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evilstephencan someone help me reset my admin user and pass?  I setup an AIO VM - I dont know what the default user/pass is02:14
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evilstephenI used this guide: http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Openstack:Havana-Openstack-Installer#Passwords02:14
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AkshikAre there any Citrix CPBM like tool for OpenStack, Though there are openstack plugin available are there any other tool available04:08
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venumhello This is Venu here05:13
venumhas anyone worked on using the "FAKE" Driver05:13
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venumhi05:16
venumhi Anand05:17
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venumsory not sure on how to do that...05:17
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venumthis is what I've been looking for http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/fakes.html#the-nova-virt-fake-module05:26
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ogzyi checked many questions and still couldn't solve my problem. Still getting error when i try to create security group: Unable to retrieve security groups., anybody can help me?08:10
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geurtogzy: please check you openvswitch configfile08:13
geurtthere is a section securitygroups08:13
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ogzygeurt: firewall_driver = neutron.agent.linux.iptables_firewall.OVSHybridIptablesFirewallDriver i am using havana on ubuntu08:14
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geurtagzy: on all nodes where openvswitch is configured?08:14
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ogzygeurt: on compute nod, yes08:15
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geurti've installed neutron/openvswitch on the controller node to... not for networking itselves but for the control functions08:15
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ogzygeurt: same setting is also on nova compute nodes08:16
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ogzygeurt: No route matched for GET /ports.json is the error i got at neutron server log, also same for network.json08:18
geurthave you installed neutron/openvswitch on the controller node?08:19
geurtThis is for a node which runs the control components of Neutron, but does not run any of the components that provide the underlying functionality (such as the plug-in agent or the L3 agent). If you wish to have a combined controller/compute node follow these instructions, and then those for the compute node.08:19
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ogzygeurt: neutron is on the controller08:21
ogzygeurt: compute is a seperate node08:21
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geurtogzy: if fixed this securitygroup issue by adding the firewall rule to all openvswitch config files in /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/..08:25
ogzygeurt: which rule?08:26
geurtogzy: but i'm still looking for some answers too :)08:26
geurtogzy: not really a rule but the config line you mentioned08:26
ogzygeurt: ok but it seems my problem is something else08:27
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geurt:) try to isolate events and tail your logs and backup your configfiles08:27
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ogzygeurt: how will i isolte event?08:32
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geurtogzy: well i have a test cluster and i make sure that i'm the only one working on it and then i tail the logs and execute the commands commandline or in the dashboard08:34
geurtto see where it fails08:34
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ogzygeurt: same as me08:37
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fandihi, how to Select hosts where instances are launched, but we only strict to specify tenant or image :)08:51
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viktorkhello all ,  what/where is the default config that is passed to cloud-init - I see some repositories are being applied to /etc/apt/sources.list I want to remove13:11
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GottanameHi, I'm having issues having my openstack all in one connect to my external LAN network13:19
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Gottanameto*13:19
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Gamekiller77that always fun to trouble shoot13:19
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GottanameThought openstack does that for you I guess13:20
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Gamekiller77does what13:21
Gamekiller77did you setup a router13:21
Gottanameerrr no?13:21
Gottanameit's necessary?13:22
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Gamekiller77how could you get out with out a router13:22
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Gamekiller77you have to have a GW setup13:22
GottanameGamekiller77, I meant within my current internal LAN13:22
Gottanameso I need another router inside my LAN to access it?13:22
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Gamekiller77sorry13:22
Gamekiller77a openstack router13:22
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Gamekiller77it software13:23
Gamekiller77SDN13:23
Gamekiller77if you log in to your project you see network and in there a router13:23
Gamekiller77you have to set it up to be external IP13:23
