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mili | Hi, Dose anyone know if it is possible to assign floating ip directly to VM with in Per-tenant routers with private networks | 01:40 |
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horia_ | Hello, can someone please point me to a brief tutorial on creating a two node openstack cluster (one controller + networking node, one compute node) where instantiated VMs are automatically assigned floating IPs and they are able to communicate with the outside world? | 04:22 |
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Amresh_ | @all I am successfully running RDO on a single server and looking into the option to set a cluster with RDO having two controller nodes and four compute nodes. Searched over Internet and went through few docs too but not getting a clear idea on how to proceed. | 09:37 |
Amresh_ | Any help will be appreciated | 09:37 |
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Styles | Hey guys | 09:43 |
Amresh_ | Hi | 09:43 |
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sld | Is anyone here that is not afk... familiar with this message that is seen in 'nova show' output for a failed-to-build instance: Version 1.9 of Instance is not supported | 09:45 |
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inc0 | o/ | 10:46 |
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rascasoft | Hi everybody, hope you can help me. I can't find out how to inject my keys in the newly created instances. The error on the compute node is "Ignoring error injecting data into image (Error mounting /var/lib/nova/instances/.../disk with libguestfs (external command failed, see earlier error messages) But I don't have any earlier message. | 10:58 |
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openstack925 | hi | 11:43 |
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nacer | mmm glance cli with the option --location don't seem to wotk with rbd storage | 11:48 |
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nacer | there is a scheduler with glance service ? | 12:18 |
nacer | i scheduler that download the file from --location ? | 12:18 |
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openstack925 | any one help me to solve this error: | 12:21 |
openstack925 | [root@object ~]# swift stat Account HEAD failed: http://10.230.1.5:8080/v1/AUTH_c570931432fc431aa7b63b09f56098f3 503 Internal Server Error | 12:21 |
openstack925 | [root@object ~]# swift stat | 12:21 |
openstack925 | Account HEAD failed: http://10.230.1.5:8080/v1/AUTH_c570931432fc431aa7b63b09f56098f3 503 Internal Server Error | 12:21 |
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openstack925 | hi anyone | 12:31 |
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anand | hi all, one quick question. If I have 2 compute nodes and instance storage of both nodes ie, /var/lib/nova/instance been mounted to separate storage by nfs. If one node goes down is it possible to access the instance from the other node? | 12:55 |
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anand | I tried that method and when I shutdown my node1, at first the instance is getting shutoff . why can't it run from 2nd compute node.? | 12:56 |
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xp1990 | Any one around to help with a keystone issue? | 14:20 |
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sld | i can try and take a stab... whatcha got? | 14:20 |
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xp1990 | Trying to deploy openstack to 5 nodes. | 14:20 |
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xp1990 | Controller refuses to start the keystone service. | 14:21 |
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sld | anything in the logs of note? | 14:21 |
sld | or errors output to console? | 14:21 |
xp1990 | I've checked the same configuration scripts on the other nodes and they can all deploy it fine. | 14:21 |
xp1990 | I do. One second :) | 14:21 |
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xp1990 | CRITICAL keystone [-] Class Identity cannot be found (['Traceback (most recent call last):\n', ' File "/opt/stack/keystone/keystone/openstack/common/importutils.py", line 30, in import_class\n __import__(mod_str)\n', ' File "/opt/stack/keystone/keystone/identity/backends/sql.py", line 18, in <module>\n from keystone.common import sql\n', ' File "/opt/stack/keystone/keystone/common/sql/__init__.py", line 18, in <module>\n from ke | 14:25 |
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sld | sounds like an incomplete install, if it can't find the class... or the path doesn't have it in it. | 14:26 |
xp1990 | hmmmm | 14:26 |
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xp1990 | install script works on other nodes. But the one I want to use as controller just won't get past starting keystone.... | 14:27 |
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sld | compare package installation status of that node with the others, and also compare versions, since some things change between versions sometimes. | 14:28 |
xp1990 | good idea :) | 14:28 |
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Fetch | I've started seeing ovsdb-server lock up (not responding to connections from ovs-vswitchd) on a couple of high-use compute hosts, on Grizzly+Quantum (CentOS, recent packages from RDO repo). Anyone else see such nastiness? | 14:44 |
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rascasoft | Hi everybody, let's try again and hope you can help me. I can't find out how to inject my keys in the newly created instances. The error on the compute node is "Ignoring error injecting data into image (Error mounting /var/lib/nova/instances/.../disk with libguestfs (external command failed, see earlier error messages) But I don't have any earlier message. | 15:30 |
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kbringard | rascasoft: do you have cloud-init on the image you're booting? | 15:30 |
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kbringard | I've never had much luck getting keys injected straight into the image | 15:30 |
kbringard | I've always relied on cloud-init getting them from meta-data | 15:30 |
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kbringard | and that, either via the API or config_drive (later versions of cloud-init should support either, but I prefer config_drive when possible because it's less error prone) | 15:31 |
