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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Guess what I'm doing! | 01:56 |
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mrproper | Anyone here okay with rabbit and debugging why neutron-server wont' start? Its getting errors that it cannot connect to controller:5467 or whatever port | 02:47 |
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kseifried | can you telnet to that port? | 03:03 |
kseifried | or nmap scan it or otherise see if it's open/responding? | 03:03 |
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mrproper | kseifried: Yes, I posted something on aoo a few moments ago. | 03:12 |
mrproper | kseifried: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/8771/neutron-server-cannot-talk-to-amqp/ | 03:12 |
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kseifried | that telnet was from the same machine? | 03:14 |
mrproper | It was from the neutron node, yes | 03:14 |
mrproper | If you want I can setup a quick screen sharing session and you can see. | 03:15 |
kseifried | no thanks | 03:15 |
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kseifried | I don't take weird data from strangers, my mom gets angry if I do | 03:15 |
mrproper | But she's in the hospital and told me to pick you up! | 03:16 |
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kseifried | so this is fucked up | 03:17 |
kseifried | I can't find 50gig bluray disks, blank, cheaper per gig than a hard drive | 03:17 |
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kseifried | so I am literally better off buying external 3tb disks | 03:17 |
mrproper | For what? | 03:17 |
kseifried | backups | 03:18 |
kseifried | offsite | 03:18 |
mrproper | Interesting. | 03:18 |
mrproper | I never would have thought to put it on blu-ray anwyays | 03:18 |
kseifried | like I know I can get cheaper per gig from tape | 03:18 |
kseifried | but the up front cost. wowwwwwww | 03:18 |
mrproper | You looked at that Amazon Glacier? | 03:18 |
kseifried | way pricier | 03:18 |
kseifried | $0.01 per gig | 03:18 |
kseifried | per month | 03:19 |
kseifried | wait or is that for ever wtf | 03:19 |
kseifried | yeah it's per month | 03:20 |
mrproper | How much storage do you need? | 03:20 |
* mrproper smacks RabbitMQ | 03:21 | |
kseifried | not a huge amount prolly 1-10tb per year | 03:21 |
kseifried | plus multiple copies | 03:21 |
mrproper | I use so little storage. I feel weird compared to my friend. | 03:21 |
kseifried | kids, photos/videos/etc | 03:21 |
mrproper | I don't think I have more than 500GB of data, let alone what I want to back up | 03:21 |
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kseifried | yeah the cheapest 25gig disks I can find locally are like 1% more than an external hd | 03:24 |
kseifried | er 1% less | 03:24 |
kseifried | but not having to swap disks makes that 1% moot | 03:24 |
mrproper | Where do you physically store them | 03:25 |
kseifried | deposit box | 03:25 |
kseifried | anything that burns my house and the bank down is .. well a nuke would do it =) | 03:25 |
mrproper | kseifried: Do you have an OpenStack setup running? If so, do you see your message process (Rabbit in my case) listening on 5672 when you do a lsof +M -i4 | 03:26 |
kseifried | not locall yorry | 03:26 |
kseifried | also red hat uses qpid | 03:26 |
mrproper | I know, but I'm assuming they work similar | 03:27 |
kseifried | oin theory yeaup | 03:27 |
mrproper | I don't see a *:5672 (LISTEN) line | 03:27 |
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kseifried | is it running? | 03:29 |
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mrproper | It's running, yeah. | 03:29 |
mrproper | I can connect to the port locally and it shows up in lsof. But if I do it from neutron server, it doesn't. | 03:30 |
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mrproper | I noticed I don't have a rabbitmq.conf file. Wondering if it's not listening to the right IP addresses. | 03:31 |
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kseifried | netstat -vatn | grep 5672 | 03:31 |
kseifried | shows? | 03:31 |
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mrproper | tcp6 0 0 :::5672 :::* LISTEN | 03:32 |
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mrproper | Well, a whole lot. | 03:32 |
mrproper | Here... | 03:32 |