Gamekiller77then set it up as a GW for your instance network13:23
GottanameYeah I tried to create a router, but its status keeps saying down13:23
Gamekiller77the external interface13:23
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Gamekiller77reports down13:24
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Gamekiller77right13:24
Gamekiller77if so yup that normal13:24
Gamekiller77not sure why but it is13:24
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GottanameGamekiller77, okay so let me get this straight13:24
Gottanameassuming I have a LAN network of 192.168.0.0/2413:25
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Gottanamethis machine has an eth0 address of 192.168.0.3013:25
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Gamekiller77the real box13:25
Gottanameyeah13:25
Gamekiller77or the instance subnet13:25
Gamekiller77ok13:25
Gottanamethe real box13:25
Gamekiller77i have not played much with all in one13:26
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Gamekiller77i backwards i have a lot of multi nodes13:26
devoidso keystone-manage db_sync on an empty database seems to have different error behavior every time I run it.13:26
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GottanameGamekiller77, I assume I have to do this all in bash?13:26
Gamekiller77i do most of mine via GUI13:26
Gottanamebecause I'm not sure the allinone install nuetron or nova-network13:26
devoiddo the migration scripts not guard against transaction errors?13:26
Gamekiller77i know neutron so yah13:27
Gottanameneutron*13:27
Gottanamebut technically adding a router and network in openstacjk13:27
Gamekiller77devoid you getting migration number number problems13:27
Gottanameopenstack*13:27
Gottanameshould get it working already?13:27
devoidEventually I got my empty db up to v34 which seems to be the most current for havana.13:27
devoidGamekiller77 yea, 9 is not 10 errors.13:27
Gamekiller77yah me too13:28
devoid"2014-03-25 08:24:39.209 10373 CRITICAL keystone [-] 9 is not 10"13:28
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Gamekiller77yup yup13:28
devoidrunning it a bunch of times works, as I saw here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack/%23openstack.2013-05-20.log13:28
Gamekiller77did your run the command in order13:28
Gamekiller77like twice13:28
Gamekiller77yup13:28
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Gamekiller77we just rewrote our puppet module to run it like 4 times13:28
devoidlol13:28
devoidI'm going to put a note in the docs for that then.13:28
Gamekiller77i know13:28
Gamekiller77not sure what braking13:29
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openstackstatusNOTICE: the issue with gerrit cleared on its own before any corrective action was taken13:29
devoidat least for the Ubuntu guide.13:29
Gamekiller77i think the step for 9 to 10 the update is borked13:29
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Gamekiller77it the same for RH13:29
devoidI also love how none of the migration scripts are documented.13:29
Gamekiller77yup13:29
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devoidI think keystone is the only one that's guilty of that.13:29
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Gamekiller77trying to see why i can not schedule instance now on my setup13:30
Gamekiller77just sit there with scheduling bar13:30
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Gamekiller77have you seen the neutron used alpha version control for it DB13:32
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devoidalembic?13:32
Gamekiller77it havana13:33
Gamekiller77now13:33
Gamekiller77i was like ok13:33
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devoidhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/129729013:34
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Sam-I-Amdevoid: do you know if that applies to icehouse?13:52
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Sam-I-Ami've never seen that before on havana. might be from a newer minor release?13:52
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devoidSam-I-Am : well considering that the migrate scripts I was tripping up on haven't been upgraded since last August, I think so.13:54
devoidhttps://github.com/openstack/keystone/commits/master/keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo/versions/017_membership_role.py13:54
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vikihi13:54
vikiI got this error13:55
viki    from cinder.openstack.common.db import exception as db_exc13:55
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vikiImportError: No module named db13:55
vikihow to fix this ?13:55
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Gamekiller77Sam-I-Am, i have seen the same problem13:58
Sam-I-Amdevoid: interesting.13:58
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tomixxx5hi, http://devstack.org/guides/multinode-lab.html according to this guide, i have created the user "stack" on all nodes. but now when i reboot it asks me for a password but there should be no password to enter... i have ubuntu 12.04.4 lts13:59
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devoidviki, looks like a PYTHONPATH error. What is the environment where you are seeing this problem? Devstack? Install from source? Packages?13:59
Gamekiller77has anyone seen an instance stuck in the build step and not move at all.  I checked all the normal logs and i can not see any errors at all13:59
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tomixxx5ok, solved it already14:00
