Saturday, 2012-12-01

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uvirtbotNew bug: #1079611 in horizon "Download Juju Environment Config gives wrong credentials" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107961100:26
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085276 in quantum "The router interface cannot be deleted by using Quantum Folsom Metaplugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108527600:41
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085277 in openstack-manuals "Qunatum needs to document minimum supported dnsmasq version " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108527700:41
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1068430 in swift "container-sync documentation could be improved" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106843001:06
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1081010 in horizon "can't find node (dup-of: 1070083)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108101001:35
uvirtbotNew bug: #1081795 in nova "Nova rootwrap is too permissive with iproute(2) arguments" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108179501:35
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085325 in nova "confirm_resize tries to update dest resource tracker" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108532503:10
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1081325 in quantum "no check prevents deletion of router interface needed by a floating ip" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108132503:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1080680 in openstack-manuals "uid mismatch prevents live migration and nfs share" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108068003:41
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085346 in horizon "pep8 check ignores identation errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108534607:45
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hydro-bhmm, it looks like the parameters in sysctl.conf (at least ipv6 autoconf/accept_ra) are not applied anymore08:50
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hydro-bwhoops, wrong channel, never mind :p08:51
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criuhi12:00
EKKHello12:01
criusome advice to deploy virtual nodes on esxi?12:02
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criusame steps of vmware?12:02
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criuhi miriam12:04
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miriamhochwaldI am a Noob12:06
miriamhochwaldfirst time IRC12:06
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miriamhochwaldwhat project are you working on criu12:12
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vkmchi folks :) is is possible that i can't access to my home partition after setting up devstack?12:15
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085404 in openstack-manuals "Document LVM-backed instances" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108540413:36
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085411 in openstack-manuals "nova.conf sample in install needs second copy for RHEL qpid config" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108541114:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085426 in openstack-manuals "Document configuring mysql for production" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108542615:45
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085446 in openstack-manuals "Folsom Install guide has link to Essex admin guide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108544617:01
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scalability-junkhey is shared storage for vms via ceph for high availibilty over a 1gbit/s network connection a good idea or is this stupid?17:18
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scalability-junklocal storage will probably have faster reads and writes and the high availibility is nothing too important, except that failure recovery should be available in a few minutes, ist this usually working without shared storage?17:19
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scalability-junkany ideas or recommendations?17:20
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scalability-junkanother question is it possible to define read, write and max bandwidth to default vm sizes: say 512mb ram, 5gb disk, 500kb/s write and 5mbit/s bandwidth or so?17:34
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zynzelscalability-junk: before running ceph in production env17:42
zynzeltest it :)17:42
scalability-junkzynzel, yeah this part was emphasized a lot in the ceph channel and in every documentation I read about it :D17:42
zynzelyou can limit io bandwidth via cgroups, but openstack dont support it 'from a box'17:42
zynzelscalability-junk: great, i crash ceph cluster in 1h :)17:43
zynzelbut if you path openstack, or maybe write own mechanism to limit i/o.17:43
scalability-junkzynzel, so you would say no ceph for now and start with lvm...17:43
