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miliHi, Dose anyone know if it is possible to assign floating ip directly to VM with in Per-tenant routers with private networks01:40
milihttps://ask.openstack.org/en/question/11904/associate-public-ip-to-vms-interface/01:40
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horia_Hello, can someone please point me to a brief tutorial on creating a two node openstack cluster (one controller + networking node, one compute node) where instantiated VMs are automatically assigned floating IPs and they are able to communicate with the outside world?04:22
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Nexus6.04:54
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Amresh_@all I am successfully running RDO on a single server and looking into the option to set a cluster with RDO having two controller nodes and four compute nodes. Searched over Internet and went through few docs too but not getting a clear idea on how to proceed.09:37
Amresh_Any help will be appreciated09:37
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StylesHey guys09:43
Amresh_Hi09:43
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sldIs anyone here that is not afk... familiar with this message that is seen in 'nova show' output for a failed-to-build instance:  Version 1.9 of Instance is not supported09:45
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rascasoftHi everybody, hope you can help me. I can't find out how to inject my keys in the newly created instances. The error on the compute node is "Ignoring error injecting data into image (Error mounting /var/lib/nova/instances/.../disk with libguestfs (external command failed, see earlier error messages) But I don't have any earlier message.10:58
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openstack925hi11:43
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nacermmm glance cli with the option --location don't seem to wotk with rbd storage11:48
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nacerthere is a scheduler with glance service ?12:18
naceri scheduler that download the file from --location ?12:18
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openstack925any one help me to solve this error:12:21
openstack925[root@object ~]# swift stat Account HEAD failed: http://10.230.1.5:8080/v1/AUTH_c570931432fc431aa7b63b09f56098f3 503 Internal Server Error12:21
openstack925[root@object ~]# swift stat12:21
openstack925Account HEAD failed: http://10.230.1.5:8080/v1/AUTH_c570931432fc431aa7b63b09f56098f3 503 Internal Server Error12:21
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openstack925hi anyone12:31
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anandhi all, one quick question. If I have 2 compute nodes and instance storage of both nodes ie, /var/lib/nova/instance been mounted to separate storage by nfs. If one node goes down is it possible to access the instance from the other node?12:55
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anandI tried that method and when I shutdown my node1, at first the instance is getting shutoff . why can't it run from 2nd compute node.?12:56
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xp1990Any one around to help with a keystone issue?14:20
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sldi can try and take a stab... whatcha got?14:20
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xp1990Trying to deploy openstack to 5 nodes.14:20
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xp1990Controller refuses to start the keystone service.14:21
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sldanything in the logs of note?14:21
sldor errors output to console?14:21
xp1990I've checked the same configuration scripts on the other nodes and they can all deploy it fine.14:21
xp1990I do. One second :)14:21
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xp1990CRITICAL keystone [-] Class Identity cannot be found (['Traceback (most recent call last):\n', '  File "/opt/stack/keystone/keystone/openstack/common/importutils.py", line 30, in import_class\n    __import__(mod_str)\n', '  File "/opt/stack/keystone/keystone/identity/backends/sql.py", line 18, in <module>\n    from keystone.common import sql\n', '  File "/opt/stack/keystone/keystone/common/sql/__init__.py", line 18, in <module>\n    from ke14:25
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sldsounds like an incomplete install, if it can't find the class... or the path doesn't have it in it.14:26
xp1990hmmmm14:26
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xp1990install script works on other nodes. But the one I want to use as controller just won't get past starting keystone....14:27
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sldcompare package installation status of that node with the others, and also compare versions, since some things change between versions sometimes.14:28
xp1990good idea :)14:28
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FetchI've started seeing ovsdb-server lock up (not responding to connections from ovs-vswitchd) on a couple of high-use compute hosts, on Grizzly+Quantum (CentOS, recent packages from RDO repo). Anyone else see such nastiness?14:44
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rascasoftHi everybody, let's try again and hope you can help me. I can't find out how to inject my keys in the newly created instances. The error on the compute node is "Ignoring error injecting data into image (Error mounting /var/lib/nova/instances/.../disk with libguestfs (external command failed, see earlier error messages) But I don't have any earlier message.15:30
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kbringardrascasoft: do you have cloud-init on the image you're booting?15:30
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kbringardI've never had much luck getting keys injected straight into the image15:30
kbringardI've always relied on cloud-init getting them from meta-data15:30
