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| alop | anyone know how to disable neutron in horizon? | 01:51 |
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| atpa8a | grrrr | 02:26 |
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| alop | _cjones_: I want horizon to use nova-network | 02:30 |
| _cjones_ | alop, Are you using devstack? | 02:30 |
| alop | no | 02:30 |
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| _cjones_ | alop, Hmm, I don't have an exact answer, but don't start the following services: n-net, q-svc, q-agt, q-dhcp, q-l3, q-meta, and neutron. | 02:31 |
| _cjones_ | alop, you'll then default to nova-network. | 02:32 |
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| Andy__ | Hi anyone knows how to get a ec2 ami and run it on openstack | 04:20 |
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| MrCurious | i dunno.. google openstack ami and get this link? http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-image/content/ch_introduction.html :P | 04:26 |
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| Rajalakshmi | Hi ....I have a question related to Tempest Testing project..Is there any appropriate channel for discussion? | 06:14 |
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| rushiagr | Rajalakshmi: #openstack-qa is | 06:19 |
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| Rajalakshmi | Rushiagr: Thank you | 06:49 |
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| MrCurious | rushiagr: does that mean this is the wrong channel for openstack questions, or is that just a more suitable place for tempest related bits | 06:53 |
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| rushiagr | MrCurious: the latter one | 06:53 |
| MrCurious | phew | 06:53 |
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| sundjango | hey, I am an OpenStack newbie and trying to set it up on an Ubuntu Server. I was configuring the networking interface card but if I do it like here http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/basics-networking.html, then I lose my Internet connection. What is the idea behind this configuration? So, that I can apply without changing my | 08:15 |
| sundjango | primary interface card/ | 08:15 |
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| teju | hi all...does any one know how to mark a cinder volume as "in-use" ?? | 08:27 |
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| srenatus | teju: that should happen automatically when it's attached. what are you trying to do? | 08:28 |
| teju | srenatus: i have a bootable volume,but I want to mark the volume "in-use" so that no one uses it to attach to an instance | 08:28 |
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| teju | srenatus: i know it happens automatically...but,how do I force the status of a volume to change from available to in-use? | 08:30 |
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| srenatus | teju: I'm afraid you cannot. it's either in-use (attached to an instance, boot-from or not) or available (not attached anywhere) | 08:40 |
| srenatus | teju: if you want no-one to touch your available volume, rename it? (my-precious-do-not-touch) | 08:40 |
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| teju | srenatus:ok...thanks | 08:41 |
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| brucelee | does openstack work with vmware hypervisors? | 09:42 |
| Drankis | yes | 09:42 |
| brucelee | would i be able to perform live migration between two ESXi hosts ? :p | 09:42 |
| brucelee | kind of looking at openstack as a 'free' vcenter, somethign to manage all my hypervisors | 09:42 |
| brucelee | would that be incorrect way of looking at it... is that even a possible use case | 09:43 |
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| Drankis | openstack is cloud platform, it is not tool for managing existing virtual servers | 09:44 |
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| brucelee | ah | 09:44 |
| brucelee | whats one of the primary use cases of openstack? | 09:45 |
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| brucelee | it hooks into a bunch of hypervisors, and you get to present them all as a "cloud" right? | 09:45 |
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| brucelee | so in that regards, it seems like it abstracts the fact that they are a bunch of individual hypervisors, so wouldnt the abstraction layer allow the user to move VMs around | 09:46 |
| Drankis | brucelee, users don't need to move vm's across cloud. I don't know how is with vmware, but with xenserver is possible to live migrate with or without shared storages. | 09:48 |
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| Drankis | BobBall, hello! Where I can see blueprints about xenserver integration in to openstack? I mean, is there a team who works with new features to implement xenserver in to openstack and I can check what is features planned? Or all information is only here? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova | 09:55 |
| BobBall | Drankis: That is the place, yes. There are a number of teams that work on XenAPI improvements, and all the BPs are listed there. I'm only assisting with one BP (PCI pass through), and the rest of my focus is on automated testing at the moment | 09:57 |
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| Drankis | BobBall, ok, thanks | 09:58 |
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| andrewbogott | Hm, I'm trying to follow the neutron setup guide, and there's a typo right at the very top that's baffling. "The external NIC connects the network node, and optionally to the controller node, so your VMs can connect to the outside world." | 10:54 |
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| andrewbogott | Can make no sense out of that sentence. Missing a phrase? | 10:54 |
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| drazyl | which part of the neutron setup is it describing? | 11:09 |
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| andrewbogott | drazyl: That's right up top, telling me what hardware I'll need. | 11:11 |
