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| lifeless | kieppie: pinging is entirely pointless, most folk will not reply. You need to talk/ask about the specific thing you're interested in. | 00:07 |
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| kbrandt | Apsu`: Follow up with the FlatDHCP, should the HWaddr inside the VM match that of VMNet on the host? | 00:58 |
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| kieppie | ?tenant | 02:20 |
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| kieppie | ?region | 02:27 |
| kieppie | what is the "region, referenced as "RegionOne" in many of the docs. there's actually not a lot of info on this | 02:28 |
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| dims | "Regions are groups of servers, server farms, etc. usually located in the same geogrphical area." | 02:33 |
| dims | that's a quote from the docs as well | 02:33 |
| kieppie | thanks dims. seems to be an arbitrary meta descriptive attribute | 02:34 |
| kieppie | re: http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack@lists.launchpad.net/msg10421.html | 02:35 |
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| kieppie | sry - meant: http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack@lists.launchpad.net/msg10437.html | 02:35 |
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| kieppie | i'm now in the process of setting up a new environment based on http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/osfolubuntu-identityservice.html | 02:39 |
| kieppie | (I'll have to do much/all of this via CLI, as the Dashboard does not seem to be able to set this up itself) | 02:42 |
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| kieppie | looking @ http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/osfolubuntu-identityservice.html - the alue/arg of --publicurl "http://10.211.55.17:8774/v2/%(tenant_id)s" | 02:45 |
| kieppie | - the "%(tenant_id)s" seems odd. not immediately clear if this is a value that should be substituted or used as-is. seen it elsewhere when originally setting up the host, so using it for now | 02:45 |
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| triplecheesesina | hello stackers! | 03:33 |
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| kieppie | @ http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/osfolubuntu-identityservice.html - is the following correct? "259703bf8d3c4b5e8aad1179fa8171bd --publicurl "http://10.211.55.17:8080/v1/AUTH_%(tenant_id)s" --adminurl "http://10.211.55.17:8080/v1" --internalurl "http://10.211.55.17:8080/v1/AUTH_%(tenant_id)s"" - note the missing "/AUTH_%(tenant_id)s" @ the end of the —adminurl arg | 03:43 |
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| kieppie | & the next item @ "#For Identity Service" - —adminurl oprt differs | 03:46 |
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| kieppie | on the page referenced, all the `keystone endpoint-create` CLI's seem to be pretty uniform (identical URL vals; with the ecxeption of EC2), with the exception of the —adminurl for swift & keystone | 03:51 |
| kieppie | does that sound right? | 03:51 |
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| kbrandt | Gah, that was a nasty bug: https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Virtualization_Host_Configuration_and_Guest_Installation_Guide/ch11s02.html | 04:29 |
| kbrandt | That is why my DHCP offers were being ignored | 04:29 |
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| ikke-t | good morning, anyone awake yet? | 07:16 |
| ikke-t | would you know if quantum database in mysql should be initialized somehow? | 07:17 |
| ikke-t | like dbsync in other pieces of openstack? | 07:17 |
| ikke-t | i'm converting from nova-network to quantum, but facing problems with mysql db | 07:18 |
| ikke-t | "OperationalError: (OperationalError) no such table: networks" | 07:18 |
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| ikke-t | answering to myself, quantum plugins do populate the mysql while they start. the problem being ubuntu packaging doesn't add linux bridges config to quantum startup conf files. | 08:10 |
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| vivekraghuwanshi | Hi All | 09:01 |
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| vivekraghuwanshi | Now we are having functional Openstack Cloud with Quantum and OpenVSwitch with gre | 09:04 |
| vivekraghuwanshi | questions are invited if any one is having | 09:04 |
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| kieppie | hmmmmm | 09:24 |