mrproper | http://pastebin.com/kwf67iW1 | 03:32 |
kseifried | tcp6... | 03:33 |
kseifried | and no tcp4.... | 03:33 |
kseifried | there's yer problem =) | 03:33 |
mrproper | Exactly | 03:33 |
kseifried | your system prefers ipv6 by default, so the no config is doing it I bet | 03:33 |
* kseifried really wonders if he'll see widespread ipv6 in his lifetime | 03:34 | |
mrproper | I'm not sure. | 03:34 |
mrproper | I hope we do. | 03:34 |
kseifried | well I probably will only live another 60 years so... who knows :P maybe | 03:34 |
mrproper | Now to find a rabbitmq.conf file | 03:34 |
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kseifried | maybe also disable ipv6 if you're not using it | 03:36 |
mrproper | I'm not, but let me try this first. | 03:38 |
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mrproper | My config file must not be right. | 03:38 |
mrproper | Still not listening | 03:38 |
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mrproper | kseifried: Okay interesting. When I do a telnet locally to the 10.200.1.1 address instead of localhost, it certainly showsup in my lsof | 03:40 |
mrproper | But over the network i guess not | 03:40 |
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mrproper | kseifried: Order those hard drives? | 03:45 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: This shit sucks. | 03:55 |
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kseifried | I gotta do math, cause the problem is with a 3tb disk I won't have many copies of the data, whereas with 25gig or 50gig blurays I'll have multiple copies | 03:58 |
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mrproper | Why not a couple 1.5TB | 03:59 |
kseifried | cost per gig | 03:59 |
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kseifried | 4tb is actually cheapest, 27 gigs per dollar | 03:59 |
mrproper | Wow, that's a large hd | 03:59 |
kseifried | 1tb is like 12 gigs per dollar | 03:59 |
GeraintJones | Yes 4th is cheap | 04:00 |
kseifried | what is weird is the external seagate drives are cheaper than the internal ones | 04:00 |
GeraintJones | but - they are also very expensive | 04:00 |
kseifried | what kind of skany ass drives are they using in these? :P | 04:00 |
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GeraintJones | if you are backing up 4tb then you need 2 in raid1 or 3 in raid5 | 04:00 |
kseifried | uhm. no. but thanks for playing | 04:01 |
GeraintJones | if you loose one then the rebuild time is HUGE | 04:01 |
GeraintJones | seriously you are going to go to the effort of backing up 4tb but not protecting your backup ? | 04:01 |
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GeraintJones | no point in having the backup then is there. | 04:01 |
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kseifried | so any event catastrophic enough to take out my main file server, the backup file server and the stuff stored at the bank... I got bigger problems to worry about | 04:02 |
ik_ | #tempest | 04:02 |
GeraintJones | so then why bother ? | 04:02 |
kseifried | uhmm because my house might burn down? | 04:02 |
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GeraintJones | but then it would be on your backup fileserver | 04:03 |
kseifried | uhm/. that's in the house | 04:03 |
GeraintJones | so move that out of the house and your problem goes away. | 04:03 |
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GeraintJones | <mrproper>tcp6 0 0 :::5672 :::* LISTEN | 04:09 |
GeraintJones | Thats a red herring | 04:09 |
mrproper | GeraintJones: It is huh? | 04:09 |
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GeraintJones | Yeah - when you connect from a v4 address internally you will get mapped to ::FFFF:ip.address.here | 04:10 |
mrproper | Oh okay | 04:10 |
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GeraintJones | just do "tcpdump -i eth0 dst port 5672" | 04:11 |
GeraintJones | make sure you have traffic :) | 04:11 |
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mrproper | GeraintJones: Any way to filter the source IP address? | 04:11 |
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kseifried | man tcpdump | 04:12 |
kseifried | lots of options | 04:12 |
GeraintJones | http://packetlife.net/blog/2008/oct/18/cheat-sheets-tcpdump-and-wireshark/ | 04:13 |
GeraintJones | netstat -ln | grep 5672 | 04:14 |
