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MrHellHi guys, is there anyone who has good knowledge about quantum and how to set it up in a multi-host environment? we are having some troubles getting it to work.00:12
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vicethalNova/Quantum question: How can I get instances to pull IP addresses from my local DHCP server? I can't figure out how to give a Quantum network access to the internet.00:40
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koolhead17vicethal, see if the question is already answered on ask.openstack.org if not please post it, even i would like answer of this one. :)00:48
vicethalKoolhead17: I posted my Q on ask a few hours ago at https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/3931/vms-have-no-lan-or-internet-access/00:49
koolhead17vicethal, thanks. am sure someone will answer it00:50
vicethalkoolhead17: Did you follow a guide or something? If we can't get an expert's input, maybe we can at least collaborate00:50
koolhead17vicethal, i used official guide last time i worked on.00:53
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vicethalNova/Quantum question: How can I get instances to pull IP addresses from my local DHCP server? I can't figure out how to give a Quantum network access to the internet. In depth info at https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/3931/vms-have-no-lan-or-internet-access/03:07
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muralikashyapHi I have query regarding assining of CPU's to guest VM. Can someone please help me out with it07:30
muralikashyapI have a system with 4 sockets , 10 cores for each sockets , 2 hyperthreads for each core07:30
muralikashyapso i have around 80 CPU's to allocate.. in nova.conf i have kept cpu_allocation_ratio to 1.007:31
muralikashyapThis way i expected a cpu that is already allocated would not be allcoated to anyone else07:31
muralikashyapbut when i check virsh vcpuinfo <domain id>07:32
muralikashyapi see that CPU's are being resued07:32
muralikashyapstack@ubuntu-ucs-3:/opt$ virsh vcpuinfo 8 VCPU:           0 CPU:            7 State:          running CPU time:       40.2s CPU Affinity:   yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  VCPU:           1 CPU:            34 State:          running CPU Affinity:   yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy07:32
muralikashyapstack@ubuntu-ucs-3:/opt$ virsh vcpuinfo 4 VCPU:           0 CPU:            31 State:          running CPU time:       108.5s CPU Affinity:   yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  VCPU:           1 CPU:            7 State:          running CPU Affinity:   yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy07:33
muralikashyapas you see CPU '7' is allocated to domains 4 and 807:33
muralikashyapi want to allocate a CPU only to one domain.. what is that i should be doing to acheive this ?07:33
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Madkisshas anyone had success in setting up Swift+SSL?08:54
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vicethalNova/Quantum question: How can I get instances to pull IP addresses from my local DHCP server? I can't figure out how to give a Quantum network access to the internet. In depth info at https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/3931/vms-have-no-lan-or-internet-access/13:01
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teknomegafor my Cinder configuration should i be using Hardware RAID or does it have a built in "Replication / RAID"15:39
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vicethalNova/Quantum question: How can I get instances to pull IP addresses from my local DHCP server? I can't figure out how to give a Quantum network access to the internet. In depth info at https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/3931/vms-have-no-lan-or-internet-access/15:55
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ekarlso-vicethal: I think you need to do a provider network or smth15:57
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vicethalekarlso-: have any resources you could point me towards? I've never heard of a provider network outside of the medical insurance usage16:02
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ekarlso-i'm sorry vicethal i a a bit rusty with quantum / neutron atm16:03
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notmynameMadkiss: still have questions about swift + ssl?16:29
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Madkissnotmyname: yes.16:40
notmynameMadkiss: what's up?16:40
Madkissnotmyname: well, rather about keystone+ssl right now.16:40
notmynameah. not my area of expertise16:40