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rascasoft | kbringard: no, I don't know what it is | 15:31 |
kbringard | it's included in the stock Ubuntu images | 15:31 |
rascasoft | but wait | 15:32 |
kbringard | basically, it's a suite of scripts which query the meta-data for the instance and do stuff based on it | 15:32 |
kbringard | one of which is inject the ssh_key you specified to go onto the image | 15:32 |
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rascasoft | ok, is there an howto about it? I've followed the official one, and everything went fine until the key issues | 15:33 |
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kbringard | hmmm, I'd have to look… I thought using meta-data was fairly standard these days | 15:33 |
kbringard | hey jroovers :-) | 15:33 |
rascasoft | searching around pointed me on some kind of bug, so maybe following another way should be good | 15:33 |
jroovers | hey kbringard :-) | 15:34 |
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rascasoft | kbringard: but WHEN does cloud-init comes up? | 15:34 |
rascasoft | at this moment I'm creating instances in the classical way, by nove boot | 15:34 |
kbringard | well, it needs to be baked into the image you're launching | 15:35 |
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kbringard | one sec | 15:35 |
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rascasoft | does cloud-init involve another kind of approach | 15:36 |
rascasoft | ? | 15:36 |
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kbringard | http://paste.openstack.org/show/65465/ | 15:37 |
kbringard | so what happens is… there's a meta-data API which runs on the infrastructure side | 15:38 |
kbringard | when the instance boots, after the VM gets an IP, you can make API calls to 169.254.269.254 and get information about the VM | 15:38 |
kbringard | stuff like, what IP it was assigned, what disks were allocated to it, and the ssh keys assigned to it | 15:38 |
larsks | kbringard: http://169.254.169.254/ (<-- bad ip in your last message) | 15:39 |
rascasoft | ok | 15:39 |
kbringard | thank you | 15:39 |
kbringard | larsks ^^ | 15:39 |
kbringard | cloud-init, if installed in the VM | 15:39 |
kbringard | will run when the VM boots, make these API calls and put the information where it needs to go | 15:40 |
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rascasoft | ok, that's clear | 15:40 |
kbringard | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content//section_metadata-service.html | 15:40 |
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rascasoft | in any case it makes me mad to understand what my message log means | 15:41 |
rascasoft | since there are no details | 15:41 |
larsks | kbringard: google results for docs.openstack.org include an extra "/". If you chabnge that "//" to "/" you get a nicer page: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_metadata-service.html | 15:41 |
kbringard | here's a really good article on how it works with Neutron (the article was written when it was still quantum): http://techbackground.blogspot.com/2013/06/metadata-via-quantum-router.html | 15:41 |
kbringard | yea, that I don't know | 15:41 |
kbringard | larsks: again, thanks :-) | 15:41 |
kbringard | I was wondering wtf was up with that | 15:41 |
rascasoft | note that if i try to run guestfish --ro -a /var/lib/nova/instances/8bfb118a-ac1c-4634-9ec6-a6388693b4ba/disk -i | 15:42 |
rascasoft | just to know if everything is ok "manually" | 15:42 |
kbringard | rascasoft: as for your error, I don't know… I've not dealt with trying to inject data directly into images with OpenStack since bexar | 15:42 |
rascasoft | I get "febootstrap-supermin-helper: ext2: parent directory not found: /lib: File not found by ext2_lookup" | 15:42 |
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kbringard | sounds like some kind of dependency issue | 15:43 |
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kbringard | https://www.redhat.com/archives/libguestfs/2012-May/msg00157.html ? | 15:44 |
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rascasoft | Yes, I already saw that, I don't have that specific file | 15:45 |
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rascasoft | but following that thread it suggests to run update-guestfs-appliance | 15:45 |
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rascasoft | and my run ends with a segfault | 15:45 |
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kbringard | brb | 15:46 |
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rascasoft | the specific error is this one: http://paste.openstack.org/show/65470/ | 15:46 |
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kbringard | segfault, eww | 15:47 |
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rascasoft | so, after the "wanted packages to download" it gets segfault | 15:47 |
rascasoft | I'm using the last 12.04 ubuntu | 15:47 |
kbringard | not really sure what to tell you, except that that problem seems to be larger than OpenStack :-/ | 15:47 |
ik__ | can I configure openstack/cinder on centos 5.8? | 15:48 |
rascasoft | larger than OpenStack? you mean something related to the system? | 15:48 |
rascasoft | This is a fresh install | 15:49 |
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ikhan | #openstack-dev | 15:49 |
kbringard | yea, something else going on… if you can't run a guestfs command manually on the system then I'd wager the issue is there somewhere | 15:50 |
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rascasoft | ok I will try the other channel | 15:50 |
rascasoft | thank you guys | 15:50 |
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kbringard | has anyone tried using Designate in Havana? | 15:51 |
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ikhan | rascasoft: it was typo.. | 15:54 |
rascasoft | ikhan: what? | 15:54 |
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rascasoft | you don't suggest to ask there= | 15:54 |
rascasoft | ? | 15:54 |
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kbringard | I think he was trying to join the channel | 15:55 |
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kbringard | not telling you to ask there :-) | 15:55 |
rascasoft | lol, but maybe someone there could help me | 15:56 |
ikhan | Thanks kbringard :) | 15:56 |