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kbringardand that, either via the API or config_drive (later versions of cloud-init should support either, but I prefer config_drive when possible because it's less error prone)15:31
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rascasoftkbringard: no, I don't know what it is15:31
kbringardit's included in the stock Ubuntu images15:31
rascasoftbut wait15:32
kbringardbasically, it's a suite of scripts which query the meta-data for the instance and do stuff based on it15:32
kbringardone of which is inject the ssh_key you specified to go onto the image15:32
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rascasoftok, is there an howto about it? I've followed the official one, and everything went fine until the key issues15:33
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kbringardhmmm, I'd have to look… I thought using meta-data was fairly standard these days15:33
kbringardhey jroovers :-)15:33
rascasoftsearching around pointed me on some kind of bug, so maybe following another way should be good15:33
jroovershey kbringard :-)15:34
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rascasoftkbringard: but WHEN does cloud-init comes up?15:34
rascasoftat this moment I'm creating instances in the classical way, by nove boot15:34
kbringardwell, it needs to be baked into the image you're launching15:35
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kbringardone sec15:35
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rascasoftdoes cloud-init involve another kind of approach15:36
rascasoft?15:36
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kbringardhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/65465/15:37
kbringardso what happens is… there's a meta-data API which runs on the infrastructure side15:38
kbringardwhen the instance boots, after the VM gets an IP, you can make API calls to 169.254.269.254 and get information about the VM15:38
kbringardstuff like, what IP it was assigned, what disks were allocated to it, and the ssh keys assigned to it15:38
larskskbringard: http://169.254.169.254/ (<-- bad ip in your last message)15:39
rascasoftok15:39
kbringardthank you15:39
kbringardlarsks ^^15:39
kbringardcloud-init, if installed in the VM15:39
kbringardwill run when the VM boots, make these API calls and put the information where it needs to go15:40
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rascasoftok, that's clear15:40
kbringardhttp://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content//section_metadata-service.html15:40
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rascasoftin any case it makes me mad to understand what my message log means15:41
rascasoftsince there are no details15:41
larskskbringard: google results for docs.openstack.org include an extra "/".  If you chabnge that "//" to "/" you get a nicer page: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/section_metadata-service.html15:41
kbringardhere's a really good article on how it works with Neutron (the article was written when it was still quantum): http://techbackground.blogspot.com/2013/06/metadata-via-quantum-router.html15:41
kbringardyea, that I don't know15:41
kbringardlarsks: again, thanks :-)15:41
kbringardI was wondering wtf was up with that15:41
rascasoftnote that if i try to run guestfish --ro -a /var/lib/nova/instances/8bfb118a-ac1c-4634-9ec6-a6388693b4ba/disk -i15:42
rascasoftjust to know if everything is ok "manually"15:42
kbringardrascasoft: as for your error, I don't know… I've not dealt with trying to inject data directly into images with OpenStack since bexar15:42
rascasoftI get "febootstrap-supermin-helper: ext2: parent directory not found: /lib: File not found by ext2_lookup"15:42
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kbringardsounds like some kind of dependency issue15:43
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kbringardhttps://www.redhat.com/archives/libguestfs/2012-May/msg00157.html ?15:44
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rascasoftYes, I already saw that, I don't have that specific file15:45
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rascasoftbut following that thread it suggests to run update-guestfs-appliance15:45
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rascasoftand my run ends with a segfault15:45
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kbringardbrb15:46
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rascasoftthe specific error is this one: http://paste.openstack.org/show/65470/15:46
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kbringardsegfault, eww15:47
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rascasoftso, after the "wanted packages to download" it gets segfault15:47
rascasoftI'm using the last 12.04 ubuntu15:47
kbringardnot really sure what to tell you, except that that problem seems to be larger than OpenStack :-/15:47
ik__can I configure openstack/cinder on centos 5.8?15:48
rascasoftlarger than OpenStack? you mean something related to the system?15:48
rascasoftThis is a fresh install15:49
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ikhan#openstack-dev15:49
kbringardyea, something else going on… if you can't run a guestfs command manually on the system then I'd wager the issue is there somewhere15:50
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rascasoftok I will try the other channel15:50
rascasoftthank you guys15:50
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kbringardhas anyone tried using Designate in Havana?15:51
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ikhanrascasoft: it was typo..15:54
rascasoftikhan: what?15:54
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rascasoftyou don't suggest to ask there=15:54
rascasoft?15:54
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kbringardI think he was trying to join the channel15:55
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kbringardnot telling you to ask there :-)15:55
