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| sputnik13 | somewhat off topic... anyone usb boot their servers off an internal usb? | 02:24 |
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| kseifried | set it in the bios, should be good to go | 02:30 |
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| sputnik13 | kseifried: yeah, I know that much, my question is around longevity of said usb stick | 02:32 |
| sputnik13 | I was wondering if anyone's done this on production servers and had their usb sticks go bad on them, I've seen usb sticks that go bad just being plugged in for too long, the tiny micro ones | 02:33 |
| kseifried | depends on the usb stick you buy | 02:33 |
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| kseifried | don't put the swap file on it | 02:33 |
| kseifried | dude | 02:33 |
| kseifried | it's like a 10$ device | 02:33 |
| sputnik13 | won't have any swap | 02:33 |
| kseifried | what do you expect? | 02:33 |
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| sputnik13 | it's a $10 device but it's hours of labor if the thing goes bad and we need to recover and rebuild | 02:34 |
| kseifried | right | 02:34 |
| kseifried | so use a slightly more expensive and reliable device | 02:34 |
| sputnik13 | almost thinking I might just ditch the whole idea | 02:34 |
| kseifried | wait hours to recover/rebuild? | 02:34 |
| kseifried | dd a whole swack of the sticks | 02:35 |
| sputnik13 | no, not use usb sticks | 02:35 |
| kseifried | plug them into the back | 02:35 |
| kseifried | 30 second swap | 02:35 |
| kseifried | well if you need reliability why on earth are you trying to go so cheap? | 02:35 |
| kseifried | for like $200 you can get a nice pair of 100gig intel SSD's and raid 1 them, reliable and fast and cheap | 02:35 |
| sputnik13 | not going this route to be cheap, we need the drive bays for storage | 02:36 |
| sputnik13 | but now I'm thinking this exercise isn't worth the trouble | 02:36 |
| kseifried | you could use a pcie storage card | 02:36 |
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| kseifried | or sacrifice a fe gigs of storage to boot the system | 02:36 |
| kseifried | or network boot them | 02:36 |
| sputnik13 | been spending too much time looking for realibility reports on usb, which nobody seems to give a rat's ass about | 02:36 |
| kseifried | yeah. it's usb | 02:37 |
| kseifried | it's not reliable | 02:37 |
| kseifried | it's literally the cheapest hardware jammed in | 02:37 |
| sputnik13 | network boot is my preference, but I don't have budget for a proper active/active SAN device | 02:37 |
| kseifried | use gluster | 02:37 |
| kseifried | gluster.org | 02:37 |
| sputnik13 | pondered building an iscsi on top of drdb | 02:37 |
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| kseifried | red hat storage server will do this =) | 02:37 |
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| sputnik13 | gluster I don't feel so safe about for iscsi because of how it's acting on files rather than blocks | 02:38 |
| kseifried | uhm ok | 02:38 |
| kseifried | I don't think I can help you much | 02:38 |
| sputnik13 | being paranoid I know | 02:38 |
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| kseifried | you seem determined to do this the most painful way possible =) | 02:38 |
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| kseifried | sputnik13, FYI: http://www.gluster.org/category/virtualization/ | 02:38 |
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| kseifried | the whole "only does files thing" is no longer true | 02:39 |
| sputnik13 | kseifried: well, we are in fact going to use gluster for cinder and glance | 02:39 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 02:39 |
| sputnik13 | I'm contradicting myself in some ways, I know | 02:39 |
| sputnik13 | I don't have a team to manage my infrastructure and this isn't even my full time job, so I'm being paranoid | 02:40 |
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| sputnik13 | I might just end up putting the OS on the local drives and calling it done | 02:40 |
| sputnik13 | yeah, actually hearing someone else say it's stupid to expect reliability out of usb is helping | 02:41 |
| sputnik13 | kseifried: thanks :) | 02:41 |
| kseifried | well | 02:42 |
| kseifried | I mean you could raid them | 02:42 |
| kseifried | but like... | 02:42 |
| kseifried | that's getting seriously islly | 02:42 |
| kseifried | have you already bought the servers? | 02:42 |
| sputnik13 | yeah, that's beyond silly | 02:42 |
| kseifried | you know some motherboards have that little mini ssd slot? | 02:42 |
| sputnik13 | I've inherited servers | 02:42 |
| kseifried | ah | 02:42 |
| sputnik13 | the servers aren't bad, they're decent featurewise | 02:42 |
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| sputnik13 | just implemented by contractors that had a half notion of what they were doing with the contractors managed by managers that had no idea what they were doing | 02:43 |
| kseifried | here's the thing I would say, and don't take it personally | 02:43 |
| kseifried | but you're doing it wrong | 02:43 |
| kseifried | you shouldn't be focused on building reliable servers | 02:43 |
| sputnik13 | not taking it personally at all | 02:43 |
| kseifried | you should be ffocused on building reliable services | 02:44 |
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| sputnik13 | I understand what you mean, but my thought was that the OS at least needs to be reliable... no? | 02:44 |
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| sputnik13 | if I'm overthinking the whole thing I'm fine scratching the whole concept | 02:44 |
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| kseifried | well | 02:45 |
| kseifried | here's the thing unless you buy like a mainframe, hardware will fail and kill the machine | 02:46 |
