| H20m | Anyone have any guides for a Grizzly compute node | 00:03 |
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| kallisti5 | H20m: I can't even seem to get a folsom node going :) | 00:16 |
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| H20m | Any reason why nova-compute wouldn't start on a nova-node. No debug/errors in error log. | 00:24 |
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| H20m | Does Grizzly nova compute not need nova-compute.conf anymore? | 00:34 |
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| newbism | hi. how to change quantum floating ip range after running quantum-networking.sh. .. demo-net exists, need to change range | 03:29 |
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| newbism | tried to modify ip variables and run script again, but ..i get TUNNEL ID 1 is in use..along with usage errors | 03:30 |
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| Skaag | Could it make sense to run openstack on one powerful machine that I own? | 03:33 |
| newbism | Skaag: probably... id look at smartos if you want to do that | 03:34 |
| Skaag | Because in my mind I see OpenStack as a great when you have "real" storage with several physical machines doing the processing, with proper networking fabric hooking it all up | 03:34 |
| newbism | yeah | 03:34 |
| Skaag | never heard of smartos, going to read about it now | 03:34 |
| newbism | there are devstack that can setup all in one but afaik its not really production stuff | 03:35 |
| Skaag | is it openstack based? | 03:35 |
| Skaag | I mean smartos | 03:35 |
| newbism | Skaag: no its open solaris, zfs, stuff | 03:36 |
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| newbism | it is kvm, and i assume there are GUIs that can be put on it | 03:36 |
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| Skaag | looks cool! | 03:39 |
| Skaag | and KVM means I can run any OS | 03:39 |
| newbism | yep | 03:39 |
| newbism | openstack uses kvm, just requires brain surgery for this to work | 03:40 |
| Skaag | ooh, their logo is suspiciously similar to the good old Sun logo from the old days :) | 03:40 |
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| newbism | just realized a small limitation which is kinda a hook on joyents part is smartos doesnt have the 'best' installer imo... | 03:41 |
| newbism | where it does not import all disks into the zfs pool | 03:41 |
| newbism | you have to manually define them... I found this out trying to add a 48 disk jbod unit | 03:42 |
| newbism | gave up | 03:42 |
| newbism | their enterprise JDC does this iirc | 03:42 |
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| Skaag | I see | 03:52 |
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| Skaag | there's also proxmox for kvm | 03:53 |
| Skaag | with a nice UI and all that jazz | 03:53 |
| newbism | archipel is pretty sick | 03:55 |
| newbism | each instance (vm) registers itself into xmpp/jabber and you can talk to the nodes | 03:56 |
| newbism | really nice UI using capuccino | 03:56 |
| newbism | its fairly lite tbh | 03:56 |
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| newbism | other than needing a jabber server ... | 03:57 |
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| mynameisdeleted | hi | 06:27 |
| mynameisdeleted | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix | 06:27 |
| mynameisdeleted | says Set Admin Pass is not supported by kvm? | 06:27 |
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| prometheanfire | no hypervisor to guest comms method | 06:29 |
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| prometheanfire | I think the idea is to create an iso that is attached and that's where configs come from | 06:30 |
| prometheanfire | dunno though | 06:30 |
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| mynameisdeleted | openstack can issue a command to an instance on boot run by root? | 06:32 |
| mynameisdeleted | or just to be run after machien creation? | 06:32 |
| mynameisdeleted | I was thinking of wring up commands to change root password | 06:32 |
| prometheanfire | not a command | 06:32 |
| prometheanfire | I'm not sure how it does it, but my guess would be mount and edit the shadow file | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | ok.. was thinking of writing one to modify /etc/shadow | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | on any linux flavor | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | right now I can tissue nova root-password command becuase it says not supported by kvm | 06:33 |
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| mynameisdeleted | if I used xen I could do it | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | I dont want to switch | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | because kvm has live migration and xen does not | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | well.. xen does | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | but I like kvm better for me | 06:33 |
| mynameisdeleted | serial console | 06:34 |
| mynameisdeleted | that is somethign xen doesnt have | 06:34 |
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| mynameisdeleted | if I used virtio drivers for filesystem I could write shadow from the host compute node | 06:37 |
| mynameisdeleted | to update any password on guest | 06:37 |
| mynameisdeleted | and offer web-based ftp view of guest filesystem | 06:37 |
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| mikal | mynameisdeleted: setting an initial password is supported for kvm | 06:47 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: what isn't supported is resetting that password later | 06:47 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: I'd read up on cloud-init if I was you | 06:47 |
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| prometheanfire | mikal: is cloud-init still what people are going for? | 06:48 |
| mikal | prometheanfire: I don't follow. Its certainly commonly used. | 06:49 |
| mikal | prometheanfire: I'm not aware of something replacing it | 06:49 |
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| prometheanfire | for more complex setups (static IPs, and stuff), cloud-init didn't work too well when I last looked | 06:49 |
| mikal | prometheanfire: well, cloud-init can run scripts you provide IIRC, so you can hook other stuff in | 06:50 |
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| mynameisdeleted | I'd like openstack instances to have a random root password on launch which is displayed once to the user on creation and it tells the user to change asap | 06:52 |
| prometheanfire | heh, like rackspace | 06:53 |
| mynameisdeleted | yeah | 06:53 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: how are you launching these instances? | 06:53 |
| mynameisdeleted | right now horizon | 06:53 |
| prometheanfire | horizon :( | 06:53 |
| mynameisdeleted | can do with nova command line too | 06:53 |
| mynameisdeleted | is it possible to configure openstack to add an administrator owned key to all instances for ssh accepted only from an admin subnet? | 06:54 |
| mikal | So, the root password can be set using metadata fields on the api call to start the instance | 06:55 |
| mynameisdeleted | so the cloud controller can run an ssh command to change password or browse files through website? | 06:55 |
| mikal | I don't know if horizon exposes that at all | 06:55 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: no | 06:55 |
| mynameisdeleted | nova cmdline prob does | 06:55 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: the password is set by either injecting it into the disk image before boot; or by cloud-init which uses either config drive or the metadata server to look it up | 06:56 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: depending on your configuration | 06:56 |
| mynameisdeleted | I use metadata server | 06:56 |
| mynameisdeleted | folsom | 06:56 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: cool. So if you have cloud-init in your image, then you just need to set the password when you send the API request to launch the instance. | 06:57 |
| mynameisdeleted | so I can change a password after create but wont apply till reboot maybe | 06:57 |
| mynameisdeleted | if I change the page | 06:57 |
| mynameisdeleted | or I can make a link that says reboot and change password | 06:57 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: I'm unsure. I don't know if cloud-init reruns on reboot | 06:57 |
| mynameisdeleted | and connect that to a set of api-calls which does that | 06:57 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: oh, checkout the detail that is provided when you use the "nova boot" command | 06:58 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: it includes the root password there | 06:58 |
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| mynameisdeleted | cool beans | 06:58 |
| saju_m | While running ./bin/nova-manage db sync getting error | 06:58 |
| saju_m | Command failed, please check log for more info | 06:58 |
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| saju_m | 2013-03-26 12:27:55 6548 CRITICAL nova [-] There is no script for 134 version | 06:59 |
| saju_m | Do you have any idea about , where this log file exist ?? | 06:59 |
| mikal | saju_m: what release are you running? | 06:59 |
| mynameisdeleted | I see user-data | 06:59 |
| mikal | saju_m: the log is probably in /var/log/nova, but its configurable | 06:59 |
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| saju_m | i am trying to setup from nova.git repo | 07:00 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: from a "nova boot" command? I see an "adminPass" field as well. | 07:00 |
| mikal | saju_m: what branch did you fetch? | 07:00 |
| mynameisdeleted | are you on essex or folsom? | 07:00 |
| saju_m | i could not find any folder named "nova" or "openstack" under /var/log/ | 07:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | http://pastie.org/7120903 | 07:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | dont see it | 07:01 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: I'm running havana | 07:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | ahh | 07:01 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: well, trunk | 07:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | thats why | 07:01 |