rascasoftlol, but maybe someone there could help me15:56
ikhanThanks kbringard :)15:56
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ikhanrascasoft: what's your problem ?15:56
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rascasoftthis one: http://paste.openstack.org/show/65470/15:56
ikhanrascasoft: sorry I missed your problem. joined later..15:56
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rascasoftnp15:57
rascasoftI get that segfault15:57
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rascasoftI ended with that command since I cannot inject my keys on the instance, the error is related to libguestfs15:58
rascasoftif I lunch this command: guestfish --ro -a /var/lib/nova/instances/8bfb118a-ac1c-4634-9ec6-a6388693b4ba/disk -i I get febootstrap-supermin-helper: ext2: parent directory not found: /lib: File not found by ext2_lookup15:59
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rascasoftikhan: do you have any tip?16:00
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ikhanrascasoft: nope, was googling about the issue.. did tmp file gave any logs?16:01
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rascasoftNo logs in the tmp16:02
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ikhanrascasoft: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libguestfs/+bug/126398916:05
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rascasoftwhoa, following your link, I endend up in this link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libguestfs/+bug/1186228 and it seems that adding paths to /usr/lib/guestfs/supermin.d/00-missing-dir something changes16:11
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rascasoftbut it does not solve the problem16:12
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matzieI'm planning a deployment with 10 compute nodes, 6 of which I want to have a 1:1 commit ratio and the others probably 1:4.  I'm aware (in theory at least) of using AZs or host aggregates to achieve that, but  I'd also like the ability to manage instance scheduling manually (or at least outside of the scheduler itself), saying "launch this instance on host 3".  Is there a way I could have my cake and eat it too? I16:21
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matziecan I maybe have two AZ's and 10 host aggregates? or am I misunderstanding something :-)16:22
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askkhi16:30
askkhow can I force heat to execute a command (like poweroff) before terminating an instance during the downscale process? So..I need to terminate instance gracefully during a downscale :)16:30
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matzieany ideas?16:37
hescorunning /usr/bin/keystone --debug user-list gives me: Failed to retrieve management_url from token16:37
hescoany idea where I need to set the management_url to avoid this error?16:37
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perfectsineDoes anyone have Docker working within OpenStack right now?16:42
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matzie@perfectsine: http://www.slideshare.net/dotCloud/docker-open-stack gives instructions for getting docker to work with devstack, might help16:46
perfectsineI'm needing non-devstack references =/  I tried devstack earlier and it also seemed broken16:48
matzietell me about it...16:48
matziethose instructions didn't actually work for me, but I assumed I'd done something wrong16:48
perfectsinewhat did you run into?16:48
perfectsineI got it all installed16:48
matzieit was a while ago, sorry can't remember16:48
perfectsinebut it wouldn't launch a new container from nova16:49
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perfectsinematzie: I believe you'll need an availibility zone per node, seems a bit overkill16:51
perfectsinebut it should work16:51
perfectsineyou'll have to set the availability zone filter16:51
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perfectsinethen you can set the CPU allocation ratio16:51
perfectsineper zone16:51
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matziethanks will look into that16:51
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perfectsinehesco: what is the output of keystone endpoint-list ?16:53
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gstaicuhello!16:59
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gstaicuplease, can someone help me to debug a problem related to spawning multiple instances from a volume snapshot?16:59
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gstaicuis there someone who succeded to spawn more than 10 instances once from a volume snap without err?17:04
gstaicuon havana?17:04
gstaicuhaving ceph as a backend for cinder?17:04
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BirkWhere can I set the default quotas for Horizon?17:15
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larsksBirk: You can manage quotas using the "Projects" tab on the "Admin" panel. To the right of each project is a menu that includes "modify quotas".  Is that what you're looking for?17:20
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larsksBirk: You can manage *default* quotas (the quotas applied to new tenants/projects) from the command line; see http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide-admin/content/cli_set_quotas.html17:21
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gstaicuanybody with experience in launching tens of instances once from volume snap on havana?17:22
Birklarsks: I mean the ones that are listed on Default page on Admin tab. How can I add or remove quotas from there?17:23
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larsksBirk: In my dashboard, there is an "Update Defaults" button on that page.17:23
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larsks...which allows me to edit the defaults.17:23
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Birklarsks: Yes, mine too. But I mean, how can I remove the "Security Group Rules" quota from this list, for example. Or add it again.17:25