zynzeli have script to limit i/o via ssh :)17:44
zynzelscalability-junk: this depends on how you use ceph.17:44
zynzelhow you ensure cluster capacity17:44
zynzeletc.17:44
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scalability-junkceph usage would probably be in the region of ridiculous for using ceph :D17:45
zynzelif you assume that you have always free space in cluster, this should work.17:45
scalability-junkzynzel, kk17:45
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zynzelbut also check ceph rbd with openstack.17:45
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scalability-junkzynzel, mh i/o via ssh, so you limit the i/o via the compute node with a limit i/o command (sort of)?17:45
zynzelscalability-junk: yeah.17:46
zynzelcheck nova db for physical server where vm lives, log on it, and limit i/o for XXkb/s or XX IO/s17:46
saurabh1need to know about openstack nova version for installation on single node .. experimental purpose17:46
scalability-junkzynzel, too bad that this isn't something you could add as admin to each vms...17:46
zynzelscalability-junk: patch will be very simple if you use libvirt with cgroup support17:47
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zynzelsaurabh1: folsom is stable release.17:47
scalability-junkzynzel, is there any reason why this isn't something default with perhaps options for admins via horizon?17:48
scalability-junkI don't mind the ssh solution, especially cause my server count is really really small :D17:48
zynzelscalability-junk: propably no one needs it :)17:48
zynzelscalability-junk: and you should consider many situation for example limit based on flavor?17:49
scalability-junkzynzel, being able to at least not crash the disk of the compute host is something I really find necessary :D17:49
zynzelor maybe on admin request?17:49
zykes-zynzel: you on folsom ? ;p17:49
zynzelzykes-: essex-e3 :)17:50
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zynzelwith own patches+own packages (libvirt, rabbit, etc)17:50
zykes-awwww ├ąp17:51
zykes-get going already ;p17:51
zynzelscalability-junk: this is architecture task to 'not crash on high load'17:51
zynzelfor eample, overbooking.17:51
zynzelif you start 100 vms on 16 cores, limiting IO dont have sense ;)17:52
scalability-junkzynzel, but without any I/O limits, one vm could eat up all disk I/Os... or do I totally not get it?17:52
zynzelscalability-junk: if you use fast disk, one vm dont eat everything :)17:52
scalability-junkzynzel, my plan was more like 20 vms on 8 cores ;) and 16gb ram...17:53
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zynzelscalability-junk: we use 24 ht cores with 24gb ram17:53
scalability-junkzynzel, so you say it's probably not worth the effort to limit bandwidth and I/O?17:53
zynzeland 'sell' 23 cores per node for vms.17:53
zynzelif you want sell more vms, you should consider buying more ram.17:54
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scalability-junkzynzel, on this node I won't go over the 20 vm limit for now, if I do I will add another compute node first with 64gb ram probably...17:54
zynzelscalability-junk: not really, limit i/o have sens, for example if client use 'bad writes' (very small block size)17:54
zynzelbut if you need cuting down all vms, maybe try to buy better hardware?17:55
zynzelif you want, i can paste my script in monday.17:56
scalability-junkzynzel, ^^ it was not the I have the problem with bad users and one vm eating up all I/O, but I wanted to at least limit each vm to have 1/4 of the total I/O and bandwidth. to prevent worst cases.17:57
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scalability-junkzynzel, would love that.17:57
zynzelscalability-junk: pls, msg me on monday 8.00-17.00 cet, so i do not forget :)17:58
scalability-junkI will thanks.17:59
scalability-junkzynzel, do you use local disk only or shared storage for vms?18:00
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zynzelscalability-junk: local ssd driver for vms root and ephemeral18:02
zynzeland 'big' storage node for volumes18:02
zynzelbut not any shared storage18:02
scalability-junkstorage node with lvm I assume?18:03
zynzelscalability-junk: yeah18:03
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* scalability-junk thinks about using lvm instead of ceph...18:05
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1085456 in quantum "quantum.api.v2.resource unittest coverage incomplete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108545618:05
zynzelscalability-junk: ceph can be great.18:06
zynzelfor example you can create volumes as big as cluster, not only one physical server.18:06
scalability-junkzynzel, the big as cluster would be like ony physical one right now :D18:06
zynzelbut in my env i need rock solid storage18:06
zynzeland i can crash ceph cluster in simple way.18:07
zynzelscalability-junk: yeah, for now - but in future you can add more servr without problem.18:07
scalability-junkmh true, damn always these decisions :P18:07