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ikhan | rascasoft: what's your problem ? | 15:56 |
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rascasoft | this one: http://paste.openstack.org/show/65470/ | 15:56 |
ikhan | rascasoft: sorry I missed your problem. joined later.. | 15:56 |
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rascasoft | np | 15:57 |
rascasoft | I get that segfault | 15:57 |
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rascasoft | I ended with that command since I cannot inject my keys on the instance, the error is related to libguestfs | 15:58 |
rascasoft | if I lunch this command: guestfish --ro -a /var/lib/nova/instances/8bfb118a-ac1c-4634-9ec6-a6388693b4ba/disk -i I get febootstrap-supermin-helper: ext2: parent directory not found: /lib: File not found by ext2_lookup | 15:59 |
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rascasoft | ikhan: do you have any tip? | 16:00 |
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ikhan | rascasoft: nope, was googling about the issue.. did tmp file gave any logs? | 16:01 |
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rascasoft | No logs in the tmp | 16:02 |
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ikhan | rascasoft: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libguestfs/+bug/1263989 | 16:05 |
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rascasoft | whoa, following your link, I endend up in this link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libguestfs/+bug/1186228 and it seems that adding paths to /usr/lib/guestfs/supermin.d/00-missing-dir something changes | 16:11 |
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rascasoft | but it does not solve the problem | 16:12 |
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matzie | I'm planning a deployment with 10 compute nodes, 6 of which I want to have a 1:1 commit ratio and the others probably 1:4. I'm aware (in theory at least) of using AZs or host aggregates to achieve that, but I'd also like the ability to manage instance scheduling manually (or at least outside of the scheduler itself), saying "launch this instance on host 3". Is there a way I could have my cake and eat it too? I | 16:21 |
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matzie | can I maybe have two AZ's and 10 host aggregates? or am I misunderstanding something :-) | 16:22 |
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askk | hi | 16:30 |
askk | how can I force heat to execute a command (like poweroff) before terminating an instance during the downscale process? So..I need to terminate instance gracefully during a downscale :) | 16:30 |
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matzie | any ideas? | 16:37 |
hesco | running /usr/bin/keystone --debug user-list gives me: Failed to retrieve management_url from token | 16:37 |
hesco | any idea where I need to set the management_url to avoid this error? | 16:37 |
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perfectsine | Does anyone have Docker working within OpenStack right now? | 16:42 |
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matzie | @perfectsine: http://www.slideshare.net/dotCloud/docker-open-stack gives instructions for getting docker to work with devstack, might help | 16:46 |
perfectsine | I'm needing non-devstack references =/ I tried devstack earlier and it also seemed broken | 16:48 |
matzie | tell me about it... | 16:48 |
matzie | those instructions didn't actually work for me, but I assumed I'd done something wrong | 16:48 |
perfectsine | what did you run into? | 16:48 |
perfectsine | I got it all installed | 16:48 |
matzie | it was a while ago, sorry can't remember | 16:48 |
perfectsine | but it wouldn't launch a new container from nova | 16:49 |
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perfectsine | matzie: I believe you'll need an availibility zone per node, seems a bit overkill | 16:51 |
perfectsine | but it should work | 16:51 |
perfectsine | you'll have to set the availability zone filter | 16:51 |
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perfectsine | then you can set the CPU allocation ratio | 16:51 |
perfectsine | per zone | 16:51 |
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matzie | thanks will look into that | 16:51 |
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perfectsine | hesco: what is the output of keystone endpoint-list ? | 16:53 |
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gstaicu | hello! | 16:59 |
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gstaicu | please, can someone help me to debug a problem related to spawning multiple instances from a volume snapshot? | 16:59 |
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gstaicu | is there someone who succeded to spawn more than 10 instances once from a volume snap without err? | 17:04 |
gstaicu | on havana? | 17:04 |
gstaicu | having ceph as a backend for cinder? | 17:04 |
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Birk | Where can I set the default quotas for Horizon? | 17:15 |
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larsks | Birk: You can manage quotas using the "Projects" tab on the "Admin" panel. To the right of each project is a menu that includes "modify quotas". Is that what you're looking for? | 17:20 |
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larsks | Birk: You can manage *default* quotas (the quotas applied to new tenants/projects) from the command line; see http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide-admin/content/cli_set_quotas.html | 17:21 |
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gstaicu | anybody with experience in launching tens of instances once from volume snap on havana? | 17:22 |
Birk | larsks: I mean the ones that are listed on Default page on Admin tab. How can I add or remove quotas from there? | 17:23 |
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larsks | Birk: In my dashboard, there is an "Update Defaults" button on that page. | 17:23 |
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larsks | ...which allows me to edit the defaults. | 17:23 |
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Birk | larsks: Yes, mine too. But I mean, how can I remove the "Security Group Rules" quota from this list, for example. Or add it again. | 17:25 |
hesco | what is a management_url and where is one configured? grep'ing the config files I have in place so far does not help me answer that question. | 17:26 |
