Sunday, 2013-12-15

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mrproperSam-I-Am: Guess what I'm doing!01:56
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mrproperAnyone here okay with rabbit and debugging why neutron-server wont' start? Its getting errors that it cannot connect to controller:5467 or whatever port02:47
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kseifriedcan you telnet to that port?03:03
kseifriedor nmap scan it or otherise see if it's open/responding?03:03
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mrproperkseifried: Yes, I posted something on aoo a few moments ago.03:12
mrproperkseifried: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/8771/neutron-server-cannot-talk-to-amqp/03:12
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kseifriedthat telnet was from the same machine?03:14
mrproperIt was from the neutron node, yes03:14
mrproperIf you want I can setup a quick screen sharing session and you can see.03:15
kseifriedno thanks03:15
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kseifriedI don't take weird data from strangers, my mom gets angry if I do03:15
mrproperBut she's in the hospital and told me to pick you up!03:16
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kseifriedso this is fucked up03:17
kseifriedI can't find 50gig bluray disks, blank, cheaper per gig than a hard drive03:17
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kseifriedso I am literally better off buying external 3tb disks03:17
mrproperFor what?03:17
kseifriedbackups03:18
kseifriedoffsite03:18
mrproperInteresting.03:18
mrproperI never would have thought to put it on blu-ray anwyays03:18
kseifriedlike I know I can get cheaper per gig from tape03:18
kseifriedbut the up front cost. wowwwwwww03:18
mrproperYou looked at that Amazon Glacier?03:18
kseifriedway pricier03:18
kseifried$0.01 per gig03:18
kseifriedper month03:19
kseifriedwait or is that for ever wtf03:19
kseifriedyeah it's per month03:20
mrproperHow much storage do you need?03:20
* mrproper smacks RabbitMQ03:21
kseifriednot a huge amount prolly 1-10tb per year03:21
kseifriedplus multiple copies03:21
mrproperI use so little storage. I feel weird compared to my friend.03:21
kseifriedkids, photos/videos/etc03:21
mrproperI don't think I have more than 500GB of data, let alone what I want to back up03:21
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kseifriedyeah the cheapest 25gig disks I can find locally are like 1% more than an external hd03:24
kseifrieder 1% less03:24
kseifriedbut not having to swap disks makes that 1% moot03:24
mrproperWhere do you physically store them03:25
kseifrieddeposit box03:25
kseifriedanything that burns my house and the bank down is .. well a nuke would do it =)03:25
mrproperkseifried: Do you have an OpenStack setup running? If so, do you see your message process (Rabbit in my case) listening on 5672 when you do a lsof +M -i403:26
kseifriednot locall yorry03:26
kseifriedalso red hat uses qpid03:26
mrproperI know, but I'm assuming they work similar03:27
kseifriedoin theory yeaup03:27
mrproperI don't see a *:5672 (LISTEN) line03:27
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kseifriedis it running?03:29
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mrproperIt's running, yeah.03:29
mrproperI can connect to the port locally and it shows up in lsof. But if I do it from neutron server, it doesn't.03:30
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mrproperI noticed I don't have a rabbitmq.conf file. Wondering if it's not listening to the right IP addresses.03:31
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kseifriednetstat -vatn | grep 567203:31
kseifriedshows?03:31
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mrpropertcp6       0      0 :::5672                 :::*                    LISTEN03:32
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mrproperWell, a whole lot.03:32
mrproperHere...03:32
mrproperhttp://pastebin.com/kwf67iW103:32
kseifriedtcp6...03:33
kseifriedand no tcp4....03:33
kseifriedthere's yer problem =)03:33
mrproperExactly03:33
kseifriedyour system prefers ipv6 by default, so the no config is doing it I bet03:33
* kseifried really wonders if he'll see widespread ipv6 in his lifetime03:34
mrproperI'm not sure.03:34
mrproperI hope we do.03:34
kseifriedwell I probably will only live another 60 years so... who knows :P maybe03:34
mrproperNow to find a rabbitmq.conf file03:34
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kseifriedmaybe also disable ipv6 if you're not using it03:36