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tomixxx5plz help: i try to follow the devstack guide for multi-user deployment but it seems iam too stupid to even follow this guide. i have tried to create the "stack" user but it does not have sudo privileges14:58
tomixxx5http://devstack.org/guides/multinode-lab.html14:58
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tomixxx5if i reboot, the system asks me for a password, if i try to login with "stack" and if i do sth which needs sudo privileges, i always get sth like "permission denied"14:59
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tomixxx5when i call "stack.sh" WITH "sudo" then i get sth like "you should really create a sudo account to install openstack" then i run this user-create.sh file but i still get no root privileges15:00
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jokke_tomixxx5: if you would have bothered to google this would probably have been your first hit: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7477/how-can-i-add-a-new-user-as-sudoer-using-the-command-line ;)15:06
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tomixxx5jokke_: plz have a look at the devstack guide, there are 3 statements how to create a sudo user. i have executed these statements but it does not work!15:07
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annegentletomixxx5: look at tools/create-stack-user.sh in the devstack dir15:07
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annegentletomixxx5: it'll create the user15:07
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annegentletomixxx5: you still have to make stack:stack the owner of /root/devstack if that's where you git cloned the repo15:08
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annegentletomixxx5: I follow http://blog.phymata.com/2013/12/18/devstack-havana-on-the-rackspace-cloud/ often15:08
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annegentletomixxx5: it has step-by-step instructions15:08
tomixxx5annegentle: i have executed create-stack-user.sh! console told me it will grant me sudo privileges but i still dont have sudo privileges...15:08
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tomixxx5the devstack folder is placed at "/home/thomas"15:10
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annegentletomixxx5: does the thomas user have sudo privs?15:10
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tomixxx5annegentle: no, it does not have sudo privileges15:10
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annegentletomixxx5: ok the idea is that the stack user is created so that you won't run devstack as root15:11
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annegentletomixxx5: did you try to run devstack as the thomas user and get errors?15:11
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jokke_tomixxx5: do you have sudo installed?15:12
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annegentletomixxx5: I think you'll need a user with sudo permissions15:13
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tomixxx5jokke_: yes15:13
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jokke_tomixxx5: and your user can do something like "sudo bash" and you will have root console?15:13
tomixxx5annegentle: if i run with "thomas", i still get permission denied15:13
annegentletomixxx5: yes I think you don't have the permissions you'll need15:14
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annegentletomixxx5: devstack is for a developer environment so people use it to work on OpenStack not to deploy it. Often we'll spin up a vm just for that purpose.15:14
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tomixxx5if i do "su stack" it asks me for a password, but there should be no password.......15:14
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jokke_tomixxx5: it will always ask a password unless you do that as root15:15
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tomixxx5jokke_: yeah, if i do "sudo su stack" it works without password prompt...15:16
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jokke_ok, so your sudo works15:16
jokke_can you do sudo su or sudo bash with the stack user?15:17
tomixxx5after login, i have this: "stack@cloud3:/home/thomas/devstack$"15:17
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tomixxx5i can do sudo bash15:17
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tomixxx5but if i run "./stack.sh" the first line i get is this: "touch: cannot touch `/home/thomas/devstack/.localrc.auto': Permission denied"15:18
tomixxx5after that, i'am prompted for a mysql database pw...15:19
tomixxx5then i always do ctrl+c15:19
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tomixxx5if i reboot ubuntu, i cannot login as "stack" because the OS always ask for a pwd15:21
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annegentletomixxx5: right, because you don't have a user with root permission or sudo permission15:24
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tomixxx5if i do "reboot" from the "stack" user it says, however, "you need to be root"15:24
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annegentletomixxx5: you're starting from a point where you don't have permissions on the server you're using15:24
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annegentletomixxx5: you can't get there from here15:24
tomixxx5annegentle: this means what? i thought the user "root" has rot permissions?15:25
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tomixxx5the guide says: "u need a fresh install of ubuntu" -> i have a fresh install of ubuntu15:26
