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| ArchNemesis | is it just me, or do the docs seem a bit vague? | 00:32 |
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| ArchNemesis | are these variables suppose to be edited, ADMIN_PASSWORD=${ADMIN_PASSWORD:-password} that seems werid to me, (variable on top of a variable) however, i think i'm having a further underlying issue when i run that bash script (keystone) when following the controller node setup guide i get a buch of connection refused errors | 02:47 |
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| waiter | how can I learn to debug openstack and fix some patch | 08:43 |
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| waiter | how can I dubug openstack and trying to fix a bug | 08:50 |
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| hategrin | 'ello, quick question about Nova (i'm just beginning OpenStack research), I can't seem to find the answer anywhere off Google. Does OpenStack have something like MapReduce that allows for distributed parallel processing of a problem? | 08:53 |
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| hategrin | to put it another way, i come from a C programming background, I understand how MapReduce works on a high level, but I don't see how OpenStack allows parallel/distributed computing. My main interest is in application development. | 08:55 |
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| hategrin | or maybe i'm viewing open-stack wrong, and it's just a "management" type of software, not a cloud-cluster framework like Hadoop | 09:00 |
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| hategrin | that is, i'd have to manually code any parallelization w/ python (i'm sure there is a lib for that) or find a scheduler? | 09:01 |
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| bradm | hategrin: openstack is more like Amazon EC2, it gives you a virtual machine to run things on. | 09:06 |
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| bradm | hategrin: you could run hadoop on openstack, for example. | 09:09 |
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| hategrin | that's what i'm finding confusing, you could effectively run hadoop on a vm made up of 3 computers? | 09:10 |
| hategrin | so no more need for map/reduce? Just make a vm out of 3x 8 core cpus and have an effective 24 core thing? (seems impossible) | 09:11 |
| bradm | er, no | 09:11 |
| bradm | you can only run virtual machines as big as the compute nodes you have running nova | 09:11 |
| bradm | you can't combine them | 09:11 |
| hategrin | i'm guessing standard development env is more like, running multiple instances of a script, not massive parallization fo an algorithm | 09:12 |
| bradm | so you can scale things horizontally with it, not vertically | 09:12 |
| ArchNemesis | anyone have any suggestions for an open source billing platform for openstack | 09:12 |
| lifeless | hategrin: the benefits the vm model brings are easy commissioning/removal of nodes from the cluster | 09:12 |
| lifeless | ArchNemesis: billingstack perhaps ? | 09:13 |
| ArchNemesis | is that part of the core project | 09:13 |
| lifeless | hategrin: because vm's are isolated from underlying hardware quirks | 09:13 |
| ArchNemesis | or 3rd party | 09:13 |
| hategrin | i seee, so openstack is more about hardware management | 09:13 |
| bradm | hategrin: I've heard openstack referred to as API driven virtual machines | 09:13 |
| hategrin | completely different problem-domain from hadoop then | 09:13 |
| bradm | hategrin: so you can scale things up by adding more machines to it using an API | 09:13 |
| lifeless | hategrin: are you familiar with EC2? | 09:13 |
| bradm | hategrin: http://www.openstack.org/summit/portland-2013/session-videos/presentation/apache-hadoop-on-openstack - talks about hadoop on openstack | 09:14 |
| hategrin | i haven't had the privilege of getting my hands on EC2 =( | 09:14 |
| lifeless | ArchNemesis: it's a related project, which means it wants to be core eventually | 09:14 |
| lifeless | hategrin: ah, I was going to use an analogy ;). | 09:14 |
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| bradm | lifeless: one I'd already used, albeit poorly :) | 09:14 |
| hategrin | let me watch this video before I make an even bigger fool of myself xD | 09:15 |
| lifeless | bradm: :) and oh hai :) | 09:15 |
| bradm | hategrin: trying to understand something doesn't make you a fool | 09:15 |
| hategrin | thx brad, good to see the community is "newb" friendly | 09:16 |
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| bradm | hategrin: you probably understand hadoop much better than I, I've never run it | 09:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hategrin, hi | 09:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | here is a small screen cast of the Phase 1 of Savanna project - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUt2gqGHcPg | 09:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and here is our roadmap - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Roadmap | 09:20 |
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| hategrin | it (the map/reduce framework) is just a way to implement massive parallel computing. Hadoop has some filesystem features but I haven't used that much. so, say you had a dozen quad cores, you could put 48 CPUs to work on a job, Hadoop would schedule/distribute the work. | 09:22 |
| hategrin | support is all the way down to the language level, how you write your programs | 09:23 |
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| hategrin | say you were writing a game, Hadoop could supply the shared state between all your clients. Not sureyou could do that with OpenStack, it seems openstack would just fire up more VMs and fire up more instances of a script (no shared state). Not to over-simply their differences, just how they relate to my specific problem. | 09:26 |
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| bradm | hategrin: as SergeyLukjanov said, have a look at his links, that talks about the Hadoop Openstack project, I wasn't aware of it | 09:27 |
| bradm | there's so many different openstack projects now | 09:27 |