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| kieppie | I think I have enough of a very basic understanding of the constituent parts to drive the system for now. How can I make a backup of my setup (config, etc), so that I can rebuild the system from scratch? would I only need to make a backup of the /etc/* configs, or would I need to snatch the DB too, or are there other bits & pieces I might need too? | 09:26 |
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| vivekraghuwanshi | hi | 09:32 |
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| alexn6 | :) raise a question - may be it will be a new service - BaaS :) | 09:32 |
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| zykes- | BaaS alexn6 | 09:33 |
| zykes- | ? | 09:33 |
| alexn6 | DB`s for sure, and depends of what other services do you have | 09:33 |
| kieppie | I think I'm going to turf this install of mine & roll with the RackSpace ISO - hoping that I won't encounter the same issues via the v.1 stable ISO that I have working through the docs | 09:34 |
| alexn6 | Backup as a Service | 09:34 |
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| zykes- | alexn6: who's making that ? | 09:34 |
| zykes- | ;p | 09:34 |
| zykes- | kieppie: what problems do you get ? | 09:34 |
| kieppie | hehehe | 09:34 |
| alexn6 | just joke | 09:34 |
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| kieppie | nah - just a bunch of really little ons that I've been trying to sort out; most originating from typo's in docco's. got an operational system, but little things like the object store not returning in time & the desktop/horison not beeing fully operational | 09:36 |
| Razique | hey there | 09:36 |
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| alexn6 | kieppie, hmm, to backup all - copy /etc/{nova,glance,keystone} & /var/lib/{nova,glance} && DB`s mysqldump or SQLite files (in /var/lib/{nova,glance}...) .(I don`t remember where is dashboard). If your ObjectStore didn`t ever worked - there will be very small size of /var/lib/nova/ . If your nova run VMs you may also want to store their images (in /var/lib/nova/instances). And to reduce BKP size you may delete /var/lib/nova/onstances/_base dir, which is f | 09:45 |
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| kieppie | alexn6 - cheers. looks like I have most of that already | 09:46 |
| alexn6 | kieppie, but you can also think about - do you need such BKP at all :) | 09:46 |
| kieppie | probably not. think it'll be mostly for reference anyway. was a bit tricky getting all my config operational to begin with, so I just want to keep it safe… just in case | 09:48 |
| alexn6 | kieppie, If you ever use nova-volumes, backup them also (from LVM partition) | 09:48 |
| alexn6 | ok | 09:48 |
| kieppie | as best I can see, the dashboard/horizon is OK for viewing states, but not so much for admin (i.e. provisioning, etc) yet. but I can see where it's trying to go. maybe in a few releases | 09:49 |
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| alexn6 | kieppie, are you about Essex? | 09:51 |
| alexn6 | Anybody! What it can be if novnc proxy service give 127.0.0.1 address in URL, but config looks right? | 09:52 |
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| kieppie | alexn6 - I've installed Folsom on Ubuntu 12.04. I'll blow that in favour of the RackSpace Private Cloud Essex on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS ISO soon. I really want to make use of this system in production | 09:59 |
| kieppie | anyhow | 10:00 |
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| kieppie | bb | 10:00 |
| kieppie | thnx | 10:00 |
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| yolanda | hi, i'm trying to send a review with gerrit and i'm receiving that error: fatal: A Contributor Agreement must be completed before uploading: | 10:23 |
| yolanda | http://wiki.openstack.org/HowToContribute | 10:23 |
| yolanda | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly | 10:23 |
| yolanda | i already signed the CLA and i'm a member of the openstack group | 10:23 |
| yolanda | what can be causing the problem? | 10:23 |
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| aloga | yolanda: are you in this group? https://launchpad.net/~openstack-cla/+join | 10:25 |
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| yolanda | aloga, yes, i'm a member of this | 10:29 |
| yolanda | i was approved today | 10:29 |
| aloga | the i do not know :-/ | 10:29 |
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| yolanda | my membership was approved this morning, maybe i need to give some time? | 10:37 |
| jpich | yolanda: If you log in to review.openstack.org and go to your group membership settings, can you see openstack-cla in the list? | 10:37 |
