Tuesday, 2013-06-04

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charlieStacktrying to find out how the UUID is generated for base images under /var/lib/nova/instances/_base, can anyone point me in the right direction?00:05
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isasiais it possible to save an image to my local machine? i would like to create a virtualbox image00:46
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h6wisasia: Do you mean from a running VM inside Openstack?  Or are you talking about a real machine transfer to an image to run as a VM inside Openstack?00:57
isasiah6w: i mean, i am running virtualbox on mu laptop, and i have a openstack compliant provider, and i would like to copy the image off my provider and run in my vm for development00:58
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h6wYes.  Make sure you have a kernel that is compliant with your provider in the image, then export the hard disks and then upload it.   You may get a performance hit, tho, depending on the CPU you chose to emulate.01:01
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h6wYour provider should have a howto on this.01:01
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isasiah6w: export the harddisks and then upload it?01:04
isasiaupload what?01:04
h6wThe virtual disk image.01:04
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h6wIt will be a VDI or VMDK, etc, etc,.01:05
isasiah6w: i have a snapshot at my provider, which i created from an instance01:05
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isasiai think you are missundersatnding me01:05
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isasiah6w: i think you read me wrong, i want to load my providers image in my virtual box.01:06
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mgwi've followed this to get grizzly on a single node (en EC2 instance) with quantum: https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Grizzly-Install-Guide/blob/OVS_SingleNode/OpenStack_Grizzly_Install_Guide.rst01:09
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h6woic.  Pretty much the same process, but in reverse, and with the same caveat.   Virtualbox doesn't understand all CPUs and kernels, so the kernel has to be compatible with *your* Virtualbox for it to work.01:09
mgwthe cirros instances are booting, and getting an IP from dhcp, but I have no route from the compute node to the instances01:09
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h6wisasia: I'd suggest that your question is really one that should be asked in #virtualbox or with your provider.  There are things that can be specific to the provider that they will know.  It isn't really a question that has a general answer.01:11
isasiah6w: so none of the client tools are able to dump the images/snapshots inside openstack?01:12
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h6wisasia: You can dump anything you want.  Openstack is just a wrapper around the hypervisor and network environments.  What you want to do is specific to the hypervisor chosen by your provider and the environment provided by your specific Virtualbox installation.01:14
isasiah6w: i can only access the providers hypervisor via openstack01:14
h6wisasia: Yes, but that's not the problem.  It's what's *inside* the VM that matters here.01:15
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isasiah6w: i thought perhaps there was a tool which would let me dump the snapshot i have in there01:16
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isasiainto whatever format and that i would then try to convert that into virtualbox or something01:16
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h6wThere are, but that's a decision that's made by your Openstack provider.  You need to contact them about how they offer uploading and downloading of snapshots and volumes.01:19
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h6wAnd even then, there's no guarantee that will run inside your Virtualbox environment.01:20
isasiah6w: ok i guess i will have to contact them. thank you for your patience and help.01:21
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isasiah6w: after some playing around : glance image-download01:34
isasiathat worked fine01:34
isasiathanks anyway01:34
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tontsaanyone have good pointers how to debug quantum ovs gre-type of network? like how to make sure the gre tunnels have established as ovs' own logging is kinda parse on that area.. also same thing for quantum06:32
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tontsai'm also bit unsure whether on network node there needs to be br-eth1 bridge or is it enough that br-int has the eth1 interface in it06:34
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regulat0rHi, I'm having some troubles getting quantum to work. In horizon I get "Error: Network list can not be retrieved.", so i checked the apache error log where it sais connection refused. then i checked keystone where there was a service but no endpoint configured, so I added the endpoint, made sure quantum-server is running, but i'm still getting connection refused.07:46
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regulat0rplus: quantum log spams these two lines endlessly: 2013-06-04 09:43:01  WARNING [quantum.quota] router is already registered.07:47
regulat0r2013-06-04 09:43:01  WARNING [quantum.quota] floatingip is already registered.07:47
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erwan_ta-hi portante10:24
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erwan_ta-portante: I just discovered https://blueprints.launchpad.net/swift/+spec/diskfile-databasebroker-as-apis your created10:24
erwan_ta-portante: can we speak about it ?10:24
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portanteerwan_ta-: hello10:37
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Ilei'm getting the following error to my upstart log when i'm trying to start nova-compute10:46