| kseifried | now obviously you shouldn't go out of your way to make them unreliable (e.g. booting/using a 10$ usb stick for /) | 02:46 |
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| kseifried | one solution I have in my personal file servers is to use an ssd taped to the side | 02:46 |
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| kseifried | so that I can jam one more hd in =) | 02:47 |
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| kseifried | ssd doesn't care about vibrations/etc. | 02:47 |
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| kseifried | I find actual duct tape, the metal foil stuff works great, it doesn't degrade in heat like most tapes | 02:47 |
| kseifried | just be careful obviously since it is conductive | 02:48 |
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| sputnik13 | kseifried: dealing with a rackmounted cluster, so that won't work, but I'm now thinking pcie or mini pci is what I should be doing | 02:49 |
| sputnik13 | I'm now thinking a $10 usb stick is just ridiculous, and the amount of time I've wasted looking for a "reliable" usb stick already wasted what I save with going that route vs pcie ssd | 02:50 |
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| kseifried | yah | 02:51 |
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| kseifried | pcie is pricey but if you use it for minimal OS and leave a nice piece of fast scratch space that'd be handy | 02:51 |
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| kseifried | like a minimal os fo nova/etc should be a gig or less | 02:52 |
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| sputnik13 | oh crap, msata is what I was thinking, not pcie, but no msata support, bummer... still thinking abandoning usb is best | 02:53 |
| kseifried | if I had to do usb | 02:54 |
| kseifried | I'd make sur ehte servers were physically secured | 02:54 |
| kseifried | and use external usb key | 02:54 |
| kseifried | and make like 100 of them | 02:54 |
| kseifried | have a bin | 02:54 |
| kseifried | as they fail just replace and power cycle | 02:54 |
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| kseifried | but honestly even one failure a month would prolly cost more then buying proper boot hardware/doign network boot | 02:55 |
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| sputnik13 | yeah, no usb, abandoning that idea, it shouldn't have been considered in the first place now that I think about how cheap these things are | 02:55 |
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| kseifried | hardware did get cheap. intel 100gig ssd's are like 100$ now | 02:56 |
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| sputnik13 | for my storage servers I need to add rear backplanes to load them with ssds... we have 12x 3TB hdd's that I wanted to just dedicate to storage with idea being I could reconfigure them on the fly if I had OS on a different volume (like usb or iscsi), but I'm thinking it's not worth the trouble now, and either I get pcie or get rear backplane modules and get ssd, implement drdb iscsi and iscsi boot, or just simplify and put OS on the hdd array | 02:59 |
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| sputnik13 | any real benefit I get is probably being negated by the amount of time I'm wasting on this for every day that I'm spending investigating, and the usb thing is likely to be the worst idea amongst all of these | 03:00 |
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| kseifried | yah | 03:01 |
| kseifried | honestly apart from like a test lab where booting off usb keys would sort of make sense | 03:01 |
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| kseifried | I'd be pretty concerned, like calling security to escort them out the building concerned, if someone suggested that ;) | 03:02 |
| sputnik13 | hahah, yeah, thanks... not one of my best ideas :) | 03:02 |
| kseifried | like I used to have a workstation with a scsi 1gig jaz drive | 03:03 |
| kseifried | 7 platters with one OS each | 03:03 |
| sputnik13 | kseifried: thanks for taking the time to talk with me, sometimes having someone with an eye for ops as a sounding board is tremendously helpful | 03:03 |
| kseifried | holy crap was there a high failure rate on those drives and the disks | 03:03 |
| sputnik13 | yeah, zip/jaz are horrible | 03:03 |
| sputnik13 | "click of death" | 03:03 |
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| sputnik13 | I remember those | 03:04 |
| sputnik13 | they were great for the day as far as capacity, but horribly unreliable | 03:04 |
| kseifried | well and speed/booting | 03:04 |
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| kseifried | you trying getting lilo to work well with more then 2-3 OS's and then everytime windows shat all over the mbr because it felt like it ;P | 03:05 |
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| sputnik13 | yeah, bad times | 03:08 |
| sputnik13 | this usb boot crap should never have seen the light of day, thanks for taking the time to talk with me :) | 03:09 |
| kseifried | I'll prolly teach my kids to do it for their first real computers | 03:09 |
| sputnik13 | what, lilo? | 03:09 |
| kseifried | easy to image the hardware and clone for when they stuff it up | 03:09 |
| sputnik13 | :) | 03:09 |
| sputnik13 | oh, you mean usb boot | 03:09 |
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| kseifried | yah | 03:10 |
| sputnik13 | because if you said lilo, I'd call you an abusive parent | 03:10 |
| sputnik13 | it's not so horrible, but I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore | 03:10 |
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| MrCurious | openstack can command EC2 compute services right? | 04:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought so | 04:18 |