| jpich | yolanda: Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of a delay | 10:38 |
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| D4v_d | hey | 10:39 |
| yolanda | jpich, where can i see the memberships? btw, i see that my username there is yrobla, and my launchpad one is yolanda.robla, maybe there is some conflict there? | 10:40 |
| D4v_d | anybody knows how I could create a vm with xcp(xe as the tool) from existing raw image? | 10:40 |
| jpich | yolanda: If you go to settings (besides your logged in name) then groups | 10:41 |
| yolanda | jpich, i only see Anonymous users and Registered users there | 10:42 |
| jpich | yolanda: You should sign in with the same launchpad account I believe so... the name should be the same, no? | 10:42 |
| yolanda | jpich, email is the same as the one in launchpad | 10:42 |
| yolanda | i signed with that address | 10:42 |
| jpich | yolanda: Actually in the "Agreements" link it also says "Verified" for me | 10:42 |
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| yolanda | jpich, if i click on Agreements there is a link to sign a New contributor agreement for me | 10:43 |
| yolanda | but i already did it, and i have the pdf with the echosign | 10:43 |
| jpich | yolanda: So... that's the problem. I don't remember if it always takes a bit of time before showing up though (probably does) | 10:44 |
| jpich | yolanda: Sorry! | 10:45 |
| yolanda | jpich, ok, so i just wait for a day... | 10:45 |
| yolanda | also, the different username makes any difference? i see that as yrobla, but i cannot modify it | 10:45 |
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| jpich | yolanda: Is that the username in the "Profile"? | 10:46 |
| ksk | hey | 10:46 |
| ksk | i got a problem installing devstack | 10:47 |
| ksk | /opt/stack/devstack/functions: line 683: cd: /opt/stack/python-keystoneclient: No such file or directory | 10:47 |
| yolanda | jpich, yes | 10:47 |
| ksk | ( there is no such file or directory ) - any hint whats wrong? | 10:47 |
| jpich | yolanda: That's kind of weird... It shows the same username for me. Do you have multiple launchpad accounts set up? | 10:47 |
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| yolanda | jpich, no | 10:48 |
| jpich | yolanda: And I see yolanda.rabla on launchpad but no account for yrobla. I have no idea! I wonder if someone on #openstack-dev might know better | 10:49 |
| yolanda | ok, i'll try | 10:49 |
| yolanda | maybe it's a problem with that | 10:49 |
| jpich | Good luck | 10:50 |
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| D4v_d | anybody knows how I could create a vm with xcp(xe as the tool) from existing raw image? | 10:54 |
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| yolanda | jpich, thx | 10:57 |
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| ikke-t | is it ok to mix and match nodes with quantum+linuxbridges and quantum+ovs? | 10:58 |
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| nico___ | hi, I am trying out a multinode openstack setup with devstack and get a "Invalid OpenStack Identity credentials" message from glance-index; has anyone faced this before? | 11:05 |
| nico___ | I think it's quite similar to the bug in here: https://answers.launchpad.net/glance/+question/213537 | 11:05 |
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| yolanda | jpich, no response from dev... | 11:15 |
| yolanda | i want to submit a small bugfix for nova and i'm unable to do it :( | 11:15 |
| jpich | yolanda: Maybe when more people wake up and come online you'll find better answer | 11:15 |
| yolanda | oh, wait... | 11:16 |
| yolanda | something has updated... | 11:16 |
| jpich | yolanda: Ah? | 11:16 |
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| yolanda | git has been able to submit my review now, although i don't see my groups in the openstack website... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/15876/ | 11:17 |
| jpich | yolanda: That's great! Seems your username is showing properly too | 11:18 |
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| jpich | yolanda: So it seems it was a matter of waiting. Out of curiosity, how long between the time you were approved on openstack-cla and the time you were able to push a patch? | 11:19 |
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| yolanda | jpich, actually i signed the CLA on friday, and requested membership... but it was rejected because i haven't added myself as contributor, and i had approval this morning | 11:21 |
| yolanda | over 3 hours ago | 11:21 |
| mikal | IIRC gerrit takes up to two hours? | 11:22 |
| jpich | Good to know, thanks yolanda, mikal | 11:22 |