Ilenova-compute: error: unrecognized arguments: --flagfile=/etc/nova/nova.conf --flagfile /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf10:46
Ileis there a way to fix this10:46
erwan_ta-portante: I wanted to know if it was related to zaitcev's swift-lfs branch (https://github.com/zaitcev/swift-lfs)10:46
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portanteerwan_ta-: it is, but not derived from that10:58
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erwan_ta-portante: In fact, I'm intersted in this topic but trying to figure who is working on it and what ressources are required to achieve this blueprint11:03
erwan_ta-portante: I mean, It sounds like very few are interested actively on it, isn'it ?11:03
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erwan_ta-portante: is there any particular target/timeframe for setting up this new feature ?11:05
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erwan_ta-portante: sounds like pete is very gluster oriented, does some other thinks about something like ceph ?11:05
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portanteerwan_te-: sorry was in a meeting11:49
portanteerwan_ta-: ^^^11:49
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portanteerwan_ta-: the goal of this work is to make it available to develop any backends, so it would be applicable to ceph, potentially11:50
portantepete is not focused on gluster so much as it is the only known alternative backend that "works" today instead of a complete rewrite implementation11:50
portanteso gluster's efforts here are a good starting point to highlight the nature of the internal interfaces, get them defined, thus allowing some flexibility11:51
portanteerwan_ta-: this topic might be best discussed on #openstack-swift11:51
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koolhead17ekarlso:12:32
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ekarlsokoolhead17: ping12:36
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koolhead17ekarlso: got few mins12:37
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goldyfruitEmilienM: did you seen my link yesterday ?12:50
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regulat0r__I'm having some troubles getting quantum to work. In horizon I get "Error: Network list can not be retrieved.", so i checked the apache error log where it sais connection refused. then i checked keystone where there was a service but no endpoint configured, so I added the endpoint, made sure quantum-server is running, but i'm still getting connection refused.  quantum log spams these two lines: WA12:54
regulat0r__RNING [quantum.quota] router is already registered. WARNING [quantum.quota] floatingip is already registered. Anyone an idea?12:54
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ChocoboDoes the Cinder NFS driver allow clustering cinder-volume?14:02
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sygnousmeh... stuck with this again.. my tenants look ok, my services look ok, but I can get run the version control 0 for glance cause I get an access denied14:25
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sygnousthe glance admin password works fine to get a token14:26
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shadylogHi. I want to install Devstack to try out openstack. Which ubuntu version should i be running14:28
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geordish13.04 ?14:29
shadylogthe guide says ubuntu precise 12.04 but.. 13.04 is out, is this supported for devstack?14:29
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geordishshadylog: it probably doesnt matter, as I think Ubuntu cloud archives have the latest version of Openstack anyway14:29
shadylogis this also for devstack?14:29
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geordishwell I would imagine it gets its packages from apt14:30
geordishI've never used it in fairness14:30
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gmigeordish: devstack gets the trunk source code from github14:30
geordisheven better then14:30
geordishand actually, that makes more sense14:30
shadyloghttp://devstack.org/guides/single-machine.html says 12.04 though?14:31
shadylogI'm asking because I need to burn a cd.. (and rather not install the wrong distribution). My goal is to quickly setup devstack to test the API's.14:31
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gmishadylog:I think it "should" work on 13.04, but it works for sure on 12.0414:32
sygnousanybody got a clue why I'm stuck?14:33
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sygnousget a 1045 error... nothing on the google that I've found14:34
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sygnouswith debug logging14:34
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gmidoes anybody have a working example of egress filtering with quantum security groups?14:36
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zanetworkerHey Guy, I have question regarding openStack Networking14:39
zanetworkerHow can I deploy openStack Networking to follow an SDN approach14:40
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jfarschmanQuick one.  What the best place to install my local cinder-volume on a single node system?  /var/cinder-voumes… but it's not really variable?15:25
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shadylog_ls -al16:00
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shadylog_eh..16:00
shadylog_sorry16:00
shadylog_Anyway.. When using openstack, are there any images I can install download for KVM?16:01
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radixis anyone else having problems getting networking working in devstack lately?16:31
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DaveJ__Hi - does anyone know if there are plans to support cpu pinning in Openstack? specifically I want the ability to pin vCPUs to CPUs in the same numa cell16:33