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Madkisshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/121095916:41
Madkissfor your amusement.16:41
notmynamebut go ahead and ask, and if someone can answer, then hopefully they will see it16:41
Madkissam I right to assume that I need haproxy+ssl and keystone+ssl to have ssl-enabled Swift? :)16:41
Madkissbecause in my unerstanding, swift itself does not implement SSL properly for numerous reasons.16:41
notmynameMadkiss: because of https://github.com/notmyname/ssl_eventlet_slowloris (not a swift issue, rather eventlet + python)16:43
notmynameMadkiss: aren't wildcard certs only valid for one level?16:43
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notmynameI don't know how keystone is doing cert validation, so I can't help there16:44
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notmynameMadkiss: normally, I recommend that people use something like, pound, stud, stunnel, haproxy, or some commercial SSL terminator to use ssl with swift. half the time, deployers combine it with their load balancer16:46
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notmynameI'd assume that method works with keystone too, but that's just an assumption16:48
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puzzolok pple. Kvm or xenserver for virtualization? Openstack will not run on a single machine unless you use xen18:32
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Apsupuzzolo: Wat? Openstack will run on a single machine with kvm.18:33
puzzolomhm controller network and compute18:33
puzzoloalltogether?18:33
ApsuYep.18:34
puzzolohow? Is there a guide I can use? I'm quite on production18:34
puzzoloi've seen devstack does that but for development18:34
ApsuUhm... there's lots of options, but... nothing in particular precludes you from combining the packaged pieces on a single box for a given platform.18:35
puzzolo*you'd suggest kvm over xenserver?*18:35
ApsuI personally would, yes. By far.18:35
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puzzoloI've tried deploying all in one. But i managed to install only controller and network in the same machine, following the guide from openstack for ubuntu 12 lts18:38
puzzoloWhile on xenserver single machine configuration seems pretty straight.18:39
ApsuWhy do you believe kvm would be any different?18:40
puzzolowell, the xenserver approach uses a vm for controller18:40
ApsuThe services can all coexist with no problem.18:40
puzzoloon bare metal you say?18:41
puzzolothere must be something i am missing18:41
ApsuSure. They work fine together.18:42
ApsuYou'll need to provide more details about problems you're encountering... when you encounter them18:42
ApsuLogs, errors, pastes of config files, etc18:42
puzzolosure. Most comes from the openstack documentations, where it goes configuring network18:43
puzzoloassuming 3 different machines insted of a single one. There i've lost my mind18:44
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puzzoloApsu: i see that  OS approach may very as well18:45
puzzoloi use ubuntu 12.04, but i see pple using stackops or rackspace stuff18:45
puzzolovary*18:45
ApsuI'm on the Rackspace private cloud team, so I'm partial to our Chef cookbooks18:46
ApsuBut that's really just to help automate and simplify configuring all the bits18:46
puzzoloApsu: enterprice stuff, I guess.18:46
vicethaloh snap, that's awesome18:47
puzzolosure it is18:47
Apsupuzzolo: Sure, but I also spin up test VMs all the time.18:47
ApsuAnd install OS inside of them, with KVM nested virt18:47
puzzoloso that's the way to have all bits going?18:48
puzzolokvm nested "bike on a bike"?18:48
Apsupuzzolo: Helps a lot to use a config management system.18:48
Apsupuzzolo: I make VMs on my laptop, using KVM. My laptop runs Linux, so it's quite easy.18:49
ApsuThen those VMs I install openstack on, and KVM nesting lets me use KVM inside, to spin up inner VMs without much performance loss.18:49
puzzolowait a sec.18:50
puzzolouse vm having vm inside them?18:50
ApsuMmhmm.18:50
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ApsuCan do independent nodes or an all-in-one18:50
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puzzolook. For all-in-one i need kvm nested for running vm inside vm18:51
puzzoloand having so.. a compute under kvm, with netsted18:51
puzzolonested*18:52
puzzoloam i right?18:52
ApsuWell, you don't Have to do that. Though without nested virt, your inner VMs will be dog slow :P18:52
ApsuXen can nest too. So can VMWare.18:52
puzzoloone question. Is it a bike on a bike, or just a bike?18:52
puzzoloi mean, when it comes to performance, netsted virt is somewhat less then virt?18:52