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larsks | Birk: I don't think you can remove/add quotas; I think you just modify them. | 17:26 |
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larsks | I believe the list of "things for which there are quotas" is fixed. | 17:27 |
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larsks | hesco: Where do you find a reference to "management_url"? | 17:27 |
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hesco | larsks: output of /usr/bin/keystone --debug user-list | 17:29 |
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larsks | What does it say, exactly? | 17:29 |
hesco | larsks: https://gist.github.com/hesco/9f22775e42bea8f64684 | 17:31 |
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hesco | larsks: and thank you for taking a look at this as well. | 17:31 |
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Birk | larsks: ok, thanks for your time! | 17:32 |
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hesco | perhaps I am focused on the wrong piece of this, but some how I need to get my keystone user-list verification working so that I can move forward to the next step. | 17:35 |
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larsks | hesco: Do you have any endpoints configured in keystone? | 17:35 |
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larsks | hesco: compare these results: https://gist.github.com/larsks/9005371 | 17:37 |
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larsks | The first is the response from your keystone, which has an empty serviceCatalog; the second is the response from my keystone. | 17:37 |
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xresonance | i once had empty service catalog when calling api and forgetting to include tenant id… | 17:44 |
larsks | xresonance: Good point. I think I have seen that, too. | 17:44 |
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larsks | ...and I see that tenantId is missing from hesco's auth request. | 17:45 |
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larsks | Although it has tenantName, which ought to suffice. | 17:45 |
hesco | ok, thanks larsks: that was very helpful. looks like my next step is to register an endpoint for keystone in the service catalogue. | 17:46 |
larsks | If you haven't done that yes...then yes, you'll need to create all the standard service entries. | 17:46 |
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hesco | thanks, researching that point next. | 17:46 |
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xhae | nova is creating chains and rules in iptables that are just plain wrong, they don't correspond to any existing instance. what can I do?! | 18:05 |
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PEPPERONIE | xhae: ruh oh | 18:07 |
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xhae | The problem is this, there are multiple chains per IP that don't correspond to instances on this host: http://pastie.org/8734028 | 18:08 |
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atpa8a | hmm | 18:22 |
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atpa8a | am i understanding it correctly that if i want to use multiple volume groups with cinder, i need to configure multi back-end?.. | 18:23 |
atpa8a | right... looks like it | 18:24 |
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gmi | xhae:run "virsh list --all" to see if there are stopped instances | 18:27 |
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kbringard | has anyone used designate for Havana? | 18:33 |
kbringard | thoughts? is it ready for prime time? | 18:33 |
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gmi | kbringard: try in #openstack-dns | 18:38 |
kbringard | thanks, gmi | 18:38 |
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MrCurious | http://opensource.com/business/14/2/openstack-parallels-linux | 18:56 |
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ikhan | atpa8a: you can create as many volume groups out of one backend | 19:12 |
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hesco | This link: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt-debian/content/keystone-install.html shows how to use dpkg-reconfigure to register keypoints in the identity service. Can anyone please suggest how I script what's going on under the hood, for use in a puppet manifest? what does dpkg-reconfigure invoke to get its job done? Or how is it I could dissect a debian package to figure that out for myself? | 19:14 |
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larsks | hesco: This document discusses registering endpoints with the "keystone" command: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/yum/content/keystone-services.html | 19:17 |
larsks | Is that what you're looking for? | 19:17 |
larsks | There's a section in that guide for each service that includes the appropriate commands. | 19:18 |
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hesco | thanks larsks: will check that out. | 20:09 |
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walterhe_ | question: if you were to go to an OpenStack training, would you prefer a vanilla openstack training, or one from a specific vendor (Mirantis, Red Hat, eNovance, etc)? Why? | 20:42 |
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PEPPERONIE | walterhe_: the more vanilla and standardized the better | 20:42 |
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PEPPERONIE | makes the knowledge more portable | 20:42 |
walterhe_ | PEPPERONIE what about missing out on the vendor specific stuff? | 20:43 |
larsks | walterhe_: If I were at an organization already using, e.g., Red Hat, I would go to Red Hat training because it would probably be more practical. | 20:43 |
PEPPERONIE | walterhe_: It's also a matter of proportions, right? | 20:43 |
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PEPPERONIE | How much sugar on top are the vendors adding? | 20:43 |
larsks | If I wasn't someplace already making use of a particular tech, I agree with PEPPERONIE . | 20:43 |
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PEPPERONIE | If it's 10% more learning then I'd want vanilla | 20:43 |
PEPPERONIE | if the vendors provide a full half of the value proposition then I'd pick a vendor | 20:43 |
