| dachary | is there a way to create an availability zone other than nova aggregate-create agregate AZ ? | 00:02 |
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| * dachary reading http://russellbryantnet.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/availability-zones-and-host-aggregates-in-openstack-compute-nova/ | 00:06 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: you might be missing stuff from your api-paste | 00:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: hold on a sec | 00:21 |
| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: oh great | 00:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | i had the same problem | 00:22 |
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| KaZeR | i like "had" vs "have" :) | 00:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | so in your ovs_neutron_plugin.ini on the controller... you need to tell it what firewall driver you're using | 00:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | even though the controller technically doesnt do anything with ovs | 00:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | i THINK thats what fixed it for me | 00:25 |
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| KaZeR | ok let me double check | 00:26 |
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| KaZeR | mmm i already have firewall_driver = neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver | 00:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | not commented out right? | 00:27 |
| KaZeR | correct | 00:27 |
| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: would you mind sharing your /etc/neutron and /etc/nova ? | 00:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | weird, pretty sure whats what fixed my problem | 00:29 |
| KaZeR | maybe you had something right that i currently have wrong :) | 00:29 |
| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: what about the api-paste? | 00:30 |
| KaZeR | dachary: why would you want another way? that tutorial is very good | 00:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: thats what i thought it was at first | 00:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | SO... commenting out that line from ovs_neutron_plugin.ini causes neutron on the controller to 404 when looking up sec groups | 00:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least on my system | 00:31 |
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| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: it's close to that bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1232965 | 00:32 |
| KaZeR | unfortunately the patch did not fix the problem for me | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | you're not using the NOOP driver right? | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | on any of your components... | 00:33 |
| KaZeR | in nova.conf i do have firewall_driver=nova.virt.firewall.NoopFirewallDriver | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | you need neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver everywhere | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | the noop driver breaks a ton of shit | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | for some reason... | 00:33 |
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| KaZeR | i did that earlier according to a post in the ML but to no avail. i'm retrying right now | 00:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think its supposed to work, but it breaks security groups... and neutron doesnt seem to like working without security groups | 00:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least i couldnt launch a vm | 00:34 |
| KaZeR | i have /etc/nova/nova.conf:firewall_driver=neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver and /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini:firewall_driver = neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver | 00:36 |
| KaZeR | but same error | 00:36 |
| KaZeR | looks like http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2013-October/002169.html | 00:38 |
| KaZeR | but i'd like to make sure that it's not my config | 00:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | on my sys, the only place nova.conf says anything about firewalls is nova-compute.conf on the compute node with firewall_driver=nova.virt.libvirt.firewall.IptablesFirewallDriver | 00:39 |
| KaZeR | mmm | 00:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | anything regarding OVS is in neutron config files | 00:41 |
| KaZeR | which makes sense actually | 00:42 |
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| KaZeR | actually since it's a 404 seen in nova-api i wonder if it's not a neutron issue rather than nova | 00:43 |
| KaZeR | like neutron not having the secgroups management enabled in its api | 00:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | in my case, nova would return a 500 or something | 00:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron would return a 404 | 00:44 |
| KaZeR | would you mind sharing your configs so that i can diff against mine? | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm... wonder whats a good place to post configs | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | its too much to pastebin | 00:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | kind of short on time too... | 00:45 |
| lifeless | Sam-I-Am: you can pastebin a lot ;) | 00:45 |
| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: i'm ok to share my email address with you if you want | 00:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, yeah... its just a lot of manual labor | 00:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: that works | 00:46 |
| lifeless | Sam-I-Am: pastebinit | 00:46 |
| KaZeR | cool | 00:46 |
| lifeless | Sam-I-Am: cat foo | pastebinit | 00:46 |
| lifeless | done | 00:46 |
| lifeless | long as you don't have passwords in the config :) | 00:46 |
| lifeless | [nova, neutron and others do have passwords] | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, this is a test install so its not a big deal | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just use crap passwords | 00:46 |
| KaZeR | lifeless: the thing is that we probably need the whole nova folder for the api and rootwrap files too :) | 00:46 |
| lifeless | cat * | pastebinit | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll just paste my entire filesystem lol | 00:47 |
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| KaZeR | ahah | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: so... from the controller? | 00:47 |
| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: do you have a dedicated network node? | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 00:47 |
| KaZeR | ok i think the neutron folder from the network node could be interesting too if you don't mind | 00:48 |
| KaZeR | did you get my pm ? | 00:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 00:48 |
| KaZeR | cool | 00:48 |
| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: isn't you btw who had the rpc issue earlier this week ? | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 00:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | and i fixed it | 00:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | working on your files... | 00:52 |
| KaZeR | oh great ( my whole point of testing havana is the frequent rpc issues i have with grizzly + quantum ) | 00:53 |
| KaZeR | awesome Sam-I-Am thanks | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | plenty of people have rpc issues... theres a problem with the official install docs for havana. trying to determine exactly what went wrong. | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | my rpc problem was a show-stopper though. nothing worked, ever. | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not intermittent | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | couldnt delete instances either | 00:53 |
| KaZeR | and what was the root cause? | 00:53 |
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| pmathews | Sam-I-Am: so what was the problem/solution? | 00:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | damn good question. tomorrow begins my journey building another setup from scratch via the official docs and seeing where it breaks | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | i *think* its because nova on the controller doesnt know about neutron | 00:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i sent someone else here some config snippets and it fixed their problem | 00:57 |
