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| EntropyWorks | so I'm trying out ubuntu grizzly pkgs and getting ERROR [keystone.common.cms] Signing error: Error opening signing key file | 00:31 |
| EntropyWorks | in my keystone.log | 00:31 |
| EntropyWorks | are there and docs for getting this keystone working with SSL. | 00:32 |
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| EntropyWorks | are all the keystone endpoints now https instead of http | 00:33 |
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| r3d64r | so onece you have saio running, what do you need to connect from another computer to the this setup? | 00:58 |
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| EntropyWorks | this is annoying ... http://paste.openstack.org/show/31553/ I can't get keystone to let me doing "glance index" or other commands that require auth. this is grizzly | 01:36 |
| EntropyWorks | from deb http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise-updates/grizzly main | 01:36 |
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| alpharender | Hi. Is there any 'vapp' like feature in openstack where I can create and deploy an environment? Example: web server VM with database VM? I guess this can all be done via cmdb, chef? | 04:36 |
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| MasterGberry_ | Hey i am curious to learn more about openstack, i started doing some research on building my own cloud cluster and i wanted to find out advantages of using openstack vs other things such as onapp. I stumbled upon this article http://onapp.com/press-releases/article/openstack-clouds-cost-up-to-23-times-more-than-onapp-clouds/ Which i am sure has been posted here so many times, and i dont buy it. There has to be another si | 05:29 |
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| Da3m0n_ | Hi, I'm a undegraduate student of Computer Engineering, and would appreciate any help regarding private cloud deployment for my project. | 06:03 |
| MasterGberry_ | What school? :P | 06:06 |
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| Da3m0n_ | Banaras Hindu University, India | 06:07 |
| MasterGberry_ | oh wow, quite far, I go to University of California Santa Barbara | 06:08 |
| MasterGberry_ | looking into doing the same on a public level, but it appears that most of the IRC is asleep at the moment or relaxnig from work | 06:08 |
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| Da3m0n_ | I am also not getting anyone | 06:09 |
| Da3m0n_ | I am trying to deploy it at University level.. | 06:10 |
| Da3m0n_ | I've just started to work on it. Whats your status? | 06:10 |
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| henry8 | bash: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied ........ when is start my installation from devstack....... after adding user .i get this error | 09:02 |
| henry8 | bash: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied | 09:02 |
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| henry8 | bash: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied ........ when is start my installation from devstack....... after adding user .i get this error | 09:05 |
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| armaan | henry8: you dont need to be sudo for running devstack | 09:09 |
| armaan | henry8: devstack will create a user even if you are root | 09:10 |
| henry8 | i have opened devstack site | 09:10 |
| henry8 | so i was doing it | 09:10 |
| henry8 | and its a step over ther | 09:10 |
| henry8 | http://devstack.org/guides/single-machine.html check out | 09:10 |
| armaan | just clone it, enter in to devstack and run it ./stack.sh | 09:11 |
| henry8 | do i have to create user stack and clone it in dat user ? | 09:13 |
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| armaan | nope | 09:16 |
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| armaan | just clone it from $PWD | 09:16 |
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| thomaschaaf | Hey guys I am woundering what reverse proxy you are using to terminate SSL. Nginx? If so what have you configured your client_max_body_size to? | 11:11 |
| thomaschaaf | (for swift) | 11:11 |
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| benner | thomaschaaf: more than 5G? | 12:11 |
| thomaschaaf | no less | 12:11 |
| thomaschaaf | Files should be around 10 MB usiaööy | 12:12 |
| thomaschaaf | usually | 12:12 |
| thomaschaaf | sometime can be up to 100 MB. | 12:12 |
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| gray-- | hi all, when trying to use the glance client, one its spoken to keystone, i'd like it to select to use the 'internalurl' from the endpoint list, rather than the publicurl.... any way of forcing that? | 12:46 |