hescowhat is a management_url and where is one configured?  grep'ing the config files I have in place so far does not help me answer that question.17:26
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larsksBirk: I don't think you can remove/add quotas; I think you just modify them.17:26
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larsksI believe the list of "things for which there are quotas" is fixed.17:27
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larskshesco: Where do you find a reference to "management_url"?17:27
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hescolarsks: output of /usr/bin/keystone --debug user-list17:29
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larsksWhat does it say, exactly?17:29
hescolarsks: https://gist.github.com/hesco/9f22775e42bea8f6468417:31
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hescolarsks: and thank you for taking a look at this as well.17:31
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Birklarsks: ok, thanks for your time!17:32
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hescoperhaps I am focused on the wrong piece of this, but some how I need to get my keystone user-list verification working so that I can move forward to the next step.17:35
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larskshesco: Do you have any endpoints configured in keystone?17:35
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larskshesco: compare these results: https://gist.github.com/larsks/900537117:37
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larsksThe first is the response from your keystone, which has an empty serviceCatalog; the second is the response from my keystone.17:37
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xresonancei once had empty service catalog when calling api and forgetting to include tenant id…17:44
larsksxresonance: Good point.  I think I have seen that, too.17:44
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larsks...and I see that tenantId is missing from hesco's auth request.17:45
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larsksAlthough it has tenantName, which ought to suffice.17:45
hescook, thanks larsks: that was very helpful.  looks like my next step is to register an endpoint for keystone in the service catalogue.17:46
larsksIf you haven't done that yes...then yes, you'll need to create all the standard service entries.17:46
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hescothanks, researching that point next.17:46
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xhaenova is creating chains and rules in iptables that are just plain wrong, they don't correspond to any existing instance. what can I do?!18:05
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PEPPERONIExhae: ruh oh18:07
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xhaeThe problem is this, there are multiple chains per IP that don't correspond to instances on this host: http://pastie.org/873402818:08
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atpa8aam i understanding it correctly that if i want to use multiple volume groups with cinder, i need to configure multi back-end?..18:23
atpa8aright... looks like it18:24
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gmixhae:run "virsh list --all" to see if there are stopped instances18:27
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kbringardhas anyone used designate for Havana?18:33
kbringardthoughts? is it ready for prime time?18:33
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gmikbringard: try in #openstack-dns18:38
kbringardthanks, gmi18:38
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MrCurioushttp://opensource.com/business/14/2/openstack-parallels-linux18:56
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ikhanatpa8a: you can create as many volume groups out of one backend19:12
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hescoThis link: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt-debian/content/keystone-install.html shows how to use dpkg-reconfigure to register keypoints in the identity service.  Can anyone please suggest how I script what's going on under the hood, for use in a puppet manifest?  what does dpkg-reconfigure invoke to get its job done?  Or how is it I could dissect a debian package to figure that out for myself?19:14
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larskshesco: This document discusses registering endpoints with the "keystone" command: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/yum/content/keystone-services.html19:17
larsksIs that what you're looking for?19:17
larsksThere's a section in that guide for each service that includes the appropriate commands.19:18
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hescothanks larsks: will check that out.20:09
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walterhe_question: if you were to go to an OpenStack training, would you prefer a vanilla openstack training, or one from a specific vendor (Mirantis, Red Hat, eNovance, etc)? Why?20:42
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PEPPERONIEwalterhe_: the more vanilla and standardized the better20:42
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PEPPERONIEmakes the knowledge more portable20:42
walterhe_PEPPERONIE what about missing out on the vendor specific stuff?20:43
larskswalterhe_: If I were at an organization already using, e.g., Red Hat, I would go to Red Hat training because it would probably be more practical.20:43
PEPPERONIEwalterhe_: It's also a matter of proportions, right?20:43
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PEPPERONIEHow much sugar on top are the vendors adding?20:43
larsksIf I wasn't someplace already making use of a particular tech, I agree with PEPPERONIE .20:43
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PEPPERONIEIf it's 10% more learning then I'd want vanilla20:43