| pmathews | Sam-I-Am: what backend are you using? | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | rabbit | 00:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | from what i could tell, the compute node would stuff something into the rabbit queue asking for network resources when i launched a VM, but it would time out because nothing answered. | 00:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: on its way | 00:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: nova/neu from cntrl, neu from net node | 00:59 |
| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: awesome thanks | 00:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | i still have a weird issue with the metadata agent, but thats for another day | 01:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | gotta run for a bit | 01:03 |
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| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: i'll let you know if i found my issue, thanks again | 01:04 |
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| Torikun | how to check if virtio drives are in the instance? | 01:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | back. sorta. trying to make dinner | 01:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | and more football on soon | 01:15 |
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| Torikun | is there a limit for a number of instance flavors to run? | 01:21 |
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| morganfainberg | Torikun, Not really. though in practicality, it's better to have well defined flavors vs. minor variations (at least that is my experience running private clouds) | 01:36 |
| Torikun | ah ok | 01:36 |
| Torikun | I noticed I can not launch new machines even when I have all my instances suspended | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | Torikun, suspended instances still consume quota iirc | 01:36 |
| Torikun | oh | 01:37 |
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| morganfainberg | Torikun, if you think about it, it would be a way to consume extra resources if you could just suspend an instance and not be "billed" for it. | 01:38 |
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| Torikun | Ah that is a godo way to think about it =) | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | Torikun, or consume more than your fair share (as outlined by the operator/admin of the OS deployment) | 01:39 |
| Torikun | I forgot that this is for more than just running your private vm's =) | 01:39 |
| morganfainberg | Torikun, yeah. in a perfect world quotas wouldn't be needed (hell, passwords and encryption wouldn't either). | 01:40 |
| morganfainberg | Torikun, but we are far from a perfect world. | 01:40 |
| Torikun | yup | 01:40 |
| Torikun | I can not wait to do this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65hHg7cQr_g | 01:40 |
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| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: i replaced my config with yours, but so far same issue :( | 01:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | hummm | 01:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you restart things? | 01:44 |
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| Torikun | openstack with the CLoudian s3 integration is sex | 01:46 |
| Torikun | y | 01:46 |
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| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: yep | 01:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hummm | 02:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | wonder if theres something in the compute node | 02:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | time to eat | 02:02 |
| pwns | One of my swift nodes is reporting http://10.250.1.4:6000/recon/async: {'async_pending': None}. When I go to http://10.250.1.4:6000/recon/async it returns null. Is this normal? | 02:04 |
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| paulwang | if openstack deploy more areas | 04:23 |
| paulwang | why handle | 04:24 |
| paulwang | many of region? | 04:24 |
| paulwang | multiple areas how to achieve multi-zone?? | 04:26 |
| ArminderS- | add your nodes on different zones | 04:27 |
| dsockwell | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/segregate_cloud.html | 04:28 |
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| paulwang | multi-zone how to deeploy keystone | 04:31 |
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| ywu | hi, where can i find out the session's slide deck in the icehouse summit last week? | 07:45 |
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| clarkb | ywu: there are videos at http://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-hong-kong-2013/session-videos/ which may include pointers to slides? | 07:46 |
| clarkb | I am not sure if the slides were collected in any central location | 07:46 |
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| ywu | clarkb: the links have the videos, but did not find any slides | 07:47 |
| clarkb | ywu: right, but the speakers may metnion the location of slides in the videos or in the video comments | 07:47 |
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| vvechkanov | Hello all. Could anyone help me? I found approved and not implemented blueprint about live snapshots in nova. This one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/live-snapshots. I have ideas and really want to implement it. But it is assigned to Anton Antonov. | 08:53 |
| vvechkanov | I email to Anton but don't get answer for already 3 days. What shopuld I do in this situation? | 08:54 |
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| muehsi | maybe wait 3 more days | 08:59 |
| muehsi | it`s been weekend. | 08:59 |
| clarkb | and the summit just happened | 08:59 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | hi, what is the correct location to post a link to an openstack job offering? | 09:53 |
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| EmilienM | SebastianKreutzb: i think you should rather connect with community managers, on #openstack-community | 10:01 |
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| EmilienM | SebastianKreutzb: or directly use http://www.openstack.org/post-a-job.html | 10:02 |
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| EmilienM | SebastianKreutzb: "please email details about the available positions to jobs@openstack.org" | 10:03 |
| SebastianKreutzb | ah great, thanks! | 10:03 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | How do I assign internal IPs to my VMs which are created with OpenStack? Does Nova act as a DHCP? | 10:23 |
| dsockwell | i don't know what nova-network does but neutron integrates a dhcp service | 10:24 |
| sgran | nova-network also just runs dnsmasq | 10:24 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | so we maybe better go directly with neutron. we also plan virtual private networks later on. | 10:26 |
| SebastianKreutzb | one concept question: security groups isolate VMs from each other right? where is that handled? in a firewall in the VM? | 10:27 |
| dsockwell | usually a firewall on the compute node | 10:28 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | so the traffic goes from the internet to the compute node and then to the VM? | 10:29 |
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| dsockwell | http://docs.openstack.org/network-admin/admin/content/under_the_hood_openvswitch.html | 10:30 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | oh, that’s complicated :( | 10:33 |
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| dsockwell | luckily neutron automates most of that | 10:35 |
| dsockwell | but that's what it does | 10:35 |
| SebastianKreutzb | I think I understand at least the concept: internet traffic goes through our data center load balancer/firewall and then onto the DomU of our XenServer which has the openstack controller and the controller forwards it to the proper VM. right? | 10:36 |
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| dsockwell | that could work but you might find advantages to giving neutron its own bare-metal box. | 10:37 |
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| dsockwell | and then, because you have it, the rest of the openstack API services too | 10:38 |
| SebastianKreutzb | I also thought about putting openstack controller, etc. on an own box, but all docs recommend to put it onto xen?! | 10:38 |
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| dsockwell | oh, they do? i've never used xenserver, so it might be a good idea, but i don't personally see how | 10:39 |
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| dsockwell | maybe they just want you to save money on having yet another physical server | 10:39 |
| dsockwell | or maybe there's special xenapi voodoo for networking | 10:39 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | normally not, xenapi can be totally remote-controlled | 10:39 |