ApsuThere's a small overhead, but it's vastly less than without hardware virt support on the inner VMs.18:53
puzzolook one last question. Having two openstack nodes, can i relay only on openstack for backup/redundancy18:55
puzzoloor still I have to stay with raid1, and backups..18:55
puzzolo?18:55
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Apsupuzzolo: With respect to what? Service availability? Running VMs?18:56
puzzoloservice availability18:57
puzzoloand data loss18:57
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ApsuAvailability can be achieved by setting up an HA system of your choosing for the services, such as haproxy18:58
ApsuData loss recovery would require automated replication/backups or a shared storage system.18:58
ApsuThe latter case can be achieved through Cinder18:58
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puzzolok you've been pretty helpful18:59
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puzzolothank you for your help, I'm givin it a second shot18:59
ApsuSure. Good luck.18:59
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vicethalNova/Quantum question: How can I get instances to pull IP addresses from my local DHCP server? I can't figure out how to give a Quantum network access to the internet. My latest lead is setting up a "Provider network", but VM network interfaces are down. In depth info at https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/3931/vms-have-no-lan-or-internet-access/20:59
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jproulxvicethal: silly question but is eth1 up (should be up with no IP)21:22
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vicethaljproulx: yes, that's the story. The problem is that Quantum is showing that the port is down, I was under the impression that the VM should be able to communicate via the Nova node's br100.21:24
jproulxalso the config you posted is for nova-networking which is a different way of providing what  quantum/neutron does, if you have other parts of your config telling it to use quantum stuff I'm not sure what will happen (I'm much more familiar with nova-network btw)21:25
jproulxdo 'ifconfig eth1 up' on the physical host see what that gets you21:25
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vicethaleth1 is up with no IP. br100 is up... with an IP address. Which seems wrong, but maybe not.21:27
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vicethalLooking at this doc (http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/provider_api_workflow.html) I feel that I need to set up a flat network provider, which I was trying to do with nova network. I am not sure how to get my phys-net-name out of linux bridge21:29
jproulxI think you're pulling in two different directions.21:29
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vicethalI sort of don't know what I'm doing, but it's all black magic until I can actually get it working and then tinker with it. I just can't really start learning to be a mechanic on a broken-down car, you know?21:30
jproulxI'm having the same problem as you with quantum, but the configs you posted are almost exactly what I've been running on 60 physical nodes for the past year with nova-network21:30
jproulxcan you paste up your nova.conf - less any passwords - somewhere?21:31
jproulxI suspect if you take out the quantum bits you can get to where you need for a simple proof of concept / testing system21:31
vicethalFull nova.conf is inside http://pastebin.com/tm2jTfXy21:32
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jproulxHere's my suggestion: http://pastebin.com/Tr7SHNT021:36
jproulxwhich essentially tells nova to use it's simpler internal stuff rather than the new fancy quantum stuff21:36
jproulxI *need* to figure out the new fancy quantum stuff to provide pluggable access to legacy vlans, but for a demo system you can probably get by without it21:38
jproulx(note I've been using the FlatDHCP rather than just Flat, but I'm pretty sure the config is the same)21:39
vicethaljust literally comment out the quantum stuff, and nova uses the simpler fallback...21:39
jproulxwell you already had the nova bits configured, if you were using quantum you'd comment most of those out21:39
vicethalnova-network isn't running on my network, just restart nova and it should come to life, right? Single node, so no big worries I guess21:40
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jproulxyeh you'd need to start the nova-network service (probably may not since it's not doing dhcp, not sure) VM will survive that though21:40
jproulxrestarting nova services will disrupt the control plane (can't do API stuff) but typically don't upset running VM instances21:41