| andrewbogott | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-install.dedicated-network-node.html | 11:11 |
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| teju | hi all...does this line "control_exchange = openstack" in /etc/keystone/keystone.conf file make any difference?? | 11:39 |
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| blinky_ghost | Hi all, anybody can help me implementing l3-agent high availability on havana? | 12:41 |
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| giorgiodinapoli | sry wrong cnah | 13:53 |
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| kr4m3r | hello all, can i chanve private ip address to instance? | 14:05 |
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| odyssey4me | if I want to set the metadata for an aggregate to have two of the same keys with different values - ie I want to set the key 'project_id' and want to have multiple values that the scheduler filter will recognise. How do I do it? As it stands if I do two key=value pairs the second overrides the first. | 14:46 |
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| jproulx | having troubl ewith / | 15:02 |
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| jproulx | Apparently having trouble with coffee underflow error... | 15:02 |
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| jproulx | actual trouble is with 'nova live-migration', instance moves, network good all the way through, but nova keeps reporting in on the old node (which it's not running on) in MIGRATING state, seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227836 (which is old with no real identification of problem in code) though I'm Using Ubuntu 12.04 and Havana | 15:04 |
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| humbolt | neutron is killing me! | 15:34 |
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| jproulx | neutron is killing us all | 15:35 |
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| jproulx | humbolt: how is it killing you today, perhaps my suffering can help you? | 15:36 |
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| humbolt | well for starters, I do not get how to setup the bridges it needs. When I set them up via ovs-vsctl, why are they not showing up in brctl show and vice versa?! | 15:38 |
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| jproulx | you use ovs-vsctl, if they are not showing up in brctl you probably need to 'modprobe openvswitch' | 15:39 |
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| jproulx | I think it would be nice if it failed when the kmod wasn't there, but I've had that happen to me | 15:40 |
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| desai | jproulx: isn't there an ovs brcompat module that would need to be loaded? (we don't use OVS in prod yet, but i vaguely recall from playing around with ovs) | 15:50 |
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| jproulx | desai: not on my systems, not in modprobe -l output | 15:53 |
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| jproulx | which is Ubuntu 12.04 kernel 3.2.0-58-generic Havana Neutron OVS, though there is an openvswitch-brcompat packages that I don't have installed...so it may be needed in some cases | 15:55 |
| desai | ah, it has disappeared in new versions of ovs | 15:55 |
| desai | not sure if that means that bridge compatibility is disabled now or not | 15:55 |
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| jproulx | Hmm, can't say the openvswitch-brcompat is 1.4 and Havana requires >1.10 which doesn't have that package | 15:57 |
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| jproulx | desai it appears compat is gone... | 16:00 |
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| jproulx | humbolt seems the info I gave you is true for Grizzly wit OVS 1.4, but not Havana with OVS 1.10, OVS bridges just don't show up in brctl any more | 16:01 |
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| humbolt | jproulx: which is disturbing. | 16:02 |
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| hk_peter | Hey guy, do you want to join the project Titan team, to develop a mature management tool for openstack? http://peter.kingofcoders.com | 16:04 |
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| humbolt | jproulx: So what if I configure a br-ex with brctl or network/interfaces and one with the same name with ovs-vsctl. Are they one and the same, or different ones? How do I get a ovs bridge to have an IP address? how can I configure this via /etc/network/interfaces? | 16:05 |
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| jproulx | humbolt: yes somewhat...but perhaps I'm missing something I gotten use to using the ovs tools and hand looked through brctl for a while, maybe there's still a compatibility flag somewhere | 16:05 |
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| jproulx | humbolt: in an OpenStack set up you don't want bridges to have IPs but the do show up as inerface to 'ip addr' so you could configure it that way | 16:07 |
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| jproulx | though I'm a bit unusual in not using br-ex so perhaps that is special. | 16:09 |
| hk_peter | why people always want to bridge their VMs and having a real IP? | 16:09 |
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| jproulx | My trouble of the day is is with 'nova live-migration', instance moves, network good all the way through, but nova keeps reporting in on the old node (which it's not running on) in MIGRATING state, seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227836 (which is old with no real identification of problem in code) though I'm Using Ubuntu 12.04 and Havana - - anyone want to take that one on ? | 16:10 |
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| humbolt | hk_peter: I am following the havana ubuntu manual. And they suggest to create a br-ex and moving the IP of its physical interface to that bridge. | 16:11 |
| hk_peter | yes, i am doing the same | 16:12 |
| humbolt | hk_peter: that's why I want an IP on there. | 16:12 |