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| dsockwell | you're probably better off finding some xenserver specific docs. I know xenserver has (or can have) openvswitch but i don't particularly know much about it. | 10:41 |
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| dsockwell | if you wait here for a couple hours new york city will wake up and you might find someone who knows more | 10:43 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | actually I am more in finding an expert for that and even have a budget, but gosh, it’s hard to find openstack guys in berlin. | 10:43 |
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| dsockwell | there's always rackspace | 10:44 |
| SebastianKreutzb | they do consulting? | 10:44 |
| dsockwell | iirc they do full service installations | 10:45 |
| SebastianKreutzb | I would actually prefer to hire someone, but that's maybe too hard :( | 10:45 |
| dsockwell | well the summit is only just over, it's not even monday morning | 10:46 |
| dsockwell | here, at least | 10:46 |
| Qlawy | almost noon ;) | 10:47 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | here it's 11:47 AM | 10:47 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | ok, so I wait some hours. maybe there is a xenserver specialist out there :) | 10:48 |
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| BobBallAway | hi SebastianKreutzb :) | 11:14 |
| BobBallAway | <-- XenAPI specialist ;) | 11:14 |
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| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: There are a number of reasons - but ATM the DomU has to be on the host where you're going to run VMs | 11:15 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: For example, we will mount the VDI in the DomU for the "resize" functionality | 11:15 |
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| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: We're aiming to decouple this a little more during the next release cycle | 11:15 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | BobBall: you are working on the xen "connector" of openstack nova? | 11:16 |
| BobBall | yes | 11:16 |
| SebastianKreutzb | awesome! | 11:17 |
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| BobBall | It is, yes | 11:17 |
| BobBall | :) | 11:17 |
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| Qlawy | BobBall: how to use neutron with xen? Is it even possible? | 11:39 |
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| rajdeep | hi | 11:39 |
| BobBall | yes Qlawy - it works great in Havana but not in prior releases | 11:40 |
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| BobBall | Qlawy: Check out http://blogs.citrix.com/2013/06/14/openstack-networking-quantum-on-xenserver-from-notworking-to-networking/ for some of the details | 11:41 |
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| Reddy | Hi | 11:41 |
| Qlawy | dbrandon: tnx | 11:41 |
| Qlawy | BobBall: ↑ | 11:41 |
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| BobBall | Qlawy: in particular maybe look at https://raw.github.com/matelakat/shared/xs-q-v1/xenserver-quantum/deployment.png - which shows the extra network that's reated to proxy the changes through to dom0 | 11:42 |
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| Qlawy | BobBall: tnx very much :) | 11:42 |
| BobBall | Welcome! | 11:43 |
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| kousik | hi all, glance image-list is working fine but nova image-list giving ERROR: Unauthorized (HTTP 401) ... any solution? | 13:01 |
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| Qlawy | kousik: check if you have good credentials in nova.conf and glance-registry.conf | 13:02 |
| Qlawy | or in api conf files | 13:02 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | BobBall: do you recommend using Devstack to intially setup a basic production environment (I mean the general changes for Xenserver)? Or is it better to go the manual way? | 13:03 |
| SebastianKreutzb | was just reading the citrix blog post about neutron and this one https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QuantumDevstackOvsXcp | 13:03 |
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| christophe-wk3-o | Hi everyone, I've got some trouble with an OpenStack test setup after upgrading to Ubuntu 13.10. I'm using linux bridge networking. There is supposed to be a bridge named brqaf2cda02-42, but it doesn't show ip. | 13:09 |
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| christophe-wk3-o | How do I find out what is causing this? All services start up fine and I don't see any error messages in the log files. | 13:10 |
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| kousik | @Qlawy: i have pasted all in http://fpaste.org/53193/13841756/ | 13:15 |
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| kousik | @Qlawy: kindly check | 13:15 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: Go for devstack - it's nice and easy | 13:15 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: The "manual" way works and is probably better when you're going for a large cloud | 13:15 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: but use devstack and https://raw.github.com/citrix-openstack/qa/master/connect-devstack-local.sh to connect two devstack's together | 13:16 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | I successfully used devstack to setup openstack on xenserver (everything under my local VMWare fusion), but devstack does not use services etc. just screens. or can I use devstack for the setup and later add the services? | 13:18 |
| edgy | sirs, if I managed to ran an instance and gave it a floating address, how can I ssh to it now? | 13:19 |
| BobBall | Devstack is self-contained | 13:19 |
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| BobBall | There isn't (as far as I know) a defined process to convert it to using packages | 13:19 |
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| BobBall | You either use devstack or you use services | 13:20 |
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| edgy | BobBall: nice and easy? it's a week now and I couldn't do a basic connection :( | 13:20 |
| BobBall | of course you can use devstack to create your nova.conf etc and just copy that to a package-based setup | 13:20 |
| BobBall | edgy: with xenserver? What's the problem you've got? | 13:20 |
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| edgy | BobBall: I try to ssh to the instance and I can't, let me paste it ... | 13:21 |
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| BobBall | edgy: put it on paste.openstack.org | 13:22 |
| BobBall | edgy: and probably your localrc too | 13:22 |
| BobBall | edgy: or just describe how you set things up? | 13:22 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | devstack does not work for us since we have in production a xenserver pool. and devstack stops if there is more than one host. I would love to go the manual way to actually learn what devstack is doing, but I fear that it will be very hard | 13:26 |
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| edgy | BobBall: http://paste.openstack.org/show/51648/ | 13:27 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: Not sure how to set it up with a production pool already existing; you may find problems later anyway because when using a pool, Nova expects to create + own the pool itself (using host aggregates) | 13:27 |
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| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: OpenStack doesn't really need the pool - so we'd advise not to use it | 13:27 |
| edgy | BobBall: this installation is on ubuntu 12.04 running bare-metal | 13:27 |
| BobBall | edgy: I'm a xenserver bloke so can't really help with that I'm afraid :/ never tried it | 13:28 |
| edgy | BobBall: tried what? | 13:28 |
| BobBall | bare metal | 13:28 |
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| edgy | BobBall: I though if you can make it on xen, then the procedure should be exactly or easier in a dedicated server | 13:29 |
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| edgy | BobBall: or does bare metal means something else? | 13:30 |
| SebastianKreutzb | BobBall: so I can tell the data center guys to merge(?) the current pool of 6 xenservers to one? or how would they do that? | 13:30 |
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| BobBall | baremetal is one of the drivers in Nova that allows you to use a single host to run instances directly ratehr than under a hypervisor | 13:30 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: Do you have VMs on the hosts you want to keep? (Nova expects to control all VMs on the host) - what's the set up that you're aiming for? | 13:31 |