| saju_m | I am following http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/development.environment.html | 07:01 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: what release are you using | 07:01 |
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| mynameisdeleted | folsom | 07:02 |
| saju_m | and using git clone https://github.com/openstack/nova.git | 07:02 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: ok, it might not be implemented there. grizzly should have it when it comes out though. | 07:02 |
| mynameisdeleted | good deal | 07:02 |
| mynameisdeleted | so wahts a good workaround? | 07:02 |
| mynameisdeleted | if it prints a random password on create or boot I'm happy | 07:02 |
| mynameisdeleted | I dont need to set it | 07:02 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: hang ten, this is a bit fiddly for me. I need to fetch the older code and read it | 07:02 |
| saju_m | i am using * remotes/origin/stable/folsom | 07:03 |
| mikal | saju_m: try cleaning up any .pyc files you have in that directory? I've had problems with that. | 07:03 |
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| mynameisdeleted | also virtio filesystem pasthrough driver.. is that supported? | 07:04 |
| mynameisdeleted | I know that kills disk-size limits | 07:04 |
| mynameisdeleted | it does enable compute-nodes to view guest filesystems | 07:04 |
| mynameisdeleted | it probably saves space and improves performance | 07:04 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: I don't know about virtio to be honest. You can use LVM for instance disks if that helps | 07:06 |
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| mynameisdeleted | http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio | 07:07 |
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| mynameisdeleted | passthrough is not really a disk.. its a shared directory between host and guest | 07:07 |
| mynameisdeleted | qemu-kvm with passthrough virtio filesystme and virtio networking can become more and more like lxc | 07:08 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: yeah, its not something I've touched, so the short answer is I don't know | 07:08 |
| mynameisdeleted | so.. you develop openstack? | 07:09 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: yeah, I work mostly on libvirt stuff | 07:10 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: but I haven't touched any virtio stuff | 07:10 |
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| mynameisdeleted | is lxc-support gettign better ... | 07:10 |
| mynameisdeleted | I checked latest ubuntu linux container and its MUCH more isolated than on debin squeeze | 07:10 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: its getting better, but I'm not sure its completely baked yet. I've never used it. | 07:10 |
| mynameisdeleted | couldnt do stuff like access pci devices or mknod or ifconfig host interfaces or even see them | 07:11 |
| mynameisdeleted | still has a hole of if I'm root in a container and I chmod +s a file.. a regular user on host can gain root that way | 07:11 |
| mynameisdeleted | there is a workaroudn I have for that potentially that I have to work out | 07:11 |
| mikal | Cool | 07:12 |
| mynameisdeleted | but one can actually lock down a container pretty good with some effort.. better than user-accoutn vs root account seperation | 07:12 |
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| mynameisdeleted | also .. you have to use cgroup limits to enforce amount of cpu available to lxc | 07:13 |
| mynameisdeleted | you can limit disk-io speed | 07:13 |
| mynameisdeleted | cpu-usage | 07:13 |
| mynameisdeleted | network io | 07:13 |
| mynameisdeleted | can even get this to work with disk filesystem quotas | 07:14 |
| mynameisdeleted | to have all the limits offered by using kvm or xen | 07:14 |
| mynameisdeleted | but without overhead of running lots of kernels on one host | 07:14 |
| mynameisdeleted | are you familiar with generating api-keys for openstack? | 07:15 |
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| mikal | mynameisdeleted: no, sorry | 07:15 |
| mikal | mynameisdeleted: I'm also about to have to wander off for dinner... | 07:16 |
| mynameisdeleted | good talkign to you | 07:16 |
| mikal | :) | 07:16 |
| mikal | Sorry I have to run, its just past end of day for me and I have a raging headache | 07:16 |
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| erkules | ahoi, how can I find out on which compute-node (commandline) an instance is running? Is there a way to tell instances (again commandline) to run on a specific computenode? | 07:49 |
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| sgran | nova show has information about where an instance is running, if you are an admin user | 08:21 |
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| sgran | also if you're an admin user, when you boot a VM, you can say --availability_zone $az:$compute_host to make it run on a given host | 08:22 |
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| anuj | Hi. We're trying to setup a devstack environment with one controller and multiple compute nodes using the instructions given in this post - http://xmodulo.com/2012/10/how-to-install-openstack-on-multiple-nodes.html | 08:40 |
| anuj | we've configured the boxes as specified in the post but the compute node is still unable to register itself with the controller | 08:40 |
| anuj | can anyone here help us with that bit? | 08:41 |
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| gynter | Hello, OpenStack is not based on Eucalyptus, right? | 08:56 |
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| intrepid- | gynter: right. | 09:11 |
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| gynter | K, thanks | 09:17 |
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| magwas | if quantum is configured to use gre tunnels, then I should have seen them on compute and network node. Is it true? | 11:44 |
| saybeano | hello and sorry to barge in, quick Q: will openstack work with ESXi (4.1) running under a free license? | 11:46 |
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| magwas | saybeano: I have found this for you https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HypervisorSupportMatrix | 11:47 |
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| antony_ | Maybe any1 could help? using 'glance add name="ubuntu-12.04-server-amd64" is_public=true disk_format=qcow2 container-format=ovf < ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64' command I'm keep getting erors such as Details: 400 Bad Request Data supplied was not valid. Details: Invalid container format 'None' for image. | 11:50 |
| magwas | what does 'file ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64' say? | 11:51 |
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| magwas | antony_: for my image I get this from file: ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img: QEMU QCOW Image (v2), 2147483648 bytes | 11:52 |
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| magwas | antony_: it seems that the image format is not recognized. Maybe there was some problem with download or you have mistyped the file name. | 11:53 |
| antony_ | magwas: 'glance add name="ubuntu-12.04-server-amd64" is_public=true disk_format=qcow2 container-format=bare < ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img' does the same. :( | 11:54 |
| antony_ | and documentation states that I'm supposed to use 'glance image-create' command | 11:55 |
| antony_ | but it's not supported nymore? | 11:55 |
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| magwas | antony_: what does the 'file' command say for the image? | 11:57 |
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| antony_ | magwas: file ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img: QEMU QCOW Image (v2), 2147483648 bytes | 11:59 |
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| magwas | antony_ for me on folsom the online help says 'add' is deprecated, and 'image-create' is the right way to go. | 12:00 |
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| magwas | antony_: the image format seems to be okay. I also see a 400 when try your command line. | 12:03 |
| antony_ | magwas: I'm on precise | 12:03 |
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| antony_ | magwas: glance_client version is: 2012.1.3+stable~20120821-120fcf-0ubuntu1.5 | 12:04 |
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| magwas | antony_ I suspect missing double dashes. testing. | 12:04 |
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| saybeano | magwas: I don't see how that link answers my licensing question. I don't want to be caught out by a caveat. | 12:05 |
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| magwas | saybeano: I did not realize your question is about licensing. Openstack is free software, you use it as you like. I don't know about the ESXi part. | 12:06 |
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| magwas | antony_: the correct command line: glance image-create --name="Ubuntu-12.04-server-amd64-test" --is-public=true --disk-format=qcow2 --container-format=bare < ubuntu-12.04-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img | 12:07 |
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| magwas | antony_: double dashes and s/_/-/g | 12:07 |
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| antony_ | magwas: my glance_client is not support this command | 12:09 |
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| saybeano | magwas: okay, cheers. | 12:09 |
| antony_ | should I upgrade from precise to folsom? | 12:10 |
| saybeano | Anyone have any ESXi & openstack experience? | 12:10 |
| magwas | antony_ I use folsom from the cloud repository. I was said do not use vanilla precise packages. | 12:10 |
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| magwas | antony_: precise is the ubuntu version, folsom is the openstack version. se point 2 here on how you use folsom on precise: http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/basic-install/content/basic-install_controller.html | 12:11 |
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| antony_ | magwas: Ahh, I see. Thank you. I'm going to read it carefully. | 12:12 |
| * magwas is waiting for a quantum physician with a tunnelling problem | 12:12 | |