| MrCurious | i thought so too, but having trouble finding the hint to do it on the web | 04:18 |
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| kseifried | so sort of | 04:19 |
| kseifried | if you want to use both openstack and ec2 you probably should use an orchestration layer on top | 04:19 |
| kseifried | longer term I suspect openstack will support ec2 better | 04:20 |
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| MrCurious | so now i have it all running on a laptop... guess that means i cant config it to let me spawn to ec2 as well | 04:20 |
| kseifried | you can | 04:21 |
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| kseifried | but it sounds like you wanna control stuff in ec2 using openstack, which it doesn't do great yet | 04:22 |
| MrCurious | just want to spawn and terminate an instance hosted on ec2 | 04:22 |
| MrCurious | using my openstack to demo that i can control local and remote resources | 04:23 |
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| MrCurious | maybe software lilke enstratus is required to be a meta layer to facilitate a single point of access to ec2 and openstack | 04:34 |
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| kseifried | yeah. orchestration software. personally I'd recommend red hat cloudforms but I'm biased =) | 04:35 |
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| MrCurious | ok, thats fair enough. figured when i demo it, the question of show me an ec2 instance launching would come up | 04:36 |
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| kseifried | prolly. ec2 is all the rage now | 04:37 |
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| MrCurious | next question.... can openstack control vmware resources? | 04:37 |
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| kseifried | dude | 04:38 |
| kseifried | I think you don't quite understand openstack | 04:38 |
| kseifried | it's an IaaS | 04:38 |
| kseifried | not an orchestration layer | 04:38 |
| kseifried | if you want to for exmaple control openstack, EC2, vmware and MS HyperV, cloudforms will do that | 04:39 |
| MrCurious | infrastructure as a service | 04:39 |
| kseifried | yah | 04:39 |
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| kseifried | IaaS | 04:39 |
| MrCurious | similar to MAAS? | 04:39 |
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| * kseifried curls up and goes to his happy place | 04:39 | |
| MrCurious | metal as a service | 04:39 |
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| kseifried | oh dude, I can acronym as good as anyone | 04:39 |
| MrCurious | sorry, it a steep learning curve, and a very big puzzle with amazingly similar looking pieces | 04:40 |
| kseifried | but at some point I've told you the answer, you don't seem to like, so I can't do much more :P | 04:40 |
| MrCurious | answer, no cant use openstack to control local and ec2 instances | 04:40 |
| kseifried | you want orchestration, and possibly an on premises IaaS | 04:40 |
| kseifried | well you sort of can, but not well, not the way you want | 04:41 |
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| MrCurious | yeah, something to let me use local resources, then scale out to ec2 at times of extrem e "oh shit" | 04:41 |
| kseifried | yup. that'd be cloudforms | 04:41 |
| MrCurious | i would have to install nova-compute on ec2 instances and simulate compute nodes | 04:41 |
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| MrCurious | thanks... looking into cloud forms | 04:42 |
| kseifried | ugh. that'd be so ass backwards | 04:42 |
| MrCurious | yeah | 04:42 |
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| kseifried | runing vm on top of vm | 04:42 |
| kseifried | seriously. you want orchestration | 04:42 |
| MrCurious | search for ec2 openstack led me to people doing openstack on ec2... | 04:42 |
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| kseifried | yeah you can | 04:42 |
| kseifried | kind of.. silly a bit :P | 04:42 |
| MrCurious | so thats what confused me | 04:42 |
| MrCurious | can... should.. not same | 04:43 |
| kseifried | exactly | 04:43 |
| MrCurious | kseifried: thanks for the patience and clue. you have saved me a few hours of futile research | 04:43 |
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| kseifried | just spend a lot of money with red hat and tell them kseifried told you to so I get a bonnus ;) | 04:44 |
| kseifried | honestly this whole maas/iaas/paas/etc is silly | 04:44 |
| kseifried | it's all merging | 04:45 |
| MrCurious | yeah | 04:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | merging into EaaS :) | 04:45 |
| MrCurious | spent 15 years working for supercomputing centers | 04:45 |
| kseifried | you want paas? sure. you're not going to run it on servers like normal apps, you wanna run it on iaas so you get cloud capabilities like scaling/moving workloads | 04:45 |
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| MrCurious | then cloud busts on to the scene | 04:45 |
| kseifried | so paas/iaas merge, openstack is already doing it | 04:45 |
| MrCurious | suddenly supercomputing centers arent so cool any more | 04:45 |
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| kseifried | but hey, we need orchestration, and also like an actual os/etc to run for on premise clouds | 04:46 |
| MrCurious | with heat to orchestrate the stack onto the iaas? | 04:46 |
| kseifried | so MaaS/virtualization get blobbed into IaaS/PaaS | 04:46 |
| kseifried | then something on top to manage it | 04:46 |
| kseifried | and so on and so forth | 04:46 |
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| kseifried | ultimately yeah Everything aaS | 04:46 |