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| gray-- | (i've tried playing with 'export OS_ENDPOINT_TYPE=internalurl', for example, but to no avail...) | 12:48 |
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| * gray-- updates the endpoints artificially for now | 12:57 | |
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| gray-- | anyone able to guide me on this? http://paste.openstack.org/show/31585/ | 13:27 |
| gray-- | glance api logs say token's invalid and a 401 , but then a curl directly at keystone says the token's valid | 13:28 |
| gray-- | weird? :) | 13:28 |
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| gray-- | anyone? | 13:33 |
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| soody | @Da3m0n_ : you can try trystack.org | 14:24 |
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| soody | that will atleast let you try it out and then you can ask for more help here | 14:25 |
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| gray-- | soody: what're your glance skills like? | 14:30 |
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| soody | I would say zero :( just starting with openstack, got no real experience with it | 14:31 |
| gray-- | no worries :) | 14:31 |
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| notmyname | thomaschaaf: nginx in front of swift is a bad idea. something like pound, stud, haproxy, or something commercial is what I'd recommend | 16:12 |
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| thomaschaaf | notmyname: okay why not nginx? Can you name the pros and cons of pound, stud and haproxy? | 16:13 |
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| notmyname | thomaschaaf: nginx, as a fundamental part of its design (ie you can't turn it off), buffers the body of requests. this is a very bad idea for a storage system since you will be handling a lot of (potentially very large) uploads. eg you don't want 2 users uploading 5GB objects to DOS your cluster because nginx ran out of buffer space | 16:14 |
| thomaschaaf | yea that was the reason why I started thinking about my decision :) | 16:15 |
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| notmyname | thomaschaaf: pound and haproxy also do load balancing. haproxy only very recently got ssl support. stud is good just if you need to terminate ssl (ie no LB). I think all of them use openssl for the actual work, so it comes down to what you prefer, i think | 16:16 |
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| notmyname | thomaschaaf: I've heard stories of good success with haproxy+stud on aes-ni chips (intel). we (swiftstack) use pound if the customer doesn't bring their own LB. when I was at rackspace, they used commercial load balancers in front of swift | 16:18 |
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| zykes- | notmyname: I guess F5 :p | 16:18 |
| notmyname | zykes-: actually, no. but swiftstack has some customers using F5, I think | 16:19 |
| zykes- | ok ;p | 16:19 |
| thomaschaaf | I'll look into all of them then :) Thank you very much for your professional information. | 16:19 |
| thomaschaaf | Is there a wiki about these setups? I don't know how to contribute the information I gathered by running a very small swift server setup | 16:20 |
| notmyname | storage clusters are rarely in isolation (ie it's part of a larger IT infrastructure), so the +/- often have a lot to do with specific details of an org rather than actual technical merits | 16:20 |
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| nspollution | This is George | 17:07 |
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| zykes- | nspollution: yo | 17:08 |
| nspollution | So, what's up?:) | 17:09 |
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| zykes- | nspollution: see the pm ;) | 17:17 |
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| nspollution | Anyone up for handling a bunch of Quantum questions? | 17:27 |
| zykes- | nspollution: pick your poison and fire. | 17:28 |
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| zykes- | i'll answer as best I can | 17:28 |
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| nspollution | Well, #1 it seems to me there are a bunch of different documents out there, and Rackspace is different from all of them. What's the right Quantum API? | 17:29 |
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| zykes- | nspollution: technically openstack.org docs should be the correct one | 17:30 |
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| nspollution | Technically, yes. So, anyone know of a reference implementation actually running in accordance with those docs? :) | 17:31 |
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| nspollution | Rackspace is completely different from the OpenStack.org documents. | 17:32 |
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| zykes- | nspollution: see pm | 17:33 |