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larsks | Vendors typically provide two things (a) deployment tools that take on much of the manual labor involved in an openstack employment, and (b) support subsequent to the deployment. How valuable either of those things are depends a lot on your local environment and the local expertise available. | 20:45 |
walterhe_ | the background is that I run a training company, and am trying to determine on which route to take | 20:45 |
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hesco | attempts to run `/usr/bin/keystone service-create` are returning: 'No handlers could be found for logger "keystoneclient.httpclient" Unable to authorize user' | 20:46 |
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walterhe_ | my company already has a training partnership with the Linux Foundation, who provide OpenStack courses: http://training.linuxfoundation.org/linux-courses/system-administration-training/openstack-cloud-architecture-and-deployment | 20:46 |
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hesco | can anyone please suggest what I am missing here? | 20:47 |
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larsks | hesco: How are you authenticating right now...what sort of credentials do you have in your environment? Do you see antyhing interesting in the keystone logs? | 20:47 |
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hesco | I have a bunch of OS_* pairs in the environment and SERVICE_(ENDPOINT|TOKEN) are both empty | 20:48 |
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larsks | hesco: Have you previuosly created any users (even an admin user) in keystone? | 20:49 |
hesco | larsks: logs say: WARNING keystone.common.wsgi [-] Could not find user, admin. | 20:49 |
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hesco | but db query shows that admin user is there | 20:49 |
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hesco | token-get works fine, but get-user fails | 20:51 |
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larsks | Do OS_TENANT_ID and OS_TENANT_NAME in your environment match the appropriate values for the admin user? | 20:52 |
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designated | With VLANS, you are limited to 4096 possible networks, with GRE you can have over 65k. Are there any obvious benefits to using one over the other? | 20:55 |
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PEPPERONIE | designated: So far it seems that VLANs are the much better supported option | 20:56 |
designated | is it because of the over of using GRE? | 20:56 |
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designated | overhead | 20:56 |
designated | the fact that the whole frame gets encapsulated? | 20:57 |
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PEPPERONIE | designated: No I just think VLANs are better tested with nova-network and neutron | 20:57 |
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designated | does neutron currently support q in q or are there plans to support it? | 20:58 |
zzelle | designated, no | 20:58 |
zzelle | VLANs are more efficient than GRE but come with more constraints | 20:59 |
zzelle | 4094 VLANs, switch dependent ... | 20:59 |
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designated | zzelle, but there are no plans to support 802.1q-in-q | 21:00 |
zzelle | designated, no supported at the moment and i don't think it will be supported | 21:01 |
designated | zzelle, thank you | 21:01 |
zzelle | q in q is not the solution to increase the number of VLANs | 21:01 |
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designated | zzelle, what is? | 21:03 |
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PEPPERONIE | zzelle: I'm also interested :) | 21:04 |
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hesco | I harvested a tenant_id from token-get output and added that to my environment without changing the result. | 21:04 |
zzelle | designated, u mean "what is the good solution ?" | 21:04 |
designated | zzelle, what solution would provide the best scalability? | 21:05 |
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PEPPERONIE | designated: how many VLANs do you deal with already? | 21:05 |
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zzelle | currently, there is no solution better than others | 21:06 |
zzelle | vlans provides efficiency, constrained by RFC (4094) and by inter-nodes network backbones | 21:07 |
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designated | PEPPERONIE, nowhere near the maximum, but that's not the point in planning for scalability :) | 21:08 |
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zzelle | tunnels (gre/vxlan/nsx) provides scalability, are edge network isolation solution (no dependency against the network backbone) | 21:08 |
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zzelle | but guest multicast/broadcast are not very well supported | 21:09 |
sputnik13 | there's planning and there's over designing | 21:10 |
zzelle | it's a trade off | 21:10 |
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PEPPERONIE | sputnik13: ++ | 21:11 |
xresonance | hesco: perhaps you need OS_TENANT_NAME populated in the env also | 21:11 |
sputnik13 | VLAN is one method by which you can provide tenant isolation, but VLANs are intended to provide broadcast isolation of networks | 21:11 |
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sputnik13 | it's like using a sledgehammer to staple a pile of papers | 21:14 |
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PEPPERONIE | sputnik13: you have to scale for really big piles of papers | 21:14 |
PEPPERONIE | because what if | 21:15 |
sputnik13 | how big is the pile | 21:15 |
sputnik13 | and why can't you do that with IP subnetting | 21:15 |
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PEPPERONIE | sputnik13: I'm joking, people tend to worry about "scalability" where it doesn't matter | 21:15 |
zzelle | sputnik13 is right, what are your requirements / constraints first | 21:15 |
zzelle | ? | 21:15 |
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sputnik13 | PEPPERONIE: oh, yeah I get it now ;) | 21:15 |
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designated | depending on the size of your organization/tenant isolation requirements it absolutely matters. Do you think rackspace uses VLANs for tenant isolation, if so how can they support more than 4094 customers. Do they break the design into multiple clusters that work within that limitation? | 21:19 |