PEPPERONIEif the vendors provide a full half of the value proposition then I'd pick a vendor20:43
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larsksVendors typically provide two things (a) deployment tools that take on much of the manual labor involved in an openstack employment, and (b) support subsequent to the deployment.  How valuable either of those things are depends a lot on your local environment and the local expertise available.20:45
walterhe_the background is that I run a training company, and am trying to determine on which route to take20:45
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hescoattempts to run `/usr/bin/keystone service-create` are returning: 'No handlers could be found for logger "keystoneclient.httpclient" Unable to authorize user'20:46
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walterhe_my company already has a training partnership with the Linux Foundation, who provide OpenStack courses: http://training.linuxfoundation.org/linux-courses/system-administration-training/openstack-cloud-architecture-and-deployment20:46
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hescocan anyone please suggest what I am missing here?20:47
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larskshesco: How are you authenticating right now...what sort of credentials do you have in your environment? Do you see antyhing interesting in the keystone logs?20:47
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hescoI have a bunch of OS_* pairs in the environment and SERVICE_(ENDPOINT|TOKEN) are both empty20:48
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larskshesco: Have you previuosly created any users (even an admin user) in keystone?20:49
hescolarsks: logs say: WARNING keystone.common.wsgi [-] Could not find user, admin.20:49
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hescobut db query shows that admin user is there20:49
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hescotoken-get works fine, but get-user fails20:51
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larsksDo OS_TENANT_ID and OS_TENANT_NAME in your environment match the appropriate values for the admin user?20:52
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designatedWith VLANS, you are limited to 4096 possible networks, with GRE you can have over 65k.  Are there any obvious benefits to using one over the other?20:55
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PEPPERONIEdesignated: So far it seems that VLANs are the much better supported option20:56
designatedis it because of the over of using GRE?20:56
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designatedoverhead20:56
designatedthe fact that the whole frame gets encapsulated?20:57
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PEPPERONIEdesignated: No I just think VLANs are better tested with nova-network and neutron20:57
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designateddoes neutron currently support q in q or are there plans to support it?20:58
zzelledesignated, no20:58
zzelleVLANs are more efficient than GRE but come with more constraints20:59
zzelle4094 VLANs, switch dependent ...20:59
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designatedzzelle, but there are no plans to support 802.1q-in-q21:00
zzelledesignated, no supported at the moment and i don't think it will be supported21:01
designatedzzelle, thank you21:01
zzelleq in q is not the solution to increase the number of VLANs21:01
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designatedzzelle, what is?21:03
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PEPPERONIEzzelle: I'm also interested :)21:04
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hescoI harvested a tenant_id from token-get output and added that to my environment without changing the result.21:04
zzelledesignated, u mean "what is the good solution ?"21:04
designatedzzelle, what solution would provide the best scalability?21:05
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PEPPERONIEdesignated: how many VLANs do you deal with already?21:05
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zzellecurrently, there is no solution better than others21:06
zzellevlans provides efficiency, constrained by RFC (4094) and by inter-nodes network backbones21:07
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designatedPEPPERONIE, nowhere near the maximum, but that's not the point in planning for scalability :)21:08
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zzelletunnels (gre/vxlan/nsx) provides scalability,  are edge network isolation solution (no dependency against the network backbone)21:08
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zzellebut guest multicast/broadcast are not very well supported21:09
sputnik13there's planning and there's over designing21:10
zzelleit's a trade off21:10
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PEPPERONIEsputnik13: ++21:11
xresonancehesco: perhaps you need OS_TENANT_NAME populated in the env also21:11
sputnik13VLAN is one method by which you can provide tenant isolation, but VLANs are intended to provide broadcast isolation of networks21:11
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sputnik13it's like using a sledgehammer to staple a pile of papers21:14
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PEPPERONIEsputnik13: you have to scale for really big piles of papers21:14
PEPPERONIEbecause what if21:15
sputnik13how big is the pile21:15
sputnik13and why can't you do that with IP subnetting21:15
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PEPPERONIEsputnik13: I'm joking, people tend to worry about "scalability" where it doesn't matter21:15
zzellesputnik13 is right, what are your requirements / constraints first21:15
zzelle?21:15
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sputnik13PEPPERONIE: oh, yeah I get it now ;)21:15