| hk_peter | when i bring up nova-network service, it will do that for me automatically | 16:12 |
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| jproulx | I cheated, defined all my networks as internal provider vlans and pointed their gateway to existing physical routers so my traffic doesn't all get squeezed at the network node | 16:13 |
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| hk_peter | it will create "br100", holding the real ip | 16:14 |
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| jproulx | (this breaks floating IPs, so I have to do everything with fixed-ips which may complicate things) | 16:14 |
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| hk_peter | 6: br100: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP | 16:15 |
| hk_peter | link/ether 74:d0:2b:80:6e:5c brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff | 16:15 |
| hk_peter | inet 10.0.0.1/24 brd 10.0.0.255 scope global br100 | 16:15 |
| hk_peter | inet 192.168.100.9/24 brd 192.168.100.255 scope global br100 | 16:15 |
| hk_peter | inet6 fe80::24a6:d2ff:fed2:221b/64 scope link | 16:15 |
| hk_peter | this is what my br100 looks like | 16:15 |
| humbolt | jproulx: interesting solution indeed. | 16:15 |
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| hk_peter | are you guys using dashboard to manage your openstack? or using command line? | 16:16 |
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| humbolt | jproulx: I found a doc on how to configure ovs bridges in /etc/network/interfaces. This might be the missing piece of the puzzle and why this stuff did not work for me yet. | 16:17 |
| jproulx | Working at a university and having a public /16 to use for fixed-ip addresses makes it a nice solution, but a luxury few can afford... | 16:17 |
| humbolt | jproulx: thanks for the hint | 16:17 |
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| jproulx | hk_peter I use a little of each | 16:17 |
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| Abby22 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 16:18 |
| hk_peter | @jproulx what you use mainly to manage your openstack? | 16:18 |
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| humbolt | jproulx: what if one does not serve the fixed IPs via dhcp but sets them hard in the disk images?! | 16:18 |
| jproulx | no teverything is exposed in dashboard and sometimes CLI is better for repetitive tasks using little shell loops and such | 16:18 |
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| hk_peter | jproulx: take a look my tool http://peter.kingofcoders.com , i am seeking team member | 16:19 |
| jproulx | humbolt then nova will still show make up IPs for them which are wrong... | 16:19 |
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| jproulx | hk_peter I'll check it out | 16:19 |
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| hk_peter | thanks | 16:20 |
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| jfarschman | Is it easy to add a second glance server? I think I'd like to build a new one and decommission the old one. | 16:21 |
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| jproulx | humbolt for host we need to have DNS for the API supports specifying fixed addrersses at boot we hacked an option into the dashboard to expose this to users and allocate dynamic-fixed IPs from the upper half of our range and really fixed-fixed IPs from the lower half using our preexisting IPAM/DNS registration tools. | 16:25 |
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| humbolt | jproulx: sounds interesting | 16:30 |
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| humbolt | jproulx: I wish I had the resources to do something like that. My resources are already overcommitted with keeping up with stable releases. | 16:32 |
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| jproulx | humbolt I hear that, switching from nova-network to neutron & implementing that setup nearly killed me over the summer. | 16:34 |
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| humbolt | what do I need br-ex for (neutron) | 16:49 |
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| humbolt | if the external (public internet) vlan exists on br-data as well? | 16:50 |
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| beraldo | helo, please... there are somebody that works with ryu ? i have one question about ryu integration with openstack. | 16:53 |
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| jproulx | humbolt l3-agent routers need (or at least typically use) br-ex | 16:57 |
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| jproulx | tehy put one interface on br-int which instances use as their gw and on interface on br-ex which they route the external world through | 16:58 |
| madorn | anyone notice that if you spin up a cirros image vm on a subnet with specified host route, cirros is not able to accept host route via dhcp | 16:58 |
| madorn | other os's support this option. | 16:58 |
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| humbolt | I am unsuccessfull with making my ovs br interfaces come up with IP setup after reboot (config in /e/n/interfaces) | 17:04 |
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| jproulx | humbolt won't help with your IP setup issues, but put up a pre-release ops-guide describing neutron interfaces and typical packet flows http://people.csail.mit.edu/jon/openstack-ops/content/network_troubleshooting.html#neutron_network_traffic_in_cloud (generated from review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68786) | 17:06 |
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| jproulx | wondering if I got the br-ex bits wrong there... | 17:07 |
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| djoreilly | humbolt: what OS? redhat/centos or ubuntu? | 17:11 |
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| humbolt | ubuntu | 17:12 |
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| djoreilly | humbolt: there are OVS specific stuff http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/openvswitch/saucy/view/head:/debian/openvswitch-switch.README.Debian | 17:12 |