GeraintJones | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:15672 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN | 04:14 |
GeraintJones | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:55672 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN | 04:14 |
GeraintJones | tcp6 0 0 :::5672 :::* LISTEN | 04:14 |
GeraintJones | so your v6 binding looks totally normal to me | 04:14 |
mrproper | GeraintJones: It seems to be showing traffic when I do that telnet | 04:14 |
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GeraintJones | so you don't have an ip issue :) | 04:14 |
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mrproper | GeraintJones: Would neutron-server be stating ampq is unreachable if it is having auth problems? | 04:16 |
GeraintJones | quite possibly | 04:17 |
GeraintJones | look at /var/log/rabbitmq/rabbit@,hostname..log | 04:17 |
GeraintJones | err /var/log/rabbitmq/rabbit@<hostname>.log | 04:18 |
mrproper | GeraintJones: Yeah invalid creds | 04:19 |
GeraintJones | cool | 04:19 |
mrproper | Now...why? | 04:19 |
mrproper | It is guest/guest by default, right? | 04:19 |
GeraintJones | because they are set wrong in the config compared to the rabbit box ? | 04:19 |
GeraintJones | yeah | 04:19 |
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mrproper | rabbit_password = guest | 04:20 |
mrproper | rabbit_userid = guest | 04:20 |
GeraintJones | just comment them out | 04:20 |
GeraintJones | that will make it use defaults | 04:20 |
mrproper | Nope, no progress | 04:21 |
mrproper | Same thing | 04:21 |
GeraintJones | can you login to the rabbit webui with those creeds ? | 04:21 |
mrproper | There's a rabbit webui? | 04:21 |
mrproper | How do I do that | 04:22 |
GeraintJones | http://ipaddress:15672 | 04:22 |
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GeraintJones | you probably need to do "rabbitmq-plugins enable rabbitmq_management" at the cli first | 04:23 |
mrproper | It doesn't look like it's working at all period | 04:23 |
mrproper | I don't have a rabbitmq-plugins | 04:23 |
GeraintJones | what os ? | 04:24 |
mrproper | Debian stable | 04:24 |
GeraintJones | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/rabbitmq.list | 04:24 |
GeraintJones | deb http://www.rabbitmq.com/debian/ testing main | 04:24 |
GeraintJones | add that and update ir | 04:24 |
GeraintJones | i bed detain sets a different guest pass :) | 04:24 |
GeraintJones | typical debian | 04:25 |
mrproper | When I manually run Nova locally it works though | 04:25 |
GeraintJones | i "bed detain" | 04:25 |
GeraintJones | lol | 04:25 |
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GeraintJones | I have been up far too long | 04:25 |
mrproper | Looks like I need to import a key for the rabbitmq repo | 04:26 |
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mrproper | GeraintJones: Boom I fixed it | 04:27 |
mrproper | I did a rabbitmqctl change-password guest guest | 04:27 |
GeraintJones | wget http://www.rabbitmq.com/rabbitmq-signing-key-public.asc | 04:27 |
GeraintJones | sudo apt-key add rabbitmq-signing-key-public.asc | 04:27 |
mrproper | The process starts | 04:30 |
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mrproper | neutron-server that is | 04:30 |
mrproper | Should I see the connection from my neutron node when I do a lsof +M -i4 | 04:31 |
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mrproper | tcp6 0 0 controller:amqp neutron:41255 ESTABLISHED | 04:32 |
mrproper | Looks good | 04:32 |
mrproper | Okay my laptop is almost out of battery so I'm done for the night. Thanks for your help/ | 04:32 |
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ik_ | is there a way to configure tempest only for keystone and cinder? | 08:07 |
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ik_ | hi | 08:08 |
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morganfainberg | ik, i am not sure but there is a conf, you might be able to limit the scenarios | 08:12 |
morganfainberg | ik_ ^ i also haven't looked at that part of tempest in a while | 08:12 |
morganfainberg | ik_, but see what you can do with the config (best place to point you from waht I know) | 08:12 |
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ik_ | ok sure.. thanks will have look into that.. | 08:14 |
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mrproper | Does OVS need to be installed on a dedicated controller node? | 14:52 |