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DaveJ__But if the virsh vcpupin functionality is exposed into nova, then I can work out the numa configuration myself16:34
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sygnousI gotta say.. I haven't been able to get an install to work yet, and I've been working on this for a long time16:58
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sygnousdevstack works of course... but manual install doesn't work at the glance steps, RDO install doesn't work with the networking stack...16:59
sygnousjuju has a bad link on how to set it up....16:59
sygnousI didn't think it was gonna be this insane, lol16:59
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sunusleehi jgriffith, are you here?17:18
sunusleejgriffith: hi17:18
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jgriffithsunuslee: hello17:18
jgriffithsunuslee: so... you've set up a raid17:18
jgriffithsunuslee: created an LVM Volume Group named cinder-volumes?17:18
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jgriffithsunuslee: Cinder doesn't manage your array, or create luns17:18
sunusleetruncate -s 2G vgfile;losetup -f --show vgfile ;vgcreate cinder-volumes /dev/loop0  this works17:19
jgriffithsunuslee: the default driver allocated LV's from the specified VG17:19
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sunusleebut when i turn to array, i don't know where to create vg. so i figure i must get a /dev/sd** mapped to array17:19
sunusleei can get a /dev/sdc if i use iscsiadm17:20
sunusleenow , i don't know how to do the same with iet/tgt17:20
sunusleeiet tgt seems to do the same work17:20
jgriffithsunuslee: you don't do it that way typically17:20
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jgriffithsunuslee: you need to have your array configured and attached17:20
sunusleejgriffith:  oh? then, how?17:20
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jgriffithwell, I can't really help you with managing your array17:21
sunusleejgriffith:  yeah, how to get the array attached ? if i use iscsiadm, i get use it17:21
jgriffithsunuslee: I can help you with Cinder once you have your array configured and attached to the cinder node17:21
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jgriffithsunuslee: then do that :)  That piece has nothing to do with Cidner17:21
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sunusleejgriffith: you mean, use iscsiadm to make array attach to the server?17:22
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sunusleejgriffith:  i am a little confused about the role iscsiadm / iet are playing17:23
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jgriffithsunuslee: so the way cinder works in the default LVM implementation is like this:17:23
jgriffithsunuslee: You attach some raw disk to your cinder node17:23
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jgriffithsunuslee: that can be local disk (preferred)17:23
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jgriffithsunuslee: You create a VolumeGroup on that space called cinder-volumes17:24
jgriffithsunuslee: as far as iet an tgt from Cinder17:24
jgriffiththat's just turning the local LVM file into an iscsi target so that it can be attached to compute nodes17:24
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sunusleejgriffith: ok , now. i got the arrary attached17:26
sunusleejgriffith:  and i got a /dev/sdc17:26
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jgriffithsunuslee: so now all you need to do is like you did with the loopback17:27
sunusleejgriffith:  now, i do ietadm --op new --tid 1 --lun=0 --params Path=/dev/sdc17:27
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sunusleejgriffith:  is the ietadm --op new --tid 1 --lun=0 --params Path=/dev/sdc necessary?17:27
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jgriffithnope, not if you have your array attached and a local *disk*17:27
sunusleejgriffith:  and i don't need to mount it either?17:28
jgriffithsunuslee: nope17:29
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jgriffithsunuslee: create a PV off of the dev file17:29
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jgriffithsunuslee: then a vg off of the PV17:29
jgriffithand you're done17:29
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sygnouswanna get the netapp integration working with cinder... that should be cool17:30
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sunusleevgscan and pvscan looks fine17:30
sunusleejgriffith:  now, cinder create —display_name test 2   , then cinder list show error17:31
sunusleejgriffith: instead of available17:31
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sunusleecinder-scheuler.log says NoValidHost: No valid host was found. Is the appropriate service running?17:31
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jgriffithsunuslee: that typically means you don't have the volume-group name set correctly17:42
jgriffithor you're out of space :)17:42
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sunusleejgriffith:  i have17:42
dragondmthe formatting would happen as it's posted to atomhopper. the atom format has content-type attrib on the content tag.17:42
sunusleevgscan shows Found volume group "cinder-volumes" using metadata type lvm217:43
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sunusleejgriffith:   pv scan :   PV /dev/sdc   VG cinder-volumes   lvm2 [7.28 TiB / 7.28 TiB free]17:44
sunuslee  Total: 1 [7.28 TiB] / in use: 1 [7.28 TiB] / in no VG: 0 [0   ]17:44
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mgwwith quantum vlan, can I control the vlan tag used for different tenants?18:19
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ChocoboDoes anyone know where this document went?  http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-block-storage/admin/openstack-ops/content/storage_decision.html18:58