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annegentletomixxx5: so your fresh install of ubuntu didn't give you a root user?15:27
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annegentletomixxx5: as root, create the stack user, give it sudo permissions15:28
annegentletomixxx5: or give thomas user sudo permissions15:28
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tomixxx5annegentle: so create the devstack user after login with "sudo su -" ?15:28
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tomixxx5however, i have to delete first the previous devstack user account15:29
annegentletomixxx5: refer to the ubuntu documentation, but the idea is what's in the http://blog.phymata.com/2013/12/18/devstack-havana-on-the-rackspace-cloud/15:29
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tomixxx5plz not another guide....:/15:30
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devoidneed a guide-guide.15:30
tomixxx5i cant see guides anymore, really, i hate them right now! (sorry, iam a bit upset right now :/)15:30
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devoidtomixxx5 what's the perms on .localrc.auto15:31
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annegentletomixxx5: us guides want to guide you15:33
annegentletomixxx5: hang in15:33
devoidfwiw the document annegentle linked to looks good to me. there's always a bunch per perms-issues w/ devstack15:33
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annegentledevoid: yeah it trips me up all the time15:33
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tomixxx5i need a multi-node openstack deployment guide15:34
devoidspecifically because a. devstack doesn't want you to run it as root, b. devstack is run from whatever login user you have, and c. devstack creates the stack user and runs everything from /opt/stack15:34
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devoidtomixxx5, so not devstack?15:34
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devoidlike a full deployment on ubuntu?15:35
tomixxx5devoid: it's a devstack guide: http://devstack.org/guides/multinode-lab.html15:35
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devoidfor a full deployment w/ ubuntu, the Installation Guide for Ubuntu 12.04 is what you want.15:35
devoidhttp://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_preface.html15:35
viktork2can anybody tell how to fix this error at boot: Failed loading of cloud config '/var/lib/cloud/instance/cloud-config.txt'15:35
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tomixxx5so far, i have tried maas+juju+openstack, openstack based on the official guide (havana) and devstack guide.15:35
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tomixxx5ok i will try now to create the stack user with the root account15:37
devoidtomixxx5, did you run this command? echo "stack ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers15:38
tomixxx5devoid: yes15:38
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devoidtomixxx5, clarification, are you installing a multi-node devstack to do development / basic testing or are you installing it for "production"15:39
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atpa8ahello15:39
devoidbecause if you're doing it for "production" you do not want to be using devstack.15:39
tomixxx5devoid: i do this for my master thesis15:39
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tomixxx5devoid: so, not "production"15:40
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devoidtomixxx5, kk just making sure.15:40
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nekiniehey people15:52
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nekinieIv been working on a openstack setup15:52
nekiniecurrently has 3 physical devices15:52
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nekinie2 are for compute15:52
nekinie1 is for control15:53
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nekiniewith a firewall / gateway linking them15:53
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nekinieall the servers are configured on the subnet 10.200.30.0/2315:53
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nekinieand i would like all vms on 10.200.31.0/2315:54
nekiniebut so far i havent been able to get the vms to connect to the internet via this setup15:54
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tomixxx5btw, it seems i have no file "/home/thomas/devstack/.localrc.auto" at all15:55
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tomixxx5i cannot browse to it15:56
tomixxx5even with ctrl+h15:56
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devoidnekinie, "to connect to the internet" do you mean public floating ips? or private IPs w/ NAT? neutron or nova-network? which network driver in each? do the vms boot and get IPs? can you ping them from the controller?15:58
nekinieconnect to the internet15:58
nekinieprivate ips15:58
devoidtomixxx5, who owns all the files in the /home/thomas/devstack dir?15:58
nekinieusing the firewall as the gateway15:59
nekinieso a flat network setup15:59
nekinieusing neutron15:59
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tomixxx5devoid: owner is root15:59
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tomixxx5i mean the user "root"15:59
tomixxx5is the owner of the devstack folder15:59
nekiniewith the ovs plugin as per the instructions on the openstack wesbite (for ubuntu 12.04)16:00
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nekiniei cant ping them from the centeral guide16:01
