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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1079611 in horizon "Download Juju Environment Config gives wrong credentials" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079611 | 00:26 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1085276 in quantum "The router interface cannot be deleted by using Quantum Folsom Metaplugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085276 | 00:41 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1085277 in openstack-manuals "Qunatum needs to document minimum supported dnsmasq version " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085277 | 00:41 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1068430 in swift "container-sync documentation could be improved" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068430 | 01:06 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1081010 in horizon "can't find node (dup-of: 1070083)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081010 | 01:35 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #1081795 in nova "Nova rootwrap is too permissive with iproute(2) arguments" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081795 | 01:35 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1085325 in nova "confirm_resize tries to update dest resource tracker" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085325 | 03:10 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1081325 in quantum "no check prevents deletion of router interface needed by a floating ip" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1081325 | 03:11 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1080680 in openstack-manuals "uid mismatch prevents live migration and nfs share" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080680 | 03:41 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1085346 in horizon "pep8 check ignores identation errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085346 | 07:45 |
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| hydro-b | hmm, it looks like the parameters in sysctl.conf (at least ipv6 autoconf/accept_ra) are not applied anymore | 08:50 |
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| criu | hi | 12:00 |
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| criu | some advice to deploy virtual nodes on esxi? | 12:02 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1085446 in openstack-manuals "Folsom Install guide has link to Essex admin guide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085446 | 17:01 |
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| scalability-junk | hey is shared storage for vms via ceph for high availibilty over a 1gbit/s network connection a good idea or is this stupid? | 17:18 |
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| scalability-junk | local storage will probably have faster reads and writes and the high availibility is nothing too important, except that failure recovery should be available in a few minutes, ist this usually working without shared storage? | 17:19 |
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| scalability-junk | any ideas or recommendations? | 17:20 |
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| scalability-junk | another question is it possible to define read, write and max bandwidth to default vm sizes: say 512mb ram, 5gb disk, 500kb/s write and 5mbit/s bandwidth or so? | 17:34 |
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| zynzel | scalability-junk: before running ceph in production env | 17:42 |
| zynzel | test it :) | 17:42 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, yeah this part was emphasized a lot in the ceph channel and in every documentation I read about it :D | 17:42 |
| zynzel | you can limit io bandwidth via cgroups, but openstack dont support it 'from a box' | 17:42 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: great, i crash ceph cluster in 1h :) | 17:43 |
| zynzel | but if you path openstack, or maybe write own mechanism to limit i/o. | 17:43 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, so you would say no ceph for now and start with lvm... | 17:43 |
| zynzel | i have script to limit i/o via ssh :) | 17:44 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: this depends on how you use ceph. | 17:44 |
| zynzel | how you ensure cluster capacity | 17:44 |
| zynzel | etc. | 17:44 |
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| scalability-junk | ceph usage would probably be in the region of ridiculous for using ceph :D | 17:45 |
| zynzel | if you assume that you have always free space in cluster, this should work. | 17:45 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, kk | 17:45 |
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| zynzel | but also check ceph rbd with openstack. | 17:45 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, mh i/o via ssh, so you limit the i/o via the compute node with a limit i/o command (sort of)? | 17:45 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: yeah. | 17:46 |
| zynzel | check nova db for physical server where vm lives, log on it, and limit i/o for XXkb/s or XX IO/s | 17:46 |