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Sam-I-Am | mrproper: moo | 14:53 |
mrproper | Hey Sam-I-Am | 14:53 |
rdo | mrproper: only if it is running as the network host, or is hosting the L3/DHCP agents | 14:53 |
rdo | mrproper: if it's just the neutron-server then, no | 14:53 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: just the agent thinger does | 14:53 |
Sam-I-Am | but not the ovs daemons | 14:54 |
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mrproper | "The dedicated controller node does not need to run Open vSwitch or the Open vSwitch agent." | 14:54 |
rdo | anyone using OpenStack w/ Debian? if so, what's the default rpc broker? | 14:54 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: rabbit | 14:54 |
rdo | mrproper: indeed, but teh controller could be the network host too :-) | 14:54 |
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mrproper | Oh I know. I submitted a bug on it. | 14:55 |
rdo | Sam-I-Am: cool - thx | 14:55 |
mrproper | Sam-I-Am: BTW, what do I do to set the IP address of br-ex? | 14:55 |
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Sam-I-Am | mrproper: i have neutron-common, neutron-plugin-openvswitch, and neutron-server | 14:56 |
rdo | mrproper: which OS? | 14:56 |
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mrproper | Ubuntu | 14:56 |
Sam-I-Am | so its not the agent... but the plugin | 14:56 |
Sam-I-Am | basically neutron needs to know what kind of networking you're using | 14:56 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: i have no ip address on br-ex | 14:56 |
Sam-I-Am | but i guess you could have one | 14:56 |
Sam-I-Am | it would be some IP on the network on which it is attached | 14:56 |
mrproper | Sam-I-Am: But how does it get the IP? I thought eth0 would have no IP and then br-ex has an IP | 14:57 |
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Sam-I-Am | i dont know what your arch looks like | 14:57 |
Sam-I-Am | in my case, br-ex is associated with a third interface on the network node | 14:58 |
Sam-I-Am | it lives on the 'external' network, but has no ip | 14:58 |
Sam-I-Am | floatingips live there | 14:58 |
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mrproper | Oh, so my setup may be different. | 14:59 |
mrproper | Blech okay | 14:59 |
Sam-I-Am | hee | 14:59 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I'm thinking sometime of doing version control on the config files | 15:01 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: did you say you had some relationship to rdo folks at redhat? | 15:01 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: i just save off the original and compare my changes with diff. larger changes get copied to another backup. | 15:01 |
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rdo | Sam-I-Am: well, I wouldn't say relationship... I work for Red Hat :) | 15:04 |
Sam-I-Am | oh, heh | 15:04 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: any chance you can get someone to poke at this? | 15:05 |
Sam-I-Am | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1034476 | 15:05 |
rdo | mrproper: not sure how to do it on Ubuntu but if you fix an IP for br-ex in /etc/network (or whatever it is) and make sure you add the physical nic to the ovs-bridge with the same name, that should be good enough (make sure you restart the network services though) and if you're ssh'd in on that interface, it will drop | 15:05 |
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rdo | thanks Sam-I-Am, will do | 15:06 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: seems that rdo defaults to neutron now, but doesn't indicate those steps in the quickstart guide | 15:06 |
Sam-I-Am | so people just wind up with broken networking | 15:06 |
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rdo | Sam-I-Am: aye, ok.. will speak to some of the folks | 15:08 |
rdo | appreciate the heads-up | 15:08 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: thx | 15:08 |
Sam-I-Am | just tryin to fix stuff! | 15:09 |
rdo | so it's only suse-based that uses kombu? | 15:09 |
Sam-I-Am | i thought the kombu thing also speaks to rabbit | 15:09 |
Sam-I-Am | at least thats the rpc variant i see in my deb/ubu installs | 15:09 |
Sam-I-Am | rpc_backend = nova.rpc.impl_kombu | 15:09 |
Sam-I-Am | for rabbit | 15:10 |