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vicethalYeah, the network stuff in Horizon seems over the top for running a flat network, do I still need to create a network and a subnet and assign VMs to it in order to receive an IP address?21:42
jproulxSo without quantum most of that doesn't show up, VMs get an interface without any extra steps though you will need to modify the security group settings which default to all closed.21:46
jproulxI've not tried to go back from quantum so not sure if Horizon discovers that, in which case 'service quantum-server stop' should make it simpler or if it gets put in as part of the quantum packages...21:47
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jproulxif you use the CLI 'nova boot --flavor <flavor> --image <image> <arbitrary-vm-name>' should get you a system with default network setup.21:49
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vicethalStopped the quantum service, got a "unable to retrieve quota information" on Horizon.21:50
jproulxif the security group is still set to everything closed it won't do much though -- which gets me to thinking that may also be your original problem21:50
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vicethalI can't even get IP addresses on my network. I have plenty of problems.21:50
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vicethalYeah, horizon is going nuts that quantum is not responding. I'm thinking fresh install (it's just a test environment), but leaving out the quantum... would that sound productive?21:52
boolmanI also have problems with quantum.. I am trying to setup a multi node openstack cluster. But the networking is a big questionmark for me21:52
jproulxYes it does, given you're in testing mode21:53
vicethalboolman: network is a big questionmark for everyone21:53
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boolmanwell anyway, by default I cannot access the instances, But if I add a IP of the same subnet as the router on eth0 on the controller node, then add a static route 10.0.0.0/24 gw <ip of router> I can ping and ssh to it21:54
jproulxnova-network is pretty simple which has pluses and minuses, but it's also not what is being developed going forward AFAIK so that's a big minus21:54
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jproulxwith quantum I've got tun devices showing up in the wrong bridge from what I want and if I move them to what I think is the right bridge (with the right tag) they work ... I'm about 40 hours in since Thursday and can't for the life of me figure out how to make it go the way I want ...21:58
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vicethalYeah, trying to retrofit the removal of quantum is not going well22:36
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vicethalit's gonna have to be a fresh install22:36
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jproulxvicethal: Mirantis has a pretty good blog on basic network setup (using nova-network) http://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-networking-single-host-flatdhcpmanager22:39
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Apsujproulx: You're having quantum troubles?22:41
jproulxyes, I think I've got my bridge mapping wrong.22:42
Apsujproulx: What do you think your setup is at present?22:43
jproulxat a higher level is it possible for compute nodes to bridge directly to an L2 provider network or does it really need to go back to the network controller?22:43
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ApsuThey absolutely can.22:44
jproulxgood :)22:44
ApsuYou using the OVS plugin agent?22:44
jproulxI am using ovs plugin22:44
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ApsuDo you have the same config in the ovs plugin agent conf on the compute nodes as on the node where quantum-server is running?22:45
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jproulxexcept that the physical ports have different names I believe so, let me diff that to be sure22:45
Apsujproulx: Show me the bridge_mappings and network_vlan_ranges lines22:46
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jproulxApsu: http://paste.openstack.org/show/43891/22:48
jproulxprovider network I'm attached to VM was created with:22:52
jproulxquantum net-create public-inet --shared --provider:network_type vlan --provider:physical_network default --provider:segmentation_id 211322:52
jproulxthe tun device on compute get attached to the "br-int" bridge, if I use ovs-vsctl by hand to put it in "trunk" it works22:54
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Apsujproulx: You're confused about what goes where, is part of the problem here.22:57