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NuxRoChocobo: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/storage_decision.html18:59
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ChocoboNuxRo: Thanks.  Man, figuring out storage for cinder is proving complicated.19:00
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ChocoboCeph is not ready for production?19:25
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hufmani have a question about nova-compute, it seems to sometimes fail to start new virtual machines19:44
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hufmanand i've narrowed it down through the logs to the glanceclient19:45
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hufmanFile "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/glanceclient/common/http.py", line 48, in <module>19:46
hufman  GreenSocket.getsockopt = utils.getsockopt19:47
hufmanAttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'getsockopt'19:47
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hufmanhowever, i see that that file is importing the glanceclient/common/utils module, and there is in fact a getsockopt in there19:47
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smosersdague, "Re: [Openstack] Getting DevStack networking working"19:55
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smoseris that not https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910619 ?19:55
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sdaguesmoser: it's probably that19:55
smoser12.04 should have that fixed as of 05-3119:56
smoserhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp (expand the 'Precise updates' ticky thingy) and you'll see19:56
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smoserInclude patch from RedHat/Fedora to deal with hardware/xen/virtio offload of UDP checksums. (LP: #930962)19:57
sdaguesmoser: you have to set MULTI_HOST=yes19:57
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sdaguewhich is default no right now19:57
smoserbut you shoudnt have to.19:57
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sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/18336/4/nova/network/linux_net.py L87419:58
sdagueit's all behind that config variable19:58
sdagueif the answer is we should just default that on all the time in devstack, that's fine19:59
sdaguebut that hasn't been what we're doing19:59
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sdagueanyway, I've got to drop, back on in a couple hours if you are still around20:00
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smosersdague, but you shouldnt need to add the rule any more.20:01
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smoserbecause you only had to add the rule because isc-dhcp was complaining about checksums. and that is now fixed.20:01
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smoserhm.. i think i'm wrong.20:06
smoserthis problem specifically is manifests in the guests do not get an IP address.20:07
smoser(because dhcp fails).20:07
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mgwwith quantum, how do I add a port on the (virtual) router that is accessible from the compute node?21:00
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mgwI can ping from one instance to another, but can't get to the instances from the outside network21:03
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[caveman]I appear to be hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantum/+bug/1092763  has anyone seen a fix?21:27
swift-indiahi all21:28
[caveman]I get "Cannot find device" errors in the l3-agent log and nothing seems to fix it, including blowing away the quantum config rebooting and setting everything up from scratch21:28
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swift-indiai need help on upgrading swift from 1.5.0 to 1.8.021:29
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notmynameswift-india: that's quite a jump ;-)21:29
swift-indiahey21:29
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swift-indiayeah,  struggling a lot21:30
notmynameswift-india: study the release notes. it describes the changes that have been made that require careful attention21:30
swift-indiahttps://answers.launchpad.net/swift/+question/23015221:30
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swift-indianotmyname: i have gone through them,  even i have our last chat regarding this, but, it's not happening21:30
swift-indianotmyname : i'll tell you exactly what I did21:31
swift-indianotmyname: upgrade to 1.6.0 first, first on all storage nodes,  then on proxy node21:31
swift-indianotmyname: i lose my existig data accessibility21:32
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swift-indianotmyname: my data disappears :(21:32
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notmyname swift-india: (based on your LP question) did you recreate your rings from scratch? that won't delete the data, but it will cause you to lose availability for a while21:33
swift-indianotmyname: so, no question on moving ahead for 1.7.0 or 1.8.021:33
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swift-indianotmyname: nope,  i did this without touching the ring files21:33
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swift-indianotmyname : even tried recreating ring files also,  but,  i didn't get the data back21:35
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notmynameswift-india: the jumps you should look at are 1.5.0, 1.6.0, 1.7.4, and 1.8.021:37
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swift-indianotmyname: yeah, but from 1.5.0 to 1.6.0 my data disappears :(21:38
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notmynameswift-india: what do you mean by disappears?21:39
swift-indianotmyname: i am able to login using .super_admin,  but no directories,  even swauth token directories are not present21:40
swift-indiaafter upgrade from 1.5.0 to 1.6.021:40