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| kseifried | MrCurious, what we should hopefully end up with is osmething like this: a manifest.xml for an app that says things like "the db must be HA for at least 1 hardware failure AND 1 complete data center failure", the web front ends must be HA, and able to predicatively spike, etc. and then the applicaiton bits/db schemas/etc bundled in | 04:48 |
| kseifried | you click "run" and it just works magically | 04:48 |
| MrCurious | i set up a 50g LVM2 cinder-volumes | 04:48 |
| kseifried | MrCurious, e.g.: http://techblog.netflix.com/2013/11/scryer-netflixs-predictive-auto-scaling.html | 04:48 |
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| kseifried | why scale in time when you can scale ahead of time =) | 04:49 |
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| kseifried | this is the future | 04:49 |
| MrCurious | but when i go to create a volume... it limits sme to 1tb... | 04:49 |
| kseifried | yeah. thin volumes | 04:49 |
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| MrCurious | so it doesnt allocate all the space requested at creaation | 04:51 |
| MrCurious | in theory allowing me to hit a out of space wall after creating (10) 10g vovlumes with only 50g of cinder-volumes | 04:51 |
| kseifried | sur | 04:52 |
| MrCurious | i take that back... | 04:52 |
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| MrCurious | capped out at 4 10g volumes | 04:52 |
| MrCurious | empty bolumes | 04:52 |
| MrCurious | volumes. cant type tonight | 04:53 |
| ram-5391 | does it sound possible if I deleted a few projects (tenants) on my installation, (not default or admin projects etc) nova/glance would have issues talking to keystone? | 04:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 04:54 |
| ram-5391 | Sam-I-Am, yep still here | 04:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ram-5391: doesnt make sense | 04:59 |
| MrCurious | create volume is fast, delete volume is slow. guessing it is sanitizing the deleted volume to prevent data leakage | 05:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yes | 05:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | using dd | 05:02 |
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| MrCurious | that is a nice feature. maybe instead of saying deleting, should say cleaning or sanitizing | 05:03 |
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| kseifried | it's a stupid feature and broken :P | 05:04 |
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| kseifried | 1) you're dd'ing thin volumes and 2) you're dd'ing volume files not partitions, so stuff may have leaked | 05:04 |
| clarkb | heh, you can turn it off. we do that for the automatic testing as non of the volume data matters there and it speeds things up | 05:04 |
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| teju | hi all..did anyone work with cinder+netapp?? | 05:18 |
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| rushiagr | I am seeing rootwrap failures in n-api and c-vol screens | 05:32 |
| rushiagr | this is wrt devstack | 05:32 |
| rushiagr | is anyone else seeing this too? | 05:32 |
| rushiagr | ttx: around? | 05:32 |
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| teju | rushiagr: i got same errors...but,i am not using devstack!! | 05:40 |
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| rushiagr | teju: oh. Devstack was OK last week! | 05:41 |
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| teju | rushiagr: do u know how to use cinder+netapp?? | 05:43 |
| rushiagr | teju: the block storage drivers? | 05:43 |
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| teju | rushiagr: yes | 05:43 |
| rushiagr | teju: lets head over to #openstack-cinder | 05:43 |
| teju | ok | 05:43 |
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| xhao | ping openstack, does anyone have tired deploy a openstack base on RHEL6 ? | 07:47 |
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| mosulica | WARNING nova.compute.manager [-] [instance: 9ff5af08-33c2-4b68-905a-a6a46eac6df7] Instance is paused unexpectedly. Ignore. | 07:58 |
| mosulica | has anyone encouter this problem? | 07:58 |
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| mosulica | I found one of my instances paused | 07:58 |
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| svij | anyone around here who uses openstack with the jenkins jclouds plugin? | 08:16 |
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| ttx | rushiagr: yes? | 08:38 |
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| rushiagr | ttx: I was getting some errors wrt rootwrap on my cinder and nova screens, while I wanted to set up devstack | 09:14 |
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| ttx | rushiagr: something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1273581 ? | 09:15 |
| ttx | or something else ? | 09:15 |
| rushiagr | ttx: http://paste.openstack.org/show/61990/ | 09:17 |
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| ttx | rushiagr: yeah, I think that's the same issue | 09:19 |
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| ttx | rushiagr: fix is in repo, i shall push a new version on pypi once I get the doc straighten up | 09:19 |
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| rushiagr | ttx: okay | 09:20 |
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| rushiagr | ttx: so I'll wait till it gets done. | 09:21 |
| rushiagr | ttx: thanks! | 09:21 |
| ttx | rushiagr: as a quick workaround you can try adding the missing empty __init__.py file | 09:21 |
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| rushiagr | ttx: where exactly? | 09:23 |
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| rushiagr | ttx: ok, got it from http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.rootwrap/commit/?id=4c499d366429f68ff29c7a2f93553b06f3697405 | 09:24 |