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| djoreilly | humbolt: specific keywords for OVS and the page has examples | 17:13 |
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| param | hey | 17:14 |
| humbolt | djoreilly: I have read that file. But still the IP on the bridge does not come up. | 17:14 |
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| param | i was trying to use trystack cloud, there in creating network option, its asking for cidr ip adrress, what address should i fill there ? | 17:15 |
| humbolt | djoreilly: is the config in /e/n/interfaces enough, or do I need to have issued all the ovs-vsctl add-br commands as well? | 17:15 |
| djoreilly | humbolt: no you should not have to issue ovs commands | 17:16 |
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| humbolt | djoreilly: the ovs bridge got setup, but the IP is not there. | 17:18 |
| humbolt | when I now do "ifup --allow=ovs br-ex" it will work though. Weird. | 17:18 |
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| param | i was trying to use trystack cloud, there in creating network option, its asking for cidr ip adrress, what address should i fill there ? | 17:19 |
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| djoreilly | humbolt: I have never tried them - but maybe the stanza need the auto keyword | 17:20 |
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| param | ithttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6874137/ it gives me following error when i create the network on openstack dashboard | 17:31 |
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| andrewbogott | The docs for a single flat network in neutron says 'Floating IPs are not supported.' Is that different from a flat network with nova-network? | 17:56 |
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| andrewbogott | I'm trying to migrate from nova-network to neutron, don't want to lose use of public IPs | 17:56 |
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| blinky_ghost | hi, can anybody tell me how do I start an kvm instance automatically when my compute host reboots? | 19:27 |
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| mdorman | the libvirt-guests service normally does that, at least under centos. although i have seen mixed results with that actually working | 19:31 |
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| jfarschman | blinky_ghost: I think this has been the default behavior since folsom | 19:32 |
| jfarschman | start_guests_on_host_boot=true | 19:32 |
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| jfarschman | this is in my nova.conf | 19:32 |
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| cihhan | Anybody tried Win XP as a VM image? | 19:33 |
| blinky_ghost | jfarschman: I have this resume_guests_state_on_host_boot=false on my nova.conf | 19:33 |
| blinky_ghost | jfarschman: is the same thing? | 19:33 |
| jfarschman | I'm not sure. | 19:33 |
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| jfarschman | but false seems to means... do NOT resume the state, which was likely running | 19:34 |
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| blinky_ghost | jfarschman: I'll take a look, thanks | 19:35 |
| shibby | hello there; I need a little bit of guidance on Git | 19:35 |
| shibby | I'm trying to follow the instructions posted here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AddingYourBlog | 19:35 |
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| shibby | And when I get to the final step, "$ git review" and get the following response: "Errors running git rebase -i remotes/gerrit/master -- Interactive rebase already started" | 19:36 |
| shibby | I'm kind of stuck here and have been searching through the help page, but can't seem to figure out my next move | 19:37 |
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| shibby | anyone run into this before? | 19:37 |
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| larsks | shibby: It sounds like you may have started a rebase at some point. Does "git rebase --abort" do anything? You should preserve your changes first. | 19:41 |
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| shibby | larsks, thanks, I'll give that atry | 19:42 |
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| idreuser | Hi, Is it possible to issue a nova boot command from a virtual instance that was previously instantiated by a nova boot command on the control node? Why I need this service is to let the virtual instance spawn more instances without having to go through control node. If so, what are the packages I need to install? | 19:59 |
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| larsks | idreuser: You probably just need python-novaclient. You'll also need appropriate credentials in your instance, and you'll need to ensure that instances have access to the api server. | 20:02 |
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| dot | hello is it possible to disable csrf token on login page? | 20:03 |
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| dmsimard | idreuser: python-novaclient ? You'll need your keystone authentication too, either exported or passed inline | 20:03 |
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| idreuser | <larsks> I will try to install python-novaclient see if I can do a nova image-list. By credentials, you mean just the source novauserrc file (with tenant name, username and URL) right? | 20:06 |
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| idreuser | dmsimard: I will try installing python-novaclient and source keystone authentication as well. Thanks! | 20:08 |
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| dot | hello is it possible to disable csrf token on login page? anyone pls? | 20:12 |
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| idreuser | dmsimard and larsks: I think the problem is that my floating IP address is 10.0.0.0/24 and on the control node management address is 10.10.10.0/24 and the api is defined the nova.conf file to be 10.10.10.10. when I did nova --debug image-list, it is looking for 10.10.10.10 subnet. The control node also has 10.0.0.2 ip address. Is there any way to redirect the traffic to that addres from the virtual instance? | 20:18 |