swift-indianotmyname: my swauth version is 1.0.5, i also tried with 1.0.6,  but same result21:40
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notmynameswift-india: by "login" you mean you can get a token? but you can only get a token for the super admin user?21:41
swift-indianotmyname: i use cyberduck to login21:41
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swift-indiait allows me to login using .super_admin creds21:42
notmynameah21:42
swift-indianotmyname: even swauth-list does not show me my old accounts21:42
mgwwith quantum, how do I add a port on the (virtual) router that is accessible from the compute node?21:42
notmynamefor the purposes of an upgrade, I'd suggest staying as low-level as possible so that you can get a fine-grained view of what's going on21:43
notmynameswift-india: I do not see anything in the 1.6.0 changelog notes that would suggest a major issue. the biggest things in that release were moving the client tools to a separate repo21:44
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swift-indianotmyname: another big confusion is with swauth versions, i mean, what versions of swift goes with what versions of swauth,  really difficult to figure out21:45
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swift-indianotmyname: i have tried upgrading many times in last 2 days, but am stuck with the first version upgrade only, i.e., 1.5.0 to 1.6.021:46
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notmynameswift-india: for the swauth-specific questions, you should probably try to contact the author himself. I know he tries to keep it up-to-date with Swift, but I don't know the version history well enough to tell you which version to use with which swift version21:49
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notmynameswift-india: what does your deployment look like? I'm assuming you are trying to upgrade a test cluster before doing your prod cluster. Are you running all of the services on one node? separating it out?21:51
swift-indianope, its a replica of prod setup21:51
swift-indiai mean, multinode21:51
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notmynameok21:52
swift-indianotmyname: 5 storage nodes, 1 proxy node21:52
notmynameswift-india: ok21:52
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notmynameswift-india: and it seems you can get back to a working 1.5.0 setup, right?21:52
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swift-indianotmyname: i didn't tried downgrading it, so not sure if my old data becomes available after downgrading21:53
notmynameswift-india: or even a re-install to match your prod setup21:54
swift-indianotmyname: yeah,  that has happened many time in last 2 days :)21:54
notmynameswift-india: did you do a full upgrade of all the servers and that's when you had problems?21:54
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notmynameswift-india: I'd recommend finding an object that lives on storage server A, then upgrade that server and that server alone. can you still access that object (ie make sure that server is still playing nice in the cluster)21:55
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notmynameswift-india: next, after server A is upgraded and still working, upgrade the rest of your storage nodes21:55
swift-indianotmyname: nope, even after upgrading storage nodes to 1.6.0 and starting the services on them and the proxy having 1.5.0,  the data became unavailable21:55
swift-indianotmyname: then i thought, may be upgrading proxy will do it,  but same behaviour21:56
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swift-indianotmyname: i mean, after proxy upgrading to 1.6.0 also, the data couldn't be accessed21:57
notmynameswift-india: random thought: are you rebooting the servers when you upgrade them?21:57
swift-indianotmyname: nope, should I ?21:57
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swift-indianotmyname: i just stop rsync and do swift-init all stop, then upgrade and then restart the services21:58
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notmynameswift-india: no, not unless you are upgrading system packages (eg the kernel) too. I was thinking perhaps you aren't mounting the drives by uuid or label and then the reboot is shuffling them21:58
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swift-indianotmyname: oh.  ok21:59
notmynameswift-india: do you see any errors in the logs on the storage servers when you upgrade?22:00
swift-indianotmyname: not a single error22:00
notmynameswift-india: are there requests still going to that upgraded server?22:01
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swift-indianotmyname: i did checked after upgrading all 5 nodes,  didn't checked one by one :(22:02
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notmynameswift-india: ok. try to upgrade just one server and then verify it still works with the rest of the cluster still at 1.522:03
swift-indianotmyname: the requests were reaching proxy, not beyond that22:03
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swift-indiaok22:03
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swift-indianotmyname: i see a strange error on proxy node22:03
swift-indianotmyname: lemme show it to you22:04
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swift-indiaPaste #3809822:05
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swift-indianotmyname: Paste #3809822:06
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notmynamelink?22:07
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swift-indianotmyname: http://paste.openstack.org/show/38099/22:10
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notmynameswift-india: looks like swauth is looking for a container metadata key that it's not finding22:13
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swift-indianotmyname: what could be the reason ?22:16
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mgwso… I figured out why I couldn't ping instances from within the compute node — namespaces22:17