| pheadron | even though i added libvirt_type=qemu , the compute node is still trying to spawn with "hvm" before it was trying to spawn with "kvm" | 09:24 |
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| teju | rushiagr:can u help me with adding a column in a table to display values in a drop down list?? | 09:26 |
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| rushiagr | teju: this is with regards to what? | 09:27 |
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| teju | rushiagr: i have created a table(similar to volumes table) in dashboard.....i have 2 columns in the table...i am able to display volumes in the first column....i would like to display few values(in a drop down list) in the 2nd column... | 09:30 |
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| Drakie | goodmorning, we've been noticing a pretty huge different in performance between swift and amazon s3, varies between 2x and 20x faster when using amazon s3 - is this 'normal' or is this some we should look into? | 09:59 |
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| ProfFalken | hi all, I'm looking for a good guide to the syntax for Heat templates (i.e. not just "here's an example, off you go!) - can anyone point me in a good direction here? | 10:02 |
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| chalcedony | pheadron? | 10:06 |
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| pheadron | hi chalcedony :) | 10:08 |
| chalcedony | hehe :) | 10:08 |
| pheadron | have you always been here? | 10:08 |
| chalcedony | since we talked about it | 10:08 |
| pheadron | wow, cool | 10:08 |
| pheadron | hahahaha | 10:08 |
| pheadron | it's changing the IT world. | 10:09 |
| chalcedony | :) | 10:09 |
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| koolhead17 | Drankis: you have something/result to show this | 10:14 |
| ProfFalken | chalcedony: didn't you used to hang out in #nixhelp? | 10:14 |
| * ProfFalken == monkeyman | 10:14 | |
| pheadron | ok i searched and found the solution: /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf , change libvirt_type to qemu | 10:15 |
| pheadron | so it was in the /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf file not the /etc/nova/nova.conf file that im so used to modify | 10:16 |
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| Drankis | koolhead17, sorry? | 10:19 |
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| koolhead17 | Drankis: Reg performance b/w S3/Swift you mentioned | 10:20 |
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| Drankis | koolhead17, looks like it was user <Drakie> who now is rubensayshi =] | 10:20 |
| koolhead17 | LOL | 10:20 |
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| rubensayshi | haa | 10:21 |
| rubensayshi | sorry | 10:21 |
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| rubensayshi | using the s3 emulation we're seeing sutff like 0.3s per SET (data is just a timestamp) and 0.1s per GET | 10:23 |
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| rubensayshi | while S3 with the same script is doing 0.05s per SET and 0.02s per GET | 10:24 |
| rubensayshi | using the swift lib instead of s3 it's slightly better, but not much | 10:24 |
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| koolhead17 | rubensayshi: but there can be many reason for that & without finding it you cannot conclude that. One reason might be the setup ^^ | 10:29 |
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| rubensayshi | koolhead17, what I want to know is weither this is 'normal' performance for swift | 10:29 |
| rubensayshi | I asume it isn't | 10:29 |
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| koolhead17 | rubensayshi: exactly. So asking for best practice & environment with Swift say in mailing list will be a good way to get solution :) | 10:31 |
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| rubensayshi | I was kinda hoping someone in here would just say "no ruben, it runs way faster in my enviroment so you need to go figure out what you did wrong" :D | 10:31 |
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| rubensayshi | or with "exactly." you mean "you're right it's not normal" :P ? | 10:32 |
| koolhead17 | rubensayshi: i tried saying same politely 1st thing :) | 10:32 |
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| rubensayshi | haha, okay thanks | 10:33 |
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| koolhead17 | rubensayshi: http://bit.ly/1jDJzoh :) | 10:33 |
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| srenatus | hmm I'm seeing weird errors with VMs that have a big (80gb) ephemeral disk..."BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2 stuck for 21s!" does that ring a bell for anyone? | 10:39 |
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| teju | how to restart n/wking in cirr os?? | 10:48 |
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| srenatus | teju: you could run udhcpc | 10:54 |
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| teju | srenatus: i get error: operation not permitted | 10:56 |
| teju | srenatus: ok...it worked... | 10:57 |
| teju | srenatus: i am not able to ping the new CirrOS instance from outside compute node...any help?? | 10:58 |
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| ranjan_ | teju, are you using neutron? | 11:14 |
| teju | ranjan_:no | 11:15 |
| teju | ranjan_:nova | 11:15 |
| ranjan_ | teju, i havent tried nova-network yet, still do you have any logs from nova? | 11:16 |
| teju | ranjan_:i am able to ssh to CirrOS instance from compute node....i just want to make it sshable from anywhere!! | 11:17 |
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| pheadron | teju did you put in the nova secgroup-add-rule 's ? | 11:23 |