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designateddepending on the size of your organization/tenant isolation requirements it absolutely matters.  Do you think rackspace uses VLANs for tenant isolation, if so how can they support more than 4094 customers.  Do they break the design into multiple clusters that work within that limitation?21:19
sputnik13designated: are you asking just a theoretical question or are you seeking a solution to a problem?  If the latter, providing the parameters of your problem would best help those trying to help you21:20
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designatedI won't apologize for asking what I see as a legitimate question, that certainly does not merit the smart ass comments.21:20
sputnik13designated: else, if the former then cases like what you just described are always "it depends"21:20
kbringardit's not even the total number of tenants, it's total number of tenant networks, if you're using neutron in such a way which allows tenants to create more than one21:20
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PEPPERONIEdesignated: You can probably ask rackspace, they're not terribly reluctant to share :)21:21
PEPPERONIEthey go to various FOSS conferences, its not hard to find them21:21
sputnik13designated: when dealing with large customers vendors will often have technical discussions to come to an agreement on the best way to deal with something21:21
sputnik13designated: in large enough instances they might provide special case answers, they might create MPLS tunnels, they might do any number of things for a large enough customer21:22
designatedmy question was quite simply how do you overcome the limitation of only having a certain number of options for tenant isolation if you choose to use VLANS.21:22
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sputnik13if you choose to use VLANs, you're limited to 4096 VLANs21:22
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sputnik13well, actually 4095, 0 is "default"21:23
sputnik13:)21:23
sputnik13no wait, stupid me, 1 is usually default, I don't think 0 is valid21:23
kbringardin reality it'll likely be less, since that VLAN is pushed to the physical infra, in which case it's likely you've got VLANs already in use by your infrastructure21:23
sputnik13true, and hopefully you didn't cheap out on your switches and they actually support 4096 VLANs21:24
kbringardsorry, I just decided to join in uninvited21:24
sputnik13:)21:24
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kbringardhaving built very large clouds in the past21:24
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kbringardI can tell you, I've used both VLANs and GRE tunnels21:25
zzelledesignated, the question is not what rackspace uses but what do you need ...21:25
kbringard^^21:25
kbringardand that21:25
kbringardis the answer21:25
kbringardyou look at what your needs are and you come up with a solution21:25
designatedit's 12 bits for vlan id, 2^12 = 4096 - 0 and 4095 (reserved) gives you 1-4094 useable21:26
PEPPERONIEFor the record, it sounds like VLANs don't give you what you want21:26
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designatedthank you for the answers.21:26
kbringardFWIW, the way we scaled VLANs was similar to how RAX does it21:26
PEPPERONIEgo on?21:27
* sputnik13 is all ears21:27
kbringardcreated cells and limited the number of tenants who went there21:27
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kbringardif we had 3k VLANs available, we'd not put more than 1k tenants with a quota of 3 networks per tenant21:27
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designatedkbringard, that's what I thought.  thank you21:27
PEPPERONIEkbringard: How'd you divvy up the vlans?21:27
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kbringardneutron does it automatically21:27
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PEPPERONIEunderstood,21:28
kbringardyou give it a range of available VLANs and when a tenant creates a network21:28
kbringardif you're useing OVS21:28
kbringarda flow gets created to pop that VLAN onto the packet as it goes to the physical network21:28
kbringardthen when the tenant destroys the network, that VLAN goes back into the pool21:28
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kbringardlogically, it's the same thing which happens with GRE21:29
sputnik13designated: sounds like kbringard was still working within the confines of the 4094 usable VLANs, were you not probing about extending beyond that?21:29
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PEPPERONIEsputnik13: I think designated wanted total isolation per tenant21:29
kbringardVxLAN I think is the next iteration21:29
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kbringardat least for me21:29
PEPPERONIEI have like twelve tenants so I'm good :)21:29
kbringardlol, yea21:30
zzellesmall experience sharing21:30
sputnik13kbringard: can I ask which network this was?21:30
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kbringardwhat do you mean?21:30
kbringardfor whom?21:30
sputnik13yup21:30
zzelleinternal they decided to use tunnels for production and tunnels/vlans for development21:30
kbringardI used to work for AT&T, but I currently work for Cisco21:31
sputnik13kbringard: just curious, totally understand if you'd rather not share21:31
sputnik13kbringard: i c21:31
designatedsputnik13, I was not looking at a way to use more than 4094 vlans on a single physical network segment.  breaking the deployment up into cells and working within the confines of IEEE 802.1q VLAN tagging is the way to deal with using VLANs as opposed to going with GRE tunnels.21:31
sputnik13designated: oh, then I misunderstood what you were looking for, my apologies21:31
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kbringardyea, after dealing with GRE tunnels I don't personally like it21:32
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kbringardit's a bit more complicated to setup physical VLAN stuff, but if you can and have the netops team to support it, I think the benefits outweigh the negatives21:32