mrproperI'm not, but let me try this first.03:38
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mrproperMy config file must not be right.03:38
mrproperStill not listening03:38
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mrproperkseifried: Okay interesting. When I do a telnet locally to the 10.200.1.1 address instead of localhost, it certainly showsup in my lsof03:40
mrproperBut over the network i guess not03:40
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mrproperkseifried: Order those hard drives?03:45
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mrproperSam-I-Am: This shit sucks.03:55
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kseifriedI gotta do math, cause the problem is with a 3tb disk I won't have many copies of the data, whereas with 25gig or 50gig blurays I'll have multiple copies03:58
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mrproperWhy not a couple 1.5TB03:59
kseifriedcost per gig03:59
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kseifried4tb is actually cheapest, 27 gigs per dollar03:59
mrproperWow, that's a large hd03:59
kseifried1tb is like 12 gigs per dollar03:59
GeraintJonesYes 4th is cheap04:00
kseifriedwhat is weird is the external seagate drives are cheaper than the internal ones04:00
GeraintJonesbut - they are also very expensive04:00
kseifriedwhat kind of skany ass drives are they using in these? :P04:00
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GeraintJonesif you are backing up 4tb then you need 2 in raid1 or 3 in raid504:00
kseifrieduhm. no. but thanks for playing04:01
GeraintJonesif you loose one then the rebuild time is HUGE04:01
GeraintJonesseriously you are going to go to the effort of backing up 4tb but not protecting your backup ?04:01
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GeraintJonesno point in having the backup then is there.04:01
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kseifriedso any event catastrophic enough to take out my main file server, the backup file server and the stuff stored at the bank... I got bigger problems to worry about04:02
ik_#tempest04:02
GeraintJonesso then why bother ?04:02
kseifrieduhmm because my house might burn down?04:02
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GeraintJonesbut then it would be on your backup fileserver04:03
kseifrieduhm/. that's in the house04:03
GeraintJonesso move that out of the house and your problem goes away.04:03
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GeraintJones<mrproper>tcp6      0      0 :::5672                :::*                    LISTEN04:09
GeraintJonesThats a red herring04:09
mrproperGeraintJones: It is huh?04:09
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GeraintJonesYeah - when you connect from a v4 address internally you will get mapped to ::FFFF:ip.address.here04:10
mrproperOh okay04:10
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GeraintJonesjust do "tcpdump -i eth0 dst port 5672"04:11
GeraintJonesmake sure you have traffic :)04:11
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mrproperGeraintJones: Any way to filter the source IP address?04:11
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kseifriedman tcpdump04:12
kseifriedlots of options04:12
GeraintJoneshttp://packetlife.net/blog/2008/oct/18/cheat-sheets-tcpdump-and-wireshark/04:13
GeraintJonesnetstat -ln | grep 567204:14
GeraintJonestcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:15672           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN04:14
GeraintJonestcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:55672           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN04:14
GeraintJonestcp6       0      0 :::5672                 :::*                    LISTEN04:14
GeraintJonesso your v6 binding looks totally normal to me04:14
mrproperGeraintJones: It seems to be showing traffic when I do that telnet04:14
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GeraintJonesso you don't have an ip issue :)04:14
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mrproperGeraintJones: Would neutron-server be stating ampq is unreachable if it is having auth problems?04:16
GeraintJonesquite possibly04:17
GeraintJoneslook at /var/log/rabbitmq/rabbit@,hostname..log04:17
GeraintJoneserr /var/log/rabbitmq/rabbit@<hostname>.log04:18
mrproperGeraintJones: Yeah invalid creds04:19
GeraintJonescool04:19
mrproperNow...why?04:19
mrproperIt is guest/guest by default, right?04:19
GeraintJonesbecause they are set wrong in the config compared to the rabbit box ?04:19