| yolanda | thx, good to know | 11:23 |
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| ksk | hey guys | 12:39 |
| ksk | i just installed devstack sucessfully ( stack.sh told me) but all i get after login is an "ClientException at /admin/" | 12:40 |
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| ksk | any hint what do do now? :/ | 12:41 |
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| ksk | traceback: http://paste.debian.net/208552/ | 12:55 |
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| NuxRo | Is there a way to enforce user quotas in swift? | 13:48 |
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| alexn6 | NuxRo, see https://answers.launchpad.net/swift/+question/209325 | 13:54 |
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| NuxRo | yeah, so nothing new | 13:54 |
| NuxRo | you'd think quota support would be a basic feature and they wouldn't release without it | 13:55 |
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| alexn6 | don`t know. ask in -dev channel | 13:57 |
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| ksk | i just installed devstack sucessfully ( stack.sh told me) but all i get after login is an "ClientException at /admin/" | 14:08 |
| ksk | any hint what do do now? :/ | 14:08 |
| ksk | traceback: http://paste.debian.net/208552/ | 14:08 |
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| One-Man-Bucket | can i set default permissions for the ephemeral drive? | 15:29 |
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| One-Man-Bucket | EmilienM_: do you know if it's possible to set permissions of the ephemeral drive? | 15:36 |
| One-Man-Bucket | it's automounted on /mnt for my linux images | 15:36 |
| One-Man-Bucket | and the fstab entry seems to be injected by cloud-init | 15:36 |
| One-Man-Bucket | i want to make it writable to all users | 15:37 |
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| Bullysz | How do I familiarise myself with the source code of open stack. Any documentations available? | 15:44 |
| Dr_Who | Bullysz, look on openstack.org | 15:44 |
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| ksk | #iptables | 16:22 |
| Vega | with openstack | 16:23 |
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| gatuus | has anyone played with windows images and sysprep?? I want to know if its possible that openstack provides an "automatic" password and "PC-name" everytime a windows instance is created... ???? | 16:33 |
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| gatuus | like it does with linux images providing a SSH-jey | 16:35 |
| gatuus | "key" | 16:35 |
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| ksk | hi. i just installed devstack on a fresh ubuntu 12.04 - shit does not work -- any known issues? | 16:36 |
| ksk | i can login but it then just says "ClientException at /admin/" | 16:36 |
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| koolhead17 | hi all | 17:07 |
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| jtriley | Anyone know if there are plans to incorporate tagging/filtering into the OpenStack API compatible with EC2 | 17:47 |
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| gatuus | I found a "cloud-init" like thing for windows called: CIPS | 17:56 |
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| gatuus | anyone tryied that? | 17:57 |
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| ksk | hi. i just installed devstack on a fresh ubuntu 12.04 - shit does not work -- any known issues? | 18:08 |
| ksk | i can login but it then just says "ClientException at /admin/" | 18:08 |
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| Guest81472 | Hello all, how much of openstack do I need to run swift/proxy? | 19:45 |
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| adje | Hello all | 19:54 |
| adje | Would anyone know the bare minimum requirement for only running swift/proxy? | 19:55 |
| adje | Or do I need all of openstack? | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | I don't think you need any other openstack bits to run swift | 19:58 |
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| Math___1 | adje: swift runs by itself | 19:58 |
| clarkb | though you can use keystone iirc | 19:58 |
| Math___1 | you need swift + keystone | 19:59 |
| adje | thanks clarkb / Math___1 | 19:59 |
| Math___1 | keystone is optional, but I would strongly suggest you deploy swift with keystone | 19:59 |
| adje | Is it possible to cut out keystone? | 19:59 |
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| adje | It's a closed environment, on a restricted subnet. | 19:59 |