| magwas | antony_: np | 12:12 |
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| magwas | saybeano: just out of curiosity, why ESXi is the hypervisor? | 12:14 |
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| saybeano | magwas: want to bring existing hypervisors (and their vms) under one cloud controller. | 12:18 |
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| magwas | saybean: It can be seen as a personal preference, but I like to use open source software for everything. You can convert the images I guess: http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/convert-vmware-vmdk-to-kvm-qcow2-or-virtualbox-vdi/ | 12:23 |
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| magwas | anyone here using folsom and quantum? | 12:37 |
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| vICdING | hi all, can endpoint be changed (not remove and re-add), after creation? | 12:52 |
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| norris900 | vlCdING : the answer is a question, can you edit mysql entries | 12:54 |
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| saybeano | magwas: I know what you mean- but many stakeholders, many preferences- not much courage for VM downtime or new hypervisors! | 13:00 |
| magwas | saybeano: It is your choice, ofc. | 13:01 |
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| norris900 | can anyone give me a clue as to what the oslo project is all about? | 13:49 |
| bknudson | norris900: it's common code shared among other keystone components | 13:50 |
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| bknudson | reading config files and stuff | 13:50 |
| norris900 | so something along the lines of rootwrapper? | 13:50 |
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| bknudson | https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/master/openstack/common | 13:52 |
| bknudson | rootwrap is in there. | 13:52 |
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| norris900 | was just curious as i havent noticed before :) thanks | 13:53 |
| norris900 | need to get on dev stack and start testing grizzly | 13:53 |
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| bknudson | I think the code was just copied around amongst the components so was refactored to its own project. | 13:53 |
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| norris900 | makes a lot of sense now, thanks | 13:56 |
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| magwas | anyone running quantum with gre tunnels? | 14:01 |
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| sadsfae | howdy folks | 14:26 |
| norris900 | hello | 14:26 |
| kbringard | howdy | 14:26 |
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| b1tbkt | how does one divine the relationship between an instance and the base image against which the instance's 'disk' cow file is linked? | 14:44 |
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| gmi | b1tbkt:what do you mean? | 14:45 |
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| b1tbkt | in /var/lib/nova/instances, you have directories named for each instance - in those dirs is a file called 'disk' which appears to be the cow file. how do I know which base image in _base directory that is linked to? | 14:47 |
| b1tbkt | basically, I want to know which image in _base a given vm is using | 14:47 |
| gmi | b1tbkt: run "qemu-img info /var/lib/nova/instances/instance_xxx/disk" | 14:48 |
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| b1tbkt | perfect. backing file was the term I was groping for :) tks! | 14:49 |
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| DaveJ__ | Has anyone had issues with injecting files into instances at boot time. | 15:14 |
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| DaveJ__ | i.e. $nova boot --image ubuntu-cloudimage --flavor 1 --file /root/.ssh/authorized_keys=special_authorized_keysfile | 15:14 |
| DaveJ__ | My instances aren't booting - just getting an error. | 15:14 |
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| gmi | DaveJ__:anything in the nova-compute.log ? | 15:14 |
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| DaveJ__ | gmi: I didn't see anything - The system is setup with devstack and I redirected everything to syslog. When I run nova show <machine name> | 15:17 |
| DaveJ__ | gmi: I see this " fault | {u'message': u'ConsoleTypeInvalid', u'code': 400, u'details': u'Invalid console type spice-html5', u'created': u'2013-03-26T15:17:09Z'} " | 15:17 |
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| DaveJ__ | gmi: last night I was getting a different fault. "'NoValidHost', u'code': 500, u'details': u'No valid host was found" | 15:18 |
| gmi | DaveJ__:that error is related to the vnc protocol used (spice) which probably needs some packages installed to work | 15:18 |
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| mattinator | DaveJ__, I see the following in the stack.sh script: SPICE_DIR=$DEST/spice-html5 | 15:21 |
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| mattinator | Perhaps that is a good starting point? | 15:21 |
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| DaveJ__ | mattinator: cheers - I'll take a look, but not sure it's my only issue. I just ran 'nova --debug boot --flavor "m1.small" --image "cirros-0.3.1-x86_64-uec" --key-name "openstack" --file /root/test=/home/openstack/user_data.txt TestMachine2' | 15:22 |
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| DaveJ__ | mattinator: this time nova show TestMachine2 shows 'message': u'NoValidHost', u'code': 500, u'details': u'No valid host was found.' | 15:22 |
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| DaveJ__ | mattinator: If I omit the --file argument the machine boots fine | 15:23 |
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| mattinator | hmm | 15:23 |
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| mattinator | DaveJ__, upon which OS are you running devstack? | 15:27 |
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| DaveJ__ | mattinator: It's Ubuntu 12.04. I've updated apt sources to use Folsom packages | 15:27 |
| mattinator | ok | 15:28 |
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| gmi | DaveJ__:can you pastebin and show us the full debug output? | 15:29 |
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| DaveJ__ | gmi: Yep - give me a few minutes | 15:31 |
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| DaveJ__ | gmi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5649648/ | 15:34 |
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| nickleNO | I am having an issue with Grizzly and swift. Can anyone point me in the right direction. I am getting ImportError: No module named swift_auth when trying to start the service. | 15:38 |
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| gmi | DaveJ__: the pastebin shows the instance in "building" status, did it fail? | 15:40 |
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| DaveJ__ | gmi: Yeah http://paste.ubuntu.com/5649667/ | 15:41 |
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| gmi | DaveJ__: I think the error "No valid host was found" is misleading, and I would check the nova-scheduler log to see maybe the root cause is logged there. I have a Folsom install where I just tested file injection in a cirros based instance and it works fine, but devstack is devstack. Check if the nbd module is loaded as it's needed for file injection | 15:55 |
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| DaveJ__ | gmi: thanks - I'll take a look. I figured it might have been something specific I had/hadn't configured with devstack | 15:56 |
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| gmi | DaveJ__: there is a nova.conf option related to file injection called libvirt_inject_partition ("If you intend to use guest images that don't have a single partition, then allow libguestfs to inspect the image so that files can be injected, by setting in "/etc/nova/nova.conf": libvirt_inject_partition -1 ") | 15:59 |
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| gmi | DaveJ__: but the cirros image has a single partition and works fine for me, so this is not the cause here | 16:00 |
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| jlondon | Hmm, so... I'm sure this has probably been asked/solved a thousand times over, but I'm having issues with flat-dhcp networking and even being able to ping the individual VM's from the compute nodes. I have multi_host setup, etc. and have just about reached the 'end' of what I can think to look at. Anyone around to maybe at least bounce some ideas off of? | 16:09 |
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| gmi | jlondon: tell us more, what version of openstack, what OS, what did you check (iptables, tcpdump, etc) | 16:14 |
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| jlondon | jlondon: folsom, Ubuntu 12.04 running ubuntu-cloud version of openstack. Using nova-networking not quantum. Network layout is floating range on eth0 which is 'external' interface and then running bridge on eth1 which is an internal network space (not internet connected). | 16:16 |
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| jlondon | Also before you ask, yes ICMP and ssh at least are allowed through openstack firewall. | 16:17 |
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| gmi | jlondon: ok, are you sure the instances get their ip addresses? did you use vnc to login on the console and check that it has ip? | 16:17 |
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| gmi | jlondon: you could also see the boot log and verify they get ip addresses | 16:17 |
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| jlondon | Heh, well, that's something I did not think about (if the instance is getting IP). | 16:18 |
| jlondon | *facepalm* | 16:18 |
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| DaveJ__ | gmi: looks like I dont have the nbd module loaded | 16:19 |
| jlondon | I was trying to login actually, but stopped looking that direction due to the ubuntu 'test' images setting a random password on boot. Let me figure out a way to get in and check. | 16:19 |