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| larsks | idreuser: I'm not sure I'm following you exactly. If you're using the same iprange on an internal network and on an external network...which is what I *think* you're saying, but I'm not sure -- your life will be unnecessarily difficult. | 20:21 |
| larsks | You would work around that by some sort of NAT rules to allow instances to use a different address for the controller. But it wouldn't be pretty. | 20:21 |
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| idreuser | larsks: My compute nodes and control nodes are in the 10.10.10.0/24 network, but when I assign floating point IP address through quantum (Grizzly release) I give it in the 10.0.0.0/24 ip range. | 20:22 |
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| gamekiller77 | quick question for all do i need nova-metadata if using neutron-metadata or are they dependent | 20:23 |
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| larsks | gamekiller77: neutron simply provides a metadata *proxy* that talks to the nova metadata server. | 20:23 |
| gamekiller77 | perfect | 20:23 |
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| gamekiller77 | was not to clear to me | 20:23 |
| gamekiller77 | btw larsks not sure i told you guys but hit a bug in Ceilometer with mongoDB | 20:24 |
| gamekiller77 | RDO does not have the updated rpm yet to fix it | 20:24 |
| larsks | gamekiller77: which bug? Is there a bugzilla for it? | 20:24 |
| gamekiller77 | yes | 20:25 |
| gamekiller77 | let me post it | 20:25 |
| gamekiller77 | it here https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2014-0046.html | 20:26 |
| gamekiller77 | bug number | 20:26 |
| gamekiller77 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047872 | 20:26 |
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| gamekiller77 | the update posted in the top post fixed my bug | 20:26 |
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| larsks | gamekiller77: Thanks. It looks like it was released for RHOS; I'll see if I can find out anything about the RDO pacakges. | 20:28 |
| larsks | Or packages, even. | 20:28 |
| gamekiller77 | no go | 20:29 |
| gamekiller77 | it planned for RDO in icehouse | 20:29 |
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| gamekiller77 | was trying to get an ETA on RDO for havana but did not get any | 20:29 |
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| Abby30 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:46 |
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| kitplummer | i noticed there are a few options for OS training…anyone here have first-hand experience with in-classroom training? | 20:48 |
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| gamekiller77 | my co worker when to the Rackspace training | 20:52 |
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| kitplummer | gamekiller77: any feedback? good or bad? | 20:52 |
| * prometheanfire works at rackspace, so take with a grain of salt | 20:52 | |
| gamekiller77 | from what he told me | 20:53 |
| gamekiller77 | it was good | 20:53 |
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| prometheanfire | it's good, both the neutron and swift classes (haven't taken the nova one yet) | 20:53 |
| gamekiller77 | it was pretty much all the stuff i had already TOI with him | 20:53 |
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| notmyname | gamekiller77: great to hear. if you have any further questions about swift, I'll be happy to try to answer or find someone who can | 20:54 |
| gamekiller77 | sorry to say we are not using swift | 20:54 |
| gamekiller77 | we opted for Ceph | 20:54 |
| gamekiller77 | we do not have a use case for object storage as of yet | 20:55 |
| prometheanfire | notmyname: hihi | 20:55 |
| kitplummer | any thoughts on the redhat course? | 20:55 |
| jproulx | kitplummer: I also had a coworker that did a compressed version of the Rackspace training, was generally positive, though he wished it wasn't compressed. | 20:56 |
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| kitplummer | thanks jproulx - that's good info, will watch out for that. | 20:58 |
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| gamekiller77 | so kitplummer i look at this who is the most contributing company to the code stack. Well sorry to say RH is so i would be going that way now. My team has adopted 100% RH OPST infra | 21:00 |
| gamekiller77 | not the ubuntu setup | 21:00 |
| kitplummer | i hear ya. | 21:01 |
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| gamekiller77 | my two cents | 21:01 |
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| kitplummer | just need to on-ramp a few folks rapidly, avoiding as much noise as possible. :) | 21:02 |
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| gamekiller77 | GL with that kitplummer | 21:06 |
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| kitplummer | gamekiller77: cheers for the insight. | 21:09 |
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| brucelee | hi, what how does aws/openstack cloud model differ from the vmware cloud? | 22:11 |
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| brucelee | ive read articles that talk about how vmware's cloud is a 'cloud-in', aws cloud is a cloud-out | 22:12 |
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| brucelee | not really sure why a difference needs to be distinguished | 22:12 |
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| _cjones_ | brucelee, private vs. public clouds. | 22:16 |
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| brucelee | _cjones_: openstack can also be a private cloud right? | 22:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it does both | 22:26 |
| brucelee | yeah | 22:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | whether its public or private depends on your business model | 22:26 |
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| brucelee | ok, so openstack is both private and public, but the industry likes to categorize vmware vcloud as a different type of 'cloud' than aws/openstack | 22:27 |