sputnik13 | designated: are you asking just a theoretical question or are you seeking a solution to a problem? If the latter, providing the parameters of your problem would best help those trying to help you | 21:20 |
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designated | I won't apologize for asking what I see as a legitimate question, that certainly does not merit the smart ass comments. | 21:20 |
sputnik13 | designated: else, if the former then cases like what you just described are always "it depends" | 21:20 |
kbringard | it's not even the total number of tenants, it's total number of tenant networks, if you're using neutron in such a way which allows tenants to create more than one | 21:20 |
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PEPPERONIE | designated: You can probably ask rackspace, they're not terribly reluctant to share :) | 21:21 |
PEPPERONIE | they go to various FOSS conferences, its not hard to find them | 21:21 |
sputnik13 | designated: when dealing with large customers vendors will often have technical discussions to come to an agreement on the best way to deal with something | 21:21 |
sputnik13 | designated: in large enough instances they might provide special case answers, they might create MPLS tunnels, they might do any number of things for a large enough customer | 21:22 |
designated | my question was quite simply how do you overcome the limitation of only having a certain number of options for tenant isolation if you choose to use VLANS. | 21:22 |
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sputnik13 | if you choose to use VLANs, you're limited to 4096 VLANs | 21:22 |
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sputnik13 | well, actually 4095, 0 is "default" | 21:23 |
sputnik13 | :) | 21:23 |
sputnik13 | no wait, stupid me, 1 is usually default, I don't think 0 is valid | 21:23 |
kbringard | in reality it'll likely be less, since that VLAN is pushed to the physical infra, in which case it's likely you've got VLANs already in use by your infrastructure | 21:23 |
sputnik13 | true, and hopefully you didn't cheap out on your switches and they actually support 4096 VLANs | 21:24 |
kbringard | sorry, I just decided to join in uninvited | 21:24 |
sputnik13 | :) | 21:24 |
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kbringard | having built very large clouds in the past | 21:24 |
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kbringard | I can tell you, I've used both VLANs and GRE tunnels | 21:25 |
zzelle | designated, the question is not what rackspace uses but what do you need ... | 21:25 |
kbringard | ^^ | 21:25 |
kbringard | and that | 21:25 |
kbringard | is the answer | 21:25 |
kbringard | you look at what your needs are and you come up with a solution | 21:25 |
designated | it's 12 bits for vlan id, 2^12 = 4096 - 0 and 4095 (reserved) gives you 1-4094 useable | 21:26 |
PEPPERONIE | For the record, it sounds like VLANs don't give you what you want | 21:26 |
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designated | thank you for the answers. | 21:26 |
kbringard | FWIW, the way we scaled VLANs was similar to how RAX does it | 21:26 |
PEPPERONIE | go on? | 21:27 |
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kbringard | created cells and limited the number of tenants who went there | 21:27 |
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kbringard | if we had 3k VLANs available, we'd not put more than 1k tenants with a quota of 3 networks per tenant | 21:27 |
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designated | kbringard, that's what I thought. thank you | 21:27 |
PEPPERONIE | kbringard: How'd you divvy up the vlans? | 21:27 |
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kbringard | neutron does it automatically | 21:27 |
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PEPPERONIE | understood, | 21:28 |
kbringard | you give it a range of available VLANs and when a tenant creates a network | 21:28 |
kbringard | if you're useing OVS | 21:28 |
kbringard | a flow gets created to pop that VLAN onto the packet as it goes to the physical network | 21:28 |
kbringard | then when the tenant destroys the network, that VLAN goes back into the pool | 21:28 |
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kbringard | logically, it's the same thing which happens with GRE | 21:29 |
sputnik13 | designated: sounds like kbringard was still working within the confines of the 4094 usable VLANs, were you not probing about extending beyond that? | 21:29 |
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PEPPERONIE | sputnik13: I think designated wanted total isolation per tenant | 21:29 |
kbringard | VxLAN I think is the next iteration | 21:29 |
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kbringard | at least for me | 21:29 |
PEPPERONIE | I have like twelve tenants so I'm good :) | 21:29 |
kbringard | lol, yea | 21:30 |
zzelle | small experience sharing | 21:30 |
sputnik13 | kbringard: can I ask which network this was? | 21:30 |
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kbringard | what do you mean? | 21:30 |
kbringard | for whom? | 21:30 |
sputnik13 | yup | 21:30 |
zzelle | internal they decided to use tunnels for production and tunnels/vlans for development | 21:30 |
kbringard | I used to work for AT&T, but I currently work for Cisco | 21:31 |
sputnik13 | kbringard: just curious, totally understand if you'd rather not share | 21:31 |
sputnik13 | kbringard: i c | 21:31 |
designated | sputnik13, I was not looking at a way to use more than 4094 vlans on a single physical network segment. breaking the deployment up into cells and working within the confines of IEEE 802.1q VLAN tagging is the way to deal with using VLANs as opposed to going with GRE tunnels. | 21:31 |
sputnik13 | designated: oh, then I misunderstood what you were looking for, my apologies | 21:31 |
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kbringard | yea, after dealing with GRE tunnels I don't personally like it | 21:32 |
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kbringard | it's a bit more complicated to setup physical VLAN stuff, but if you can and have the netops team to support it, I think the benefits outweigh the negatives | 21:32 |