| saurabh1 | need to know about openstack nova version for installation on single node .. experimental purpose | 17:46 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, too bad that this isn't something you could add as admin to each vms... | 17:46 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: patch will be very simple if you use libvirt with cgroup support | 17:47 |
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| zynzel | saurabh1: folsom is stable release. | 17:47 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, is there any reason why this isn't something default with perhaps options for admins via horizon? | 17:48 |
| scalability-junk | I don't mind the ssh solution, especially cause my server count is really really small :D | 17:48 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: propably no one needs it :) | 17:48 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: and you should consider many situation for example limit based on flavor? | 17:49 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, being able to at least not crash the disk of the compute host is something I really find necessary :D | 17:49 |
| zynzel | or maybe on admin request? | 17:49 |
| zykes- | zynzel: you on folsom ? ;p | 17:49 |
| zynzel | zykes-: essex-e3 :) | 17:50 |
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| zynzel | with own patches+own packages (libvirt, rabbit, etc) | 17:50 |
| zykes- | awwww åp | 17:51 |
| zykes- | get going already ;p | 17:51 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: this is architecture task to 'not crash on high load' | 17:51 |
| zynzel | for eample, overbooking. | 17:51 |
| zynzel | if you start 100 vms on 16 cores, limiting IO dont have sense ;) | 17:52 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, but without any I/O limits, one vm could eat up all disk I/Os... or do I totally not get it? | 17:52 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: if you use fast disk, one vm dont eat everything :) | 17:52 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, my plan was more like 20 vms on 8 cores ;) and 16gb ram... | 17:53 |
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| zynzel | scalability-junk: we use 24 ht cores with 24gb ram | 17:53 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, so you say it's probably not worth the effort to limit bandwidth and I/O? | 17:53 |
| zynzel | and 'sell' 23 cores per node for vms. | 17:53 |
| zynzel | if you want sell more vms, you should consider buying more ram. | 17:54 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, on this node I won't go over the 20 vm limit for now, if I do I will add another compute node first with 64gb ram probably... | 17:54 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: not really, limit i/o have sens, for example if client use 'bad writes' (very small block size) | 17:54 |
| zynzel | but if you need cuting down all vms, maybe try to buy better hardware? | 17:55 |
| zynzel | if you want, i can paste my script in monday. | 17:56 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, ^^ it was not the I have the problem with bad users and one vm eating up all I/O, but I wanted to at least limit each vm to have 1/4 of the total I/O and bandwidth. to prevent worst cases. | 17:57 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, would love that. | 17:57 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: pls, msg me on monday 8.00-17.00 cet, so i do not forget :) | 17:58 |
| scalability-junk | I will thanks. | 17:59 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, do you use local disk only or shared storage for vms? | 18:00 |
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| zynzel | scalability-junk: local ssd driver for vms root and ephemeral | 18:02 |
| zynzel | and 'big' storage node for volumes | 18:02 |
| zynzel | but not any shared storage | 18:02 |
| scalability-junk | storage node with lvm I assume? | 18:03 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: yeah | 18:03 |
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| * scalability-junk thinks about using lvm instead of ceph... | 18:05 | |
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| zynzel | scalability-junk: ceph can be great. | 18:06 |
| zynzel | for example you can create volumes as big as cluster, not only one physical server. | 18:06 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, the big as cluster would be like ony physical one right now :D | 18:06 |
| zynzel | but in my env i need rock solid storage | 18:06 |
| zynzel | and i can crash ceph cluster in simple way. | 18:07 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: yeah, for now - but in future you can add more servr without problem. | 18:07 |
| scalability-junk | mh true, damn always these decisions :P | 18:07 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, I found something interesting, it seems the blueprint proposition on the resource limits is now available. | 18:14 |
| scalability-junk | so you actually can set the limits to flavors... http://wiki.openstack.org/InstanceResourceQuota | 18:15 |
| scalability-junk | yeah that's cool, with peak, burst and average usage patterns. | 18:16 |