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devoidnekinie, not sure what L2 that uses. Do your VMs get an IP on the 10.200.31.0/23 network?16:01
nekinie*centeral controller16:01
nekiniedevoid they dont automaticly get an ip16:01
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nekiniebut do boot16:01
devoidtomixxx5, so chmod -R stack:stack /home/thomas/devstack16:02
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tomixxx5devoid: OK will try this!16:02
nekiniehttp://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-install-network-node.html16:02
nekiniethats the link to guide a followed16:02
nekiniebut it is confusing16:03
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tomixxx5devoid: chmod: invalid mode "stack:stack"16:03
devoidsorry, chown16:03
tomixxx5np16:03
devoidnekinie, ok and you did the neutorn net-create… and subnet-create, etc?16:04
nekinieyes16:04
nekiniethat i did16:04
nekinieim just looking though the config to see if i made a mistake in there16:04
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devoidyea, first check all of the logs for any sign of errors16:05
tomixxx5devoid: it seems, stack.sh is working now, at least i dont get the permission error in first line. however, it still asks me for passwords, is this ok? (thought i have defined all pwds in local.conf)16:05
devoidmake sure you are logging somewhere, and probably set logging to debug.16:05
devoidtomixxx5, yea I'm not sure how local.conf vs localrc vs openrc works for devstack, others might know....?16:06
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nekinieERROR neutron.api.rpc.agentnotifiers.dhcp_rpc_agent_api [-] No DHCP agents are associated with network 'f09d1ddf-6259-4c63-8e0b-f9ee6c6aa979'. Unable to send notif16:06
tomixxx5devoid: however, ty!!!16:06
nekinieim guessing thats the root cause16:06
devoidnekinie, yea you need to run dhcp agent...16:06
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nekiniednsmasq right?16:06
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devoidnekinie, neutron-dhcp-agent should start that for you16:07
nekinieohh16:07
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nekiniewould that need to be run just on the controller16:08
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nekinieor the compute nodes also?16:08
devoidi'm not sure tbh16:08
nekiniealso thanks for helping16:08
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devoidnekinie, np. basically it's not working if you don't have a dnsmasq process running for each subnet on a machine that's connected to that subnet.16:10
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nekinieaah16:10
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nekiniefired it up16:10
nekiniegoing to clear the logs16:10
nekinieand see what happens16:10
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tomixxx5in which folder the "local.conf" file should be placed? per default, it is in the "samples" folder. is this ok?16:13
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devoidtomixxx5, i think it needs to be in the devstack folder16:13
tomixxx5ohoh16:14
devoiddevsack/samples == nothing that actually matters for ./stack.sh16:14
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tomixxx5i guess i should don't ask why this is not mentioned in the guide16:16
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devoidwell the multi-node guide was probably written with the expectation that you've already setup a single-node devstack before. so it probably leaves a lot of steps out...16:17
tomixxx5can i simply re-run ./stack.sh ?16:17
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devoidit may complain and ask you to run ./unstack.sh16:18
devoiddepends on how far you got.16:19
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tomixxx5devoid: still executing ./stack.sh on cluster controller. not exectued yet on compute nodes16:19
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tomixxx5btw: it is also not mentioned where to place the "local.conf" in the single-node-guide16:20
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devoiddoes a heat-engine process automatically SIGTERM itself if it finds another heat-engine on the queue?16:22
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tomixxx5ok, in the "local.conf" i can read the following: # NOTE: Copy this file to the root ``devstack`` directory for it to work properly."16:25
tomixxx5;-)16:25
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exed_what is the easiest way to get the associated interface name of an instance?16:39
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iggyexed_: maybe virsh domiflist16:46
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exed_iggy: thanks16:54
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geurthi I get an error if i use the command neutron net-create17:08
geurtERROR neutron.api.rpc.agentnotifiers.dhcp_rpc_agent_api [-] No DHCP agents are associated with network 'b9469354-f2a5-4b6e-a153-cdc437adb109'. Unable to send notification for 'network_create_end' with payload:17:08
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geurtdoes anyone have a clue?17:09
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badamsgeurt: it means that you have to manually assign a DHCP agent to that network17:12
geurtok how can we automate it?17:13
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badamsit should be automatic by default, but i thin kthere's an option in maybe the dhcp agent conf file for it17:14
badamsthink*17:14