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| edgy | BobBall: then I didn't meant that, I just install openstack in ubuntu in a dedicated server | 13:31 |
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| BobBall | edgy: So you're trying to use KVM then? | 13:31 |
| edgy | BobBall: exactly | 13:31 |
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| BobBall | Ah yes - I see now - but again, that's something I don't use either... | 13:32 |
| BobBall | I have no idea why it might not be working | 13:32 |
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| BobBall | I'd enable the logging in devstack (set SCREEN_LOGDIR) and look at the log files for screen-n-cpu and screen-n-net | 13:33 |
| edgy | BobBall: my problem has nothing to do with the hypervisor stuff, I just wonder do you need to set any routing things or you should be able to connect directly with ssh? do you connect to the private ip or the floating ip? | 13:33 |
| BobBall | It should "just work" if you're using devstack | 13:33 |
| BobBall | You don't need to set anything up AFAIK | 13:33 |
| edgy | BobBall: and for the localrc do you think there is anything wrong? considering that I have eth0 and eth1 on that server | 13:34 |
| edgy | BobBall: just assume it's like running over xen | 13:34 |
| SebastianKreutzb | BobBall: no, the Xenserver pool is new and nothing on it, yet (besides the master on the first host) | 13:34 |
| BobBall | Looks ok - but networking on XenAPI is the one place where it's very different to KVM :) | 13:34 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: Ok - do you need to run with pools? Or could they be several compute hosts? OpenStack doesn't need them to be in a pool | 13:35 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | I would pick the most simple setup | 13:35 |
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| BobBall | then I'd advise not to worry about pools | 13:35 |
| BobBall | They add complexity and unless you need it, it's not worth it | 13:36 |
| SebastianKreutzb | and it is still possible that several xen compute nodes mount a shared nfs? | 13:36 |
| BobBall | ah - that might be why you need a pool :) | 13:36 |
| BobBall | If you need shared storage, then yes, you need a pool :) | 13:36 |
| BobBall | So let OpenStack set it up as an aggregate | 13:36 |
| BobBall | Set up the hosts separately to start | 13:37 |
| BobBall | then add each host to the aggregate | 13:37 |
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| BobBall | and they will be pool-join'ed | 13:37 |
| BobBall | What are you using the shared storage for, out of interest? | 13:37 |
| BobBall | VM storage? | 13:37 |
| SebastianKreutzb | the former CTO chose it for VM storage I guess | 13:38 |
| SebastianKreutzb | but everything can be questioned :) | 13:38 |
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| BobBall | Ok - so there are some definite advantages - e.g. VM migration is near-instant | 13:38 |
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| BobBall | but setup isn't as simple | 13:39 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | what is the best practice for a setup of several xenservers? a pool? | 13:39 |
| BobBall | Depends on the scale and the use cases :) | 13:39 |
| BobBall | Most OpenStack deployments with xenserver do not use pools | 13:39 |
| edgy | BobBall: thanks for your care to help, hope some one familiar with linux/kvm would help | 13:40 |
| SebastianKreutzb | so how do they connect the xenservers under one openstack? | 13:40 |
| BobBall | if you get to a certain size (hundreds of hosts) then pools become another abstraction layer that doesn't give the advantages you have in a smaller scale (because you can't have all the hosts in one pool, so things like fast live migration only apply to sub-sets of hosts) | 13:40 |
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| BobBall | Each host is isolated but connects to one scheduler | 13:40 |
| BobBall | so nova-manage service list shows all of the computes | 13:41 |
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| BobBall | but none of the computes know about each other | 13:41 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | sound simpler | 13:42 |
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| BobBall | It is substantially simpler, yes | 13:42 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | is it good practice to use on xenserver as availability zone? | 13:42 |
| SebastianKreutzb | one xenserver I mean | 13:43 |
| BobBall | no | 13:43 |
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| BobBall | if you do that you won't be able to use the scheduler logic properly | 13:43 |
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| BobBall | because you specify which host you want the VM to go to by specifying the availability zone | 13:43 |
| BobBall | live migration might not work too? | 13:43 |
| SebastianKreutzb | ok, got it | 13:44 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | that massive shared storage for VMs, is that best practice? | 13:45 |
| SebastianKreutzb | I need to question everything the former CTO did :) | 13:45 |
| BobBall | It's a special case in the OpenStack world and is not required by OpenStack - but it depends on whether there are special things you want to do with your use case. | 13:45 |
| SebastianKreutzb | I need to ask the head of development here, but I am sure he does not need it | 13:46 |
| BobBall | In OS you need to have something serving the images (glance) but I imagine you could do something where they are provided by the same shared storage as the VMs will live on - that might give super-fast deployment | 13:46 |
| BobBall | for example. | 13:46 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | without a pool I could just setup one xenserver and make it work properly and then (relatively) easy add another xenserver? | 13:47 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | what is the most simple network setup in that case? XenAPI Flat DHCP Networking? | 13:50 |
| BobBall | yes SebastianKreutzb | 13:50 |
| BobBall | yup | 13:50 |
| SebastianKreutzb | that’s the one devstack is doing for xenserver? | 13:51 |
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| BobBall | The very simplest way to do it SebastianKreutzb is to set up N devstack's each indepedently (see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/DevStack) and then connect them together using https://raw.github.com/citrix-openstack/qa/master/connect-devstack-local.sh | 13:52 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | yes, that’s really simple, but I fear that screen stuff is not cool | 13:55 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | it would be good to have something like an instruction how to migrate a devstack setup to a "normal" openstack | 13:55 |
| BobBall | it's very cool - means you can connect to the running instances and see what's going on | 13:55 |
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| BobBall | Admittedly there isn't any help in restarting one service it if fails | 13:56 |
| BobBall | you need to restart all of them on that node | 13:56 |
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| BobBall | and it's a manual thing rather than automated | 13:56 |
| BobBall | but I'm not sure if it's automated in any other system | 13:56 |
| BobBall | i.e. they start at boot - but if they die, do they get restarted? | 13:56 |
| SebastianKreutzb | somehow my devstack setups itself on reboot | 13:57 |
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| BobBall | Anyway - if you're only talking about the computes, it's easy enough to set them up for Xen - http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/yum/content/introduction-to-xen.html | 13:57 |
| BobBall | you just set those 4 variables up | 13:57 |
| BobBall | and it'll work great :) | 13:57 |
| BobBall | so you can set it up using the standard ubuntu packages, then change nova.conf and it sholuld work great (although note the sections later in the page that talk about installing the plugins in dom0) | 13:59 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | ah cool! | 14:00 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: do read the whole of that page before starting though | 14:00 |
| SebastianKreutzb | yes, will do, thanks! | 14:00 |
| SebastianKreutzb | I will advise the data center to "unpool" the pool of xenservers. I am friend of simple things. | 14:01 |
