would be a worthy use-case | 20:05 |
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| Apsu` | So currently... I'd imagine that your best success will be with having Only compute bits on compute nodes | 20:05 |
| Apsu` | And pushing everything else to the controller | 20:05 |
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| NashTrash | Yes. Looks like the normal nova-api service actually should respond to nova-api-metadata requests. So, when I had l3_agent pointing at the cloud controller it should have worked. | 20:06 |
| NashTrash | I can shutdown the nova-api-metadata service on the compute node. | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | NashTrash: . | 20:06 |
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| NashTrash | EmilienM: How did you tackle the metadata calls to 169.254.169.254 or did you not use images that used that? | 20:07 |
| EmilienM | 1) are you using overlapping IP ? | 20:08 |
| NashTrash | Nope | 20:08 |
| NashTrash | Or at least not that I know of | 20:08 |
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| EmilienM | l3_agent.ini SHOULD have use_namespaces=False | 20:08 |
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| zykes- | NashTrash: found it or ? | 20:09 |
| NashTrash | It does | 20:09 |
| EmilienM | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/adv_cfg_l3_agent_metadata.html | 20:09 |
| NashTrash | Got the metadata_* set correctly, but I didn't do anything with the route add -net call. | 20:09 |
| NashTrash | In l3_agent.ini did you set external_network_bridge = br-ex or leave it commented out? | 20:10 |
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| EmilienM | external_network_bridge is br-ex by default I believe | 20:11 |
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| NashTrash | What I thought, but I guess it doesn't hurt to set it. | 20:12 |
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| Apsu` | Ugh | 20:23 |
| Apsu` | The docs recommend using 'route'. | 20:23 |
| Apsu` | route is horribly deprecated. Just like ifconfig and mii-tool | 20:23 |
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| NashTrash | Apsu`: I already see what looks to be a valid route | 20:24 |
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| NashTrash | 10.5.5.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 tapb9f852e8-1c | 20:25 |
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| Apsu` | Don't use route. Please. Use "ip route", which you can shorten to "ip r". | 20:26 |
| Apsu` | route lies/misrepresents certain things, and leaves out lots of other important information | 20:26 |
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| Apsu` | Like source address hints and scopes | 20:26 |
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| NashTrash | Ok. ip r gets me: | 20:27 |
| NashTrash | 10.5.5.0/24 dev tapb9f852e8-1c proto kernel scope link src 10.5.5.2 | 20:27 |
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| Apsu` | Ok, so, that's known as an interface route | 20:27 |
| Apsu` | The 10.5.5.0/24 network is associated with (at least) the tapb9f852e8-1c interface -- the source hint indicates it's likely because 10.5.5.2/24 is on that interface | 20:28 |
| NashTrash | The ip address for the router (using quantum port-list) is 172.16.1.128 | 20:28 |
| Apsu` | All interfaces with IPs will have interface routes added for the networks of those IPs | 20:28 |
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| Apsu` | Is that line ^ the Only route "ip r" gets you? | 20:28 |
| NashTrash | Nope. Here is the full: | 20:29 |
| NashTrash | default via 172.16.1.1 dev br-ex | 20:29 |
| NashTrash | 10.0.0.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.0.3 | 20:29 |
| NashTrash | 10.5.5.0/24 dev tapb9f852e8-1c proto kernel scope link src 10.5.5.2 | 20:29 |
| NashTrash | 172.16.1.0/24 dev br-ex proto kernel scope link src 172.16.1.127 | 20:29 |
| NashTrash | 192.168.56.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.56.128 | 20:29 |
| Apsu` | ... in the future, it's better to use a paste site for more than a line or two | 20:29 |
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| NashTrash | 172 is my "public" network, 192 is "management", and 10 is for Vms | 20:29 |
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| Apsu` | So, you have a default route to 172.16.1.1 through your bridge device br-ex | 20:29 |
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| Apsu` | But you said your router IP is .128. | 20:30 |
| Apsu` | None of those routes go to your router. | 20:30 |
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| NashTrash | Yes, 172.16.1.1 is my internet gateway. The virtual quantum router is 172.16.1.128 | 20:30 |
| NashTrash | 172.16.1.127 is the public IP of the cloud controller | 20:32 |
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| NashTrash | EmilienM: Sorry to bother again, does your ext_net have anything in the provider:physical_network field? (Seen when you do quantum net-show) | 20:35 |
| EmilienM | no | 20:35 |
| NashTrash | Ok. Thanks. | 20:35 |
| EmilienM | :) | 20:37 |
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| NashTrash | I am really not certain how to continue troubleshooting from here. My VMs launch OK, but can't connect to the metadata service, and while I can ping the VM private IP, I can not get SSH to work. | 20:39 |
| NashTrash | Floating IPs also seem not to work. | 20:40 |
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| Apsu` | NashTrash: Not really sure. I'll have to setup a devstack with quantum soon. | 20:44 |
| NashTrash | Nod | 20:44 |
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| sean_usage | openstackers, any advice to me if I want to write documents like "a life of VM creation"? | 22:15 |
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| sean_usage | my goal is to make users (like me) to fully understand the runtime behavior of Nova... | 22:15 |
| sean_usage | I heard that OpenStack has a document working committee, how can I participate to do something like this? | 22:16 |
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| clarkb | annegentle: ^ | 22:18 |
| clarkb | sean_usage: annegentle would be the person to get in touch with about documentation | 22:18 |
| Apsu` | She's also a seriously awesome gal. For note. | 22:19 |
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| sean_usage | Is she often online here? How can I best reach her? For some background of myself, I am an OpenStack user but I do not know internals much -- sometimes I want to dig out UML diagrams (especially the Sequence Diagram) to fully understand the system | 22:24 |
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| clarkb | she is typically online here; however, it is Sunday evening in her timezone. She will probably be around tomorrow | 22:32 |
| clarkb | sean_usage: ^ | 22:32 |
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| sean_usage | clarkb: thanks | 22:33 |
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| sean_usage | I will try to ping her to see whether I can help out (help myself to understand and at the same time help others with same curiosity) | 22:33 |
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