GeraintJonesyeah04:19
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mrproperrabbit_password = guest04:20
mrproperrabbit_userid = guest04:20
GeraintJonesjust comment them out04:20
GeraintJonesthat will make it use defaults04:20
mrproperNope, no progress04:21
mrproperSame thing04:21
GeraintJonescan you login to the rabbit webui with those creeds ?04:21
mrproperThere's a rabbit webui?04:21
mrproperHow do I do that04:22
GeraintJoneshttp://ipaddress:1567204:22
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GeraintJonesyou probably need to do "rabbitmq-plugins enable rabbitmq_management" at the cli first04:23
mrproperIt doesn't look like it's working at all period04:23
mrproperI don't have a rabbitmq-plugins04:23
GeraintJoneswhat os ?04:24
mrproperDebian stable04:24
GeraintJonescat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/rabbitmq.list04:24
GeraintJonesdeb http://www.rabbitmq.com/debian/ testing main04:24
GeraintJonesadd that and update ir04:24
GeraintJonesi bed detain sets a different guest pass :)04:24
GeraintJonestypical debian04:25
mrproperWhen I manually run Nova locally it works though04:25
GeraintJonesi "bed detain"04:25
GeraintJoneslol04:25
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GeraintJonesI have been up far too long04:25
mrproperLooks like I need to import a key for the rabbitmq repo04:26
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mrproperGeraintJones: Boom I fixed it04:27
mrproperI did a rabbitmqctl change-password guest guest04:27
GeraintJoneswget http://www.rabbitmq.com/rabbitmq-signing-key-public.asc04:27
GeraintJonessudo apt-key add rabbitmq-signing-key-public.asc04:27
mrproperThe process starts04:30
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mrproperneutron-server that is04:30
mrproperShould I see the connection from my neutron node when I do a lsof +M -i404:31
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mrpropertcp6       0      0 controller:amqp         neutron:41255           ESTABLISHED04:32
mrproperLooks good04:32
mrproperOkay my laptop is almost out of battery so I'm done for the night. Thanks for your help/04:32
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ik_is there a way to configure tempest only for keystone and cinder?08:07
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ik_hi08:08
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morganfainbergik, i am not sure but there is a conf, you might be able to limit the scenarios08:12
morganfainbergik_ ^ i also haven't looked at that part of tempest in a while08:12
morganfainbergik_, but see what you can do with the config (best place to point you from waht I know)08:12
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ik_ok sure.. thanks will have look into that..08:14
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mrproperDoes OVS need to be installed on a dedicated controller node?14:52
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Sam-I-Ammrproper: moo14:53
mrproperHey Sam-I-Am14:53
rdomrproper: only if it is running as the network host, or is hosting the L3/DHCP agents14:53
rdomrproper: if it's just the neutron-server then, no14:53
Sam-I-Ammrproper: just the agent thinger does14:53
Sam-I-Ambut not the ovs daemons14:54
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mrproper"The dedicated controller node does not need to run Open vSwitch or the Open vSwitch agent."14:54
rdoanyone using OpenStack w/ Debian? if so, what's the default rpc broker?14:54
Sam-I-Amrdo: rabbit14:54
rdomrproper: indeed, but teh controller could be the network host too :-)14:54
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mrproperOh I know. I submitted a bug on it.14:55
rdoSam-I-Am: cool - thx14:55
mrproperSam-I-Am: BTW, what do I do to set the IP address of br-ex?14:55
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Sam-I-Ammrproper: i have neutron-common, neutron-plugin-openvswitch, and neutron-server14:56
rdomrproper: which OS?14:56
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mrproperUbuntu14:56
Sam-I-Amso its not the agent... but the plugin14:56
Sam-I-Ambasically neutron needs to know what kind of networking you're using14:56
Sam-I-Ammrproper: i have no ip address on br-ex14:56
Sam-I-Ambut i guess you could have one14:56
Sam-I-Amit would be some IP on the network on which it is attached14:56
mrproperSam-I-Am: But how does it get the IP? I thought eth0 would have no IP and then br-ex has an IP14:57
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Sam-I-Ami dont know what your arch looks like14:57