| brucelee | claiming that each cloud is meant for a different audience | 22:27 |
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| brucelee | i really dont understand how | 22:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont think you'll see vmware running a public cloud because it's too expensive | 22:28 |
| brucelee | this all stems from comparing vcloud automation center vs openstack | 22:28 |
| _cjones_ | Sam-I-Am: ++ | 22:28 |
| brucelee | they say its an apples to oranges comparison | 22:28 |
| humbolt | If I create a shared network in neutron, but do not set a gateway, how can I access my VMs to test connectivity? | 22:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: vnc console? the lack of gateway might not get you very far. | 22:29 |
| _cjones_ | bruecelee: It is... vmware is not cheap, but it is a well proven, robust solution. | 22:29 |
| _cjones_ | openstack is not so much... | 22:29 |
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| brucelee | _cjones_: why is it an apples to oranges comparison though | 22:29 |
| brucelee | they both do the same thing | 22:29 |
| brucelee | one just costs more for more robust | 22:29 |
| brucelee | one is free | 22:30 |
| brucelee | less robust | 22:30 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: vnc console does not help me much, as I have configured access via rsa keys but not via pwd. | 22:30 |
| brucelee | thats the comparison right? its not apples to oranges | 22:30 |
| _cjones_ | My Honda Civic does the same thing as an F1 racecar. | 22:30 |
| brucelee | _cjones_: thats also not an apples to orange comparison, you are comparing cars | 22:30 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: the VMs don't seem to get served an IP via DHCP. What might be wrong there? | 22:30 |
| _cjones_ | My F1 racecar does the same thing as a dump truck. | 22:30 |
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| brucelee | i mean they talk about openstack vs vmware | 22:31 |
| brucelee | as two cloud solutions having completely different use cases | 22:31 |
| _cjones_ | By that logic, apples and oranges are the same. Both round fruits. | 22:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: could be a networking config problem | 22:31 |
| brucelee | _cjones_: i didnt verbalize that comparison good enough but theres something im trying to get at here | 22:31 |
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| _cjones_ | we've gotten at it. | 22:32 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: probably, haha. | 22:32 |
| _cjones_ | Different uses. | 22:32 |
| brucelee | _cjones_: its that they say vclouds usecase is completely different from openstacks | 22:32 |
| brucelee | you compare two products with same use cases | 22:32 |
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| brucelee | for the use case of having a portal that allows users to create VMs and stuff, why cant you compare the two? | 22:32 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: I was about to make the same assumption. No really, how can I debug this? | 22:32 |
| _cjones_ | I would say there is some overlap... like I said, you can take your F1 to work and back... | 22:33 |
| brucelee | likewise, for the use case of getting from point A to point B for lowest possible cost, why cant you compare F1 racecar vs a honda | 22:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: is this a new install? | 22:33 |
| brucelee | when you compare two things based on a use case, its totally not apples and oranges | 22:33 |
| _cjones_ | You can also use a bulldozer.... | 22:33 |
| _cjones_ | It is. | 22:33 |
| _cjones_ | both round fruits. | 22:33 |
| brucelee | so youre saying you cant compare vmware vs openstack for the use case of a portal allowing users to provision their own VMs? | 22:34 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: it is. Neutron did not work yet. I had nova-network running before but moved to neutron and deinstalled nova-network. | 22:34 |
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| _cjones_ | brucelee, yes, you can use both. | 22:34 |
| brucelee | _cjones_: im talking about vcloud automation center vs openstack | 22:34 |
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| _cjones_ | Take the bus, drive your car, or your bulldozer, you'll eventually get there. | 22:34 |
| brucelee | not vmware esxi hyperviso rand openstack | 22:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: hmm... what arch? three nodes? did you check the l3agent and dhcp agent logs? | 22:35 |
| brucelee | so by that analogy, for my use case, it doesnt matter which i use... how about this, in what situations would you choose using openstack over using vmware automation center? | 22:35 |
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| brucelee | lets say youre familiar with both | 22:36 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: for starters, is it enough, if l3agend and dhcp agent only run on the network node but not on the compute nodes? | 22:36 |
| _cjones_ | Do you have a bunch of developers/IT staff sitting around with nothing to do? Try Openstack.... | 22:36 |
| _cjones_ | Do you have ooodles of cash and can pay to have something working and up quickly with lots of support, Vmware. | 22:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: they only run on the network node... plus the L2 agent. the L2 agent also runs on the compute nodes. | 22:37 |
| _cjones_ | You're asking the questions from the wrong way around. | 22:37 |
| humbolt | problem or not? 2014-02-04 23:15:58.746 14302 ERROR neutron.common.legacy [-] Skipping unknown group key: firewall_driver | 22:37 |
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| brucelee | _cjones_: but as far as the goal of getting up a cloud, if money is not a problem, theres no reason to use openstack right? | 22:37 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: l2agent is openvswitch plugin, I suppose?! | 22:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: yes | 22:37 |