designated | using tunnels requires a mesh of GRE tunnels to be built between the compute nodes and the network controller whereas VLANS do not have that requirement correct? | 21:33 |
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kbringard | correct | 21:33 |
zzelle | kbringard, our production team also ... after 3 months they crashed everythin multiples times because they do know master gre ... | 21:33 |
sputnik13 | GRE has its uses, but isolation of logical networks on a single relatively local physical network doesn't seem one of those uses | 21:33 |
zzelle | s/do/do not/ | 21:33 |
kbringard | yea, with GRE you're creating an entirely autonomous overlay L2 | 21:33 |
kbringard | which, in some cases may be the right answer | 21:33 |
kbringard | but in my cases it rarely was :-D | 21:33 |
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sputnik13 | I think those some cases nowadays are when you need to traverse WANs | 21:34 |
sputnik13 | even then only for small use cases | 21:34 |
kbringard | well yea, but I'm not personally designing my clouds to provide transparent WAN navigation | 21:34 |
kbringard | that's what VPNaaS and disparate zones are for :-D | 21:34 |
sputnik13 | although, I know wimax used gre tunnels for all subscriber terminal traffic back to the gateway | 21:35 |
sputnik13 | but that's a totally different use case :) | 21:35 |
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kbringard | yea, I think you'll find that trying to explain to customers why latency between 2 VMs in the "same zone" varies wildly is less preferable to just creating 2 zones and not L2ing them over the WAN | 21:36 |
sputnik13 | yup | 21:36 |
kbringard | plus, that gives you anothe 4096 VLANs to use ;-) | 21:36 |
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PEPPERONIE | I've learned more about neutron networking form kbringard in 15 minutes than a week of blindly poking around in the docs and my testbed | 21:37 |
PEPPERONIE | thank you sir | 21:37 |
kbringard | you're welcome | 21:37 |
kbringard | I should be around more often | 21:37 |
kbringard | started a new job and it took me awhile to figure out how to get on IRC again | 21:37 |
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hesco | OK, have tried to respond to all the questions asked and anticipate any questions left: https://gist.github.com/hesco/45c2d67b76f3d05a0811 This relates to my questions about getting keystone configured and working. | 21:39 |
kbringard | shouldn't your auth URL be the non admin port? | 21:40 |
kbringard | S_AUTH_URL=http://localhost:35357/v2.0 | 21:41 |
kbringard | that one | 21:41 |
kbringard | not sure it matters, but that's how all my rc files are setup | 21:41 |
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kbringard | also, if you add -v —debug you should get a lot more useful output | 21:42 |
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larsks | kbringard: AUTH_URL can point to either 35357 or 5000 and will generally work. | 21:42 |
kbringard | ah, cool | 21:43 |
larsks | (some operations -- e.g., "password-update" -- will fail against the admin port) | 21:43 |
kbringard | and sorry, -v is a neutron/cinder client thing | 21:43 |
kbringard | so just --debug | 21:43 |
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kbringard | larsks keeps shaming me today | 21:45 |
kbringard | well played | 21:45 |
larsks | Pffft. | 21:45 |
larsks | hesco: If you set OS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT and OS_SERVICE_TOKEN and run "keystone user-get admin", can you post that output of that? | 21:46 |
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larsks | OS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT can be set to OS_AUTH_URL< and OS_SERVICE_TOKEN is admin_token from keystone.conf | 21:46 |
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kbringard | wondering if it's an ordering issue… setting the tenant name to admin, but then trying to create the admin tenant as the admin user in the admin tenant | 21:51 |
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kbringard | but the admin user won't have the admin role in the admin tenant if the admin tenant doesn't exist | 21:51 |
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hesco | larsks: responding to your request -- https://gist.github.com/hesco/45c2d67b76f3d05a0811 | 22:07 |
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kbringard | pretty sure your issue is that the admin user doesn't have the admin right in the admin tenant, and when you're running the tenant create commands and whatnot the service_token is blank, so it can't "bypass authentication" | 22:09 |
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kbringard | hesco: ^^ | 22:10 |
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larsks | hesco: what kbringard said...that's what I was noticing from your puppet exec commands; the admin user doesn't get added to the admin tenant. | 22:11 |
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larsks | hesco: possibly running "keystone user-role-add --user admin --role admin --tenant admin" with OS_SERVICE_TOKEN and OS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT set will take care of that. | 22:12 |
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kbringard | /usr/bin/keystone user-role-add --user=admin --tenant=admin --role=admin | 22:12 |
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kbringard | I see that in the puppet stuff | 22:12 |
larsks | Didn't seem to take, I guess. | 22:12 |
kbringard | yea | 22:12 |
larsks | Weird. | 22:13 |
kbringard | indeed | 22:13 |
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PEPPERONIE | the puppet modules are the least-predictable puppet thing I've ever used | 22:13 |
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kbringard | in the DB output it has the "default tenant" as blank | 22:13 |
kbringard | err, default_project_id | 22:13 |
larsks | hesco: I expect the output of user-get to look something like: https://gist.github.com/larsks/9010504 | 22:13 |
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kbringard | and yea, no tenantId in the user-get output | 22:14 |
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kbringard | anyway, I'll stop repeating lars now :-) | 22:14 |
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newb123 | hi i'm getting a "Cached Token eb73c3f58a018112983164dd4dbc7922 is marked unauthorized" error from keystone. How do i prevent this from happening during installation of devstack? | 22:30 |