jproulxthat seems very likely.22:57
ApsuOk, so... with the OVS plugin and security groups setup through Quantum, on a compute node, you have [VM (eth0, etc..)] -> [(tap*) qbr* native bridge (qvb*)] -> [(qvo*) br-int OVS bridge (...)]23:01
ApsuThe qbr is for a place to attach iptables rules to implement security groups23:01
ApsuBut, it's entirely appropriate for the VM to be hooked into the br-int (integration bridge)23:02
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ApsuDid you add a physical interface to your br-int?23:02
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jproulxwhere does "int-eth1-br" fit in this?  That is the closest thing to a physical device on the br-int (eth1 has the connection to tagged vlans)23:04
ApsuDid you create a provider bridge? The same one you specified in bridge_mappings?23:05
ApsuI can't look at your paste this moment, so...23:05
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ApsuShow me the bridge_mappings line :P23:05
jproulxphysical_interface_mappings=trunk:eth123:06
jproulxintegration_bridge=br-int23:06
jproulxbridge_mappings=trunk:eth1-br23:06
ApsuUsing grizzly?23:07
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jproulxYes23:07
jproulxUbuntu 12.04 Grizzly from cloud archive23:07
ApsuYou don't need physical_interface_mappings. Didn't even think that was a valid flag in Grizzly...23:08
ApsuBut that said, I presume you made the OVS bridge "eth1-br"?23:08
jproulxI was thrashing there ... :)23:08
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jproulxroot@nova-0:~# ovs-vsctl list-ports eth1-br23:09
jproulxphy-eth1-br23:09
ApsuCool. So you Almost got there.23:09
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Apsuovs-vsctl add-port eth1-br eth123:09
ApsuAnd make sure eth1 is up (ip l s eth1 up)23:09
jproulxso that mapping needs to be manually set outside quantum?23:10
ApsuIf you did end up adding eth1 to another bridge (if the add-port complains), del-port it from that bridge and add-port it to eth1-br23:10
ApsuYes.23:10
ApsuOnce it's in eth1-br (the provider bridge), and eth1 is confirmed to be up23:10
jproulxYou may just be my hero, let me go try that.23:11
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ApsuThen it should just go, assuming whatever else you want to talk to is available directly on eth1. You may need to do some config on your network/controller node too, if things aren't setup right there too23:11
ApsuFor DHCP/metadata23:11
ApsuBut yeah :P23:11
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kallisti5ok.. super quick question.  two node openstack cluster.  Private network and public network. using FlatDHCP. Does nova-network need to be running on both nodes?23:16
Apsukallisti5: Are both nodes computes?23:16
kallisti5yes23:16
kallisti5one has glance compute + everything else.23:16
Apsukallisti5: Then yes, if you're using multi-host networks. Which you probably should be.23:16
kallisti5one has just compite23:16
Apsunova-networks multi-host = nova-network + metadata services on each compute23:17
kallisti5ah. ok23:17
kallisti5and network_node gets set to each local machine?23:17
ApsuYar23:18
kallisti5ok.. i did that before but had issues. At least now i know *how* it is supposed to work :D23:18
kallisti5what happens at the moment is when nova spawns a node on the other machine, it gets into a strange state23:18
ApsuYep. The point of multi-host being that no (compute) node depends on any other node for primary networking.23:18
kallisti5Apsu: if I disable multi-host... can  I get away with one network node?23:19
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ApsuSure.23:19
Apsukallisti5: Just be aware... nova-network is already actively trying to be deprecated, and the !multi-host nova-network mode is the most degenerate case of that23:20
ApsuSo... obscure, outdated, probably less tested, no one wants it, etc :P23:20
kallisti5hm23:20
kallisti5I tried quantium23:20
kallisti5it was neat... but I could *never* get it working23:21
kallisti5i tried for months23:21
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ApsuWow. That sucks :P23:21
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jproulxApsu thanks that was it!23:21
kallisti5yeah.. i installed openstack like 8 times until I finally got things working doing flat private network addresses, and public floating addresses23:21
Apsujproulx: Sweet23:22
kallisti5Apsu: plus.. #openstack gets dead at times... this is the 6th time I've asked that question :D23:22
Apsulol23:22
kallisti5Apsu: I think you're the only real openstack user :D23:22
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kallisti5Apsu: anyway, thanks :)  That helps a lot.23:23