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scalability-junkzynzel, I found something interesting, it seems the blueprint proposition on the resource limits is now available.18:14
scalability-junkso you actually can set the limits to flavors... http://wiki.openstack.org/InstanceResourceQuota18:15
scalability-junkyeah that's cool, with peak, burst and average usage patterns.18:16
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scalability-junkat least it hopefully work like this in gerrit ;)18:16
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scalability-junk*grizzly18:19
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zynzelWith the support of cgroup, libvirt can limit instances's CPU, disk IO18:19
zynzelconsumption.18:19
zynzelyeah, cgroups :)18:20
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scalability-junkzynzel, yeah it's just a more automatic approach with using flavors instead of per node ssh config :P18:21
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zynzelyes, but i need this feature for 'bad' clients only ;)18:22
zynzelnot for all, so my ssh limit is great ;)18:22
scalability-junkzynzel, that's where the different limits come into play. just have a high peak value and some usual average one and you are even good to go via flavors :P18:23
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zynzelfunny thing, i implement new features before openstack blueprint ;)18:25
zynzeli should commit my work probably :)18:25
scalability-junkzynzel, yeah you probably should :P18:26
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zynzelneed more hours in the day ;)18:27
scalability-junkzynzel, yeah that would be a great life feature :P can you implement that too?18:27
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zynzelstop sleeping ;D18:28
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scalability-junkzynzel, tried that, not too good when having social contacts :D18:29
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scalability-junkzynzel, how do you monitor vm usage and find bad clients? probably not from within the vm I assume. for that I would use munin, but from the hypervisor end is there anything worthwhile?18:38
zynzelscalability-junk: we use zabbix for monitor hypervisors18:40
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scalability-junkzynzel, thanks for all the infos I appreciate that. I'll poke you on monday about the snippet.18:50
zynzelscalability-junk: no problem, happy i can help.18:52
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ajmanyone know if there are more up to date .debs of openstack components anywhere?21:27
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clarkbajm: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-testing/+archive/grizzly-trunk-testing are testing debs for grizzly21:33
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clarkband canonical has the cloud archive. I guess it depends on how much more up to date you are looking for21:34
ajmclarkb: latest 2012.2 (like any bug fixes and such)21:34
ajmi'm using ubuntu cloud now, but those seem a few months old or so (quantum anyway) and some bug fixes aren't incorporated21:35
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clarkb2012.2.1 just released on Thursday I think. Not sure if cloud archive intends on adding that but if they do a day and a half may not have been enough time21:42
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ajmclarkb: yeah, i'm making them now myself :)21:54
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Fiveohmikehey guys, anyone around?23:26
jeremybdoes it matter?23:26
Fiveohmikewell as a new stacker was just popping in to see if someone could take a look at an apache error I am getting with horizon23:28
jeremybdon't ask to ask. that's a general rule not just for this channel23:29
jeremybask your question, provide copies of your errors, etc.23:29
jeremybdon't wait for someone to show up23:29
Fiveohmikegotcha23:29
jpichFiveohmike: Do you have the error copied in a paste somewhere? (e.g. http://paste.openstack.org/)23:30
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FiveohmikeI do now :) http://paste.openstack.org/show/27128/23:31
jeremybFiveohmike: also, invest in an irc client ;)23:32
FiveohmikeHeh ya, im getting there i just followed the link from the openstack.org page23:32
jpichFiveohmike: hm... How did you install OpenStack?23:33
FiveohmikeI have just been using the documentation on the openstack website.  I am testing this through a VirtualBox VM.  I followed the prereqs from http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/ap_installingfolsomubuntuprecise.html for a single node installation23:34
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Fiveohmikeive gone through everything up to the Dashboard, and everything has been succseful so far (of course substituting my own date for IP's, and id's.23:35
Fiveohmikedata*23:36
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jpichFiveohmike: Ok... I'm afraid I won't be able to help, sorry :( I have seen this before but had messed up my environment and re-did it from scratch to "fix" it23:37