| BobBall | although it's a lot better when using Havana - the biggest problem was a lack of plugins in dom0 - now if you're using XenAPI (as said at the top) and you haven't got them installed you get a very obvious error! | 14:01 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | this basic setup also has the block storage feature, right? | 14:04 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | oh one more thing I don’t get. I am looking at http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/yum/content/figures/5/figures/xenserver_architecture.png | 14:06 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | with public network the connection from internet is meant, right? so our data center loadbalancers route traffic directly to the OpenStack VM? | 14:06 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | if I check the above mentioned diagram, it speaks about 3 physical interfaces. but how can a VM have a physical interface? or am I totally getting things wrong? | 14:19 |
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| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: You pass the interface through as a virtual one - that's all it meant | 14:31 |
| BobBall | SebastianKreutzb: but yes, public is external | 14:31 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | ah okay, I was confused because it said "physical". | 14:32 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | I think I slowly start to get it! traffic comes from the internet into the OpenStack domU and this somehow redirects it to the VMs / tenants | 14:33 |
| SebastianKreutzb | and that makes it possible to add a security layer because openstack "knows" where to route what traffic | 14:34 |
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| BobBall | no | 14:42 |
| BobBall | unless you are using neutron | 14:42 |
| BobBall | XenServer has the networks | 14:42 |
| BobBall | and VMs are directly plugged into them | 14:42 |
| BobBall | (actually, even with Neutron, the network setup is pushed down into Dom0 IIRC) | 14:43 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | so xenserver is handling all the virtual networking? | 14:46 |
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| Kvezon | Hello, can i receive all availability zones from REST API? I can receive availability zones for tenant, but my user doesn't have right for all tenants. Is it possible to receive an admin user token that has right for everything? | 14:47 |
| BobBall | yes SebastianKreutzb | 14:48 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | the openstack vm is sending traffic to the dom0 and it sends it to the VMs? Or do I misunderstand that graphic? It looks as if the external traffic goes into the OpenStack VM and not into dom0? | 14:50 |
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| BobBall | huh? | 14:53 |
| BobBall | external traffic to the VM just goes through the bridges in dom0 | 14:53 |
| BobBall | it doesn't go to the openstack VM | 14:53 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | ah, and the openstack VM just sets up the bridges? | 14:53 |
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| BobBall | no - devstack can set them up - but the VM assumes they already exist (they are specified in nova.conf) | 14:54 |
| BobBall | chances are they do already exist because the xenserver will have set them up | 14:54 |
| BobBall | the only case they won't is if you don't care if they are external or not (e.g. the development case in devstack) | 14:55 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | give me a sec, I log into the XenCenter and check it :) | 15:11 |
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| SebastianKreutz | BobBall: sorry, I had to exit IRC to connect to the server. strict rules here :( | 15:30 |
| SebastianKreutz | so you wanted to know the bridge setup? | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | hehe | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | SebastianKreutz: just saying it should work | 15:31 |
| BobBall | does it not? | 15:31 |
| SebastianKreutz | think yes. | 15:31 |
| SebastianKreutz | we have many PIFs on the xenserver | 15:31 |
| SebastianKreutz | I spoke with the head of development and I can "un-pool" the xenserver pool to make things simpler | 15:32 |
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| BobBall | great | 15:33 |
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| BobBall | ATM you have all the PIFs shown for each host | 15:33 |
| BobBall | because pools show all resources in the DB | 15:33 |
| SebastianKreutz | ah okay. all the connected storages are shown there, too. but that will become more simplified | 15:34 |
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| SebastianKreutz | is it good practice to directly add a "fat" HDD to the xenserver or is it a network-mounted storage more common? | 15:35 |
| SebastianKreutz | I mean for VM storage | 15:35 |
| BobBall | Cloud practice is to use the local HDD - enterprise practice is to use network storage | 15:35 |
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| BobBall | but basically whatever-you-have will work if you don't have special requirements | 15:35 |
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| SebastianKreutz | we have this 10TB NFS store, that won’t work I guess it we unpool up the pool | 15:36 |
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| SebastianKreutz | split up the pool I mean | 15:36 |
| SebastianKreutz | or can several xenservers use one NFS? no or? | 15:37 |
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| BobBall | Yes they can | 15:38 |
| BobBall | "NFS storage" is just a directory on an NFS share | 15:38 |
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| BobBall | each host can only attach to one NFS SR - but you can have many NFS SRs on a single NFS share | 15:38 |
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| SebastianKreutz | ah, cool! | 15:38 |
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| SebastianKreutz | so I could leave that intact, great. | 15:39 |
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| BobBall | absolutely | 15:40 |
| BobBall | and it means you can use that nice and expensive storage array :) | 15:41 |
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| SebastianKreutz | :) | 15:41 |
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| cuban3r | Ubuntu 13.10 + Havana, cannot start nova-compute->TRACE nova.virt.driver ImportError: Class LibvirtDriver cannot be found | 15:44 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | devstack always installs itself after the openstack controller VM reboot. is there a way to not have that behavior? | 15:50 |
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| BobBall | yes SebastianKreutzb - remove "run.sh" from /etc/rc.local | 15:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | morning | 15:57 |
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| CaptainTacoSauce | cuban3r: KVM? | 16:01 |
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| cuban3r | captaintacosauce: solved --> nova.virt namespace issue | 16:09 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | ah okay, neat | 16:09 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | heya Sam | 16:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hows life? | 16:10 |
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| SebastianKreutzb | BobBall: thanks for all your help today! I will tomorrow morning dive into all that and try to come as far as I can :) | 16:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | CaptainTacoSauce: is your metadata stuff working? | 16:13 |
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| BobBall | HTH SebastianKreutzb :) | 16:14 |
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| Torikun | Seems like overcommitting is not the issue...How can I make openstack ignore suspended VM's so I can launch more? | 16:26 |
| Torikun | is there an override? | 16:26 |
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| CaptainTacoSauce | oh, annual enrollment time, bleh | 16:28 |
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| CaptainTacoSauce | metadata, metadata, I don't remember that problem | 16:28 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | my last problem was network connectivity to the guest VMs but that's working great now so I guess next step is to add cinder and play with that | 16:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | CaptainTacoSauce: oh, with my config i have some issue with the net node claiming the metadata endpoint isnt registered | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | but... i thought it was part of neutron's endpoint | 16:30 |
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| Torikun | Any way to make suspended VM's not count against your memory usage so you can launch more VM's ? | 16:30 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | hmmmm yeah haven't seen that one, I'm not even entirely sure what that means | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | Torikun: i dont think so.. kind of wouldnt make sense | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | CaptainTacoSauce: one sec | 16:31 |