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| jlondon | Supposedly the cloud images for ubuntu display their password on syslog/boot but I'm not seeing it... grr | 16:20 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Well, I believe you're on the right track... ci-info: eth0 : 1 . . fa:16:3e:33:52:bb | 16:24 |
| jlondon | gmi: Not sure why it's not pulling an IP. | 16:24 |
| gmi | jlondon:there is no default password for ubuntu based instances, they get their ssh keys from the meta-data server after first receiving an ip address; if that part is broken for you, boot a cirros image with credentials user: cirros and password cubswin:) and login in the vnc console and troubleshoot further | 16:25 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Yeah, I'll try the cirros image. Was actually looking at that. | 16:26 |
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| jlondon | gmi: While I'm waiting for it to download, maybe you have some insight on this. Will the standard nova-networking be entirely replaced with quantum at some near future point do you know? I am a bit worried about having something like the transition was from nova-storage to cinder... but it would be worse for networking. | 16:28 |
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| gmi | jlondon: it will be worse for networking, but I don't know when nova-network will be totally removed; by the way quentum looks today, nova-network might still be around for another two releases (1 year), but by then you will probably have to rebuild your cloud anyway | 16:30 |
| jlondon | Well that's super, super frustrating... but at least 'I' didn't screw anything up. Networking works perfectly for the cirros image :\ | 16:30 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Yeah, quantum does not seem 'release' ready to me. From what I've read (although perhaps it is no longer an issue?), quantum can't easily be made HA? That's kind of a requirement for this project. | 16:31 |
| gmi | jlondon: you can check the syslog on the compute node where the ubuntu instance is running to see if there are dhcp leases for it, also check the dnsmasq lease file | 16:32 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Good plan. Let me take a look now. Odd that the cirros instance got an IP fine though. | 16:32 |
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| jlondon | Okay, and that's good as well.. I can ping/ssh to the VM from other compute hosts. | 16:34 |
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| gmi | jlondon: Quantum HA seems to be fixed in Quantum, if the code mentioned here was actually merged (http://www.mirantis.com/blog/a-new-agent-management-approach-in-quantum-for-openstack-grizzly/#comment-1270) but I'm not sure | 16:35 |
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| jlondon | Ah, but it sounds like that's grizzly specific. | 16:36 |
| gmi | jlondon:sorry, I meant to say "Quantum HA seems to be fixed in Grizzly" | 16:37 |
| jlondon | But that's good it's fixed. | 16:37 |
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| gmi | jlondon: the way Quantum was released in Folsom, it breaks https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BasicDesignTenets | 16:38 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Yeah, it breaks it very much so... which is why I'm worried about there being a migration path to Quantum in the event it replaces nova-network. | 16:39 |
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| jlondon | Also, not to mention that openvswitch support in Ubuntu 12.04 is for lack of a better word, awful. | 16:39 |
| jlondon | It's fixed in 12.10 but that's not a LTS release. | 16:40 |
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| jlondon | I use openvswitch on my opennebula cluster and I'm scared to reboot nodes because I have no idea if openvswitch will come back up properly :P | 16:40 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: switching to openstack ? | 16:41 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Either that or Eucalyptus. Testing both right now. | 16:41 |
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| jlondon | zykes-: So far I like Openstack, but am worried about the Quantum stuff I was just discussing with gmi | 16:42 |
| zykes- | gmi: why are you afraid of quantum ? : ) | 16:43 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: one thing to note Quantum Folsom vs Quantum Grizzly are huge differents | 16:44 |
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| jlondon | zykes-: Fair enough, but, grizzly is not released yet and I need to build for the future, not toward the next release :\ | 16:45 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: it'll be release in less then a month dude :) | 16:46 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: also your "HA" issues should be ok for Grizzly | 16:46 |
| zykes- | it has ALOT of improvements for this | 16:46 |
| jlondon | Indeed. The problem is that the puppet modules are barely working with Folsom as it is. | 16:46 |
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| jlondon | zykes-: Glad to hear it. | 16:46 |
| zykes- | jlondon: then do Qauntum manually for now :) | 16:46 |
| zykes- | big deployment or ? | 16:46 |
| zykes- | http://www.mirantis.com/blog/a-new-agent-management-approach-in-quantum-for-openstack-grizzly/ < this is cool | 16:47 |
| jlondon | zykes-: It'll be ~15 nodes to start with a second location at some near future point. | 16:47 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Yeah, gmi linked to that. | 16:47 |
| zykes- | jlondon: then if I where you I would seriously concider doing Grizzly | 16:47 |
| zykes- | even if you had to to some parts manually for a start | 16:47 |
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| jlondon | zykes-: I'd have to do it all manually more than likely. | 16:48 |
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| jlondon | Honestly, this is the one thing that worries me about Openstack. It's basically still in active 'development' without the features locked down. I thought Folsom was supposed to be the release where there was finally something of a feature-freeze. | 16:50 |
| zykes- | jlondon: define feature freeze | 16:50 |
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| zykes- | they "lock" features on each release ~ 2 months before release | 16:50 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: other opensource projects are pretty much the same | 16:51 |
| zykes- | ref Ubuntu on a 6 month release cycle, Fedora etc | 16:51 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Meaning for instance if I installed one release of Openstack, being a clear path to upgrade that deployment without breaking everything or having to start over for the next release. | 16:51 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: F > G > H | 16:51 |
| zykes- | is getting very much better at that | 16:51 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Sure, no question as far as release cycles... but will you be able to actually transition to those releases without rebuilding your entire cluster? | 16:52 |
| zykes- | with stuff like RPC versioning and others | 16:52 |
| jlondon | Such as the transition from nova-network to Quantum. Will it actually be possible to transition without bringing everything down? | 16:52 |
| zykes- | jlondon: I don't do this in production, but maybe EmilienM can answer you more on that! he works with openstack in production :) | 16:52 |
| zykes- | jlondon: if you do Grizzly | 16:52 |
| zykes- | you shouldn't use nova-network | 16:52 |
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| jlondon | I see | 16:55 |
| zykes- | I think at least | 16:56 |
| zykes- | I dunno if they deprecated it totally | 16:56 |
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| jlondon | Well, that's kind of what I'm getting at. I'm worried about building things out and having to have more equipment ready to 'upgrade' to Grizzly or the next release after that so as to not break everything. | 16:57 |
| jlondon | And to be clear, these would be production machines. | 16:57 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: again I think EmilienM and eNovance does this with breeze | 16:58 |
| zykes- | you should ask him :) | 16:58 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Fair nuff | 16:58 |
| jlondon | EmilienM: Hello. It was suggested I ask you about working with Openstack in production! | 16:59 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Okay, so... it does not appear that the Ubuntu VM is getting an IP at all. Nothing helpful in the logs to determine why exactly. I'm going to try a different release just in case it's something with that. | 17:01 |
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| zykes- | are you using Quantum now jlondon ? | 17:02 |
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| jlondon | zykes-: No, nova-network. | 17:02 |
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| zykes- | : P | 17:04 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: when are you gonna go doing for vm networking ? | 17:05 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Hmm? | 17:06 |
| zykes- | GRE or VLAN ? | 17:06 |
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| jlondon | Oh, GRE probably. We don't have separate clients to worry about so it can just be a pretty 'flat' network. | 17:12 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: ok :) | 17:16 |
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| nickleNO | I am having an issue with Grizzly and swift. Can anyone point me in the right direction. I am getting ImportError: No module named swift_auth when trying to start the service. | 17:37 |
| notmyname | nickleNO: when you are starting which service? how did you install swift? what version are you using? | 17:38 |
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| nickleNO | notmyname, using swift-init proxy start. Installed manually following a few guides, and using grizzly | 17:44 |
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| nickleNO | Also, here is the config file for swift-proxy.conf. http://paste.openstack.org/show/34637/ | 17:46 |
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| notmyname | nickleNO: looking, but that site is being slow for me... | 17:48 |
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| Egyptian[Work] | hello | 17:50 |