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hesco | larsks and kbringard: thanks, to respond to your questions. https://gist.github.com/hesco/45c2d67b76f3d05a0811 | 22:32 |
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cihhan | Hi all! I have a very weird behavior in my OpenStack; I wonder if anybody had similar issues: Somehow at a point, when I try to ssh to my instances, it goes back to the host machine -- I ssh to VM and I see that I am back on the controller... Reboot solves the issue, but how is this happening and why? Any ideas or suggestions? | 22:49 |
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kbringard | hesco: hmmm, that certainly seems odd… but, fwiw, I imagine you'd be able to create your tenants and services and such if you specify OS_SERVICE_TOKEN before running all the keystone creation commands | 22:51 |
cihhan | kbrierly, yeah. The problem is this is happening very rarely | 22:51 |
kbringard | you may need to dig further into the roles and relations and stuff in the DB to see why it thinks the roles already exists but then fails | 22:51 |
cihhan | Happens very rarely and that problem stays there until a reboot | 22:52 |
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kbringard | cihhan: "the controller" meaning the network controller, where the L3 stuff terminates and should NAT back to the VM? | 22:53 |
enarciso | Hello. I've been looking into the ldap backend for users and sql for the rest and I've got to the point that I can list all my users however they are not enabled by default | 22:53 |
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cihhan | controller meaning that where keystone and glance are installed which also has nova-network | 22:54 |
kbringard | ah, are you running nova-network, or neutron? | 22:54 |
cihhan | nova-network | 22:54 |
enarciso | when I try to run `keystone user-update --enabled true $username; I get an error "No user with a name or ID of $Username" | 22:54 |
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kbringard | ah so… it's long enough since I've run nova-network I don't know if I'll be much help, but I'd look at the IPtables rules in the NAT table | 22:54 |
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kbringard | becaue, the IP you're connecting to comes up on the network controller, and then it's supposed to nat back to the VM's private IP | 22:55 |
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kbringard | if the NAT rules goes away, or is otherwise usurped, then it'll just connect to port 22 on the nova-network host | 22:55 |
kbringard | which brings up another thought, you may want to consider binding sshd to only the "management" IP(s) on that host | 22:56 |
cihhan | the problem is lets say my VM is using A.B.C.D and it s perfectly fine. After a while, let s say that I delete that VM and create another VM. That VM has that issue. So it is not a specific IP. | 22:56 |
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cihhan | I feel like there is a bug/glitch | 22:56 |
kbringard | nova-network, I believe, is more or less unmaintained at this point | 22:56 |
kbringard | I don't know that support has officially been dropped, but I don't think many people use/focus on it :-/ | 22:56 |
kbringard | so what I'm saying is: it's entirely possible :-D | 22:57 |
cihhan | hehe :_ | 22:57 |
cihhan | :) | 22:57 |
kbringard | net time it happens, I'd probably start by running iptables -L -vn -t nat | grep <ip not working> | 22:57 |
kbringard | and see what chains are there | 22:57 |
cihhan | let me check now | 22:57 |
cihhan | good idea | 22:57 |
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kbringard | you can also ping that IP and see if the packet count on the chain goes up | 22:58 |
kbringard | or, I guess, the rule in the chain, to be precise | 22:58 |
kbringard | that would give you a hint as to wether that chain and rule are being reached | 22:58 |
kbringard | or if they even exist | 22:58 |
cihhan | but the question is why did it come out of nowhere? | 22:59 |
cihhan | and how and from where? | 22:59 |
ekarlso | |x|/win 29 | 22:59 |
newb123 | has anyone had issues where keystone marks authentication tokens as unauthorized during a short install? | 22:59 |
kbringard | chains get rebuilt on the network controller a lot, so it's possible there's a bug or bad data or something | 22:59 |
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kbringard | causing it to fail on that rule/chain/whatever | 23:00 |
kbringard | just guessing | 23:00 |
kbringard | anyway, sorry, but I need to jam | 23:00 |
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kbringard | not only is it V-day, but my wife's birthday | 23:00 |
kbringard | so if I'm home late, it's death | 23:00 |
cihhan | yeah, most prob there is a bug messing with the routing tables | 23:00 |
cihhan | hehehe | 23:00 |
kbringard | but, the symptom you're describing is that the floating IP is up on the NC | 23:00 |
cihhan | get some good roses then :) Thank you very much though for your suggestions :) | 23:00 |
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kbringard | but it no longer knows that it's supposed to send it back somewhwre | 23:01 |
kbringard | so it terminates on the NC locally | 23:01 |
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kbringard | good luck, I'd be curious to hear on Monday how it goes | 23:01 |
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hesco | I'd like to strip out keystone and start over from scratch. Were I to apt-get remove --purge keystone && mysql -e"DROP DATABASE keystone" && mysql -e"REVOKE all privieleges ON *.* FROM keystone@'%';" or something along those lines, would that be sufficient to create a clean environment from which to rebuild from scrtach? Or are there other aspects of the keystone I need to clean out? | 23:34 |
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PEPPERONIE | hesco: that should do it | 23:40 |
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hesco | Thanks PEPPERONIE, working on that script now | 23:43 |
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cjellick | hesco are all your other services empty? they all point back to project ids that are in keystone | 23:48 |
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