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rdo | excellent, thanks Sam-I-Am | 15:10 |
mrproper | Sam-I-Am: It does | 15:10 |
rdo | (forgive my ignorance for anything not rhel based) | 15:10 |
rdo | ;-) | 15:10 |
Sam-I-Am | heh | 15:11 |
Sam-I-Am | forgive my ignorance for anything not debian based :) | 15:11 |
Sam-I-Am | although i'm trying to run openstack on both | 15:12 |
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rdo | Sam-I-Am: just writing a few patches to the docs; want to make sure that my changes don't break other distributions ! | 15:12 |
Sam-I-Am | i'm running on both distros now so i can update docs for both | 15:13 |
mrproper | Sam-I-Am: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/install-neutron.configure-networks.html <-- Step 3, would you think it should show you how to create the tenant? | 15:17 |
rdo | unless we've already created the demo tenant? either way, it's not obvious ( mrproper ) | 15:18 |
rdo | please raise a doc bug | 15:19 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: i know about that one | 15:19 |
Sam-I-Am | there might be a bug for it already, can't remember | 15:19 |
rdo | Sam-I-Am: based on your deb experience.. does it automatically configure the rpc in cinder for you? or do you need to manually configure cinder rpc/rabbit configurations? | 15:19 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: i find most components default to rabbit, probably due to directives during build, but assume localhost, userid guest, password guest for it | 15:21 |
Sam-I-Am | which... may work or not, depending on your config | 15:21 |
rdo | yeah :/ | 15:22 |
Sam-I-Am | the redhat packages seem to assume qpid but also dont set credentials | 15:22 |
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rdo | I'll submit my patch and see if others pick up on it :-D | 15:22 |
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Sam-I-Am | let me know which one it is so i can peek | 15:22 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I have my networks setup! | 15:23 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: wooooo | 15:24 |
mrproper | I'm sure this doesn't work the first time :) | 15:24 |
Sam-I-Am | my last run through of the ubu install guide worked | 15:25 |
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Sam-I-Am | i need to make some breakfast... brb | 15:26 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Yes, but I've done this configuration over two weeks, not all at once. | 15:30 |
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mrproper | Spinning up an instance, lets see how bad this fails. | 15:34 |
mrproper | Oh it fails. | 15:38 |
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mrproper | ERROR: The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation. (HTTP 500) (Request-ID: req-f2e61acd-8a | 15:40 |
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Sam-I-Am | mrproper: probably a typo in one of your configs. you're good at those :) | 15:42 |
mrproper | Oh I know! | 15:42 |
mrproper | 2013-12-15 09:37:29.229 2899 INFO nova.osapi_compute.wsgi.server [req-a0ad3075-a217-4db5-98cf-78c286ce164b 87d6cf2d2dee4b2986affb4ae3e70f99 670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2] 10.200.1.1 "GET /v2/670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2/flavors/m1.tiny HTTP/1.1" status: 404 len: 272 time: 0.0228190 | 15:43 |
mrproper | Is that a problem? | 15:44 |
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mrproper | 2013-12-15 09:38:43.913 2899 INFO nova.api.openstack [req-f2e61acd-8abd-47de-b072-47a7654cefde 87d6cf2d2dee4b2986affb4ae3e70f99 670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2] http://controller:8774/v2/670d4fbcda7e41349348ad482dd7e7a2/servers returned with HTTP 500 | 15:45 |
Sam-I-Am | nova flavor-list ? | 15:45 |
mrproper | | 1 | m1.tiny | 512 | 1 | 0 | | 1 | 1.0 | True | | 15:45 |
mrproper | nova boot --flavor m1.tiny --image Cirros --nic net-id=ded3bc69-0df4-47ea-a606-413ce8859bab Cirros-1 | 15:45 |
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Sam-I-Am | what generated that error? compute node or controller? | 15:46 |
mrproper | That's on controller | 15:46 |
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Sam-I-Am | as which tenant did you run flavor-list? | 15:48 |
mrproper | admin | 15:49 |
mrproper | Good call there btw | 15:49 |