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| teju | pheadron: yes | 11:33 |
| teju | pheadron: i followed standard openstack havana docs for ubuntu 12.04 | 11:34 |
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| teju | pheadron: i am not able to ping anything from instance.... | 11:37 |
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| pheadron | oh.. you are able to ping and log into that instance from your compute node? | 11:39 |
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| teju | pheadron: yes...i can ssh to my instance only from compute node | 11:39 |
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| pheadron | it must be some "secure" type rules.,but im sorry, i don't know the specific syntax off hand, i would look it up. | 11:40 |
| teju | pheadron : nova secgroup-list-rules default | 11:40 |
| teju | pheadron : tcp | 22 | 22 | 0.0.0.0/0 | 11:40 |
| pheadron | To allow pinging from other security groups | 11:41 |
| pheadron | To allow only members of other security groups (source groups) to ping instances: | 11:41 |
| pheadron | $ nova secgroup-add-group-rule --ip_proto icmp --from_port -1 \ | 11:41 |
| pheadron | --to_port -1 SEC_GROUP_NAME SOURCE_GROUP_NAME | 11:41 |
| teju | nova secgroup-add-rule default icmp -1 -1 0.0.0.0/0 | 11:41 |
| teju | will this work?? | 11:42 |
| pheadron | configure access and security for instances: http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/cli_configure_instances.html | 11:42 |
| pheadron | nope, that wont work. that is the default. | 11:42 |
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| pheadron | teju: | 11:47 |
| pheadron | Example 7.3. Adding a Security Rule to Allow SSH Connections | 11:47 |
| pheadron | In this example a rule is added to the default security group to allow SSH access from machines in the IP address block 172.31.0.224/28. | 11:47 |
| pheadron | $ nova secgroup-add-rule default tcp 22 22 172.31.0.224/28 | 11:47 |
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| teju | ok | 11:47 |
| pheadron | so, ii think you make a new secgroup for your instances and then add a rule for that group. | 11:47 |
| pheadron | allowing ping, etc..from one secgroup to another secgroup | 11:47 |
| pheadron | To allow pinging from other security groups | 11:48 |
| pheadron | To allow only members of other security groups (source groups) to ping instances: | 11:48 |
| pheadron | $ nova secgroup-add-group-rule --ip_proto icmp --from_port -1 \ | 11:48 |
| pheadron | --to_port -1 SEC_GROUP_NAME SOURCE_GROUP_NAME | 11:48 |
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| teju | ok | 11:52 |
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| RemyS | hello | 13:48 |
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| webbgroup | Anybody know where I can get some good documentation on creating a custom role? | 13:54 |
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| webbgroup | Our system will be multidomain, and I need to create a role that allows the user to administrate pretty much everything within their own domain.. | 13:54 |
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| webbgroup | BUT, not see anybody elses domain. | 13:54 |
| webbgroup | Admin of the domain does not do that. | 13:55 |
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| webbgroup | and I am receiving ceiliometer errors.. | 13:55 |
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| darky^ | Hey Guys! Did anyone every experienced the change of his "source file" for the disk if he starts the instance after the shutdown? | 14:06 |
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| darky^ | On runtime and shutdown it is "/var/lib/nova/mnt/a1dd912138f1877f2e990a0522c25a11/volume-324f3895-dbc5-4e88-a198-007098a1a990" | 14:06 |
| darky^ | On "startup" afterwards it turns to "/mnt/gluster/nova/instance/22d87635-83b6-48f3-9487-02315f0e78c3/disk" and can't be found. | 14:06 |
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| carnaler | morning room | 14:18 |
| larsks | darky^: Someone else had a similar problem (HT_Sergio). | 14:19 |
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| larsks | There was a question on ask.openstack.org -- don't know if it go any answers or not. | 14:19 |
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| darky^ | larsks, seems like this bug report nails it https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1271780 | 14:25 |
| darky^ | Thank you. | 14:25 |
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| Drankis | Hello all! I have environment with Ubuntu 12.04 and havana packages, but I want to test one compute node with newest github nova code. Which is best way to upgrade nova from havana release (installed from packages) to current in github? | 14:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | Drankis: you need to build from source | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | alternatively, you can try the icehouse ppa for ubuntu | 14:39 |
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| Drankis | Sam-I-Am, get sources and "python setup.py"? | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i guess. mixing one node of one version with a system of the other sounds dangerous. | 14:39 |
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| Drankis | Sam-I-Am, I have demo environment so it is fine, i hope =] | 14:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah | 14:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, the new nova might expect to find a new database schema too | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i guess you'll find out | 14:41 |
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| Drankis | Sam-I-Am, ohh, database schema differs too? | 14:42 |
| Drankis | I hoped havana and icehouse use same :D | 14:42 |