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jpichhmm... I'll have to type faster next time :')23:38
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jpichFiveohmike: Hey! I was telling you I'm not sure how to help, sorry. I saw this before but I had messed up my environment by installing some projects from the Folsom release and others from the development branches, and I had to rebuild from scratch. Maybe someone else will be able to help :)23:40
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jeremybFiveohmike: 01 23:37:53 < jpich> Fiveohmike: Ok... I'm afraid I won't be able to help, sorry :( I have seen this before but had messed up  my environment and re-did it from scratch to "fix" it23:40
Fiveohmikenp jpich23:40
jeremyb01 23:38:13 < jpich> hmm... I'll have to type faster next time :')23:40
jpich:P23:40
Fiveohmikeheh i was just swithing to MIRC23:40
Fiveohmike:)23:40
jeremybewww, windows???!?!23:41
jeremybwhy on earth?23:41
Fiveohmikelol because I am a windows admin23:41
Fiveohmikehaha23:41
* jeremyb stabs Fiveohmike23:41
Fiveohmikebut my development team was asking about OpenStack so I am building a proof of concept for them23:41
FiveohmikeI went to the OpenStack meetup at Yahoo a couple of days ago23:41
jpichjeremyb: That's a bit harsh23:42
jpich;)23:42
jeremybjpich: idk...23:42
jeremybjpich: certainly there's no excuse for using a windows server23:42
Fiveohmikeso instead of messing with DevStack i figured Id just id go through a single node install23:42
jeremybjpich: for desktop you could at least say "i need to use it so i can support all the other people that also use it"23:43
jpichFiveohmike: That sounds fair enough. I'm more familiar with all the problems that can come when using devstack :)23:43
jpichjeremyb: "The Power That Be made me do it"?23:44
FiveohmikeThe problems I was having with DevStack centered around volume creation.23:44
jeremybjpich: maybe23:44
jpichFiveohmike: DevStack is really recommended only for pure dev environment in general, so you're probably better off with the guide you're using. Sorry it's not working though!23:45
Fiveohmikeya it actually seems to be working, but incredibly slow.  Its throwing those errors when I tail the apache logs.  But it seems while I was talking to you guys it logged in (after about 5 minutes).  Ill have to run it down.  I am going to finish the installation sections for Cinder and Swift and see what it looks like23:46
FiveohmikeQuestion:  OpenStack allows for persistent VM's with persistant storage?23:47
jeremybmaybe there's something like memcache that it's expecting but is not installed/running?23:47
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jeremybso it's slowing down for that23:47
jpichFiveohmike: Actually "failed to write data" -- could it be a space problems? How big is your VM's drive?23:47
jeremybyeah, df -i; df -hi23:47
Fiveohmikeroot@ubuntu:/var/log/apache2# df -i23:48
FiveohmikeFilesystem               Inodes IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on23:48
Fiveohmikeudev                     254190   507  253683    1% /dev23:48
Fiveohmiketmpfs                    256461   416  256045    1% /run23:48
Fiveohmikenone                     256461     9  256452    1% /run/lock23:48
Fiveohmikenone                     256461     1  256460    1% /run/shm23:48
Fiveohmikecgroup                   256461     9  256452    1% /sys/fs/cgroup23:48
Fiveohmikeah sorry, spam23:48
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FiveohmikeI have a second drive as well, but its not partitioed...was going to use that for Swift23:49
jpichShouldn't there me a root partition in there *confused*23:49
jpichs/me/be/23:49
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Fiveohmikehmmm when installing 12.04, I just used the Guided partitioning for LVM23:50
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Fiveohmikejpich: actually even with the errors i think it may be working.  The menu that are for volumes ect respond incredibly slow, but probably as I have not installed the dependencies yet23:52
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jpichFiveohmike: Ok, I guess it's good though suspicious. I promise a regular OpenStack installation is normally much more responsive than 5 minutes :)23:54
jpichFiveohmike: I have to head off, good luck with the rest of your install! If you post your error message again later, maybe someone else will have a useful explanation23:55
Fiveohmikejpich: thanks, much appreciated!23:55
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jeremyberrr, what was i thinking23:56
jeremybi meant df -h; df -hi23:56
jeremybanyway, pastebin not paste in channel ;)23:56
Fiveohmikeya i blame windows ;)23:56
Fiveohmikehttp://paste.openstack.org/show/27129/23:57
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jeremyband the other one?23:58
jeremybyou coule have just done them together. (literally typed "df -h; df -hi")23:58
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