| Math___1 | you can used tempauth ou swauth (swauth is a separate python egg now) | 20:00 |
| adje | excellent, I'll go investigate | 20:00 |
| adje | thank you | 20:00 |
| Math___1 | keystone is for token management, you need one | 20:00 |
| Math___1 | if you want to be EC2 compatible, I'd suggest keystone | 20:00 |
| dolphm | adje: you should still be able to run swift with tempauth instead of keystone | 20:00 |
| Math___1 | and you can't migrate later down the road from swauth or tempauth to keystone | 20:01 |
| adje | this will never leave here, the bandwidth costs would kill us. | 20:01 |
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| Math___1 | even if it is internal | 20:01 |
| adje | ah ok | 20:01 |
| Math___1 | it all depends on the client you want to use to access your data | 20:01 |
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| adje | http and swift-client (sp?) | 20:02 |
| Math___1 | that works :) but not very user friendly | 20:02 |
| adje | :) | 20:02 |
| adje | v v helpful, much appreciated | 20:03 |
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| Math___1 | np | 20:03 |
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| jefferai | I appear to be hitting this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1073571 except that my enabled_apis is both defined and doesn't have osapi_volume in it | 20:10 |
| jefferai | any ideas? | 20:10 |
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| yocum | hi all | 20:34 |
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| yocum | I kinda screwed up and accidentally removed the 'admin' user from the 'admin' project using the dashboard. Is there any easy way to fix that? I'm assuming I'll have to fiddle with the database manually.... | 20:35 |
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| jgriffith | jefferai: Was it every configured with the nova volume api at one point? | 20:38 |
| gmi | jefferai: did you restart nova-api? can you "grep enabled_apis /var/log/nova/nova-api.log" ? | 20:38 |
| jefferai | jgriffith: at some point, yes, but there are no nova-api daemons running | 20:38 |
| jefferai | originally nova-volume was in the enabled_apis | 20:38 |
| jgriffith | jefferai: gmi has the right idea | 20:39 |
| gmi | jefferai: can you see what process is listening on port 8775? | 20:39 |
| jefferai | will look, sec | 20:39 |
| jefferai | gmi: yeah, cinder-api | 20:39 |
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| gmi | jefferai: so, your cinder-api is already listening on 8775 and it cannot do this twice | 20:39 |
| jefferai | gmi: well right, because I want to use cinder instead of nova-volume | 20:40 |
| jefferai | so I took osapi_volume out of enabled_apis in nova.conf but it doesn't seem to be holding | 20:40 |
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| jefferai | gmi: also, when I grep for enabled_apis in nova-api.log, no matches | 20:40 |
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| gmi | jefferai: I'm not sure what the problem is then. You don't have nova-api managing the volume API anymore because cinder has its own API manager. As the bug reports says, you cannot use both osapi_volume and cinder-api. | 20:43 |
| jefferai | gmi: I just figured it out, and it's due to an issue in the installation guide | 20:44 |
| jgriffith | jefferai: do tell? | 20:44 |
| jefferai | it's on here: | 20:44 |
| jefferai | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/configuring-openstack-compute-basics.html | 20:44 |
| jefferai | if you use that configuration as listed there | 20:44 |
| jefferai | most of your variables don't go under [DEFAULT] | 20:44 |
| jgriffith | jefferai: Which item specifically? | 20:44 |
| jefferai | they go under [keystone_authtoken] | 20:45 |
| jgriffith | jefferai: ? | 20:45 |
| jefferai | it's an ini file | 20:45 |
| jefferai | options go in groups | 20:45 |
| jefferai | groups are declared with [ABCXYZ] | 20:45 |
| jgriffith | jefferai: I'm asking what it is that is "wrong" with the doc | 20:46 |
| jefferai | I just told you | 20:46 |
| jefferai | with the doc as is | 20:46 |
| jefferai | most of the options are being put in the [keystone_authtoken] group | 20:46 |
| jefferai | and thus being ignored | 20:46 |
| jefferai | so enabled_apis was being ignored because it was under the wrong group | 20:46 |
| annegentle_ | jefferai: ah is the [keystone_authtoken] group wrong? I just changed it to use that | 20:46 |
| jgriffith | jefferai: thanksf or the clarification | 20:46 |
| jefferai | annegentle_: I'm not really sure what's right, but you can see that this http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/osfolubuntu-computesevice.html | 20:46 |