| Egyptian[Work] | woudl anyone know how i could download fuel for openstack without registering at mantis? | 17:50 |
| Egyptian[Work] | sorry mirantis | 17:50 |
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| notmyname | Egyptian[Work]: mailinator? | 17:51 |
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| Egyptian[Work] | notmyname: pardon? | 17:51 |
| Egyptian[Work] | notmyname: oh.. well.. if i had to do that .. it wouldnt be free woudl it? | 17:51 |
| zykes- | jlondon: what hypervisor you using ? | 17:51 |
| Egyptian[Work] | so its not really truly open source | 17:52 |
| jlondon | zykes-: kvm | 17:52 |
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| zykes- | oh nice | 17:52 |
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| jlondon | Yep. I have a pretty big history with it at this point. | 17:53 |
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| notmyname | nickleNO: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/etc/proxy-server.conf-sample#L148 | 17:56 |
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| zykes- | notmyname: o | 17:58 |
| zykes- | notmyname: yo | 17:58 |
| zykes- | what you think of ZFS for Switch ? | 17:58 |
| jlondon | gmi: So, the network issue is solved... it was the image, not my setup. Whew! | 17:58 |
| gmi | jlondon: good job | 17:58 |
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| jlondon | gmi: :) | 17:59 |
| jlondon | Now to test public IP's... I will be very surprised if this works right the first time. | 17:59 |
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| notmyname | zykes-: (in general) I'm not a fan of running swift on top of a distributed file system, and swift provides many of the checks that zfs provides (because swift must run on more than zfs). so if you are using a local file system (ie not multi-volume) and already doing lots of the same consistency checks, then I don't think zfs buys you a lot | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | zykes-: that being said, there has been talk in the past of providing a "local file system" hook layer to tune things to a particular file system. I like the idea, and people from red hat are currently working on something like that, I think | 18:01 |
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| notmyname | zykes-: so for an out-of-the-box experience, I don't think zfs gets you a lot. but it's possible to tune and/or patch swift so that you may be able to offload some of swift's functionality onto zfs. but you'd kinda be on your own. I wouldn't recommend it | 18:02 |
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| jlondon | Wow, surprising... my floating IP's actually worked the first time :P | 18:07 |
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| gmi | jlondon: try a few more time, you'll be surprised :) | 18:07 |
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| jlondon | Whoops.. but I forgot to add my private key so I can't login. | 18:08 |
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| jlondon | Hmm, crud... can't communicate with the internet yet. | 18:11 |
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| gmi | jlondon: does your compute node have Internet access? do you have iptables SNAT rule on the compute host to SNAT traffic from the instances? | 18:18 |
| jlondon | gmi: Yep, has internet access through bond0 | 18:18 |
| jlondon | gmi: Pretty sure it's added automagically by puppet, but let me look. Hold. | 18:18 |
| gmi | jlondon:so, you'are able to ssh into the instance using its private IP, but if you try to ping 8.8.8.8 from there it doesn't work? | 18:19 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Exactly. And SSH to floating IP | 18:19 |
| jlondon | gmi: Well, rather, ssh to floating IP works. | 18:19 |
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| gmi | jlondon: can you try ssh to the floating IP but from outside your environment? | 18:19 |
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| jlondon | gmi: It's still an internal IP (the floating IP). | 18:19 |
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| jlondon | Looking for nat entry | 18:20 |
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| gmi | jlondon: capture the traffic on the bond interface of the host when doing the ping from the instance and see if there is return traffic | 18:20 |
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| jlondon | Let me try another instance without a floating IP | 18:23 |
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| kenperkins | anyone attending Portland? | 18:28 |
| zykes- | kenperkins: yes | 18:28 |
| kenperkins | which parties are recommended? | 18:28 |
| kenperkins | (i can only go for 1 night) | 18:28 |
| zykes- | kenperkins: oh, dunno :p | 18:29 |
| zykes- | Mirantis / Dell one maybe | 18:29 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Ugh... So I think it has to do with the floating IP's not being actual public IP's. With no floating IP everything works. Reason I wondered this is because I noticed in the SNAT entries it was referencing the float IP instead of the 10. | 18:29 |
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| gmi | jlondon: no, I have a lab env with 172.x as floating and it works fine | 18:30 |
| jlondon | gmi: Hrmm, okay. | 18:30 |
| jlondon | gmi: Is your external interface using promisc mode? | 18:31 |
| jlondon | I am not using that on mine currently. | 18:31 |
| jlondon | gmi: Only on the 'internal' network. | 18:31 |
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| gmi | jlondon: when you assign a floating IP, it gets binded on the eth0 (or whatever you use as public interface) and there should be a SNAT rule like this "SNAT all -- 10.0.0.15 anywhare to:172.16.15.10" if your floating IP is 172.16.15.10 and the private IP is 10.0.0.15 | 18:33 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Correct, and that exists: 10.0.0.8 0.0.0.0/0 to:172.30.2.2 | 18:34 |
| gmi | jlondon: does it get any hits? | 18:34 |
| jlondon | Wait... let me check that part of the /22 subnet actually is routable. :P | 18:35 |
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| jlondon | *blush* Whoops | 18:37 |
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| jlondon | No, no it's not. | 18:37 |
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| jlondon | only the .0.0 part is right now :P | 18:37 |
| jlondon | not .2.0 | 18:37 |
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| ultrabizweb | any of you guys tried fuel yet? | 18:38 |
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| jlondon | You can assign an IP range rather than simply a subnet to floating, correct? | 18:40 |
| jlondon | I'll just add some of the 0.0 range to floating. | 18:40 |
| jlondon | I have not. What is it? | 18:40 |
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| gmi | jlondon: http://www.mirantis.com/company/press-release/mirantis-fuel-openstack-secret-sauce/ | 18:41 |
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| ultrabizweb | scripts for installing openstack on RH Centos and Ubuntu | 18:42 |
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| ultrabizweb | supposed to streamline the process make it easier | 18:42 |
| ultrabizweb | http://fuel.mirantis.com | 18:42 |
| ultrabizweb | they just released it opensource | 18:43 |
| ultrabizweb | I just signed up for account it is free it is liscensed under apache liscense | 18:43 |
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| kenperkins | annegentle are you around | 18:44 |
| ultrabizweb | I guess paypal/ebay are going to openstack from vmware this summer | 18:45 |
| chathura77 | Can anyone tell me what is the equivalent functionality to bridge adapter in virtual box, in openstack? | 18:45 |
| ultrabizweb | and mirantis is the company helping them do it | 18:45 |
| jlondon | Ah. I use puppet here, so I just utilize the puppet modules available for installing openstack. | 18:45 |
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| ultrabizweb | yea I'm new to openstack | 18:45 |
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| kenperkins | it seems each product can handle authentication natively? is this accurate? | 18:45 |
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| chathura77 | I want to put my VMs in to the same network as my physical hosts, where the IP's are automatically assigned by a DHCP server. | 18:46 |
| jlondon | Ah, just noticed their toolkit also includes puppet manifests. | 18:46 |
| ultrabizweb | been trying to find a stable distro or one I can setup with minimal steps mainly for testing right now dont have access to a lot of hardware so would have to test in a VM | 18:46 |
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| ultrabizweb | plus right at this moment I dont have the time to really dive into another vm technology. | 18:47 |
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| ultrabizweb | yea I guess they created fuel for paypal and then open sourced it | 18:47 |
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| jlondon | gmi: Yep, it was just I forgot that .2.x was not routable currently... Gave a few .0.x addresses to Openstack and it's all good now :) | 18:48 |
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| gmi | jlondon:I'm glad it's working fine now :) | 18:49 |
| jlondon | gmi: Thanks for the help. Next I get to install swift! Whoo! | 18:50 |
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| jlondon | Oh, has anyone seen some pre-built centos images floating around? I've seen some for Fedora but couldn't locate any for centos. | 18:53 |
| jlondon | I'll build my own images for a final production install but just need some for testing. | 18:53 |
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| jlondon | Wait, found the rackspace repository. Disregard | 18:55 |
| kbringard | jlondon: only cent images I've found are like 5.3 from eucalyptus | 18:55 |
| kbringard | but I'd look into setting up boxgrinder | 18:55 |
| jlondon | https://github.com/rackerjoe/oz-image-build | 18:55 |
| kbringard | it's pretty easy to do and should meet your custom images need | 18:55 |
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| jlondon | kbringard: Yeah, I'll for sure use a utility like that (or plain kvm) for final. This is all just testing right now. | 18:56 |
| kbringard | cool | 18:56 |