| larsks | Drankis: Database schema is typically different between major releases. It certainly was between grizzly -> havana. | 14:42 |
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| Drankis | larsks, thanks! | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | its probably close, but different enough that something may gripe | 14:43 |
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| larsks | Your options range from "gripe" to "fail" to "corrupt the database". :) | 14:43 |
| larsks | For doing a piecewise upgrade from grizzly to havana, one could set up a parallel nova environemnt -- so, shared keystone/glance/cinder/etc, but two distinct nova compute environments (one grizzly, one havana). | 14:44 |
| larsks | ...with different endpoints in keystone. Basically, two "regions". | 14:45 |
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| Drankis | larsks, Sam-I-Am, thanks for warnings! | 14:47 |
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| pheadron | *phew* im not even caught up with havana, let alone starting on icehouse! | 14:54 |
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| gargarozz | nova boot hangs and then gives me error "The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation." if I specify --nic net-id=<UUID> | 14:55 |
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| gargarozz | and in the nova-api log it returns "Timeout: Timeout while waiting on RPC response - topic: "network", RPC method: "validate_networks" info: "<unknown>" | 15:00 |
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| gargarozz | anyone has experienced this problem? | 15:16 |
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| Birk | There is a way to comment a param instead of deleting or setting it using the openstack-config tool? | 15:41 |
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| larsks | Birk: I don't think so. Comments are largely ignored by the ini-parsing code, I think. | 15:45 |
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| Birk | larsks: So I think I should just set it with an empty string | 15:47 |
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| larsks | Birk: Depends on the setting and exactly what you're trying to accomplish, I guess. | 15:48 |
| Birk | larsks: I don't want to remove the parameter from the .conf file | 15:48 |
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| larsks | You could just use "sed". | 15:48 |
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| Birk | larsks: I think it's the best option. Thanks for your help. | 15:50 |
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| gargarozz | where can i download the /etc/ config files for a classical openstack deployment? | 16:03 |
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| gargarozz | My deployment is with Ubuntu 12.04, Havana. | 16:04 |
| larsks | gargarozz: I don't know about downloading the configs, but if you perform, e.g., a successful devstack install you'll have a set of working configs to look at. | 16:04 |
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| gargarozz | thanks for the tip | 16:05 |
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| badams | hey all, does anyone know if its possible to attach an iso to a VM through openstack? | 16:47 |
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| johan_h | Hi, I am having some problems with the metadata service on openstack havana which I am currently trying to setup in a multi host env with 1 controller, 1 network and 3 compute nodes. The problem I am facing is that the metadata request from the VMs are filtered in the compute node. If I add a rule manually to forward http requests to dest ip 169.254.169.254 it works an I can see that the nova-api on the controller node gets the requ | 16:47 |
| johan_h | what service is it that should add this rule? | 16:47 |
| johan_h | every time I launch a new VM the rule that I added gets lower prio and then it will not work | 16:48 |
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| bada | I guys, how do you manage having several controller node and so several nova-consoleauth process ? (which cause vnc problem) ? Thanks | 17:03 |
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| bada | for HA purpose | 17:04 |
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| larsks | ygk: somewhat. | 17:15 |
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| decci | I am trying to setup a local YUM repository for openstack installation through packstack | 17:25 |
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| sviesusisalus | hi. is there an API call that i can set tenant quata ? | 18:28 |
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| sviesusisalus | because im browsing the API reference and i cant find any info | 18:28 |
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| BuSerD | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/GET_os-quotas-v2.0_showQuota_v2.0_quotas__tenant_id__quotas_ext.html | 18:35 |
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| pheadron1 | has anyone set up a superduper highly available swift infrastructure? or can point me to a URL/ | 18:37 |
| pheadron1 | ? | 18:37 |
| notmyname | pheadron1: lots. what are you looking for? | 18:38 |
| pheadron1 | sort of a guide. i'm reading the official docs | 18:38 |
| pheadron1 | but i dont really know what i want, sorry, i wanted to see if i can build one using a lot of vms. | 18:39 |
| pheadron1 | because i've never done it. | 18:39 |
| pheadron1 | and i would like to learn it well. | 18:39 |
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| erlon | all: guy what is the relation between github and git.openstack repos? which one has the latest changes?? I'm following git.openstack.org for swift but the last fresh release is not in. | 18:48 |