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badamsor maybe the main neutron conf file17:15
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geurtit is  configuration maze :)17:18
geurtat some points17:18
badamsgeurt: yeah that's true. lemme see if i can find something17:18
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badamsok yeah. network_auto_schedule in neutron.conf17:19
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badamsgeurt: set to true17:20
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djoreillygeurt: there is a bug for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/128913017:27
djoreillygeurt: once you create a port or  boot an instance, it should be scheduled then17:28
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devoidIs there a way to change whether a flavor is public or not from the command line?17:32
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devoid(nova instance flavors) neither flavor-key nor flavor-access-add look to be appropriate17:33
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IRTermiteco-worker just pointed out this page is full of 404's.  Anyone know who to talk to, or anyone here have access to check/fix?  http://activity.openstack.org/data/display/OPNSTK2/neutron17:42
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muxhmm - is the openstack website in git? fix it and submit a pull request17:55
muxmight count as a code submission, get a discount on the Openstack Summit :)17:56
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geurtdjoreilly: let me try that one :)17:56
dolphmmux: next* openstack summit (paris)17:56
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muxdolphm: ahh, can't get in on the Atlanta one?18:00
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muxdolphm: (Paris would be nicer, for sure!)18:00
dolphmmux: the list of ATC's was produced in january for atlanta, i believe18:01
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muxhmm - what's an ATC?18:03
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geekinutah_webmux: Active Technical Contributor18:03
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geekinutah_webmux: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee18:04
muxahhh18:04
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gmidevoid:you can create a new flavor and not make it public then give access only to a tenant18:18
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devoidgmi, thx, but the case I have is a public flavor that needs to now be private18:18
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gmidevoid:I don't think you can mess with the built-in flavors18:19
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devoidgmi, seems like it although I don't know why. It's a simple database change, but I'm trying to file bugs when I have to do one of those.18:21
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devoidgonna ping the busy folks on openstack-nova if I don't get a definitive answer from someone here in the next few minutes. :)18:22
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IRTermitemux: hah, doubt confluence sites are in git, but that would be a great idea!18:26
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Guest77325http://www.marketglory.com/strategygame/galahad1st for all you online gamers out there, if you didn't already, use this link to register on MerkatGlory a free2play financial strategy game where virtual currency can be converted into real money. It starts out slow but in time you can turn a good profit18:32
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IRTermiteoh, cool, SPAM!  Pft, great another real/fake money game!18:34
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jelly-homemux: it would be nice if confluence could work with a svn or git backend like ikiwiki18:35
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chathura77Does anyone know what command openstack uses to creat KVM virtual machines. ?18:37
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chathura77is it virt-install, qemu-sytem-x86 etc..?18:38
PEPPERONIEchathura77: it does virt-install18:38
PEPPERONIEfrom what I see in the logs18:38
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chathura77PEPPERONIE: On what log did you see this? the thing is virt-install is not installed on my compute-nodes so I assume it must be doing something else18:39
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PEPPERONIEwhoa, ok18:41
PEPPERONIEchathura77: which driver did you pick? KVM?18:41
chathura77yes18:42
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chathura77PEPPERONIE: so it could be just “kvm”18:42
chathura77?18:42
PEPPERONIEchathura77: I suppose ues18:42
PEPPERONIEyes18:42
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chathura77PEPPERONIE: ok thanks18:44
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devoidis there a way to let end-users set ephemeral and swap volume sizes on instance boot?18:54
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jgriffithdevoid: flavor18:59
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devoidjgriffith, I was hoping for an alternate to flavor since we already have ~40 flavors at the moment.19:00
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devoid*wonders how nova scales with respect to # of flavors*19:02
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PEPPERONIEdevoid: it's just one table, right?19:04
PEPPERONIEshould be fine19:04
