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| sputnik13 | cinder question… when a volume is presented to a VM via cinder, how is it presented exactly? is it mounted on the host machine then allowed to be used by the kvm instance that's running the actual VM? Or is it presented as like an iscsi device or some other network storage protocol? | 00:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sputnik13: like... you launched an instance using that volume? | 00:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sputnik13: within a VM, the first volume appears as /dev/vda | 00:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | at least thats what i've seen | 00:14 |
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| sputnik13 | Sam-I-Am: I think what I'm curious about is, how it's presented to the host, not the VM | 01:09 |
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| sputnik13 | the VM would see it as a disk, I get that, but how does the host see it and how does KVM (not the guest VM) see it | 01:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sputnik13: i think it depends on the type of device | 01:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | block stuff seems to appear as iscsi | 01:12 |
| sputnik13 | Sam-I-Am: I see, that's what I was thinking it was | 01:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm trying to work through a bunch of volume problems on devstack now... | 01:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt | 01:13 |
| sputnik13 | are you using lvm backed cinder? | 01:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought changing from debian to ubuntu fixed all my problems, but... no | 01:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, i have a PV with a VG named stack-volumes on the box. | 01:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | it'll create a volume, but not if i try to put an image on it | 01:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | claims some sort of issue about no suitable host... as if nova is trying to find a bare metal box | 01:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | if i do a purely ramdisk cirros instance it works fine | 01:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | or cirros without a volume... just boot off the image | 01:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | but as soon as a volume gets involved that uses cinder... it fails. | 01:15 |
| sputnik13 | hmmm | 01:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i tried booting the ubuntu image without a volume and it also pukes claimg it can't find a suitable host | 01:15 |
| sputnik13 | particular reason you're using devstack? | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | first time messing with openstack... figure it would be easier to toss around | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | so far though its been kind of a pain, and most of the troubleshooting stuff applies to openstack | 01:16 |
| sputnik13 | ah, understand | 01:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | my only real gripe is every daemon logging to a screen session and not to a file... has made troubleshooting rather difficult | 01:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially since i dont always know where to look, and things have scrolled out of the screen buffer by then | 01:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i need to eat... been nerding it up on this for way too long | 01:18 |
| sputnik13 | yeah, there's a lot of services in openstack | 01:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | going on a 12 hour nerding session | 01:19 |
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| sputnik13 | as a noob to openstack I've also found it's difficult to troubleshoot because everything is distributed amongst multiple services | 01:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | the good news is i have a much better picture of openstack than i did a few days ago when i first started this project | 01:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | stuff breaking has kind of helped | 01:20 |
| sputnik13 | it would be really nice to have a single place to see all of the pertinent debug information for the system | 01:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i guess one could send all logs to syslog and let it concat them | 01:20 |
| sputnik13 | then you'd have too much data | 01:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats one of those openstack not devstack things | 01:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there is plenty of logging going on, thats for sure | 01:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially in devstack | 01:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think i've reached a good stopping point for the evening | 01:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's always monday | 01:22 |
| sputnik13 | indeed | 01:23 |
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| sputnik13 | I'm signing off as well, good luck :) | 01:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm thinking that devstack doesn't quite install everything it needs to make cinder work under certain conditions... just not sure exactly what those conditions are. something to do with images at least. | 01:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i blew up glance earlier | 01:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | sputnik13: thx for the help, later! | 01:23 |
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| xarses | did you glance at it... | 01:23 |
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| Elico | jrwren: thanks!! | 01:26 |
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| jrwren | Elico: you are welcome | 01:46 |
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| Elico | jrwren: what I do not get is how to checkout the nova version?? | 02:52 |
| Elico | git checkout XYZ?? | 02:52 |
| Elico | https://github.com/openstack/nova ? | 02:53 |
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| clarkb | Elico: released versions are tagged, you can checkout those tags | 02:54 |
| clarkb | you can also checkout the stable branches | 02:54 |
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| Elico | clarkb: I have checked out but I do not see any stack.sh .. | 02:58 |
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| clarkb | Elico: stack.sh is in devstack | 03:03 |
| clarkb | Elico: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack | 03:03 |