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| kbringard | I'd seriously look at bopxgrinder before kvm plain, they have an appliance you can launch in openstack and build images | 18:57 |
| kbringard | it's what I do here and it works great | 18:57 |
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| zykes- | there's oz | 18:57 |
| kbringard | I wrote some scripts to bootstrap the VM for my environment | 18:57 |
| zykes- | kbringard: but also Aeolus has some stuff going for them | 18:57 |
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| kbringard | zykes-: good to know | 18:58 |
| kbringard | thanks :-) | 18:58 |
| zykes- | kbringard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdBM4HA3QUk | 18:58 |
| jlondon | I looked at Aeolus. I wasn't sure how useful it would be to me as the only external cloud provider we might use in addition to Openstack is integration with ec2. | 18:59 |
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| kbringard | yea, I've worked with usharsoft as well, which seems to be a similar thing | 19:02 |
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| mrj | Does anyone do any sort of elastic Windows hosting? I'm really curious about the caveats | 19:04 |
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| kbringard | getting virtio installed in windows images is a bit of a pain | 19:05 |
| kbringard | mrj: ^^ | 19:05 |
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| NuxRo | mrj: waste of resources? :) | 19:05 |
| mrj | Not if your customers pay for them :> | 19:05 |
| kbringard | as is mimicking cloud-init | 19:05 |
| NuxRo | kbringard: why is it a pain? | 19:06 |
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| kbringard | just keeping it up to date | 19:06 |
| kbringard | in my experience | 19:06 |
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| kbringard | plus, there's licensing and stuff | 19:06 |
| mrj | I've done a lot of windows on KVM and really never had issues with virtio, just need to preinject the drivers for migrations and what not | 19:06 |
| kbringard | if you per tenant networks, you have to make sure the licensing server can be reached by all of them | 19:06 |
| NuxRo | virtio on windows is pretty simple | 19:06 |
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| NuxRo | and for cloud-init you can use this http://www.cloudbase.it/cloud-init-for-windows-instances/ | 19:06 |
| kbringard | sure, to "just get installed", but we've had issues with tenants "needing" a specific instance | 19:07 |
| kbringard | err, image | 19:07 |
| kbringard | and being unwilling to update the drivers in the instance | 19:07 |
| kbringard | and it causes network problems and such | 19:07 |
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| mrj | NuxRo thanks for that link | 19:07 |
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| kbringard | just sharing some of the issues I've encountered running Windows in an OpenStack cloud with quite a few tenants and VMs :-D | 19:08 |
| kbringard | few of which are technical issues | 19:08 |
| mrj | Oh definitely, theres quite a few things do adjust | 19:08 |
| jlondon | The only way to do live migrations is with the CLI, correct? There doesn't appear to be a method in Horizon, which is fine.. just wondering. | 19:09 |
| ultrabizweb | installing centos 6.3 now on vmware workstation | 19:09 |
| ultrabizweb | then going to try out fuel script | 19:09 |
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| kenperkins | devstack doesn't include storage by default? | 19:12 |
| kenperkins | rather, swift endpoint? | 19:12 |
| jlondon | I don't believe so, no. | 19:13 |
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| jlondon | Pretty much nothing I've seen that you can 'just install' includes swift. | 19:13 |
| jpich | jlondon: At the moment this is correct, yep (re: live migrations) | 19:13 |
| jlondon | jpich: Thanks. | 19:13 |
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| mrj | Can someone give me a rundown on cloud-init? The wiki is.. not very deep | 19:14 |
| kenperkins | hm, so how do you setup swift? | 19:14 |
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| mrj | "handles early initilization of a cloud instance".. Is it specifically designed for ec2? | 19:14 |
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| jlondon | mrj: I don't know a huge amount about it given I'm new to Openstack as well, but from what I know about it it's essentially the bootstrap routine to add facts, run init scripts on the VM instances, etc. | 19:15 |
| mrj | Yeah it looks like it gets the IP and things of that nature going | 19:15 |
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| jlondon | mrj: In opennebula (which I know much more about), they just mount an iso image and run whatever scripts you have in it. | 19:16 |
| jlondon | mrj: So for instance the scripts I run during bootstrapping get a valid IP/gateway and install puppet. | 19:16 |
| mrj | So i"m a vmware/kvm guy and starting to get into the cloud/elastic stuff (smartos, openstack, cloudstack) and I'm kind of blown away with the amount of apps/services | 19:17 |
| mrj | It's pretty confusing | 19:17 |
| jlondon | kenperkins: Depends on your setup method. If you're using a puppet/chef based method then it's just another manifest to run. If it's devstack, look for documentation online I guess... | 19:17 |
| mrj | How do you like OpenNebula? | 19:17 |
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| kenperkins | jlondon: thanks, just trying to figure out how to test node.js code against swift proper, rather than with rackspace | 19:18 |
| jlondon | mrj: I'm actually quite happy with it... but it exists in a totally different world than Openstack. It's very good at running in essentially any configuration you could throw at it and doesn't need much more than storage for VM's and servers. | 19:18 |
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| jlondon | mrj: But, at the same time... this openness means that you have to configure everything to start with, thus my puppet manifest for installing Opennebula is pretty large. | 19:19 |
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| jlondon | mrj: Essentially if you want to run a public type cloud and need swift type storage, go Openstack. If you want a private cloud and don't want to be locked into a particular way of configuring your environment, use Opennebula. | 19:20 |
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| mrj | Yeah, this is a hosting environment. I've been trying to get good information on what most of the metered/elastic guys use | 19:20 |
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| jlondon | mrj: Probably VMWare or Openstack at this point. | 19:21 |
| zykes- | jlondon: you going for vmware ? :p | 19:21 |
| mrj | Yeah at Rackspace we of course did Openstack. I'm a Vmware service provider nowadays but this product line I'd prefer open | 19:21 |
| jlondon | mrj: Although if you just want to get to selling metered usage and want this stuff working, check out Onapp. | 19:21 |
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| jlondon | mrj: It's not open-source/free though... but seems to be getting popular in the metered space. | 19:22 |
| zykes- | metered what ? | 19:22 |
| mrj | I've heard great things about Onapp apart from per service costs | 19:22 |
| jlondon | zykes-: VMWare? Not for me, no :P. I'll never touch the stuff. | 19:22 |
| mrj | Metered usage mostly, per hour/ etc. Course, might cannibalize everything else by going that route | 19:23 |
| jlondon | mrj: Yeah, and they just released 3.0 not long ago which adds some really cool CDN storage stuff. I have absolutely no use for Onapp, but I've been impressed about what I've read of it. | 19:23 |
| mrj | jlondon once you go vMotion it's hard to go back! | 19:23 |
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| zykes- | mrj: alot of this stuff is being worked on though :) | 19:24 |
| jlondon | mrj: I've used XenServer. That's about as close as I'll get to VMWare ;) | 19:24 |
| mrj | I actually migrated my datacenter from xenserver to VMware last year | 19:24 |
| zykes- | mrj: why ? | 19:24 |
| jlondon | mrj: Why so? | 19:24 |
| zykes- | :P | 19:24 |
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| mrj | The fact that at that time (not sure about now) you still couldn't migrate a live server kind of shocked me (i'd never had xenserver till then) | 19:25 |
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| mrj | I like Xenservers interface FAR more than Vsphere though. I still constantly get lost in Vsphere. | 19:25 |
| annegentle | kenperkins: am now, writing back to your email too :) | 19:25 |
| zykes- | mrj: I think now you can do live migration including block migration accross clusters even without shared storage | 19:25 |
| jlondon | mrj: You can migrate live servers for a while now.. | 19:25 |
| mrj | And now they're going the entire JAVA app route which is hilarious | 19:25 |
| kenperkins | annegentle: no prob, just find myself super confused with swift, but dabo helped clarify some of it | 19:25 |
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| jlondon | mrj: You can even, with 6.1, migrate live VM's across storage. Which is pretty slick. | 19:26 |
| mrj | Yeah, last year IIRC you coudln't. It made my migration.. fun | 19:26 |
| mrj | Plus I really love Veeam | 19:26 |
| zykes- | jlondon: indeed, you can make storage migration across clusters | 19:26 |
| mrj | Although PHDvirtual was great | 19:26 |
| annegentle | kenperkins: ok cool, did he show how to make a localrc with swift hash and replicas settings? | 19:26 |
| jlondon | mrj: And friggin expensive... | 19:26 |
| annegentle | kenperkins: and enable_service swift? | 19:26 |
| kenperkins | annegentle… you're speaking german | 19:26 |
| mrj | Vmware is shockingly affordable if you're a VSPP (service provider) | 19:26 |
| jlondon | mrj: For any of my XenServer stuff I just use some home-built scripts. PHD quoted me and my jaw dropped. | 19:27 |
| mrj | hm.. I don't remember what we paid | 19:27 |
| mrj | I pay monthyl for veeam, something like $60/host | 19:27 |
| mrj | VMware is only $.95/c a reserved gig.. that's everything, full enterprise etc | 19:28 |
| jlondon | Don't get me wrong, PHDvirtual is a really slick piece of software, but I'd find it hard to justify the price. | 19:28 |