Sam-I-Amin my case, br-ex is associated with a third interface on the network node14:58
Sam-I-Amit lives on the 'external' network, but has no ip14:58
Sam-I-Amfloatingips live there14:58
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mrproperOh, so my setup may be different.14:59
mrproperBlech okay14:59
Sam-I-Amhee14:59
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mrproperSam-I-Am: I'm thinking sometime of doing version control on the config files15:01
Sam-I-Amrdo: did you say you had some relationship to rdo folks at redhat?15:01
Sam-I-Ammrproper: i just save off the original and compare my changes with diff.  larger changes get copied to another backup.15:01
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rdoSam-I-Am: well, I wouldn't say relationship... I work for Red Hat :)15:04
Sam-I-Amoh, heh15:04
Sam-I-Amrdo: any chance you can get someone to poke at this?15:05
Sam-I-Amhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=103447615:05
rdomrproper: not sure how to do it on Ubuntu but if you fix an IP for br-ex in /etc/network (or whatever it is) and make sure you add the physical nic to the ovs-bridge with the same name, that should be good enough (make sure you restart the network services though) and if you're ssh'd in on that interface, it will drop15:05
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* rdo looks Sam-I-Am 15:05
rdothanks Sam-I-Am, will do15:06
Sam-I-Amrdo: seems that rdo defaults to neutron now, but doesn't indicate those steps in the quickstart guide15:06
Sam-I-Amso people just wind up with broken networking15:06
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rdoSam-I-Am: aye, ok.. will speak to some of the folks15:08
rdoappreciate the heads-up15:08
Sam-I-Amrdo: thx15:08
Sam-I-Amjust tryin to fix stuff!15:09
rdoso it's only suse-based that uses kombu?15:09
Sam-I-Ami thought the kombu thing also speaks to rabbit15:09
Sam-I-Amat least thats the rpc variant i see in my deb/ubu installs15:09
Sam-I-Amrpc_backend = nova.rpc.impl_kombu15:09
Sam-I-Amfor rabbit15:10
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rdoexcellent, thanks Sam-I-Am15:10
mrproperSam-I-Am: It does15:10
rdo(forgive my ignorance for anything not rhel based)15:10
rdo;-)15:10
Sam-I-Amheh15:11
Sam-I-Amforgive my ignorance for anything not debian based :)15:11
Sam-I-Amalthough i'm trying to run openstack on both15:12
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rdoSam-I-Am: just writing a few patches to the docs; want to make sure that my changes don't break other distributions !15:12
Sam-I-Ami'm running on both distros now so i can update docs for both15:13
mrproperSam-I-Am: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/install-neutron.configure-networks.html <-- Step 3, would you think it should show you how to create the tenant?15:17
rdounless we've already created the demo tenant? either way, it's not obvious ( mrproper )15:18
rdoplease raise a doc bug15:19
Sam-I-Ammrproper: i know about that one15:19
Sam-I-Amthere might be a bug for it already, can't remember15:19
rdoSam-I-Am: based on your deb experience.. does it automatically configure the rpc in cinder for you? or do you need to manually configure cinder rpc/rabbit configurations?15:19
Sam-I-Amrdo: i find most components default to rabbit, probably due to directives during build, but assume localhost, userid guest, password guest for it15:21
Sam-I-Amwhich... may work or not, depending on your config15:21
rdoyeah :/15:22
Sam-I-Amthe redhat packages seem to assume qpid but also dont set credentials15:22
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rdoI'll submit my patch and see if others pick up on it :-D15:22
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Sam-I-Amlet me know which one it is so i can peek15:22
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mrproperSam-I-Am: I have my networks setup!15:23
Sam-I-Ammrproper: wooooo15:24
mrproperI'm sure this doesn't work the first time :)15:24
Sam-I-Ammy last run through of the ubu install guide worked15:25
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Sam-I-Ami need to make some breakfast... brb15:26
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mrproperSam-I-Am: Yes, but I've done this configuration over two weeks, not all at once.15:30
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mrproperSpinning up an instance, lets see how bad this fails.15:34
mrproperOh it fails.15:38