| nspollution | And actually, the Rackspace networking model doesn't match Quantum at all. | 17:33 |
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| thomaschaaf | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ I get a 500 error | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | thomaschaaf: we are in the middle of changing wiki servers | 19:14 |
| clarkb | should be back shortly | 19:15 |
| thomaschaaf | just wanted to post it :) | 19:15 |
| thomaschaaf | I want to add a robots.txt to my swift installation. should this be provided by the reverse proxy or is there a way to get swift to return a robots.txt? | 19:16 |
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| thomaschaaf | Acutally I see no robots.txt https://s3.amazonaws.com/robots.txt here either. Isn't this sort of unsafe | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | thomaschaaf: no, you couldn't serve that from swift without some extra middleware (but that would be trivial). however, robots.txt only matters when there are internal links, and if you are serving sites from swift (with staticweb and domain_remap and cname_lookup), you could add it to your site as another object | 19:23 |
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| thomaschaaf | https://www.google.de/search?q=site:s3.amazonaws.com+mp4 oh I will look into writing a little middleware :) | 19:41 |
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| thomaschaaf | where do I put the swift middleware packages if I don't want them to get overwritten? in /usr/share/pyshared/swift/common/middleware ? | 19:57 |
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| MasterGberry_ | Hey is anyone here to answer some fast questions about Openstack? | 20:09 |
| zykes- | MasterGberry_: sure. | 20:10 |
| MasterGberry_ | Thanks :) I am looking into building a cloud server setup with about 3 servers with a quad core each, 8 gb of ram, and a 1 TB HDD each. I am looking to use this for a variety of different applications and it's a bit complicated, so i wanted to get some advice from people that use Openstack already | 20:11 |
| MasterGberry_ | I currently have a few servers in different locations, one being cpanel (i hate) and one not | 20:11 |
| MasterGberry_ | Some of my clients like the easiness of Cpanel, and I'm not really sure if openstack creates anything for this kind of use. I'm also not 100% sure how it breaks things up once the servers are clustered together | 20:11 |
| MasterGberry_ | For instance one of my friends told me with openvz i can install 2 diff operatnig systems in different "containers" on the server setup | 20:12 |
| MasterGberry_ | does openstack do something like this if some of my clients want to use cpanel still? or does openstack provide a better admin panel tool that they can use? | 20:12 |
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| MasterGberry_ | My friend gave me the idea that "openstack takes the 3 servers and creates one server behind openstack" so that i would never know that i was actually working on 3 servers, but them i'm not sure how this can allow me to create multiple OS installations, unless on top of this clustered abstraction there is the smaller "container" virtualization part | 20:15 |
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| MasterGberry_ | zykes-: i think that sums up my first and biggest question before i dive into reading how to play with one of these setups | 20:18 |
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| zykes- | MasterGberry_: openstack has a seperate panel yes | 20:22 |
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| zykes- | but it's not quite cpanel ish | 20:22 |
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| MasterGberry_ | zykes-: does it have basic email/phpmyadmin kind of stuff? I think those are the two largest things that people use | 20:24 |
| MasterGberry_ | zykes-: also how does it work if I wanted to install different OS's on openstack? Is this possible or are all the resources shared between acccoutns on a single "server" | 20:24 |
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| zykes- | MasterGberry_: not following sorry but I gotta gog | 20:25 |
| MasterGberry_ | zykes-: ok, thanks for the info | 20:25 |
| zykes- | :) | 20:25 |
| MasterGberry_ | To anyone else who can help me, i am trying to find out does openstack allow you to install Ubuntu and Centos per say on the same cloud? Does it make mini-cloud instances like EC2 for instance where each instance can control whatever they want in this instance? | 20:26 |
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| eschnou | MasterGberry_, yes, openstack is a cloud, much like EC2, you install whatever you want on an instance. | 20:44 |
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| MasterGberry_ | eschnou: ok so you can create your own instances with openstack | 21:27 |