| brucelee | is there a single benefit of using openstack? | 22:37 |
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| _cjones_ | brucelee, you could also ditch all of them and go with a third option... | 22:38 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: what about this firewall_driver error? | 22:38 |
| brucelee | _cjones_: which option? | 22:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: that error is fine iirc | 22:38 |
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| _cjones_ | cloudstack, asure, aws, rackspace... they'res also a million other public cloud providers out there. | 22:38 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: that is all I see there. | 22:38 |
| _cjones_ | You're asking the wrong questions. | 22:38 |
| _cjones_ | You're asking "how do I get to work"... well, you can start from scratch and walk... or you can use what is out there... | 22:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: did you follow the instructions in the installation guide? | 22:39 |
| _cjones_ | You need to limit the scope: "I need to get to work in 5minutes, for 5dollars a day, and I'd like to get some excercise"... I'd say, get on a bike.... | 22:40 |
| humbolt | 2014-02-04 23:16:49.691 14200 WARNING neutron.db.agentschedulers_db [-] Fail scheduling network {'status': u'ACTIVE', 'subnets': [u'27cb7b7b-9934-4509-bb72-3cf628d48c95'], 'name': u'vlan222', 'provider:physical_network': u'physdata', 'admin_state_up': True, 'tenant_id': u'787f002d2257439bb43ac28645809753', 'provider:network_type': u'vlan', 'router:external': False, 'shared': True, 'id': u'90604d38-c9a7-45be-8cbf-63415b857968', ' | 22:40 |
| _cjones_ | vs. "I need to get to work that is 10hrs drive away, and I really don't care how much it costs"... hire a jet! | 22:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: looks like something is broken | 22:41 |
| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: I did follow those instructions as far as the config is concerned. However I did not follow the network installation instructions there but in another doc, to start with the most simple setup possible. | 22:41 |
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| humbolt | does the segmentation_id correspond to the vlan ID? | 22:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | no | 22:43 |
| humbolt | how can I create a network with a certain vlan tag, so it is available on other machines throughout the vlan as well. | 22:43 |
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| humbolt | Sam-I-Am: I thought so, as it shows tag:1 in ovs-vsctl show. | 22:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | this vlan is on other parts of your network? | 22:43 |
| humbolt | yes | 22:45 |
| humbolt | it is a preexisting vlan, that I want to have access to from my VMs ... some of them. | 22:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | humbolt: i dont know what configuration you used | 22:47 |
| humbolt | openvswitch vlan setup | 22:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or... document covering it | 22:48 |
| brucelee | ok _cjones_ from everything we've talked about | 22:48 |
| _cjones_ | brucelee, yes. | 22:48 |
| brucelee | seems like openstack is just an opensource version of vcac | 22:48 |
| brucelee | which was what i was trying to determine | 22:48 |
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| brucelee | and as such, we can compare the two,.. like openoffice vs ms office, kvm vs vmware esxi, openstack vs vcloud | 22:49 |
| brucelee | but articles i've read suggest thats like comparing apples and oragnes | 22:49 |
| brucelee | and i just wanted ot see why thats so | 22:49 |
| _cjones_ | brucelee, article? | 22:50 |
| brucelee | http://www.mirantis.com/blog/cloud-prizefight-vmware-vs-openstack/ | 22:50 |
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| _cjones_ | I see this more of an apples to apples comparison of features pros/cons so far. | 22:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brucelee: they basically do the same things with minor differences. | 22:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the goal is *aaS, virtual data center, etc. | 22:54 |
| _cjones_ | brucelee, this article seems to articulate what I said. Pick your poison... | 22:54 |
| madorn | it's not a real comparison | 22:55 |
| _cjones_ | madorn, I agree. | 22:55 |
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| madorn | mirantis is in the business of deploying openstack | 22:55 |
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| _cjones_ | If anything, you have to remember that mirantis does work with openstack. | 22:55 |
| _cjones_ | hahahah ++ | 22:55 |
| madorn | they don't deploy both.. | 22:55 |
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| brucelee | i see | 22:55 |
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| madorn | brucelee: are you debating which iaas platform to utilize? | 22:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | a number of companies are popping up to package openstack for ease of deployment and to provide support | 22:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats one of the nice things about open source | 22:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | look at redhat, for example. | 22:56 |
| brucelee | madorn: actually i guess most of the confusion lies this: | 22:57 |
| brucelee | Enterprise legacy application vs. cloud-aware application | 22:57 |
| brucelee | from that mirantis article, im just confused because they say certain applications works better in a vcloud tyupe infrastructure, whereas others work better in an aws/openstack infrastructure | 22:57 |
| madorn | what are you trying to do? | 22:57 |
| brucelee | i was trying to gain more insight into what kind of application | 22:57 |
| brucelee | like a lampstack | 22:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | here's a way to look at it | 22:58 |
| madorn | honestly | 22:58 |
| brucelee | but i cant think of any application that may work with one but not the other, they both seem pretty similar | 22:58 |