| jefferai | doesn't have it | 20:46 |
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| annegentle_ | jefferai: ah then it is a doc bug, I'll log | 20:47 |
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| jefferai | yeah, although I'm not sure what is correct | 20:47 |
| jefferai | I guess I'll be figuring that out sooner rather than later though | 20:47 |
| jefferai | down with one problem, onto the next | 20:47 |
| jefferai | :-) | 20:47 |
| annegentle_ | jefferai: the osfolubuntu-computesevice.html was meant to be a quick-n-dirty walkthrough | 20:47 |
| annegentle_ | was/is | 20:47 |
| jgriffith | jefferai: annegentle_ Typically I just put everything under the "DEFAULT" heading | 20:47 |
| jgriffith | then I don't have to mess with it | 20:48 |
| jefferai | jgriffith: what's the purpose of the keystone_authtoken group then? | 20:48 |
| annegentle_ | jgriffith: aww I like the commented nova.conf :) | 20:48 |
| jefferai | is it deprecated from essex? | 20:48 |
| annegentle_ | jefferai: my understanding is that it's optional to use the keystone_authtoken | 20:48 |
| jefferai | because there's also configuration in the paste file | 20:48 |
| jgriffith | annegentle_: Can still comment it :) | 20:48 |
| annegentle_ | you want to use it to get all "userstuff" out of the api paste ini files though | 20:48 |
| annegentle_ | so devs can blow those away as needed | 20:48 |
| jefferai | ah | 20:48 |
| jefferai | I see | 20:48 |
| annegentle_ | that's how it was 'splained to me | 20:48 |
| jefferai | hm | 20:49 |
| jefferai | cause the docs still tell you to update the paste files :-( | 20:49 |
| notmyname | adje: I just got back from lunch. I can answer swift questions you have | 20:49 |
| adje | notmyname: thanks, I'm pretty good to go with tempauth I think. | 20:49 |
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| notmyname | adje: cool | 20:49 |
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| adje | I have a Q regarding the proxy though. | 20:50 |
| adje | Is it redirecting or sitting in stream? | 20:50 |
| notmyname | adje: sitting in the stream | 20:50 |
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| swinchen | I am trying to add a default gw, and I get "SIOCADDRT: No such process" this is the command: "route add default gw 130.111.46.1 dev br-ex" any idea why could be causing this? | 20:51 |
| adje | Is it unusual then to have one proxy per storage node? | 20:51 |
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| sstent | could someone on an ubuntu box do me a favor an d run the follwing and post the output? -- vs --noheadings -o lv_path /dev/**somevolumegroup** | 20:51 |
| sstent | could someone on an ubuntu box do me a favor an d run the follwing and post the output? -- 'lvs --noheadings -o lv_path /dev/**somevolumegroup**' | 20:51 |
| swinchen | br-ex does exist, I created it with openvswitch | 20:51 |
| adje | notmyname: sorry, not a regular irc user, so forget to prefix... | 20:51 |
| annegentle_ | jefferai: ok, that's probably another doc bug then | 20:52 |
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| notmyname | adje: no. the ratio of proxy:storage depends on your needs (client connections vs storage needs) | 20:52 |
| notmyname | adje: what size of cluster are you looking at (if you can't be specific, then can you be general)? and what's your use case? | 20:53 |
| adje | notmyname: tx. I'm looking to switch from hadoop (because of the proxy). | 20:53 |
| notmyname | adje: ah. I don't think swift replaced hadoop at all, but swift is a great place to store your source data and whatever you're generating with hadoop | 20:54 |
| adje | notmyname: it will be 6 storage machines, just 36TB, handling short lived large intermediates. | 20:54 |
| adje | notmyname: only hdfs, not all of hadoop | 20:54 |
| adje | notmyname: so 50-250MB intermediates by the thousands, with perhaps a one week lifecycle, typically only read once | 20:55 |
| notmyname | adje: but still, hadoop handles data/compute locality, and you don't have visibility into where in the cluster swift is putting the data (at least, externally). so hadoop with a swift-replacement-for-hdfs will still likely need to do a lot of network traffic | 20:55 |
| notmyname | unless I'm missing something | 20:56 |
| adje | notmyname: I misspoke with hadoop, we only use HDFS. | 20:56 |
| adje | notmyname: all compute is third party 'dumb' filesystem clients, swift would be providing redundant scalable storage which would be then locally cached for the third party clients. | 20:57 |
| notmyname | adje: ah ok. you're using hdfs as a distributed filesystem? swift isn't a file system (I'm trying to poke holes in what you're saying to ensure that you get something that's the best fit) | 20:57 |