| MasterGberry_ | My next question then is how does openstack compare to other servers such as onapp? I saw some trash talk comparison on their website with costs of running openstack vs onapp, but i feel that it is way too one-sided | 21:28 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, yes, it is a cloud just like ec2. In fact, it even supports part of the ec2 API. | 21:28 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, never used onapp, so I really can't say much. | 21:29 |
| MasterGberry_ | eschnou: out of curiosity how many servers do you have configured with your openstack project? | 21:29 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, ho, we just have a small cloud for testing, it runs on one physical server and we don't deploy more than 20 VMs on it. | 21:30 |
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| MasterGberry_ | eschnou: well my friend recommended i get 3 servers with quad cores (something like 1230 v2) and that would be more than powerful enuff to create a cloud server for all of my projects for quite smoe time | 21:31 |
| MasterGberry_ | I also wanted to find out how it handles storage/replication of backups and such | 21:31 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, what is important for VMs is memory, that is what will define the max number of machines per server. | 21:32 |
| MasterGberry_ | eschnou: well i was looking into getting 16 gb per machine, do you think this might be overkill? | 21:33 |
| MasterGberry_ | i am still not 100% sure how much power i really need, it's kind of hard to predict for some of the applications | 21:33 |
| MasterGberry_ | also not sure how hard it is to add more servers in the vent that i do need them | 21:33 |
| thomaschaaf | For anyone interessted: https://github.com/komola/swift-robots this creates a robots.txt ;) | 21:34 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, 16G means something like 2~4 for the system, which leaves 12 for the machines -> 12 VMs of 1Gb, or 6 of 2Gb.. etc... | 21:34 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, so it all depends on the requirements of your apps indeed. Adding servers to your cloud is easy. | 21:35 |
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| MasterGberry_ | How is the HDD space managed? e.g if i have 3 servers with 1 TB each. Is it all Raid 1 where there are 3 copies of the data? or what? | 21:36 |
| MasterGberry_ | aka if 1 server goes down in the cloud the other 2 should be able to keep everything online? | 21:36 |
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| lifeless | MasterGberry_: each object(*) is stored some N times where N is the replication factor for your ring. | 21:44 |
| MasterGberry_ | lifeless: ok so it's similar to cassandra if anyone here is familiar with that :) | 21:44 |
| lifeless | (*): very large objects may be broken into bits where each bit is stored like that | 21:45 |
| lifeless | yes, similar to cassandra | 21:45 |
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| MasterGberry_ | can the replication factor be changed as the project grows? | 21:45 |
| MasterGberry_ | can the replication also be broken down based on VM? | 21:45 |
| lifeless | have a read of the swift admin docs :) | 21:45 |
| MasterGberry_ | i'm going to begin soon :) | 21:46 |
| MasterGberry_ | i just wanted to find out some basic info, my last main concern is how does DNS work? | 21:46 |
| MasterGberry_ | does openstack create private ip addresses of some sort like EC2 and you point it to those locations? | 21:46 |
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| lifeless | its pluggable, it can work that way yes | 21:48 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, yes, machines have internal IPs and you can have a pool of public ips managed by openstack | 21:49 |
| MasterGberry_ | ok cool :) I think that answers all of the questions I needed for now :) Does anyone have any good US east coast hosts to recommend that they use this with? I have a few in mind but like to gather a bunch of feedback when I can from people who have experience in the field | 21:50 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, for the hdd I'm really not sure about replication. In our cases the VM storage is on the hypervisor. If the hypervisor dies, the vm will die with it too. | 21:50 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, but there are so many ways to configure these things.. | 21:50 |
| eschnou | MasterGberry_, as for a host, can't help, mine is in europe. | 21:50 |
| MasterGberry_ | eschnou: that's bad :( that means i can screw up too much haha | 21:51 |
| MasterGberry_ | If i can a good EU host that has a ping of like 70-90 to the west coast of the US i would defintiely put them into consideration | 21:51 |