| madorn | if you are deploying windows server...don't go with openstack. | 22:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now if you want a lamp box, you install the OS, do updates, install the lamp packages, configure, etc. | 22:58 |
| cjellick | hi. im seeing some weird behavior with our glance install: when i take a snapshot, it gets queued and the deleted a few seconds later | 22:58 |
| madorn | vmware has better compatibility with microsoft os | 22:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | with 'cloud aware' you push a button and the VM is there and configured for you | 22:58 |
| madorn | vmware tools and such. | 22:58 |
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| madorn | cloud-init for windows exists for openstac, but its not there yet. | 22:58 |
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| madorn | if you are deploying linux based apps. openstack. | 22:59 |
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| brucelee | ah ok | 22:59 |
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| madorn | cjellick: how is your glance configured | 22:59 |
| madorn | to use which storage backend | 22:59 |
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| _cjones_ | brucelee, it really depends on your requirements, usecases, situation, etc. | 22:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cjellick: in your glance-*.conf, do you have 'flavor = keystone' under [paste_deploy] ? | 23:00 |
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| _cjones_ | without knowing all this, your budget, man power, already owned infrastructure that you'd like to push to make use for a public/private cloud model, etc... it's hard for anyone to say "this choice is better". | 23:01 |
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| cjellick | sam-i-am | 23:01 |
| cjellick | close to that | 23:01 |
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| cjellick | flavor=keystone+cachemanagement | 23:02 |
| brucelee | i see... i think i have a way better idea now | 23:02 |
| brucelee | thanks all :) | 23:02 |
| cjellick | file system backend | 23:02 |
| madorn | did you check cinder logs? | 23:03 |
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| brucelee | for infrastructure capabilities, vmware is probably the best way to go i guess | 23:03 |
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| madorn | cjellick: did you get check cinder logs | 23:04 |
| brucelee | for purely cloud applications... where developers dont realy need to care much about infrastructure, then openstack :p | 23:04 |
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| brucelee | infrastructure as in backup on the block level using NetApp storage replication or something | 23:04 |
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| cjellick | no cinder running. this is for snapshotting the actually vm, not attached disk | 23:05 |
| cjellick | *actual | 23:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brucelee: i dont know if i'd go that far | 23:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brucelee: openstack has some viable options, and more vendors are supporting openstack now. | 23:06 |
| madorn | oh i see | 23:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | cjellick: or the glance logs, really. also set verbose=true if you havent yet. | 23:06 |
| brucelee | Sam-I-Am: :P | 23:07 |
| brucelee | yeah thats kind of an exageration | 23:07 |
| brucelee | but one clear cut example would be atlassian jira | 23:07 |
| brucelee | off the bat, the application doesnt support replication | 23:07 |
| brucelee | sure we can host on the cloud, and trust that it will never go down | 23:08 |
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| brucelee | but if you want to home brew a replication, it wouldb e all infrastructure level stuff | 23:08 |
| cjellick | yeah, glance logs are glean, just saying that they received an api request to delete. weird | 23:08 |
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| madorn | nothing pops up in the logs when you snapshot? | 23:09 |
| brucelee | so i guess in this regards, having more fine grained control over the infrastructure stack would be important | 23:09 |
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| brucelee | but really thats just a small examplea nd even then you could probably make it work over the cloud | 23:10 |
| madorn | cjellick; what are you suing | 23:11 |
| madorn | for hypervisor on compute host where vm resides | 23:11 |
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| cjellick | kvm | 23:11 |
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| madorn | what's your environment | 23:12 |
| madorn | single node? | 23:12 |
| madorn | how's your space looking | 23:12 |
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| cjellick | no, multi-node, and we multiple envs (dev, test, stage) and this happens in all of them | 23:12 |
| cjellick | they have varying numbers of compute nodes | 23:12 |
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| madorn | cjellick: any errors in nova? | 23:17 |
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| madorn | nova logs | 23:17 |
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| cjellick | going to look in the compute host logs…was only looking at the nova api logs | 23:17 |
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| madorn | when you look at the logs do a *.log | 23:20 |
| madorn | so you can see at all | 23:20 |
| madorn | and grep for that instance id | 23:20 |
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| ron-slc_ | http://slashdot.org/submission/3316063/hewlett-packard-turns-buggy-software-and-firmware-into-a-revenue-stream | 23:39 |
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| cjellick | fyi, i think im hitting this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1247185 | 23:49 |
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| cjellick | thanks for the help madorn | 23:49 |
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| madorn | no problem, checking it out | 23:53 |
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