| Torikun | I tried overcommit and it does not work | 16:31 |
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| Torikun | regular KVM will allow it =( | 16:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | CaptainTacoSauce: humm, the error is gone now :/ | 16:32 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | you're welcome :P | 16:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i must have rubbed the lamp correctly | 16:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | CaptainTacoSauce: so your network stuffs is still working? | 16:33 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | yeah haven't touched it today but it was working great Friday | 16:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh, i havent worked on mine since then either | 16:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | needed a brain break | 16:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | now i'm putting together a second system in an attempt to figure out exactly where the docs go wrong | 16:34 |
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| CaptainTacoSauce | yeah I'm going to show up to my lab later today and be like what's the deallll | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 16:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | i recommend bringing a six pack | 16:44 |
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| KaZeR | hi there | 17:07 |
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| KaZeR | CaptainTacoSauce: which version are you running ? | 17:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: figure out your problem? | 17:08 |
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| CaptainTacoSauce | I run havana on saucy. | 17:08 |
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| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: unfortunately, not yet :( | 17:09 |
| KaZeR | ok CaptainTacoSauce. using openvswitch too ? | 17:09 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | Yep. | 17:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | KaZeR: thats... weird. | 17:09 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | with kvm virt | 17:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that one line fixed my 404s... so... | 17:09 |
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| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: yep really weird. | 17:10 |
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| KaZeR | Sam-I-Am: thanks again anyway, really appreciate | 17:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | must be something else missing somewhere | 17:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the question is where.. | 17:10 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | I'm curious what the problem was but probably don't have the cycles to actually look at it. | 17:10 |
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| cjellick | hi all. does anyone know how to configure horizon/keystone to limit the number of users retutrned when modifying the users in a project? | 17:19 |
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| cjellick | …have lots of users from ldap and it takes forever to load | 17:19 |
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| Gamekiller77 | Does any one know if the L3 part of neutron has it own log files or a way to make it print to standard output | 17:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it should log in /var/log/neutron | 17:20 |
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| Gamekiller77 | but that like the bulk log for all neutron services | 17:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i have separate l3 agent and dhcp agent logs in there | 17:21 |
| Gamekiller77 | i can get the L3 to work with manual command execution but not via the service start | 17:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | if thats what you're looking for | 17:21 |
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| Gamekiller77 | so i can just place that right log_dir and log_file | 17:21 |
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| Gamekiller77 | btw thanks Sam-I-Am | 17:22 |
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| KaZeR | Gamekiller77: /usr/bin/quantum-l3-agent-python2.7 --config-file=/etc/quantum/quantum.conf --config-file=/etc/quantum/l3_agent.ini --log-file=/var/log/quantum//quantum-l3-agent.log | 17:22 |
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| KaZeR | (same for neutron of course) | 17:22 |
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| Gamekiller77 | KaZeR: i did that and it runs just fine | 17:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's also a debug mode if needed | 17:22 |
| Gamekiller77 | ok cool was not sure how much the sub system shared with the core server | 17:23 |
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| rmr | Hi ! I am new to openstack and was trying to understand the boot process of the it..i.e., in what order services are started...what all could go wrong...can somebody please suggest some good material for this...any help is greatly appreciated ! | 17:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | rmr: with upstart things kind of start all at once | 17:33 |
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| CaptainTacoSauce | rmr: I don't have any documentation to refer you to, but I think the system is largely designed to fail and recover -- it shouldn't have a specific runbook. Having said that, I'd say 1) mysql/rabbit 2) keystone 3) everything else | 17:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | which... sucks imo | 17:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if you check logs, you'll see that daemons can't connect to other daemons for a while, but then it all cleans up | 17:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | rebooting pieces usually reconnect after a bit | 17:33 |
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| Gamekiller77 | Sam-I-Am: thanks for the log i found the problem with L3_agent | 17:45 |
| Gamekiller77 | root-wrapper was still pointing to quantum name not neutron name | 17:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that'll do it | 17:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | also make sure sudo allows the neutron/nova users | 17:48 |
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| Gamekiller77 | Sam-I-Am: not using sudo with my setup in dev | 18:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok... | 18:05 |
| Gamekiller77 | but yah the defualt in neutron,conf is quantum so had to change it and remove sudo | 18:05 |
| Gamekiller77 | for rootwrapper | 18:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did you upgrade from grizzly or something? | 18:06 |
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| Gamekiller77 | no fresh install of havana | 18:10 |
| Gamekiller77 | the upgrade borked the whole setup | 18:10 |
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| Gamekiller77 | so was faster to reinstall | 18:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmm, wonder why you're seeing 'quantum' in places | 18:10 |
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| Gamekiller77 | it odd it in the base config at the top of the option is states neutron but in the line to uncomment it quantum | 18:12 |
| Gamekiller77 | thinking i should file a bug with this but not sure where the config file come from the project or the RDO stack | 18:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | ohhh... rdo | 18:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | could be an rdo issue since it uses packstack | 18:13 |
| Gamekiller77 | well i did not install via packstack | 18:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | my havana install on ubuntu is all neutron | 18:13 |
| Gamekiller77 | i did it manual via yum | 18:13 |
| Gamekiller77 | yah sorry RDO her as we are a RHEL houst | 18:14 |
| Gamekiller77 | house | 18:14 |
| larsks | Gamekiller77: If you run into RDO problems, just file the bug against RDO...if it's actually an upstream problem it should eventually get there, and if not this makes sure someone will take a look at it. | 18:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was kind of under the impression that rdo was a devel/test kit like devstack | 18:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but i havent used rdo yet. planning to try it. | 18:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | enough people come in here with questions on it | 18:15 |
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| Gamekiller77 | I have two setups with it now | 18:15 |
| Gamekiller77 | packstack will do all in one or multi node now | 18:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | is it aimed at production or still test? | 18:16 |