| notmyname | pheadron1: (sorry, didn't see your response til just now) | 18:49 |
| pheadron1 | thats ok. | 18:49 |
| pheadron1 | im still reading | 18:49 |
| notmyname | erlon: github is a mirror, officially, but it's very current AFAIK | 18:49 |
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| notmyname | pheadron1: normally you don't want to build a swift cluster on VMs (IO performance and distinct failure domains are both important) | 18:50 |
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| erlon | notmyname: weird then that it received this commits first | 18:51 |
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| pheadron1 | right, thanks:) i wanted to learn. | 18:51 |
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| notmyname | pheadron1: the docs at http://swift.openstack.org are a good start. Also, there are some good docs at https://swiftstack.com/openstack-swift/ | 18:52 |
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| pheadron1 | thank you very much:) | 18:52 |
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| notmyname | pheadron1: and there are lots of examples of swift clusters. Rackspace Cloud Files, HP's cloud storage, Softlayer's cloud storage, several other service providers in EU and APAC. private deployments at places like Disney, Cisco, Concur, Wikimedia, etc | 18:54 |
| pheadron1 | ah.. yes. thanks. | 18:54 |
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| mfisch | are there any hints on how to get some better logging when debugging ldap+keystone? even with debug enabled I get nothing about the ldap queries | 19:08 |
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| gamekiller77 | what the ceilometer channel name does any one know | 19:40 |
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| hewbrocca | #openstack-ceilometer | 19:41 |
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| jproulx | my GRE based tenant networks (ovs) seem to have broken over switch from grizzly -> havana. Or primary networks are VLAN based provider networks, so noticing this a little late. The tunnels exist and are in the right bridges but I can only see local traffic on the tap devices, any guesses? | 21:26 |
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| larsks | jproulx: Do your firewalls permit GRE traffic? If you run tcpdump on whatever interface is your tunnel endpoint, do you see GRE traffic on either end of the tunnel? | 21:53 |
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| badams | anyone have any experience creating windows images for use? | 22:09 |
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| devoid | hi folks, nova question here | 22:52 |
| devoid | if I want to customize the contents of the libvirt.xml file, is there an appropriate way to do that? | 22:53 |
| alop | there's a template file | 22:53 |
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| alop | trying to remember where that lives | 22:54 |
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| alop | devoid: looks like you can stick a tmplate in $pysharedir/nova/virt/libvirt.xml.template | 22:59 |
| alop | I've never had to muck with it, but I've heard of it before | 23:00 |
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| devoid | alop, yea, and from what I can tell there used to be a libvirt_xml_template option in nova-compute.conf but that is no longer listed in nova.conf | 23:00 |
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| devoid | trying to get gluster shared volumes to work with libgfapi | 23:01 |
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| alop | devoid: ah, looks like those options were removed in Folsom | 23:03 |
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| devoid | alop, and replaced with … trying to figure it out … | 23:03 |
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| alop | Mind you, I've not used that functionality | 23:04 |
| devoid | alop, also I don't see /nova/virt/libvirt.xml.template anywhere in the source | 23:04 |
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| belmoreira | hi, I'm a bit confused which oslo library should I target for an RPC patch. some help appreciated | 23:05 |
| devoid | alop, excellent. another openstack case of substituting simple and flexible with complex and brittle | 23:05 |
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| alop | I guess :) | 23:06 |
| clarkb | belmoreira: the one with the RPC code in it. I believe that is http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.messaging/tree/README.rst | 23:06 |
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| dhellmann | belmoreira: it depends on the patch | 23:07 |
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| dhellmann | belmoreira: and to some extent we're still working out the "rules" | 23:07 |
| dhellmann | belmoreira: but for sure you want to put changes in oslo.messaging before you try to add them to oslo-incubator | 23:07 |
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| belmoreira | dhellmann: I want to add changes in impl_kombu but oslo.messaging doesn't have it. it has impl_rabbit that I believe is the equivalent | 23:10 |
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| belmoreira | dhellmann: how then the patch is moved to impl_kombu? | 23:10 |
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| belmoreira | dhellmann: in oslo-incubator | 23:11 |
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| dhellmann | belmoreira: land a patch in oslo.messaging, then backport it to the incubator under the same guidelines you would for stable branch management | 23:13 |
| belmoreira | dhellmann: thanks | 23:15 |
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| dhellmann | belmoreira: no problem | 23:17 |
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