| Elico | OK so devstack is like head? stable? etc? I dont have a clue about it yet. | 03:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | devstack is like head, unless you change the tags | 03:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | it includes all of the components and builds a mostly working demo environment of openstack | 03:06 |
| Elico | So let say I want latest stable?? | 03:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | that would be havana | 03:06 |
| Elico | I am using u 12.04 lts for now so where do I start? | 03:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you want devstack or openstack? | 03:07 |
| Elico | I have one node.. that I want to use not just try it out.. to run VMS on.. | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/index.html | 03:09 |
| Elico | thanks!! | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | theres plenty of other stuff like it out there | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | some better, some worse... depends on your level of understanding | 03:11 |
| Elico | well since I do understand a thing or two I will see what I can dig out.,. | 03:11 |
| Elico | I have a working kvm host which is Great but I want to make a small change to what and how I manage the machines and space. | 03:12 |
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| dgbaley27 | Hey. Does Ceph replace Glance, Swift, and/or Cinder, or is it a backend for these? Also, when using Ceph, are all image/volume operations entirely over the network, or does the compute node wind up with local ephemeral copies? | 03:54 |
| koolhead17 | dgbaley27: where did you get this Does "Ceph replace Glance, Swift, and/or Cinder" | 03:54 |
| dgbaley27 | I'm asking. | 03:55 |
| dgbaley27 | Because Swift and Cinder are an object store and block store, but Ceph is also an object and block store. | 03:55 |
| dgbaley27 | So I didn't know if it acted as a direct replacement, or a backend. | 03:55 |
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| koolhead17 | dgbaley27: well its not a replacement AFIK :) | 03:56 |
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| koolhead17 | dgbaley27: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana << Has the goodness of new release :) | 03:57 |
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| Elico | I have a question which is not directly related to the channel. | 04:51 |
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| Elico | I have tried to install the stack and it seems to get stuck somewhere. | 04:51 |
| Elico | but a tiny web interface for kvm is nice.. | 04:51 |
| Elico | maybe someone have seen one of these? | 04:51 |
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| paul-- | Is anyone around to try and help me troubleshoot a quantum issue? | 06:22 |
| krypto | hi ,how can we change boot priority of instance | 06:22 |
| lifeless | paul--: maybe, but you'll need to describe the issue :( | 06:26 |
| lifeless | erm | 06:26 |
| lifeless | s/:(/:)/ | 06:26 |
| lifeless | krypto: what do you mean ? | 06:26 |
| paul-- | Basically, I'm trying to setup a proof of concept and have it all configured correctly (to my knowledge) but when I boot a VM it doesn't get an IP assigned nor is the network assigned correctly. One sec and I'll write the issue out properly :) | 06:27 |
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| krypto | i have to attach iso to my instance,how can i do that | 06:28 |
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| lifeless | krypto: oh, I'm not sure, I know some folk were interested in that | 06:31 |
| lifeless | krypto: let me see if I can google it | 06:31 |
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| lifeless | krypto: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BootFromISO seems to be what you want, but (at least as far as the wiki page says) implementation is incomplete. | 06:38 |
| lifeless | krypto: can I ask why you want to boot from an ISO ? | 06:39 |
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| krypto | lifeless:i am just comparing different stacks and i couldn't find option to attach iso,its a driver iso | 06:44 |
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| lifeless | krypto: you could just copy the contents of the iso to a volume | 06:45 |
| lifeless | krypto: or to swift | 06:45 |
| lifeless | krypto: or copy the iso into swift | 06:45 |
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| krypto | yes i agree there are many ways to do that,i couldnt find that in folsom nor in grizzly | 06:46 |
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| ekarlso | EmilienM: yo | 09:22 |
| ekarlso | you around ? | 09:22 |
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| vks | hi all | 09:56 |
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| vks | has anybody installed openstack with devstack in multinode? | 09:57 |
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| vks | ? | 10:01 |
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| krypto | hey any work in progress for xen over libvirt? | 11:38 |
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| elfelvin | Hi, what im struggling to understand is when using neutron all your internet traffic _has_ to go via the network node? So this would cause a bottleneck eventually, not to mention redundancy? | 13:54 |
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| Qlawy | elfelvin: there will be possibility to have mutli-host infrastructure like it was with nova network | 13:58 |
| Qlawy | elfelvin: it is possible to do it by yourself (i saw mail about it on openstack-dev mailling list) | 13:58 |
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| elfelvin | okay great qlawy i will have a search for it, so it is on the cards then. I was wondering how they have many compute nodes running through one network node | 14:09 |
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| Qlawy | elfelvin: just a big pipe :) | 14:10 |
| elfelvin | i guess | 14:10 |
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| rahafrouz | hi | 14:48 |
| rahafrouz | I want to make a file hosting service which it needs to host about 100 terabyte data, I'm really really confused. which platform should I use? | 14:49 |
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| rahafrouz | someone says openstack swift, someone says apache hadoop etc etc | 14:49 |
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| rahafrouz | I'm searching about 2 months but don't know where to start :( can anybody help me? | 14:50 |