designatedusing tunnels requires a mesh of GRE tunnels to be built between the compute nodes and the network controller whereas VLANS do not have that requirement correct?21:33
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kbringardcorrect21:33
zzellekbringard, our production team also ... after 3 months they crashed everythin multiples times because they do know master gre ...21:33
sputnik13GRE has its uses, but isolation of logical networks on a single relatively local physical network doesn't seem one of those uses21:33
zzelles/do/do not/21:33
kbringardyea, with GRE you're creating an entirely autonomous overlay L221:33
kbringardwhich, in some cases may be the right answer21:33
kbringardbut in my cases it rarely was :-D21:33
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sputnik13I think those some cases nowadays are when you need to traverse WANs21:34
sputnik13even then only for small use cases21:34
kbringardwell yea, but I'm not personally designing my clouds to provide transparent WAN navigation21:34
kbringardthat's what VPNaaS and disparate zones are for :-D21:34
sputnik13although, I know wimax used gre tunnels for all subscriber terminal traffic back to the gateway21:35
sputnik13but that's a totally different use case :)21:35
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kbringardyea, I think you'll find that trying to explain to customers why latency between 2 VMs in the "same zone" varies wildly is less preferable to just creating 2 zones and not L2ing them over the WAN21:36
sputnik13yup21:36
kbringardplus, that gives you anothe 4096 VLANs to use ;-)21:36
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PEPPERONIEI've learned more about neutron networking form kbringard in 15 minutes than a week of blindly poking around in the docs and my testbed21:37
PEPPERONIEthank you sir21:37
kbringardyou're welcome21:37
kbringardI should be around more often21:37
kbringardstarted a new job and it took me awhile to figure out how to get on IRC again21:37
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hescoOK, have tried to respond to all the questions asked and anticipate any questions left:  https://gist.github.com/hesco/45c2d67b76f3d05a0811  This relates to my questions about getting keystone configured and working.21:39
kbringardshouldn't your auth URL be the non admin port?21:40
kbringardS_AUTH_URL=http://localhost:35357/v2.021:41
kbringardthat one21:41
kbringardnot sure it matters, but that's how all my rc files are setup21:41
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kbringardalso, if you add -v —debug you should get a lot more useful output21:42
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larskskbringard: AUTH_URL can point to either 35357 or 5000 and will generally work.21:42
kbringardah, cool21:43
larsks(some operations -- e.g., "password-update" -- will fail against the admin port)21:43
kbringardand sorry, -v is a neutron/cinder client thing21:43
kbringardso just --debug21:43
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kbringardlarsks keeps shaming me today21:45
kbringardwell played21:45
larsksPffft.21:45
larskshesco: If you set OS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT and OS_SERVICE_TOKEN and run "keystone user-get admin", can you post that output of that?21:46
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larsksOS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT can be set to OS_AUTH_URL< and OS_SERVICE_TOKEN is admin_token from keystone.conf21:46
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kbringardwondering if it's an ordering issue… setting the tenant name to admin, but then trying to create the admin tenant as the admin user in the admin tenant21:51
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kbringardbut the admin user won't have the admin role in the admin tenant if the admin tenant doesn't exist21:51
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hescolarsks:  responding to your request -- https://gist.github.com/hesco/45c2d67b76f3d05a081122:07
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kbringardpretty sure your issue is that the admin user doesn't have the admin right in the admin tenant, and when you're running the tenant create commands and whatnot the service_token is blank, so it can't "bypass authentication"22:09
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kbringardhesco: ^^22:10
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larskshesco: what kbringard said...that's what I was noticing from your puppet exec commands; the admin user doesn't get added to the admin tenant.22:11
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larskshesco: possibly running "keystone user-role-add --user admin --role admin --tenant admin" with OS_SERVICE_TOKEN and OS_SERVICE_ENDPOINT set will take care of that.22:12
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kbringard /usr/bin/keystone user-role-add --user=admin --tenant=admin --role=admin22:12
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kbringardI see that in the puppet stuff22:12
larsksDidn't seem to take, I guess.22:12
kbringardyea22:12
larsksWeird.22:13
kbringardindeed22:13
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PEPPERONIEthe puppet modules are the least-predictable puppet thing I've ever used22:13
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kbringardin the DB output it has the "default tenant" as blank22:13
kbringarderr, default_project_id22:13
larskshesco: I expect the output of user-get to look something like: https://gist.github.com/larsks/901050422:13
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kbringardand yea, no tenantId in the user-get output22:14
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kbringardanyway, I'll stop repeating lars now :-)22:14
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* larsks is taking off to take care of dinner.22:16