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| saintx | Where do I submit problems with trunk documentation? | 19:28 |
| mrj | Is there anything similar to OnApp that can utilize local storage? | 19:28 |
| annegentle | saintx: http://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals please | 19:29 |
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| zykes- | mrj: how you mean ? | 19:29 |
| jlondon | mrj: You mean like how Openstack gives you an iscsi share? | 19:29 |
| saintx | annegentle: Thanks much. | 19:29 |
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| jlondon | mrj: If so, yes. You can also use it to store blob data like Swift does http://onapp.com/cloud/features/storage/ | 19:30 |
| annegentle | saintx: ideally you'll patch it too if you know the fix, or put enough detail in the doc bug to consider it triaged | 19:30 |
| saintx | This particular issue is with keystone docs, and well you won't get very far in grizzly without keystone. | 19:30 |
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| mrj | jlondon what differentiates OpenNebula and OpenStack that you'd say Nebula is more for private cloud? | 19:32 |
| zykes- | mrj: I would say that with grizzly OS is for everything :) | 19:32 |
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| jlondon | mrj: Well there's nothing stopping you from using OpenNebula for a public cloud, and in fact the largest install of OpenNebula is in China and they do public cloud stuff with it (they have some special stuff they wrote for object storage though). | 19:33 |
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| mrj | aw, no grizzly yet | 19:34 |
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| jlondon | mrj: But, I say it's better for private/hybrid cloud because it uses a methodology that is more tailored for that kind of usage in general. Basically they give you the minimum toolset which allows for it to not 'get in the way' with your system design. I'd say that, for me at least, is why I'd consider it more tailored for private cloud. | 19:35 |
| mrj | Paypal To Drop VMware From 80000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack | 19:35 |
| saintx | annegentle: fortunately (in anticipation of this), I already made a launchpad account. Bug filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1160550 | 19:35 |
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| jlondon | mrj: Yep. Saw the news yesterday. VMWare must be scared right about now. They've been making comments about how crappy Openstack and others like it are compared to what they offer. | 19:36 |
| kip_litton | openstack does live migration? | 19:36 |
| jlondon | kip_litton: Yes | 19:36 |
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| zykes- | kip_litton: for one it does live and live block migration | 19:36 |
| zykes- | fyi | 19:36 |
| jlondon | kip_litton: You have to configure it though as it does not do so out of the box. | 19:36 |
| kip_litton | i wish openstack ran macosx guests | 19:36 |
| zykes- | jlondon: what news ? | 19:36 |
| kip_litton | then id delete my esxi installs! | 19:36 |
| jlondon | zykes-: What mrj just mentioned... paypal moving to Openstack from vmware. | 19:37 |
| zykes- | kip_litton: that's not a limitation of openstack, it's a limitation of the underlying software | 19:37 |
| dabo | I'm getting odd results with keystone on devstack. The request is succeeding, but the response is missing the 'tenant' key in the token dict: | 19:37 |
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| dabo | {u'access': {u'metadata': {u'is_admin': 0, u'roles': []}, | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'serviceCatalog': [], | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'token': {u'expires': u'2013-03-27T19:33:09Z', | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'id': '<redacted>', | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'issued_at': u'2013-03-26T19:33:09.456013'}, | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'user': {u'id': u'74a984a56021412f84e9948baede4293', | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'name': u'demo', | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'roles': [], | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'roles_links': [], | 19:37 |
| dabo | u'username': u'demo'}}} | 19:37 |
| zykes- | dabo: please do pastebins for that kinda stuff | 19:37 |
| dabo | Empty serviceCatalog, too | 19:37 |
| kip_litton | you can run macosx vm guests in esxi after a lot of pain and suffering | 19:37 |
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| jlondon | And you could run them in kvm as well... but you'd have about the same amount of pain and suffering. | 19:38 |
| kip_litton | its a little less pain and suffering w/ esxi. also i was doing it legally! | 19:39 |
| jlondon | Technically there's no way to do it legally at this point given that Apple doesn't distribute images any longer or physical media. | 19:39 |
| kip_litton | you can run it legally in esxi under mac hardware | 19:39 |
| jlondon | Yes, and how did you generate the install images? :) | 19:40 |
| kip_litton | got a mac mini, bought vmware fusion, installed a mac guest, transferred the image to esxi, screwed around with the vmx file until it worked | 19:40 |
| jlondon | mmm hmm. Exactly :) | 19:41 |
| kip_litton | totally legal! | 19:41 |
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| kenperkins | what is "X-Container-Meta-InspectedBy" used for in Container Metadata HEAD requets | 19:46 |
| kenperkins | requests | 19:46 |
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| jlondon | Umm... are you sure aren't seeing that from your firewall or AV software? | 19:47 |
| annegentle | kenperkins: it's a made up example of custom metadata | 19:47 |
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| kenperkins | jlondon: http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-object-storage/1.0/content/retrieve-container-metadata.html | 19:49 |
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| jlondon | Ah, yes, what annegentle said. | 19:49 |
| annegentle | saintx: Fixed, thanks for reporting https://review.openstack.org/25431 | 19:49 |
| saintx | annegentle++ | 19:51 |
| saintx | (if we had a karma bot to track our karma here, that'd be sweet. But it's the thought that counts) | 19:52 |
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| saintx | annegentle: Is there a branch of public docs that's "more fresh" than trunk at docs.openstack.org? | 19:53 |
| annegentle | saintx: nope | 19:54 |
| mrj | What is Nova Computer? | 19:54 |
| saintx | Or do you recommend checking them out from git? Not sure what the best case is. | 19:54 |
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| saintx | mrj: nova is the name of the compute service. Generally, logic/compute is a separate role from storage, networking, and so forth in cloud computing. | 19:55 |
| jlondon | mrj: Nova Compute? | 19:55 |
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| annegentle | saintx: the docs are published to trunk as soon as they hit master through review.openstack.org and our Jenkins server | 19:55 |
| mrj | I see | 19:55 |
| annegentle | saintx: so they mimic what's on github | 19:55 |
| annegentle | saintx: it's just a tough time for docs right now as we don't have the numbers to keep up with development :) | 19:56 |
| saintx | annegentle: "He may criticize, who has the heart to help." -- Lincoln | 19:56 |
| jlondon | mrj: Nova compute for the vm instances, nova network for networking abstraction (although now quantum... which I'm worried about and I was having a conversation about that earlier), cinder for vm storage.. etc. | 19:56 |
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| mrj | geez | 19:57 |
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| jlondon | mrj: I only listed 1/3 of the components | 19:58 |
| mrj | Does Nova just distribute computing load across VMs? | 19:58 |
| mrj | I'm reading about running it on HyperV and trying to understand why I'd run it on hyperv | 19:58 |
| jlondon | mrj: There's keystone for authentication, glance for vm images... | 19:58 |
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| mrj | i didn't realize openstack had so much more than kvm | 19:58 |
| jlondon | mrj: Not sure what you mean? Like distribute a single instance across multiple servers? No... still not at that point in 'cloud' computing. If you mean split various servers across multiple compute nodes, then yes. | 19:59 |
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| annegentle | saintx: cool Lincoln quote :) | 19:59 |
| nickleNO | Anyone running Grizzly with swift? Can you paste your proxy-server.conf | 20:00 |
| saintx | Yeah, Openstack is much more than just the libvirt/qemu/openvswitch ecosystem. It adds on management, block and volume storage, image/snapshot services, and other service abstraction layers. | 20:00 |
| notmyname | nickleNO: did you have a question about that sample propxy config I pasted? | 20:01 |
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| saintx | annegentle: I think I paraphrased it somewhat, but the gist is there. | 20:01 |
| nickleNO | ty, going to review it now | 20:02 |
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| mrj | Messing around with stackops right now | 20:07 |
| jlondon | mrj: Would suggest looking elsewhere.. Stackops doesn't get regularly updated. They're still on essex. | 20:07 |
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| mrj | oh. Any recs? | 20:08 |
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| mrj | Found nebula and piston | 20:10 |
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| jlondon | Piston or http://www.cloudscaling.com | 20:10 |
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| nickleNO | When using namespaces for Quantum, should the routes show up when you do route -a | 20:19 |
| jlondon | mrj: If you have a couple free machines you could also get it setup pretty easily using MaaS + Juju. I use puppet for deployment of everything I do (now including Openstack), but that's not exactly plug-and-play. | 20:19 |
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| mrj | Yeah I've dealt with puppet a tiny bit | 20:21 |
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| jlondon | mrj: If you don't use a configuration management solution I highly, highly suggest integrating one into everything you do. | 20:25 |