| Gamekiller77 | but like i said i doing it all by hand to learn the ins and outs | 18:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent used packstack either | 18:16 |
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| Gamekiller77 | i run the dev setup | 18:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | i started with devstack, got familiar with it, and then did my own manual install | 18:16 |
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| Gamekiller77 | we have it in Stage and will run it in prod soon not sure when | 18:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | devstack had a few annoying limitations | 18:16 |
| Gamekiller77 | yah i did all by hand first time around | 18:16 |
| Gamekiller77 | took me 3 months | 18:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | like... logging everything to a screen session | 18:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | ha | 18:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i've done too many hand installs now... takes me a day once the base OS is ready for openstack packages | 18:17 |
| Gamekiller77 | yah upgrade to havana was super fast for me | 18:17 |
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| Gamekiller77 | but dealing with Ceph p[roblems too | 18:18 |
| Gamekiller77 | we have tech support for Ceph | 18:18 |
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| Gamekiller77 | i am now trying to give back to the community | 18:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 18:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm trying to give back with doc fixes | 18:20 |
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| Gamekiller77 | same here with REHL | 18:20 |
| Gamekiller77 | already found two problems | 18:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm trying to find the "key" now to why neutron doesnt work at all using the official docs | 18:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think i know what it is... just need more evidence | 18:21 |
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| Gamekiller77 | with what pluginis | 18:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ovs | 18:24 |
| Gamekiller77 | that what i have for now | 18:24 |
| Gamekiller77 | be switching over to N1k soon | 18:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nexus? | 18:26 |
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| Gamekiller77 | yah | 18:29 |
| Gamekiller77 | i have to ;) | 18:29 |
| Gamekiller77 | i have to prove the cisco on cisco story | 18:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ble | 18:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | h | 18:32 |
| * Sam-I-Am isnt a cisco fan | 18:32 | |
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| Gamekiller77 | i work there so no choice | 18:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ha, nice. | 18:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | <- brocade | 18:32 |
| Gamekiller77 | nice | 18:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | lets take this out in the parking lot... :) | 18:32 |
| Gamekiller77 | you off 1st street | 18:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm actually in denver | 18:33 |
| Gamekiller77 | i go eat lunch by your building here in San Jose | 18:33 |
| Gamekiller77 | ok off | 18:33 |
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| Lexis | Hello everyone | 18:50 |
| Lexis | quick newb question, what is the best way to update a devstack to Havana ? | 18:50 |
| clarkb | Lexis: the easiest way is probably to just start over | 18:51 |
| Lexis | ^^ | 18:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, pretty much | 18:51 |
| Lexis | if I use the default devstack, I get on Grizzly right ? | 18:51 |
| clarkb | no default devstack is master | 18:51 |
| clarkb | which is currently icehouse | 18:51 |
| clarkb | (it depends on what commit of devstack you currently have checked out) | 18:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can tell it which repo to use | 18:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | but the default is devel | 18:52 |
| Lexis | ok, I did the deployment but didn't see heat there | 18:52 |
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| Lexis | ok I should read ^^ | 18:54 |
| Lexis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/GettingStartedUsingDevstack | 18:54 |
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| pablokbs | hello, were can I get help to install openstack on ubuntu 12 ? | 19:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | plenty of places | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | here, official docs, ask.openstack.org, google search... | 19:26 |
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| pablokbs | ok maybe you can help me :) I just want to install openstack on a fresh installed ubuntu 12 server | 19:27 |
| pablokbs | with only one NIC | 19:27 |
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| pablokbs | i've read the DOC but it's about 130 PAGES!!!! | 19:27 |
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| pablokbs | I tried with devstack script, works well but I'm having trouble with the NICs configuration, I just want to make a virtual NIC and NAT some traffic with shorewall, that's it | 19:28 |
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| pablokbs | I really don't understand well about "floating range, fixed range, etc" | 19:29 |
| pablokbs | that's my problem I think | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | things are a little sketchy with one nic | 19:30 |
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| pablokbs | oh :( | 19:30 |
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| pablokbs | there is no way I can install another nic on that server | 19:30 |
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| pablokbs | maybe if I create a bridged interface or something | 19:31 |
| dsockwell | would a dummy driver NIC work? | 19:31 |
| dsockwell | or some other kind of fake NIC | 19:31 |
| pablokbs | I hope :) | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | i am using 1 nic with devstack | 19:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it works, but isnt very flexible | 19:32 |
| pablokbs | what are the limitations? | 19:32 |
| pablokbs | maybe I don't need to much of that | 19:32 |
| dsockwell | you could do your testing in a vm with qemu or lxc as a hypervisor and have all the NICs you want | 19:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | dsockwell: thats what i'm doing to get around my 2-nic limitation on the network node | 19:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | the controller and net nodes are VMs | 19:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | pablokbs: what exactly are you trying to do with shorewall? openstack has an internal way of managing firewall rules with security groups | 19:34 |
| pablokbs | Sam-I-Am: that would work | 19:34 |
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| pablokbs | i just want to nat some ports, like 89 | 19:34 |
| pablokbs | 80* or 443 | 19:34 |
| pablokbs | maybe I should read about all that concepts | 19:35 |
| pablokbs | is there any openstack for dummies guide? | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah i'd just use security groups for that | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | its basically iptables | 19:35 |
| pablokbs | sure | 19:35 |
| pablokbs | like amazon | 19:35 |
| pablokbs | http://devstack.org/guides/single-machine.html | 19:36 |
| pablokbs | i'm using this guide | 19:36 |
| pablokbs | what's floating range? | 19:36 |
| pablokbs | fixed_range it's like the internal network between the virtual machines, right? | 19:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | floating is IPs usually reachable by the outside world | 19:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | fixed is internal IPs | 19:37 |
| dsockwell | so i have 2 security groups, default and ssh/web, and 2 guests, one in each security group but both on the same internal network. Both instances have floating IPs. security groups appear to fail open with all ports on both VMs available from my LAN (which is inside the defined external network) and from one vm to the other. | 19:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | out of the box, your VMs will use an internal IP. they can see the world via NAT, but not back in | 19:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if you assign a floating IP to the VM, it will 1:1 NAT it with the fixed IP and permit access via security groups | 19:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so pinging $floatingip will ping $fixedip | 19:38 |