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mrproperERROR: The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation. (HTTP 500) (Request-ID: req-f2e61acd-8a15:40
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Sam-I-Ammrproper: probably a typo in one of your configs.  you're good at those :)15:42
mrproperOh I know!15:42
mrproper2013-12-15 09:37:29.229 2899 INFO nova.osapi_compute.wsgi.server [req-a0ad3075-a217-4db5-98cf-78c286ce164b 87d6cf2d2dee4b2986affb4ae3e70f99 670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2] 10.200.1.1 "GET /v2/670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2/flavors/m1.tiny HTTP/1.1" status: 404 len: 272 time: 0.022819015:43
mrproperIs that a problem?15:44
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mrproper2013-12-15 09:38:43.913 2899 INFO nova.api.openstack [req-f2e61acd-8abd-47de-b072-47a7654cefde 87d6cf2d2dee4b2986affb4ae3e70f99 670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2] http://controller:8774/v2/670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2/servers returned with HTTP 50015:45
Sam-I-Amnova flavor-list ?15:45
mrproper| 1  | m1.tiny   | 512       | 1    | 0         |      | 1     | 1.0         | True      |15:45
mrpropernova boot --flavor m1.tiny --image Cirros --nic net-id=ded3bc69-0df4-47ea-a606-413ce8859bab Cirros-115:45
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Sam-I-Amwhat generated that error? compute node or controller?15:46
mrproperThat's on controller15:46
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Sam-I-Amas which tenant did you run flavor-list?15:48
mrproperadmin15:49
mrproperGood call there btw15:49
mrproperI wasn't using the right tenant15:49
mrproperDamn it15:49
Sam-I-Amyou get a 5 yard penalty15:49
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mrproperSam-I-Am: Actually I take it back, I think I was good with tenant stuff15:54
mrproperBooting now, lets see.15:55
mrproperError15:55
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mrproper2013-12-15 09:55:25.222 1583 ERROR nova.openstack.common.rpc.common [-] AMQP server on controller:5672 is unreachable: Socket clo15:55
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Sam-I-Amrrrrabbit15:56
mrproperOkay fixed that15:56
mrproperHmmm...15:57
mrproperIt's immediately erroring15:57
mrproperMaybe not so immediate15:58
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mrproperSam-I-Am: Yours took a while to get out of BUILD state sometimes, right?16:00
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Sam-I-Amyup16:01
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mrproperStill in BUILD/scheduling16:02
Sam-I-Amrdo: so on ubuntu, apparently lvm comes with the base install16:03
mrproperYeah this can't be right.16:03
mrproperWe're going on 5 minutes16:03
Sam-I-Amrdo: actually, its on my scientific linux box too :/16:03
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mrproperSam-I-Am: Does it make sense for me to manually create an instance in qemu to make sure that's working properly?16:05
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Sam-I-Amyou could try, but i'm not sure thats your problem16:06
Sam-I-Amwhat do the logs say?16:06
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mrproperWhich logs? So far I'm not seeing anything too exciting16:06
mrproper2013-12-15 15:56:31.499+0000: 1660: error : virExec:418 : Cannot find 'pm-is-supported' in path: No such file or directory16:06
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Sam-I-Amcompute i'd think...16:07
mrproperNothing in compute on compute16:07
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Sam-I-Amonly thing i can think of is something missed or typo'd16:08
Sam-I-Ami find those things happen more when i stretch a config over a long period16:08
Sam-I-Amthe ubuntu stack i built last week from the install guide took about 4 hours and worked when i was done16:09
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mrproperrabbit_virtual_host = /16:13
mrproperWhat is that set at for you in glance-api16:13
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Sam-I-Am /16:14
Sam-I-Amand thats the default16:14
mrproperThat's what I thought16:14
Sam-I-Amnothing said to change it16:14
mrproperI really don't want to start from scratch16:15
mrproperBut it does give me a great opportunity to version control everything.16:15
Sam-I-Amits probably something small somewhere16:16
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mrproperI know, that's what sucks16:17
mrproperI'm wondering if I'm specifying IP addresses incorrectly16:18
mrproperLike, mixing management, internal, and external addresses16:18