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| thomaschaaf | MasterGberry_: I am using Hetzner | 22:11 |
| thomaschaaf | we have serverals servers there | 22:11 |
| thomaschaaf | its 139 € for 7*3TB drives | 22:12 |
| thomaschaaf | with 1 Gbit connection | 22:12 |
| thomaschaaf | try and ping cdn.prismabox.de ;) | 22:12 |
| MasterGberry_ | 172 ms, it's consistent though :P | 22:13 |
| MasterGberry_ | i'm all the way in LA on the west coast of US | 22:13 |
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| thomaschaaf | these servers are located in southern germany | 22:14 |
| MasterGberry_ | problem is i have US/CA clients and EU clients also that use some of my servers | 22:15 |
| MasterGberry_ | so somewhere on the east coast of the US seems to be the ideal middle point | 22:16 |
| thomaschaaf | MasterGberry_: what kind of files do you want to store? | 22:16 |
| clopez | MasterGberry_. OVH (mainly france located) has also good prices. You can test latency/bandwidth at http://proof.ovh.net | 22:16 |
| MasterGberry_ | yeah, they just built a US datacenter recently. I heard a couple of issues that one of my friends had from them though (he is in the UK) | 22:17 |
| MasterGberry_ | Friend swearing by peer1 at the moment, not really sure 100% where i am going to end up yet | 22:17 |
| MasterGberry_ | and as far as files, its a variety of websites taht i host, one is an image hostnig service, another is going to be a game replay database, a third an artist collective, and a bunch of other smaller ones | 22:17 |
| Guest | Hi all, does anybody know what should I use as Organization Name and address to fill visa application for openstack summit? | 22:18 |
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| MasterGberry_ | clopez: what was the proof.ovh.net supposed to prove xD i had such a high ping lol, the German server had half of it :P | 22:19 |
| clopez | how much latency you got? | 22:20 |
| thomaschaaf | I had 73 ping from germany to the one in france.. | 22:20 |
| MasterGberry_ | 343ms | 22:20 |
| clopez | i got 40ms from spain | 22:20 |
| clopez | and how much you get to their datacenter in canada? ping proof.ovh.ca | 22:21 |
| annegentle | Guest: is the mailing list you need for the Foundation? I can find it I think. Let me know. | 22:22 |
| MasterGberry_ | clopez: 90 ms to canada | 22:23 |
| thomaschaaf | MasterGberry_: are you on wifi? that adds about 10 ms | 22:23 |
| thomaschaaf | or even 20 sometimes | 22:23 |
| MasterGberry_ | ah ur right i actually am at the moment haha | 22:23 |
| clopez | where are you located? | 22:23 |
| MasterGberry_ | used to working on my desktop | 22:23 |
| thomaschaaf | LA | 22:23 |
| MasterGberry_ | something about google just too powerful | 22:24 |
| MasterGberry_ | unless they force all pings to co.uk to go to .com near me | 22:24 |
| MasterGberry_ | *shrug* | 22:24 |
| MasterGberry_ | one of the things that was leading me into peer1 (server beach) was them owning their network (and a good one at that) | 22:24 |
| clopez | i get 124ms from spain to canada (proof.ovh.ca) | 22:25 |
| clopez | to germany (cdn.prismabox.de) i get 58ms | 22:25 |
| MasterGberry_ | This server from hivevelocity just seems to be to good to be true :/ https://hivelocity.net/cart/configure/1bad1bc872 | 22:25 |
| MasterGberry_ | ping my ip :P 24.171.145.122 | 22:25 |
| MasterGberry_ | or my desktop IP which is on 100 mbit up/down 169.231.10.240 | 22:26 |
| clopez | 220ms :\ | 22:26 |
| MasterGberry_ | second should be faster :P | 22:26 |
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| annegentle | Guest: I mean I have the mailing address for the Foundation (not list). | 22:27 |
| thomaschaaf | 220ms | 22:29 |
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| thomaschaaf | best possible is 43 ms (wolframalpha :) | 22:30 |
| MasterGberry_ | 220ms to 169.231.10.240 O_o | 22:30 |
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| MasterGberry_ | What would happen if I ordered 2 servers from one provider, then in 2 months i didn't want to stay with them. Is it possible to replicate the data to another couple of servers on a different provider without having any downtime by adding them to the cloud and then deleting the old ones? | 22:54 |
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| grncdr | does anybody know of a project for managing/scheduling compute instances at times in the future? | 23:34 |
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| MasterGberry_ | What would happen if I ordered 2 servers from one provider, then in 2 months i didn't want to stay with them. Is it possible to replicate the data to another couple of servers on a different provider without having any downtime by adding them to the cloud and then deleting the old ones? | 23:36 |
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