| notmyname | ok | 20:57 |
| adje | notmyname: don't need a filesytem, just an object store. HDFS was/is ok, but http as a read mechanism is nicer. | 20:58 |
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| notmyname | adje: ok then ;-) sounds like swift will work. let me know how I can help | 20:58 |
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| adje | notmyname: my only concern with the proxy is that it becomes the choke point. | 20:59 |
| sstent | anyone here running LVM backed VMs in Folsom? do your LVs get removed when you delete a VM? | 20:59 |
| adje | notmyname: as it's only gige between all the hosts I have available. | 21:00 |
| notmyname | adje: the proxy server tier of your swift cluster is independently scalable from your storage | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | adje: a 1g network is fine (but realize that the effective throughput of your writes will be limited to 1/N bits/sec, where N=your replica count) | 21:01 |
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| swinchen | ugh, I am really stuck :/ | 21:01 |
| adje | notmyname: so each storage node providing swift and proxy is fair? these 6 hosts will be hit by 40-100 readers, 4-10 writers. | 21:02 |
| notmyname | adje: swift isn't optimized for single stream throughput. it's optimized for concurrency. you'll probably be limited by either your HDDs or your internal network for single streams. | 21:02 |
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| adje | notmyname: yep, seems network will be the issue. there's no delayed replication? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | adje: ya, running everything in a small cluster like that is perfectly fine. and, depending on the size of those objects and the access patterns, that's not a very heavy load to worry about | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | adje: replication can be configured to slow down some, but swift prioritizes getting enough replicas of your data (durability). | 21:04 |
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| adje | notmyname: and the replication is pushed from the client, or from the swift node to the replication partner(s)? | 21:05 |
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| adje | notmyname: actually I'll go pull ubuntu and run through the SAIO. | 21:07 |
| adje | notmyname: you've been very helpful, thank you | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | adje: replication is push-based within the cluster (each storage node pushes to the other storage node). the client isn't involved in replication | 21:08 |
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| adje | notmyname: ah excellent. does the client write complete on the first node, or on the replication? | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | adje: the proxy ensures that a majority of the replicas have been written before sending success to the client (in the case of 3 replicas, 2 must be successfully written to disk) | 21:11 |
| adje | notmyname: +1 | 21:11 |
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| swinchen | Has anyone here followed this guide before: https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/VLAN/2NICs/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst | 21:14 |
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| swinchen | When I get to section 6, I "route add default gw 130.111.46.1 br-ex" and get this error: "SIOCADDRT: No such process" | 21:15 |
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| swinchen | If i delete the brige and just use "route add default gw 130.111.46.1 eth1" it works fine. Something is up with the bridge | 21:27 |
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| adje | reading through the deployment guide, "Preparing the Ring": Why 100 partitions per drive, when later it talks of keeping the number of partitions small? | 21:34 |
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| MooingLemur | in order to discover that a 0-byte object is actually a manifest of larger chunks, it appears that I have to HEAD it and inspect the headers. I can't just get that info (with the size) via the object list, is that correct? | 21:36 |
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| zach_mtu | Do we have any numbers for the largest OpenStack deployments? | 21:58 |
| zach_mtu | HP Cloud, etc? | 21:58 |
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| kbrandt | I guess this is very 101, but googling is failing me, how do I launch instances that are persistent ? | 22:08 |