mrproper | I wasn't using the right tenant | 15:49 |
mrproper | Damn it | 15:49 |
Sam-I-Am | you get a 5 yard penalty | 15:49 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Actually I take it back, I think I was good with tenant stuff | 15:54 |
mrproper | Booting now, lets see. | 15:55 |
mrproper | Error | 15:55 |
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mrproper | 2013-12-15 09:55:25.222 1583 ERROR nova.openstack.common.rpc.common [-] AMQP server on controller:5672 is unreachable: Socket clo | 15:55 |
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Sam-I-Am | rrrrabbit | 15:56 |
mrproper | Okay fixed that | 15:56 |
mrproper | Hmmm... | 15:57 |
mrproper | It's immediately erroring | 15:57 |
mrproper | Maybe not so immediate | 15:58 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Yours took a while to get out of BUILD state sometimes, right? | 16:00 |
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Sam-I-Am | yup | 16:01 |
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mrproper | Still in BUILD/scheduling | 16:02 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: so on ubuntu, apparently lvm comes with the base install | 16:03 |
mrproper | Yeah this can't be right. | 16:03 |
mrproper | We're going on 5 minutes | 16:03 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: actually, its on my scientific linux box too :/ | 16:03 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Does it make sense for me to manually create an instance in qemu to make sure that's working properly? | 16:05 |
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Sam-I-Am | you could try, but i'm not sure thats your problem | 16:06 |
Sam-I-Am | what do the logs say? | 16:06 |
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mrproper | Which logs? So far I'm not seeing anything too exciting | 16:06 |
mrproper | 2013-12-15 15:56:31.499+0000: 1660: error : virExec:418 : Cannot find 'pm-is-supported' in path: No such file or directory | 16:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | compute i'd think... | 16:07 |
mrproper | Nothing in compute on compute | 16:07 |
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Sam-I-Am | only thing i can think of is something missed or typo'd | 16:08 |
Sam-I-Am | i find those things happen more when i stretch a config over a long period | 16:08 |
Sam-I-Am | the ubuntu stack i built last week from the install guide took about 4 hours and worked when i was done | 16:09 |
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mrproper | rabbit_virtual_host = / | 16:13 |
mrproper | What is that set at for you in glance-api | 16:13 |
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Sam-I-Am | / | 16:14 |
Sam-I-Am | and thats the default | 16:14 |
mrproper | That's what I thought | 16:14 |
Sam-I-Am | nothing said to change it | 16:14 |
mrproper | I really don't want to start from scratch | 16:15 |
mrproper | But it does give me a great opportunity to version control everything. | 16:15 |
Sam-I-Am | its probably something small somewhere | 16:16 |
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mrproper | I know, that's what sucks | 16:17 |
mrproper | I'm wondering if I'm specifying IP addresses incorrectly | 16:18 |
mrproper | Like, mixing management, internal, and external addresses | 16:18 |
mrproper | Does the my_ip value affect any of this in nova.conf | 16:19 |
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Sam-I-Am | my_ip should be the ip used for management | 16:20 |
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mrproper | Changing that value caused it to break, lets see errors | 16:22 |
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mrproper | When I source admin user and run nova list, it works. When I source kbreit it returns 500 | 16:23 |
Sam-I-Am | does kbriet belong to a tenant? does the tenant have the right role? | 16:24 |
Sam-I-Am | sounds like some step was missed there | 16:24 |
Sam-I-Am | try the tenant creation steps in the grizzly guide | 16:24 |
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mrproper | I created a member role yes | 16:29 |
mrproper | All associated | 16:29 |
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mrproper | Well hmm | 16:29 |
mrproper | Should the member role be created by admin | 16:29 |
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Sam-I-Am | yes | 16:31 |