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| scalability-junk | at least it hopefully work like this in gerrit ;) | 18:16 |
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| scalability-junk | *grizzly | 18:19 |
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| zynzel | With the support of cgroup, libvirt can limit instances's CPU, disk IO | 18:19 |
| zynzel | consumption. | 18:19 |
| zynzel | yeah, cgroups :) | 18:20 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, yeah it's just a more automatic approach with using flavors instead of per node ssh config :P | 18:21 |
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| zynzel | yes, but i need this feature for 'bad' clients only ;) | 18:22 |
| zynzel | not for all, so my ssh limit is great ;) | 18:22 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, that's where the different limits come into play. just have a high peak value and some usual average one and you are even good to go via flavors :P | 18:23 |
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| zynzel | funny thing, i implement new features before openstack blueprint ;) | 18:25 |
| zynzel | i should commit my work probably :) | 18:25 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, yeah you probably should :P | 18:26 |
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| zynzel | need more hours in the day ;) | 18:27 |
| scalability-junk | zynzel, yeah that would be a great life feature :P can you implement that too? | 18:27 |
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| zynzel | stop sleeping ;D | 18:28 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, tried that, not too good when having social contacts :D | 18:29 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, how do you monitor vm usage and find bad clients? probably not from within the vm I assume. for that I would use munin, but from the hypervisor end is there anything worthwhile? | 18:38 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: we use zabbix for monitor hypervisors | 18:40 |
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| scalability-junk | zynzel, thanks for all the infos I appreciate that. I'll poke you on monday about the snippet. | 18:50 |
| zynzel | scalability-junk: no problem, happy i can help. | 18:52 |
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| ajm | anyone know if there are more up to date .debs of openstack components anywhere? | 21:27 |
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| clarkb | ajm: https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ubuntu-testing/+archive/grizzly-trunk-testing are testing debs for grizzly | 21:33 |
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| clarkb | and canonical has the cloud archive. I guess it depends on how much more up to date you are looking for | 21:34 |
| ajm | clarkb: latest 2012.2 (like any bug fixes and such) | 21:34 |
| ajm | i'm using ubuntu cloud now, but those seem a few months old or so (quantum anyway) and some bug fixes aren't incorporated | 21:35 |
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| clarkb | 2012.2.1 just released on Thursday I think. Not sure if cloud archive intends on adding that but if they do a day and a half may not have been enough time | 21:42 |
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| ajm | clarkb: yeah, i'm making them now myself :) | 21:54 |
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| Fiveohmike | hey guys, anyone around? | 23:26 |
| jeremyb | does it matter? | 23:26 |
| Fiveohmike | well as a new stacker was just popping in to see if someone could take a look at an apache error I am getting with horizon | 23:28 |
| jeremyb | don't ask to ask. that's a general rule not just for this channel | 23:29 |
| jeremyb | ask your question, provide copies of your errors, etc. | 23:29 |
| jeremyb | don't wait for someone to show up | 23:29 |
| Fiveohmike | gotcha | 23:29 |
| jpich | Fiveohmike: Do you have the error copied in a paste somewhere? (e.g. http://paste.openstack.org/) | 23:30 |
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| Fiveohmike | I do now :) http://paste.openstack.org/show/27128/ | 23:31 |
| jeremyb | Fiveohmike: also, invest in an irc client ;) | 23:32 |
| Fiveohmike | Heh ya, im getting there i just followed the link from the openstack.org page | 23:32 |
| jpich | Fiveohmike: hm... How did you install OpenStack? | 23:33 |
| Fiveohmike | I have just been using the documentation on the openstack website. I am testing this through a VirtualBox VM. I followed the prereqs from http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/ap_installingfolsomubuntuprecise.html for a single node installation | 23:34 |
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| Fiveohmike | ive gone through everything up to the Dashboard, and everything has been succseful so far (of course substituting my own date for IP's, and id's. | 23:35 |
| Fiveohmike | data* | 23:36 |
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| jpich | Fiveohmike: Ok... I'm afraid I won't be able to help, sorry :( I have seen this before but had messed up my environment and re-did it from scratch to "fix" it | 23:37 |
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| jpich | hmm... I'll have to type faster next time :') | 23:38 |