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| prometheanfire | zach_mtu: I'm guessing it's us, but dunno absolutely for sure | 22:10 |
| prometheanfire | zach_mtu: rackspace that is | 22:10 |
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| lifeless | kbrandt: what do you mean by persistent :) | 22:13 |
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| bsdgeek | an instance is per se not persitence | 22:15 |
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| kbrandt | Can't I make on that uses a volume or something like that? | 22:16 |
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| bsdgeek | you can run an instance make updates and install everything you want …then you can make an snapshot…then terminate the instance and run from the snapshot a new instance | 22:18 |
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| kbrandt | bsdgeek: Yes I have done that, but with something like a Domain controller I'm not sure that makes sense | 22:18 |
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| kbrandt | Need something more like a normal VM instance | 22:19 |
| kbrandt | What is boot from volume for? Was guessing it was something like this | 22:20 |
| bsdgeek | ok you can run an instance so long as you will | 22:20 |
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| bsdgeek | boot from volume is the same as run a normal instance i think | 22:20 |
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| bsdgeek | an instance is also host reboot persistence | 22:21 |
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| kbrandt | Ah, so as long as I don't terminate the instance (Delete it) it will retain it's state? | 22:22 |
| bsdgeek | yep | 22:22 |
| kbrandt | And then snapshots are basically backups? Poor ones unless I copy it somehwere of course | 22:22 |
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| bsdgeek | not really backups | 22:22 |
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| kbrandt | Will instances always maintain the same IP they were given via DHCP accross host reboots? | 22:23 |
| bsdgeek | i'm not sure | 22:23 |
| bsdgeek | i can not remember at this point | 22:23 |
| bsdgeek | but i think so | 22:24 |
| bsdgeek | the virtual nic should have the same mac-address | 22:24 |
| bsdgeek | but i think you can an unstance a staic ip | 22:26 |
| bsdgeek | *give | 22:26 |
| bsdgeek | instance not unstance ^^ | 22:26 |
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| bsdgeek | ohh its late ^^ | 22:26 |
| kbrandt | I do get why this is normally going against things, but for something like a Windows domain controller it does seem like an exception to the norm | 22:27 |
| dansmith | yeah | 22:27 |
| dansmith | oops | 22:27 |
| kbrandt | Static ip sounds like a good option, will see if I can figure that out | 22:27 |
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| bsdgeek | for a dc you must figure out what happening with the dns | 22:28 |
| kbrandt | Hmm.. good point | 22:28 |
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| kbrandt | Although, can probably just edit that after launching instances | 22:29 |
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| bsdgeek | you can use dns-masq as "external" dns for the dns of the dc | 22:29 |
| kbrandt | That settable in nova.conf with FlatDHCP manager? | 22:30 |
| bsdgeek | i dont think so | 22:30 |
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| bsdgeek | vlan is more suitable for this case i thing | 22:32 |
| bsdgeek | think ^^ | 22:32 |
| kbrandt | That makes sense, for now just messing around at home though, so happy I finally got networking working :-P | 22:33 |
| kbrandt | Took me *days* | 22:33 |
| bsdgeek | yeah me too^ | 22:33 |
| bsdgeek | ^^ | 22:33 |
| uvirtbot` | bsdgeek: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 22:33 |
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| bsdgeek | so it's late here …good night guys :) | 22:37 |
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| kbrandt | Thanks for the tips! | 22:37 |
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| bsdgeek | np | 22:37 |
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| zach_mtu | prometheanfire: Do you have any numbers released? | 23:01 |
| zach_mtu | prometheanfire: Instances / Nodes? | 23:01 |
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| prometheanfire | zach_mtu: dunno them myself and dunno if they are public | 23:19 |
| prometheanfire | zach_mtu: they may be part of our quarterly ftc report thingy | 23:19 |
| prometheanfire | but that might be nodes overall, not just openstack | 23:19 |
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