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devoidPEPPERONIE, I was being slightly sarcastic. But actually Horizon is not very useable at 40. Once we got to 120+ if we do separate ephemeral and swap sizes, it will not work at all.19:05
PEPPERONIEohhh yes19:05
PEPPERONIEcan metadata be used to set something like that?19:06
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devoidPEPPERONIE, there's this, which theoretically landed https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BlockDeviceConfig19:08
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devoidhmm you're still capped by the ephemeral size19:13
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devoidif you do nova boot [options] —ephemeral size=10,format=ext419:14
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Gamekiller77has any one seen a "too many files open" warning19:40
devoidGamekiller77 yes19:40
devoidalthough, for elasticsearch, not an OpenStack thing.19:41
Gamekiller77lol19:41
Gamekiller77this is on the dashboard19:41
Gamekiller77with the nova client19:41
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devoidulimit -Hn19:43
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OrmucoJCHi guys, I'm a Newbie... I currently looking for a recomendation on a company that can assist us with implementing and supporting our own Openstack. We're looking for the best company for help with this.20:44
OrmucoJCI'm20:44
Sam-I-AmOrmucoJC: rackspace? mirantis?20:46
devoidOrmucoJS, not a bad place to start looking: https://www.openstack.org/foundation/companies/20:46
Sam-I-Amdepends on how customized you need it20:47
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OrmucoJCThank you for your guidance!20:48
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ment0sHello20:57
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PEPPERONIEment0s: hello20:58
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ment0sI am looking for a bit of advice, I'm a student and I have to write about cloud computing and virtualization.21:02
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ment0sI am not sure which solution is better, should hypervisor be filled with hard drives and should I use those hard drives to store virtual machines or should I attach storage servers to hypervisor over lets say iSCSI and leave hypervisor only with operating system on it ?21:04
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devoidment0s, it really depends on your definition of better. cost, complexity, performance and what hardware you already have.21:06
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ment0sI can see in cloudstack and openstack that storage for Vm's is most likely to be attached over NFS or iSCSI but this solution cause a problems with bandwidth which with my calculations to run 3000 virtual machines and keep those VM's with 3Gbps HDD speed I will run out of any NIC's that would supply such performance21:06
PEPPERONIEment0s: generally speaking if you want non-local storage it needs to be HA21:07
screwgoth@ment0s I hope I'm not side-tracking here, but have you considered a "converged" approach ?21:07
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screwgothSay like what people like Nutanix and Pluribus offer ?21:07
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devoidment0s, how are you going to do 9Tbps of disk storage locally (or remotely?)21:08
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ment0sdevoid: well, thats the problem. If I want remote storage I will need 9.2 Tbps bandwidth21:09
ment0sdevoid: so after all calculations and trying to find SAN with soo many fiber channels I gave up and trying to find other solution21:10
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devoidment0s, I think you're off by at least two orders of magnitude on your bandwidth expectations. Unless you're the magical student with $100M USD.21:12
ment0shypervisors so far have been designed to support 920GbE after Active-Backup LACP, 30Gbps is the maximum required by VM's21:12
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ment0sdevoid: project budget 8.5MLN british pounds21:12
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ment0sso basically local storage solution would be the only option here, with iSCSI backup ?21:14
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chathura77what would be the reason if I can run an image manually using kvm, virt-install and qemu. But when I use glance the kernel can not find the OS ?21:17
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iggyment0s: something like ceph storing the disk images (or whatever openstack's default flavor is)21:22
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iggyrbd actually... ceph implies the filesystem21:23
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ment0sdevoid: so how else can you provide native speed of sata 3gbps to virtual machines if you have 3000 of them, I am searching 4th hour and cannot find any other solutions except local storage of hypervisor21:32
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devoidment0s what application do you have that you need that?21:32
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devoidalso that's sata 2.0 bus speeds. 7.2K RPM hard disks are going to run much slower than that.21:33
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ment0sdevoid: well, 3Gbps speed number is the maximum which includes growth of the network, even if I cut it down to half its not possible to achieve. Network has to provide maximum of 3000 VM's ( there will be 3000 zero clients inside building ) + ~30 servers + about 70 users might need access to 3 VM's at the same time.21:36