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| jpich | Fiveohmike: Hey! I was telling you I'm not sure how to help, sorry. I saw this before but I had messed up my environment by installing some projects from the Folsom release and others from the development branches, and I had to rebuild from scratch. Maybe someone else will be able to help :) | 23:40 |
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| jeremyb | Fiveohmike: 01 23:37:53 < jpich> Fiveohmike: Ok... I'm afraid I won't be able to help, sorry :( I have seen this before but had messed up my environment and re-did it from scratch to "fix" it | 23:40 |
| Fiveohmike | np jpich | 23:40 |
| jeremyb | 01 23:38:13 < jpich> hmm... I'll have to type faster next time :') | 23:40 |
| jpich | :P | 23:40 |
| Fiveohmike | heh i was just swithing to MIRC | 23:40 |
| Fiveohmike | :) | 23:40 |
| jeremyb | ewww, windows???!?! | 23:41 |
| jeremyb | why on earth? | 23:41 |
| Fiveohmike | lol because I am a windows admin | 23:41 |
| Fiveohmike | haha | 23:41 |
| * jeremyb stabs Fiveohmike | 23:41 | |
| Fiveohmike | but my development team was asking about OpenStack so I am building a proof of concept for them | 23:41 |
| Fiveohmike | I went to the OpenStack meetup at Yahoo a couple of days ago | 23:41 |
| jpich | jeremyb: That's a bit harsh | 23:42 |
| jpich | ;) | 23:42 |
| jeremyb | jpich: idk... | 23:42 |
| jeremyb | jpich: certainly there's no excuse for using a windows server | 23:42 |
| Fiveohmike | so instead of messing with DevStack i figured Id just id go through a single node install | 23:42 |
| jeremyb | jpich: for desktop you could at least say "i need to use it so i can support all the other people that also use it" | 23:43 |
| jpich | Fiveohmike: That sounds fair enough. I'm more familiar with all the problems that can come when using devstack :) | 23:43 |
| jpich | jeremyb: "The Power That Be made me do it"? | 23:44 |
| Fiveohmike | The problems I was having with DevStack centered around volume creation. | 23:44 |
| jeremyb | jpich: maybe | 23:44 |
| jpich | Fiveohmike: DevStack is really recommended only for pure dev environment in general, so you're probably better off with the guide you're using. Sorry it's not working though! | 23:45 |
| Fiveohmike | ya it actually seems to be working, but incredibly slow. Its throwing those errors when I tail the apache logs. But it seems while I was talking to you guys it logged in (after about 5 minutes). Ill have to run it down. I am going to finish the installation sections for Cinder and Swift and see what it looks like | 23:46 |
| Fiveohmike | Question: OpenStack allows for persistent VM's with persistant storage? | 23:47 |
| jeremyb | maybe there's something like memcache that it's expecting but is not installed/running? | 23:47 |
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| jeremyb | so it's slowing down for that | 23:47 |
| jpich | Fiveohmike: Actually "failed to write data" -- could it be a space problems? How big is your VM's drive? | 23:47 |
| jeremyb | yeah, df -i; df -hi | 23:47 |
| Fiveohmike | root@ubuntu:/var/log/apache2# df -i | 23:48 |
| Fiveohmike | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on | 23:48 |
| Fiveohmike | udev 254190 507 253683 1% /dev | 23:48 |
| Fiveohmike | tmpfs 256461 416 256045 1% /run | 23:48 |
| Fiveohmike | none 256461 9 256452 1% /run/lock | 23:48 |
| Fiveohmike | none 256461 1 256460 1% /run/shm | 23:48 |
| Fiveohmike | cgroup 256461 9 256452 1% /sys/fs/cgroup | 23:48 |
| Fiveohmike | ah sorry, spam | 23:48 |
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| Fiveohmike | I have a second drive as well, but its not partitioed...was going to use that for Swift | 23:49 |
| jpich | Shouldn't there me a root partition in there *confused* | 23:49 |
| jpich | s/me/be/ | 23:49 |
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| Fiveohmike | hmmm when installing 12.04, I just used the Guided partitioning for LVM | 23:50 |
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| Fiveohmike | jpich: actually even with the errors i think it may be working. The menu that are for volumes ect respond incredibly slow, but probably as I have not installed the dependencies yet | 23:52 |
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| jpich | Fiveohmike: Ok, I guess it's good though suspicious. I promise a regular OpenStack installation is normally much more responsive than 5 minutes :) | 23:54 |
| jpich | Fiveohmike: I have to head off, good luck with the rest of your install! If you post your error message again later, maybe someone else will have a useful explanation | 23:55 |
| Fiveohmike | jpich: thanks, much appreciated! | 23:55 |
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| jeremyb | errr, what was i thinking | 23:56 |
| jeremyb | i meant df -h; df -hi | 23:56 |
| jeremyb | anyway, pastebin not paste in channel ;) | 23:56 |
| Fiveohmike | ya i blame windows ;) | 23:56 |
| Fiveohmike | http://paste.openstack.org/show/27129/ | 23:57 |
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| jeremyb | and the other one? | 23:58 |
| jeremyb | you coule have just done them together. (literally typed "df -h; df -hi") | 23:58 |
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