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mrproper | I have a member role | 16:32 |
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mrproper | How do I see what role a user is assigned to? user-role-list isn't showing | 16:33 |
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mrproper | At least it's not working outside the admin sourcing | 16:37 |
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Sam-I-Am | i dunno... wondered that myself | 16:38 |
Sam-I-Am | there's probably some magic switch missing | 16:38 |
mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Yes the role is associated properly | 16:40 |
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mrproper | Maybe tomorrow I'll start everything fresh | 16:42 |
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mrproper | Especially now that the documentation seems better | 16:43 |
rdo | Sam-I-Am: I think the issue is that in *some* builds it's not included | 16:43 |
rdo | Sam-I-Am: so some people have complained that the documents are "not complete", i.e. the commands fail if the packages are not available | 16:44 |
rdo | for completeness we should really add this to RHEL | 16:45 |
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Sam-I-Am | rdo: i think it makes sense to verify installation of prerequisite packages | 16:47 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: ideally, each section should include a list of prerequisites including package names and any configuration | 16:47 |
Sam-I-Am | rdo: providing the same look and feel as much as possible to each section will help users and maintainers | 16:48 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: durrr | 16:49 |
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Sam-I-Am | mrproper: my suggestion... | 16:55 |
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mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Sorry, what's your suggestion :) | 16:56 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: save the original version of everything you touch as .orig so you can diff later... provides a nice short list of everything you change which is easy to compare with the docs. or do your rcs thing. | 16:56 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: take your time... i think you're prone to typos :) | 16:56 |
Sam-I-Am | and a typo in openstack could cause all sorts of obscure errors | 16:56 |
mrproper | I think the diffs will go a long way | 16:56 |
mrproper | I wish OpenStack did a better job of helping us find the problem instead of "Start fresh" | 16:56 |
isAAAc | ^^ | 16:57 |
Sam-I-Am | thats why i use the .orig and diff thing | 16:57 |
isAAAc | the best in wosrt | 16:57 |
Sam-I-Am | i've used that method for years and find it quite helpful | 16:57 |
isAAAc | worst* | 16:57 |
Sam-I-Am | the error messages do need to be a bit more helpful | 16:57 |
Sam-I-Am | sometimes its just the matter of finding where the error might appear | 16:57 |
mrproper | I wonder if Neutron is shitting itself | 16:58 |
Sam-I-Am | plenty of situations where some issue between A and B shows up on C | 16:58 |
Sam-I-Am | so you bang your head on C for a while | 16:58 |
Sam-I-Am | then break it, although it was never the problem | 16:58 |
mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I may just go with the .orig. Keeps things simpler but makes it easy if I want to move into rcs later | 17:00 |
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Sam-I-Am | da | 17:01 |
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Sam-I-Am | mrproper: i think your luck with openstack is like mine with baking | 17:01 |
Sam-I-Am | mrproper: you forgot the equivalent of an egg somewhere | 17:01 |
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mrproper | Haha | 17:02 |
mrproper | I'd prefer to bake | 17:02 |
mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Funny you say that. An egg is stuck to the carton and broke | 17:03 |
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Sam-I-Am | heh | 17:08 |
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TSCHAKMac | I'm a bit puzzled, I have a new OpenStack cluster made, and everything seems to be working correctly _EXCEPT_ the metadata (169.254.169.254) service. What could I look at to debug this? | 19:44 |
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