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lifelessmgw: you're using quantum ?22:17
mgwlifeless: yes22:17
lifelessmgw: if so yeah, you need to ip netns exec everything22:17
notmynameswift-india: it looks like that's on a PUT request to /auth/v1/account5/account5. The "v2" in that request is curious to me. I'm not sure if it's right (but I'm not sure that it's wrong either)22:17
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mgwfinally figured that out, lifeless :-)22:18
mgwI"m working on a single node on EC222:18
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mgwMy next challenge is getting my router set up for external network access.22:18
mgwany suggestions, ideas?22:18
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swift-indianotmyname: to my knowledge, v2 comes when there is a swauth request22:23
fweekyHi there! Very strange issue with cinder's rootwrap, log here http://paste.openstack.org/show/38101/ - I've searched but could only find one other person with the issue, who dropped in to this very channel and was told to check configs with those in the repos. I have done, the configs exactly match those in stable grizzly. Any ideas? :)22:23
notmynameswift-india: ah. ok. It's been a _long_ time since I've used swauth22:24
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trevorgfrancisCan KVM handle successfully managing a 64-core host machine? Is that too many cores for a host?22:32
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timberbeeI have a very newbie question about adding a compute node, Is there a better channel than this?22:33
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swift-indianotmyname: i am trying to put it to old version (1.5.0), and then just upgrade only one storage node, let me check if it gets the requests22:35
notmynameok, cool22:36
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timberbeeif I am configuring a two bare metal node configuration do I have to change both the answer files to reflect the internal ip addr changes??22:36
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swift-indianotmyname: yes, the upgraded storage server receives the data23:11
notmynameswift-india: and does it respond with a 2xx?23:12
notmynameswift-india: also, check to make sure that replication is not throwing any errors23:12
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swift-india201 status23:13
swift-indialemme chech rsync logs23:13
notmynameswift-india: great. after that, check to make sure GETs work too23:13
fweekyAnybody got any ideas regarding this issue with cinder's rootwrap http://paste.openstack.org/show/38101/ ?23:14
notmynameswift-india: protip, if you set "X-Newest: true" in your GET request, the proxy will query all of the replicas for the data (you'll have to construct the request yourself instead of using cyberduck for this)23:14
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swift-indianotmyname: sure23:15
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[caveman]can someone explain how the interfaces get created when adding a gateway to a router?23:18
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Egyptian[Laptop]how do i migrate my VMs to openstack?23:22
Egyptian[Laptop]i currently have 10 and need to move them to the openstack host23:22
swift-indianotmyname: it is getting too23:23
swift-indiastatus 20023:23
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swift-indianotmyname: lemme upgrade other nodes one by one and test this for each node23:24
fweekyEgyptian[Laptop]: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-image/content/ch_openstack_images.html23:26
Egyptian[Laptop]fweeky: reading ..thx23:26
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Egyptian[Laptop]fweeky: that still doesnt answer my question .. how do i import my running guests from a kvm environment into openstack23:31
Egyptian[Laptop]?23:31
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fweekyI don't think you can import them while running23:32
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fweekyYou should probably create copies of their disks that conform to the requirements in the URL I gave you, then import them as images.23:33
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fweekyStore variable files like logs and data in volumes you create for that purpose.23:33
Egyptian[Laptop]fweeky: so there is no "backward" compatibility with other virtualisaiton software?23:34
fweekyNot as far as I know - OpenStack isn't really 'virtualization software', it's a cloud platform.23:35
fweekyIf you want something like OpenStack but focused on VM management instead of cloud management, I'd suggest Archipel.23:35
fweekyThe whole point of 'cloud' as opposed to the typical VM infrastructure is that you can spin new instances whenever you want, and all the resources are abstracted into separate categories (storage/computation/network).23:36
fweekySo to migrate your typical VMs to the 'cloud', you'd be best off turning them into templates that you can very quickly create/recover/destroy as you require.23:37
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Egyptian[Laptop]fweeky: but if you got a ready built infrastructure with authentication and provisioning as well as your application servers .. and you want to move to openstack .. then ... what?23:37
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Egyptian[Laptop]rebuild everything?23:38
fweekyPretty much.23:38
Egyptian[Laptop]grrrr .. not nice23:38
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fweekyThe good news is that by rebuilding everything you offset the work to the OpenStack devs, so you don't need to maintain your own provisioning system :)23:39
fweekySo it does pay off, in the long run.23:39
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Egyptian[Laptop]it just makes the first step difficult23:54
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