jproulxWell it's Sunday evening USA time, shocked (and delighted) I go tan answer23:23
ApsuI need to redo my blog and start writing posts for all the stuff I've learned in Quantum the past few months23:23
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ApsuGetting it ready for Rackspace to sell/deploy, heheh23:23
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kallisti5Apsu: my biggest issue with quantium was not having a subnet23:23
kallisti5I only have 10-20 ip addresses for virtual machines, and have no control over the infrastructure23:24
kallisti5I won't go into gory details, but lets just say I had some moments when OpenStack *really* liked assigning itself the gateway IP.. oyi23:24
ApsuYou can use l3-agents with quantum routers to hook arbitrary subnets into infra subnets and manage your limited space better that way23:25
kallisti5Apsu: that was my biggest issue.. i kept getting into the l3 stuff, and really couldn't find any easy to understand documentation23:25
ApsuOr use a combination of provider networks and tenant networks, combining flat/VLAN with GRE, where the former is on the infra subnet and the latter on arbitrary tunneled subnets23:25
ApsuYeah. The docs are ... a fantastic effort23:26
ApsuAnd I don't want Anne Gentle to stab me in the parking lot one day at work, but23:26
ApsuThere need to be much more in-depth guides for some aspects23:26
kallisti5yeah, my issue is that goes beyond anything i'll ever need.  Making a small lab environment where standing up and throwing away nodes is the goal.23:26
Apsu(<3 you annegentle!)23:26
kallisti5Apsu: I understand the doc issues... that's generally the most boring aspect.23:26
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kallisti5to be honest between us... I have to use the RedHat Openstack scripts on centos23:27
jproulxwe all <3 annegentle, she does an amazing job herding the cats (but we are still cats :))23:27
kallisti5never actually gotten it working otherwise23:27
Apsukallisti5: It's not really that so much; I mean, the tech writers do that for a living. It's more about needing more raw data fed to them about the more comprehensive deeper dives23:27
ApsuHoping to get a steadyish stream of blog articles about my practical experience with OS networking config and deployments23:28
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ApsuSince I get paid to make it work e'ry day :P23:28
kallisti5Apsu: it seems like the gap at the moment is smaller deployments.. not devstack... but not amazon :P23:28
kallisti5Apsu: but i'm not complaining, it's not like I have the time to write docs.23:28
jproulxkallisti5 the small multi node set up is probably the worst yes what you just said23:28
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kallisti5I admit though, the more I learned about openstack, the more I <3'ed it.  I understand why the complexitiy is there.. I just can never seem to get all pieces aligned.23:30
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jproulxkallisti5 do you use and configuration management tools?  It really is a bit too complex to manage by hand ...23:32
kallisti5Apsu: btw, thanks for the tip on multi-node. I never really understood that (thus why things seemed to always break)23:32
Apsukallisti5: Sure.23:32
kallisti5jproulx: not really.23:32
Apsujproulx: I do. My team's chef cookbooks, mostly23:32
kallisti5jproulx: not beyond nova-manage, nova, and the web gui23:32
jproulxmy deployment is 60 physical nodes usually running 1,500 or so VMs23:32
ApsuTakes about 15 minutes or so to spin up a new cluster23:32
jproulxsweet.23:33
kallisti5Apsu: while you're online...23:33
kallisti5[root@htscloud01 ~(keystone_admin)]# nova list23:33
kallisti5[root@htscloud01 ~(keystone_admin)]#23:33
kallisti5any idea why nova doesn't list any nodes there?23:33
kallisti5I have several vm's running23:33
kallisti5:%s/nodes/vm/g23:33
Apsukallisti5: Might need to specify a different tenant.23:33
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jproulxcan also to --all-tenants23:34
jproulxif you're an 'admin'23:34
ApsuYep23:34
* kallisti5 yup23:34
kallisti5that was it.23:34
Apsu:)23:34
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kallisti5Apsu: should all the nodes share one MQ service?23:42
kallisti52013-08-11 18:40:09.613 ERROR nova.openstack.common.rpc.impl_qpid [req-1887688d-9da0-42cd-9c41-da50d295f926 acad40f4546649fb972ed2c864249a18 c8006b73f04149ddb8387be156e2d07f] Failed to publish message to topic 'compute.htscloud02': connection aborted23:42
Apsukallisti5: Yep.23:42
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kallisti5ok. woot!  I ran out of disk23:48
kallisti5wait.. wth23:48
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