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desai3 gbps * 3000 clients isn't too much bandwidth if you have a decent network21:37
desaisomething 40ge for example21:37
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ment0sdesai: thats the bandwidth for VM's HDD's stored separately from hypervisors ( thats the issue here )21:38
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ment0sdesai: hypervisors together have 920GGbE , maximum of 30GbE is required to run 3000 VM's at maximum performance and this 30GbE is an overkill anyway so problem is not there, the problem is where I want to store virtual machines on separated hardware from hypervisors.21:40
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ment0sdesai: so the quiestion is, Is it even possible to achieve it by storing VM's remotely, or should I just store them localy on hypervisors21:41
desaii'm not sure that is much of an issue21:41
desaiyou need a clos network of some sort21:41
desaiyou could do it either with ethernet or infiniband at 40 gigabits21:41
desaimellanox's orca switches will do 648 non-blocking 40 gigabit ports21:41
desaiand those are ~5 years old21:41
desaisay, to make the math easy, you're putting 12 vm on each host21:41
desaithat would mean you need 36 gigabit/node21:41
desaiand 250 nodes21:41
desaifor the client side21:41
desaiand something similar for the storage side21:41
desaiwhich would fit on one of these switches21:41
desaigetting software that will drive it well is a different problem21:41
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ment0sdesai: but such soolutions would require over 100 storage nodes, would be cheaper to store them localy on hypervisor ( a looot cheaper )21:42
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devoidment0s, for networking: http://www.amazon.com/High-Performance-Datacenter-Networks-Architectures/dp/160845402921:44
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desaiit really depends what your workload is21:45
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ment0sdesai: servers I have in design have 4 dual 40GbE NIC's, in this case I would need 29 of those servers, so its 29 servers x 8 40GbE fibers = 232 fiber connections that needs to be connected to hypervisors21:45
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devoidment0s, for determining what you're workload actually needs: http://www.amazon.com/Systems-Performance-Enterprise-Brendan-Gregg-ebook/dp/B00FLYU9T2/21:46
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ment0sdevoid: thanks for those links, will defo read it.21:47
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* desai high-5's devoid21:47
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ment0sdevoid:  could you just tell me if its bad solution to put VM's localy on hypervisor ( and then back up onto iSCSI targets ) ?21:48
desaithe answer is maybe21:48
desaidepending on the workload21:48
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desaithere are very few hard and fast rules in this space21:48
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devoid^ this21:48
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desaihere is one way to think about this21:49
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iggyit's a bad solution (I have no proof... I just flipped a coin)21:50
desaiwith a network, you can balance out your workload if it is uneven21:50
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desaiwith locally attached disk, you need to make sure that you have enough capacity in the right places21:50
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desaitho you get performance isolation21:50
desaiwhich can be good, depending on your requirements21:50
desaiso definitely maybe21:50
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ment0swell,  the building is the College that will be build in future, with max 3000 workstations that all are "zero clients" around 90% of those VM's will be just standard windows box with browser and no workload, just accesing files+office etc21:51
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ment0sthe rest of VM's will be for networking and 3d grpahics design ( for graphics there will be separate grid from NVIDIA )21:51
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borgifiedhi Lars, is this a good place to ask you a question on your slides: http://slidedeck.io/larsks/rdo-hangout-multinode-packstack-slides22:07
TijuanenseI am getting this error when trying to upload to the server22:10
Tijuanensehttp://i.imgur.com/eizzhMx.jpg22:10
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chathura77Does anyone know a way to find out the exact kvm or Qemu command that nova-compute executes when creating a VM?22:16
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muxchathura77: "ps fax"22:25
mux:)22:25
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chathura77mux: awesome. I didn’t even think about it :D22:26
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cjellickhi all. a have a question about the "max_pool_size" database config property for nova. is that property used across all nova services? meaning if it is set to 5, nova-api will keep 5 connections and noava-conductor will keep a separate 5 connections?22:27
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derek_ctrying to run devstack here, getting a "SQL connection failed" error in cinder's screen session.  Does anyone know what could be wrong?23:35
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