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newb123hi i'm getting a "Cached Token eb73c3f58a018112983164dd4dbc7922 is marked unauthorized" error from keystone. How do i prevent this from happening during installation of devstack?22:30
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hescolarsks and kbringard: thanks, to respond to your questions.  https://gist.github.com/hesco/45c2d67b76f3d05a081122:32
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cihhanHi all! I have a very weird behavior in my OpenStack; I wonder if anybody had similar issues: Somehow at a point, when I try to ssh to my instances, it goes back to the host machine -- I ssh to VM and I see that I am back on the controller... Reboot solves the issue, but how is this happening and why? Any ideas or suggestions?22:49
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kbringardhesco: hmmm, that certainly seems odd… but, fwiw, I imagine you'd be able to create your tenants and services and such if you specify OS_SERVICE_TOKEN before running all the keystone creation commands22:51
cihhankbrierly, yeah. The problem is this is happening very rarely22:51
kbringardyou may need to dig further into the roles and relations and stuff in the DB to see why it thinks the roles already exists but then fails22:51
cihhanHappens very rarely and that problem stays there until a reboot22:52
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kbringardcihhan: "the controller" meaning the network controller, where the L3 stuff terminates and should NAT back to the VM?22:53
enarcisoHello. I've been looking into the ldap backend for users and sql for the rest and I've got to the point that I can list all my users  however they are not enabled by default22:53
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cihhancontroller meaning that where keystone and glance are installed which also has nova-network22:54
kbringardah, are you running nova-network, or neutron?22:54
cihhannova-network22:54
enarcisowhen I try to run `keystone user-update --enabled true $username; I get an error "No user with a name or ID of $Username"22:54
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kbringardah so… it's long enough since I've run nova-network I don't know if I'll be much help, but I'd look at the IPtables rules in the NAT table22:54
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kbringardbecaue, the IP you're connecting to comes up on the network controller, and then it's supposed to nat back to the VM's private IP22:55
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kbringardif the NAT rules goes away, or is otherwise usurped, then it'll just connect to port 22 on the nova-network host22:55
kbringardwhich brings up another thought, you may want to consider binding sshd to only the "management" IP(s) on that host22:56
cihhanthe problem is lets say my VM is using A.B.C.D and it s perfectly fine. After a while, let s say that I delete that VM and create another VM. That VM has that issue. So it is not a specific IP.22:56
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cihhanI feel like there is a bug/glitch22:56
kbringardnova-network, I believe, is more or less unmaintained at this point22:56
kbringardI don't know that support has officially been dropped, but I don't think many people use/focus on it :-/22:56
kbringardso what I'm saying is: it's entirely possible :-D22:57
cihhanhehe :_22:57
cihhan:)22:57
kbringardnet time it happens, I'd probably start by running iptables -L -vn -t nat | grep <ip not working>22:57
kbringardand see what chains are there22:57
cihhanlet me check now22:57
cihhangood idea22:57
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kbringardyou can also ping that IP and see if the packet count on the chain goes up22:58
kbringardor, I guess, the rule in the chain, to be precise22:58
kbringardthat would give you a hint as to wether that chain and rule are being reached22:58
kbringardor if they even exist22:58
cihhanbut the question is why did it come out of nowhere?22:59
cihhanand how and from where?22:59
ekarlso|x|/win 2922:59
newb123has anyone had issues where keystone marks authentication tokens as unauthorized during a short install?22:59
kbringardchains get rebuilt on the network controller a lot, so it's possible there's a bug or bad data or something22:59
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kbringardcausing it to fail on that rule/chain/whatever23:00
kbringardjust guessing23:00
kbringardanyway, sorry, but I need to jam23:00
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kbringardnot only is it V-day, but my wife's birthday23:00
kbringardso if I'm home late, it's death23:00
cihhanyeah, most prob there is a bug messing with the routing tables23:00
cihhanhehehe23:00
kbringardbut, the symptom you're describing is that the floating IP is up on the NC23:00
cihhanget some good roses then :) Thank you very much though for your suggestions :)23:00
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kbringardbut it no longer knows that it's supposed to send it back somewhwre23:01
kbringardso it terminates on the NC locally23:01
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kbringardgood luck, I'd be curious to hear on Monday how it goes23:01
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hescoI'd like to strip out keystone and start over from scratch.  Were I to apt-get remove --purge keystone && mysql -e"DROP DATABASE keystone" && mysql -e"REVOKE all privieleges ON *.* FROM keystone@'%';" or something along those lines, would that be sufficient to create a clean environment from which to rebuild from scrtach?  Or are there other aspects of the keystone I need to clean out?23:34
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PEPPERONIEhesco: that should do it23:40
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hescoThanks PEPPERONIE, working on that script now23:43
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cjellickhesco are all your other services empty? they all point back to project ids that are in keystone23:48
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