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| hategrin | will do, thx SergeyLukjanov | 09:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hategrin, you're welcome, if you'll have any questions about Savanna, just ping me here or by email (slukjanov@mirantis.com) | 09:30 |
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| lifeless | hategrin: so - OpenStack is a very broad project, its an implementation of many - and a growing count - of cloud APIs | 09:31 |
| lifeless | hategrin: so you can use an API to get access to compute, or storage, or custom networking, or block storage etc. | 09:31 |
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| lifeless | hategrin: if you are the person/team *deploying* OpenStack, you obviously need real hardware, in volume, to run it on. | 09:31 |
| lifeless | hategrin: but as a user, you just call the API to get another virtual machine, or another networkm etc. | 09:32 |
| hategrin | what about parallel computing? i guess that's what savannah is about? (hadoop is filling that role?) | 09:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Savanna is something like elastic hadoop on openstack | 09:33 |
| hategrin | say you had two compute nodes.... you wanted to use both of them to solve a scientific problem | 09:33 |
| lifeless | right, so the savanna project is about deploying hadoop as a tenant in an OpenStack cloud | 09:33 |
| lifeless | in particular a 'bare metal' cloud, which is one that runs without a hypervisor, so you have no virtualisation overhead. | 09:33 |
| lifeless | SergeyLukjanov: ^ I do have that detail right? | 09:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | lifeless, Savanna deploys Hadoop clusters at VMs, but we are planning to support bare metal provisioning too | 09:36 |
| hategrin | i guess with openstack alone, say you had two compute nodes, it's up to the developer to get them to "play together" | 09:36 |
| lifeless | hategrin: if you had two compute nodes, you're probably not looking at massively parallel workloads | 09:37 |
| lifeless | hategrin: more likely you're looking at datacentre consolidation - taking 10 or 20 separate small machines and consolidating them as VM's on the two compute nodes. | 09:37 |
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| lifeless | hategrin: but yes, OpenStack is very much at the low level plumbing layer - tools like hadoop are the next layer up | 09:38 |
| hategrin | what i mean is, are we to the point where we can make a VM out of say, 20 different hardware machines, and "treat it like" a single piece of hardware | 09:38 |
| lifeless | hategrin: no, not at all. | 09:39 |
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| lifeless | hategrin: You could certainly make one large vm on each hardware machine, and then use a clustering system like beowulf or whatever is the rate these days on top of that. | 09:40 |
| hategrin | ahh i see, this video SergeyLukjanov posted is a huge help, watching him go through the web-menu, explains a lot | 09:42 |
| hategrin | "elasticity" seems openstack's main feature | 09:44 |
| hategrin | i really like the object file system too | 09:44 |
| hategrin | dunno why I don't feel to great about HDFS, would much prefer a object "filesystem" of managed block filesystems | 09:45 |
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| hategrin | Anyway, will be going now, thanks for the awesome support. Glad to see the open source community (at least this one) doesn't lean towards newb-trolling. Will come again I'm sure. adios | 09:47 |
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| ArchNemesis | can someone point me in the right direction for getting a host (compute) node added to the controller | 10:55 |
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| lifeless | ArchNemesis: they self register | 11:04 |
| lifeless | ArchNemesis: jsut configure them with the right config, and its done. | 11:04 |
| ArchNemesis | well its registered on the controller, as i can pull info from the api from the compute node | 11:05 |
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| ArchNemesis | but when i run nova host-list it shows nothing | 11:05 |
| ArchNemesis | or rather it shows only the controller node | 11:06 |
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| nymous | heya people | 13:56 |
| nymous | i need a suggestion on quantum setup | 13:56 |
| nymous | i'm trying to do all things right, but can't figure out the l3 agent installation | 13:56 |
| nymous | i have 3 eth ifaces on each node, eth0 - public (internet) with dedicated ip address, eth1 - management, eth2 - data | 13:57 |
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| nymous | so, there to attach the br-ex bridge? | 13:58 |
| nymous | docs says it should be public network, but it shouldn't have an ip installed... but i'll lose connection to my nodes in that case | 13:59 |
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| universe42 | anyone do hourly consulting work in here for troubleshooting openstack configurations? pm me | 15:54 |
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| Jd1417 | ------------ | 16:28 |
| Jd1417 | having problem with puppet-openstack | 16:28 |
| Jd1417 | when trying to puppet agent --test | 16:28 |
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| Jd1417 | Error: cloud not retrieve catalog from remote server: Error 400 on SERVER: Duplicate declartion: Database_user[@localhost] is already declared in file /etc/puppet/modules/mysql/manifests/server/account/security.pp at line 13; cannot redeclare on node localhost.localdomain | 16:29 |
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| EmilienM | Jd1417: I suggest you asking support on #puppet-openstack (freenode) | 17:04 |
| bfirsh | is it possible to do port NAT with quantum? e.g. forward a specific TCP port on a floating IP to a specific port on an internal IP rather than allocate it an entire floating IP | 17:06 |
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| ArchNemesis | so i have a controller node setup and a compute node setup, they appear to be connected to each other because i can run nova commands on the compute node and it will return data from the controller node, but whats not working is, the controller doesn't know there is a compute node e.g no where to deploy a instance any ideas? | 23:02 |
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