mrproperDoes the my_ip value affect any of this in nova.conf16:19
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Sam-I-Ammy_ip should be the ip used for management16:20
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mrproperChanging that value caused it to break, lets see errors16:22
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mrproperWhen I source admin user and run nova list, it works. When I source kbreit it returns 50016:23
Sam-I-Amdoes kbriet belong to a tenant?  does the tenant have the right role?16:24
Sam-I-Amsounds like some step was missed there16:24
Sam-I-Amtry the tenant creation steps in the grizzly guide16:24
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mrproperI created a member role yes16:29
mrproperAll associated16:29
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mrproperWell hmm16:29
mrproperShould the member role be created by admin16:29
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mrproperI have a member role16:32
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mrproperHow do I see what role a user is assigned to? user-role-list isn't showing16:33
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mrproperAt least it's not working outside the admin sourcing16:37
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Sam-I-Ami dunno... wondered that myself16:38
Sam-I-Amthere's probably some magic switch missing16:38
mrproperSam-I-Am: Yes the role is associated properly16:40
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mrproperMaybe tomorrow I'll start everything fresh16:42
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mrproperEspecially now that the documentation seems better16:43
rdoSam-I-Am: I think the issue is that in *some* builds it's not included16:43
rdoSam-I-Am: so some people have complained that the documents are "not complete", i.e. the commands fail if the packages are not available16:44
rdofor completeness we should really add this to RHEL16:45
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Sam-I-Amrdo: i think it makes sense to verify installation of prerequisite packages16:47
Sam-I-Amrdo: ideally, each section should include a list of prerequisites including package names and any configuration16:47
Sam-I-Amrdo: providing the same look and feel as much as possible to each section will help users and maintainers16:48
Sam-I-Ammrproper: durrr16:49
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Sam-I-Ammrproper: my suggestion...16:55
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mrproperSam-I-Am: Sorry, what's your suggestion :)16:56
Sam-I-Ammrproper: save the original version of everything you touch as .orig so you can diff later... provides a nice short list of everything you change which is easy to compare with the docs.  or do your rcs thing.16:56
Sam-I-Ammrproper: take your time... i think you're prone to typos :)16:56
Sam-I-Amand a typo in openstack could cause all sorts of obscure errors16:56
mrproperI think the diffs will go a long way16:56
mrproperI wish OpenStack did a better job of helping us find the problem instead of "Start fresh"16:56
isAAAc^^16:57
Sam-I-Amthats why i use the .orig and diff thing16:57
isAAActhe best in wosrt16:57
Sam-I-Ami've used that method for years and find it quite helpful16:57
isAAAcworst*16:57
Sam-I-Amthe error messages do need to be a bit more helpful16:57
Sam-I-Amsometimes its just the matter of finding where the error might appear16:57
mrproperI wonder if Neutron is shitting itself16:58
Sam-I-Amplenty of situations where some issue between A and B shows up on C16:58
Sam-I-Amso you bang your head on C for a while16:58
Sam-I-Amthen break it, although it was never the problem16:58
mrproperSam-I-Am: I may just go with the .orig. Keeps things simpler but makes it easy if I want to move into rcs later17:00
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Sam-I-Ammrproper: i think your luck with openstack is like mine with baking17:01
Sam-I-Ammrproper: you forgot the equivalent of an egg somewhere17:01
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mrproperHaha17:02
mrproperI'd prefer to bake17:02
mrproperSam-I-Am: Funny you say that. An egg is stuck to the carton and broke17:03
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TSCHAKMacI'm a bit puzzled, I have a new OpenStack cluster made, and everything seems to be working correctly _EXCEPT_ the metadata (169.254.169.254) service. What could I look at to debug this?19:44
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