| jlondon | mrj: I used to poo-poo them but I saw the light a couple years ago. | 20:26 |
| mrj | Most of the stuff I'm finding is for application clouds whereas I'm looking more for server cloud type of stuff | 20:27 |
| mrj | Yeah puppets definitely necessary | 20:27 |
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| zykes- | mrj: stackops is cool yes | 20:27 |
| zykes- | Piston is cool as well ! | 20:27 |
| jlondon | mrj: define server cloud. | 20:28 |
| mrj | jlondon just like Rackspace, I want the customer to be able to spin up servers of whatever OS.. say you pay monthly for a 20 node and can then distribute those to other datacenters | 20:29 |
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| mrj | and other things, like have servers offline but brought up at certain thresholds | 20:30 |
| zykes- | jlondon: yes they may still be on essex | 20:31 |
| zykes- | but they are heavily customized contra say openstack on ubuntu | 20:31 |
| zykes- | which is kinda "plain" | 20:31 |
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| jlondon | mrj: Well Openstack takes care of the hosting of the server instances. | 20:31 |
| jlondon | mrj: If you want auto-scaling you have to integrate something like Scalr or Rightscale. | 20:32 |
| jlondon | Or, roll your own. | 20:32 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: autoscaling > heat | 20:32 |
| zykes- | fyi ! :) | 20:32 |
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| jlondon | heat? | 20:32 |
| mrj | man i need a cheat sheet just for all the names | 20:33 |
| mrj | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat | 20:33 |
| zykes- | jlondon: yes heat :) | 20:33 |
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| jlondon | Oh, yeah... That's not finalized though, right? | 20:33 |
| jlondon | I thought that was just in planning stages? | 20:33 |
| zykes- | jlondon: HP are making a tool that uses Heat | 20:33 |
| zykes- | fyi, to deploy openstack ontop of openstack | 20:33 |
| jlondon | Like the ELB 'replacement' | 20:33 |
| mrj | An overview of the architecture is available. As the developers have only started development in March 2012, the architecture is evolving rapidly. | 20:33 |
| zykes- | jlondon: it's like Ceilometer, in incubation | 20:33 |
| jlondon | Yeah, that's what I figured. | 20:34 |
| zykes- | mrj: same as with Heat | 20:34 |
| zykes- | jlondon: if you got some guts and know how though, you can do amazing things with openstack | 20:34 |
| zykes- | to say the least :) | 20:34 |
| zykes- | RedDwarf DBaaS, Quantum LBaaS, Moniker DNSaaS, Heat, Ceilometer, kwapi, Ceilometer | 20:34 |
| zykes- | I can go on and on | 20:34 |
| mrj | http://www.openstack.org/summit/san-diego-2012/openstack-summit-sessions/presentation/heat-a-template-based-orchestration-engine-for-openstack | 20:35 |
| zykes- | mrj: indeed | 20:35 |
| mrj | maybe it's me but i can barely hear this | 20:35 |
| jlondon | Yeah, but that gets back to my beef with Openstack right now... it's in such active development at the core, I'm currently afraid of implementing it in a production environment for fear I'll have to tear down my entire cluster for a new release. | 20:35 |
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| zykes- | mrj: yes, the "extra" projects are in development | 20:37 |
| jlondon | mrj: Oh, also I forgot about Stackato.. that does auto-scaling and PaaS on top of Openstack. | 20:37 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: Stackato is just CloudFoundry ontop of openstack | 20:37 |
| zykes- | with more "coolish" tools then the standard one | 20:37 |
| jlondon | Also http://www.cloudifysource.org/ | 20:37 |
| zykes- | jlondon: also openshift :) | 20:38 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Yeah, but stock CF is..... kind of useless to most developers outside of Java or ruby. | 20:38 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Stackato is the only one I know of that can do PHP on top of CF | 20:38 |
| zykes- | jlondon: check out openshift also by RH | 20:38 |
| jlondon | I don't think openshift has a working Openstack integration yet though.. | 20:39 |
| jlondon | I know of the project and explored it. | 20:39 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: you gonna do openstack for prod ? | 20:40 |
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| Steff00 | Hi All . I'm looking for DAAS (Desktop as a Service) for use with Openstack, but can't find anything for the moment. Can anybody help me ? | 20:41 |
| jlondon | zykes-: That's the plan, but I'm a little skittish now that I've started actively working with it. I'm concerned about how with every release it seems you have complete 180 shifts in technology which potentially mean tearing down production clusters. | 20:41 |
| mrj | we're doing openstack in prod but we're not using any of the cloud technology yet | 20:41 |
| mrj | really just kvm | 20:41 |
| jlondon | zykes-: Basically like the change from nova-storage to cinder and this upcoming change from nova-network to Quantum... If I use nova-network now, for instance, will I be able to do a rolling upgrade to Quantum? | 20:41 |
| zykes- | I don't know this that much :) | 20:42 |
| jlondon | changing VPN.. might get kicked. | 20:42 |
| zykes- | I think you should try to ask @ the ML | 20:42 |
| zykes- | mrj: not using any of the cloud technologY ? | 20:42 |
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| mrj | well, we're really just using kvm.. we've got openstack on a few test boxes | 20:43 |
| jlondon_ | bakc | 20:43 |
| zykes- | jlondon_: you going to the summit ? | 20:43 |
| zykes- | mrj: who's "we" if I can ask ? | 20:43 |
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| jlondon_ | zykes-: Probably not. Very, very busy these days. | 20:44 |
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| lyncos | Hi .. I'm trying to find a way to list all my 'cinder-volume' nodes and how many disk space is available on each... how can I acheive that ? | 20:48 |
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| mjevans | I'm trying to understand how fault tollerant an OpenStack infrastructure can be made. Ideally I'd like to be able to temporarily rotate out any single server (having at least (in this case exactly) two others to retain redundancy) for maintenance and then re-join it later. So far everything I see documented indicates that I'd have to take the entire cluster down if I want to move key services. | 20:53 |
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| jlondon | mjevans: Basically, it's as fault tolerant as you're willing to make it. | 20:56 |
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| jlondon | mjevans: You can do load-balancing (and thus HA) to pretty much any of the services, except for currently Quantum. | 20:56 |
| jlondon | mjevans: You also have to implement a clustered mysql solution. The configuration management modules Cisco builds uses Galera for that. | 20:57 |
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| jlondon | mjevans: If you're building your own solution, you're welcome to use my puppet module for galera deployment: https://github.com/justicel/puppet-galera | 20:57 |
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| jlondon | mjevans: Now, if you're asking for out-of-the-box HA... you'll have to buy a solution to do that. | 20:59 |
| mrj | zykes- just a webhost.. we don't do any cloud right now, just tossing around the ideas trying to figure out what people actually do | 20:59 |
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| jlondon | mrj: If you're just doing plain-old-webhosting... I dunno.. maybe Onapp would be the better of the solutions for you. | 21:00 |
| jlondon | bbiab | 21:00 |
| mjevans | jlondon: More like what are the requirements for actually establishing that; it sounds likely to be something I've heard of but not done before, multi-master database replication. | 21:01 |
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| jlondon | mjevans: Ah, well... take a look at my puppet module, or look at the galera website http://www.codership.com | 21:01 |
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| mjevans | Thanks, I'll look in to those | 21:02 |
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| saintx | Alright. Got keystone from grizzly-rc1 up and running. Declaring victory and going home. | 21:17 |
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| saintx | annegentle: Best page in the new docs is http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/verifying-identity-install.html I really really appreciate having a full page for verifying the install. | 21:29 |
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| annegentle | saintx: Woo. | 21:55 |
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| jlondon | so... does anyone here know for sure, before I continue working with nova-networking... if nova-networking will continue to be present, or is everything going to move to Quantum? | 21:56 |
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| jlondon | Basically that's my concern right now. | 21:56 |
| jlondon | And further, if it does... will there be a rolling migration type route to switch? | 21:57 |
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| mjevans | I know nothing, I just got to 'here'. Quantum seems like new hotness; likely to continue. Old methods may be deprecated? | 21:57 |
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| zykes- | jlondon: probably moving to quantum | 21:59 |
| zykes- | jlondon: you could try #openstack-dev and ask markmclain | 21:59 |
| jlondon | K, I will try so. | 22:00 |
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| ultrabizweb | looks like fuel has an centos 6.3 iso | 22:28 |
| ultrabizweb | I'm trying to install it now in vmware as a test | 22:28 |
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| mrj | man it's incredible how many tabs i have to close by 6pm | 22:34 |
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| mrj | good ole 24gb of ram | 22:34 |
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| boozedog | hi there, anyone have a moment for a devstack question? sorry if i'm in the wrong place ... | 22:51 |
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