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| notmyname | rahafrouz: what sort of data? what are the client app requirements (ie particular APIs or usage patterns)? | 14:52 |
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| notmyname | rahafrouz: in general, swift is good for unstructured data (eg documents, images, web content, backups, videos, etc). swift is really good at supporting large numbers of objects and large aggregate data sets, and is supports very high availability and concurrency across the entire data set (ie a client can access anything at any time and clients are accessing all of the things all the time) | 14:57 |
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| rahafrouz | notmyname: actually in our university we have a section that stores lots of pdfs, movies, sounds slides etc. another service in uni is a server of files that students donwload things like winrar etc. we want to allocate about 1gig to each user for storing files, and so other features. we have about 10,000 users | 15:01 |
| rahafrouz | I'm wondering how to store data. I want a centeralized system to handle all data in university. for example uni would provide some leech function that students download files from rapidshare for instance | 15:02 |
| dot | does anyone here have example of creating user with curl on keystone | 15:03 |
| rahafrouz | first problem is how to store this amount of data, and the second problem is which platfrom and which programming language | 15:03 |
| rahafrouz | for exmple do I need to store files in database ?? | 15:03 |
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| rahafrouz | thank you notmyname | 15:06 |
| Qlawy | dot: keystone v2 or v3? | 15:06 |
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| Qlawy | dot: anyway, use this http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-identity.html | 15:09 |
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| Qlawy | dot: curl -X POST -H "Content-type: application/json" -d "put json here" http://ip.of.keystone:5000/v3/users | 15:11 |
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| Qlawy | dot: anyway, If you have keystone cli working, just do: keystone --debug user-create blablabla and you will get whole curl command with parameters | 15:12 |
| vks | hey anyone | 15:13 |
| vks | does anyone tried to install openstack havan with devstack in multinode | 15:14 |
| vks | ??? | 15:14 |
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| dot | Qlawy: tnx | 15:16 |
| Qlawy | vks: if you want to know my opinion: devstack is shit | 15:16 |
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| vks | Qlawy : ;) | 15:16 |
| dot | Qlawy: i have version 2 tough | 15:16 |
| Qlawy | dot: not a problem, even easier ;) | 15:17 |
| vks | Qalwy: man its breaking like anything | 15:17 |
| dot | Qlawy: :) | 15:17 |
| Qlawy | vks: I can post you best how to I have ever seen for installing grizzly,even with quantum/neutron on multi node environament | 15:17 |
| Qlawy | vks: you will do it in about 2-3h | 15:18 |
| Qlawy | vks: When I tried to install devstack, I lost whole day and had no idea how to debug that crap | 15:18 |
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| vks | Qlawy: i am looking to install openstack havana to multinode | 15:18 |
| vks | but devstack is giving headache | 15:19 |
| Qlawy | vks: almost same configuration | 15:19 |
| Qlawy | vks: just newer packets | 15:19 |
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| vks | Qlawy: any installation doc? | 15:20 |
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| Qlawy | vks: https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Grizzly-Install-Guide | 15:20 |
| vks | Qlawy : so if i follow that guide, wl it be fine ??? | 15:21 |
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| Qlawy | vks: yes | 15:21 |
| Qlawy | vks: its not mine, but it works flawlessly | 15:21 |
| vks | Qlawy: In havana neutron is using openvswitch multiple table, any idea where i wl get some help to understand that | 15:22 |
| Qlawy | vks: Im affraid not :( | 15:22 |
| vks | Qlawy : :) no probs | 15:23 |
| Qlawy | vks: Im losing with neutron, it always beats me :/ | 15:23 |
| vks | Qlawy: hehe | 15:23 |
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| rahafrouz | excuse me on asking a newbiew question: how can we access files on swift? does it make a new file system ? | 15:24 |
| Qlawy | vks: anyways I hope it will help | 15:24 |
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| vks | Qlawy: sure, thnx | 15:26 |
| dot | Qlawy: do i need to set tenant for user ? | 15:27 |
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| Qlawy | dot: no | 15:30 |
| Qlawy | dot: but after creating you have to attach(?) role to user | 15:30 |
| Qlawy | dot: role in tenant ofc | 15:30 |
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| dot | Qlawy: one sec | 15:30 |
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| Qlawy | honestly, best idea to understand how use curl with it is to set --debug in cli and then run command | 15:32 |
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| dot | Qlawy: do you have a second to discuse in pvt? | 15:34 |
| Qlawy | dot: yes | 15:34 |
| dot | thank you | 15:34 |
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| dot | anyone here have experiance with curl + keystone ? | 18:52 |
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| dot | {"error": {"message": "create_user() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given)", "code": 400, "title": "Bad Request"}} http://pastebin.com/C5eSYBRL can someone help me with this | 19:31 |
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| dot | {"error": {"message": "create_user() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given)", "code": 400, "title": "Bad Request"}} http://pastebin.com/C5eSYBRL can someone help me with this | 20:13 |
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| taziopen | . | 20:18 |
| erkules | hiho some questions: I would like to manually install havana. Is there a doku? My idea is to have a/the machine the compute node and putting keystone/glance/horizon into lxc. No cinder/swift at the start. Is this a way to go? | 20:18 |
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| erkules | http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/OpenStack_Havana_Release:_High-Availability_Manual_Deployment_Guide#MySQL_WSREP_and_Galera_Installation <- Is this related to official openstack? the galera part is broken. | 20:19 |
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