| pablokbs | Sam-I-Am: right, can I have several floating ranges? because I have some public IPs for my dedicated server, but they are in different ranges | 19:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | sshing to $floatingip sshs to $fixedip | 19:39 |
| pablokbs | Sam-I-Am: got it, nice | 19:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 19:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | as long as the networks are there | 19:39 |
| pablokbs | sure | 19:39 |
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| pablokbs | can I assign a ip for certaing port to a VM and the same ip for another port to another VM ? | 19:39 |
| dsockwell | pablokbs: i think you'd assign each block as a subnet to your external netwrork | 19:39 |
| pablokbs | dsockwell: thanks | 19:39 |
| dsockwell | no i don't think you can do that with just openstack | 19:39 |
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| pablokbs | I can't use the same ip for 2 vms for example? | 19:40 |
| dsockwell | if you really need that you'll have to use a firewall guest like you wanted | 19:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | internal IPs can be duplicated by different tenants i think, but not external IPs | 19:40 |
| pablokbs | I can have a VM who acts like a firewall | 19:41 |
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| pablokbs | and nat from there | 19:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 19:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats fwaas | 19:41 |
| pablokbs | :D | 19:41 |
| dsockwell | or sometimes load balancing | 19:41 |
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| pablokbs | yep | 19:41 |
| dsockwell | depending on exactly how | 19:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | but you probably want to figure out openstack first | 19:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | before delving into that mess | 19:41 |
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| pablokbs | haha, yes | 19:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron is difficult to grasp | 19:41 |
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| dsockwell | i had to draw pictures to understand neutron and i still don't get parts of it | 19:42 |
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| pablokbs | the main reason I'm doing this if four cloud-init, that's really cool | 19:42 |
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| pablokbs | i'm a sysadmin for a dev company, I want to give the hability to create instances to developers, and automatically setup a dev server | 19:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dsockwell: your problem is kind of odd | 19:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dsockwell: probably requires poking at the iptables rules on strange interfaces | 19:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | pablokbs: openstack is pretty cool, but also takes a lot of time to become proficient enough to offer a production environment | 19:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | it breaks in interesting ways | 19:44 |
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| pablokbs | so are you saying that's still not suitable for production ? | 19:45 |
| dsockwell | Sam-I-Am: so i shouldn't have to create a second internal network? | 19:45 |
| dsockwell | because that's what i'm trying now | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | its fine for production, but it takes some effort for YOU to be comfortable | 19:46 |
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| dsockwell | i can go straight to iptables though | 19:46 |
| pablokbs | Sam-I-Am: got it | 19:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dsockwell: i would think you can apply one secgroup to one vm and another to another vm on the same network | 19:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | since those iptables are on a per-vm basis on the compute node | 19:46 |
| dsockwell | right | 19:46 |
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| dsockwell | should neutron be telling me about some firewall rules at this point? | 19:47 |
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| pablokbs | thank you Sam-I-Am I will play a little with some VM on my computer before running the installer on the server | 19:47 |
| dsockwell | pablokbs: i found the puppetlabs-openstack package to be pretty good, except maybe it gave me a firewall problem | 19:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | dsockwell: should... at least it needs to know about them | 19:48 |
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| pablokbs | dsockwell: I do use puppet, are you talking about the new grizzly module? | 19:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | dsockwell: have you seen this? i think you have. http://openstack.redhat.com/Networking_in_too_much_detail | 19:49 |
| pablokbs | becuase is not compatible with debian nor ubuntu :( | 19:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | its pretty good explaining where to find stuff | 19:49 |
| dsockwell | pablokbs: worked for havana for me | 19:49 |
| pablokbs | on ubuntu ? | 19:49 |
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| dsockwell | on ubuntu, yes | 19:49 |
| pablokbs | nice, I will look into that now | 19:49 |
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| dsockwell | i had to get it from github with the stable/havana branch | 19:50 |
| dsockwell | which is new as of about last thursday | 19:50 |
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| dsockwell | and ignore all the docs on forge.puppetlabs.com | 19:50 |
| pablokbs | ooh that's the catch | 19:50 |
| dsockwell | the manifests have good (if really badly redundant) example headers though | 19:51 |
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| pablokbs | if I can do this with puppet, it will be great, because I have 4 dedicated servers to install :P | 19:51 |
| dsockwell | well | 19:51 |
| dsockwell | i'll keep you posted | 19:51 |
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| pablokbs | dsockwell: thanks for the help | 19:53 |
| pablokbs | i'm checking out this puppet module | 19:54 |
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| dsockwell | http://pastebin.com/t7saHPrd | 19:54 |
| dsockwell | so neutron knows about security groups but not firewalls (at least not the way i asked about them) | 19:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did you tell it to use the correct firewall method? | 19:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | i.e., not the NoOp firewall | 19:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | and it has to be consistent everywhere.. | 19:55 |
| dsockwell | i wonder | 19:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i gotta run... back later hopefully | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | or tomorrow | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | time for happy fun meetings | 19:56 |
| dsockwell | hurray! | 19:57 |
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| dsockwell | oop - nova.conf has the noop driver | 19:57 |
| dsockwell | wait that's to enable neutron to handle it | 19:58 |
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| dsockwell | it's looking like firewall-list is more for fwaas (which i might need) than explicitly for security groups | 19:59 |
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| dsockwell | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/openstack/dev/32804 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1248859 seem to describe the behavior i'm seeing | 20:03 |
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| dsockwell | going to try switching out the vif driver as described on the mailing list | 20:06 |
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| stevem_ | hello friends. | 20:51 |
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| stevem_ | on my controller i have namesapce network visable using `ip netns show` | 20:52 |
| stevem_ | but on my compute nodes i dont see that | 20:52 |
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| stevem_ | should my compute nores have a namespace network? | 20:52 |
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| badams | stevem_: don't believe so | 20:55 |
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| CaptainTacoSauce | correct, no | 21:18 |
| CaptainTacoSauce | actually, let me back up, that's assuming neutron, I have no idea for nova-network | 21:18 |
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| larsks | CaptainTacoSauce: namespaces are only used for quantum/neutron. When using neutron, you only see namespaces on the network controller. | 21:24 |
| larsks | So stevem_ is seeing what one would expect. | 21:25 |
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