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| h6w | Morning all. | 01:32 |
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| beast | hi | 02:00 |
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| beast | anyone could explain to me about different between active/passive and active/active on openstack ha ? | 02:07 |
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| h6w | beast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-availability_cluster#Node_configurations | 02:18 |
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| beast | h6w, so for failover mechanism, it will be prefer using active/active, right ? | 02:20 |
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| h6w | beast: No, failover would be active/passive. | 02:21 |
| h6w | Active/active shares the load, whereas active/passive has a "primary" and a "backup". | 02:21 |
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| beast | is on active/passive also have replicated vm and data inside too ? i mean vm and data inside will repicated | 02:22 |
| beast | ? | 02:22 |
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| h6w | Yes, in both cases data is replicated. That's just plain HA. | 02:23 |
| h6w | In active/passive vs active/active, the main concern is data corruption at the software level. | 02:23 |
| beast | what do you mean with software leve ? | 02:24 |
| beast | *level | 02:24 |
| h6w | Let's say you have a UDP channel, every other packet is sent to the second node because of the active/active load balancing. | 02:25 |
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| h6w | This means that the write sequence to the shared storage may end up out of order. | 02:25 |
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| h6w | If that's important, then that has to be dealt with in software. It's not the shared storage's fault it got instructions in the wrong order. | 02:26 |
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| h6w | In active/passive, all packets are sent to the primary node until the primary node fails. Then the passive node takes over, and continues writing. | 02:27 |
| beast | oh..i see | 02:27 |
| h6w | Active/active is great if you have people accessing a service from multiple locations, but it adds a layer of complexity that isn't always obvious at first. | 02:27 |
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| beast | i think i prefer using acitve/passive mechanisme, because my purpose is for data replication and failover | 02:28 |
| beast | any reference how to start it ? | 02:28 |
| h6w | I'm currently running an active/active cluster, and we have to have a message queue and additional checks to ensure that the software can read what each other writes. | 02:29 |
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| beast | h6w, any reference how i can setup it ? | 02:29 |
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| h6w | Have you built a stack before? | 02:30 |
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| h6w | Because the easiest way is to use something like Mirantis Fuel. | 02:30 |
| beast | i have 2 machine now, i have setup AIO on both of machine | 02:30 |
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| beast | AIO is not recommended, but it is possible, right ? | 02:31 |
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| h6w | Well, technically yes, but I've never managed to get it working properly. | 02:32 |
| h6w | The whole split-brain problem is a real drag. | 02:32 |
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| h6w | It's far better to do Host VMs, from what I've heard. | 02:33 |
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| beast | do you have reference for setup cluster on Openstack ? | 02:34 |
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| h6w | beast: You mean something like this? http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/ | 02:49 |
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| beast | h6w: i have found this http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/ch-intro.html | 02:50 |
| h6w | It's a bit faster if you use puppet, etc, if you know puppet. Otherwise use Ironic's baremetal option, or Mirantis, etc. | 02:50 |
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| h6w | Yep. That's what I used originally, too. | 02:51 |
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| beast | i have install corosync and pacemaker now | 02:58 |
| beast | also openstack on the second machine | 02:58 |
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| beast | on my openstack installation there is no neutron, is it no problem ? | 02:59 |
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| beast | i just isntall keystone,nova,glance and horizon | 02:59 |
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| beast | i use nova-network instead neutron | 02:59 |
| beast | is it no problem ? | 02:59 |
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| hrzbrg | hi, I have a setup with 3 vm-nodes with ubuntu 14.04 and the icehouse rc1/2. my network node is running ml2/ovs with gre tunnels. I also have an IPv6 /48 subnet at hand. Is there a way that I my instances can get publicly routable v6 addresses from this subnet? | 06:24 |
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| beast | anyone have experience setup openstack ha active/passive ? | 06:39 |
| beast | i need more information about the configuration | 06:39 |
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| indrajeetnaik | how to create a framework like nova, keystone and quantum? | 06:46 |
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| nicolash | i'm trying to follow the devstack tutorial, but I can't deploy any instance, and I get a | 08:56 |
| nicolash | >2014-04-11 10:39:39.284 ERROR nova.wsgi [-] Could not bind to 0.0.0.0:8773 | 08:56 |
| nicolash | >2014-04-11 10:39:39.284 CRITICAL nova [-] error: [Errno 98] Address already in use | 08:56 |
| nicolash | in the logs | 08:56 |
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| vks | hi all, need to discuss on neutron , anybody who know a neutron bit and have time ? | 10:24 |
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| baffle | In policy.v3cloudsample.json there is a definition of the cloud_admin rule, '"cloud_admin": "rule:admin_required and domain_id:admin_domain_id",' .. How should admin_domain_id be entered? I tried to just put '"cloud_admin": "rule:admin_required and domain_id:7106b7f435634883a3b85621a8252e97",' but that doesn't seem to work. Should it be defined somewhere? Should the string be escaped? | 10:31 |
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| humbolt | Hey, my keystone DB is 12 GB in size !!! | 10:32 |
| humbolt | Any suggestions, where that might be coming from? | 10:32 |
| baffle | humbolt: You store your tokens in it. | 10:33 |
| baffle | humbolt: Switch to another storage backend for tokens, like Redis or Memcached. | 10:33 |
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| baffle | humbolt: Old expired tokens are never removed from the DB, so it will grow and grow and grow.. There are scripts to clean it up, but I would really recommend switching storage backends instead. :) | 10:34 |
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| baffle | humbolt: And ofcourse, those scripts only deletes the IDs, your DB files will not be truncated, assuming you use InnoDB. | 10:34 |
| humbolt | baffle: Ok, I'll clean first and switch next. | 10:34 |
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| humbolt | baffle: Which means? The data is still in this InnoDB file? | 10:35 |
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| oglok | Hi everybody | 10:35 |
| baffle | humbolt: No, space is still reserved in the InnoDB file. It will fill up with new tokens. :) | 10:35 |
| baffle | humbolt: http://www.sebastien-han.fr/blog/2012/12/12/cleanup-keystone-tokens/ | 10:35 |
| baffle | (I think that is still valid, haven't checked) | 10:35 |
| vks | hi all | 10:36 |
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| humbolt | baffle: and both redis and memcached clean out expired tokens? | 10:36 |
| oglok | Anyone knowing about the API of LoadBalancer Neutron? | 10:36 |
| oglok | I've been 2 days trying to use it...and I'm still stuck... cannot create a pool | 10:37 |
| vks | is there a way we can update the interface of vm at run time ? | 10:37 |
| oglok | interface of VM? | 10:37 |
| vks | ye | 10:37 |
| vks | yes ? | 10:37 |
| baffle | humbolt: Well, I guess in memcache it will just reside in memory, and you set how much memory you have; So old tokens will just be overwritten. :) | 10:37 |
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| vks | oglok: any idea ? | 10:38 |
| oglok | don't know what you mean | 10:38 |
| vks | humbolt: any thought ? | 10:38 |
| baffle | vks: Not that I know of, I think it is only defined on creation? Maybe you can add more, but I haven't tested that. | 10:38 |
| oglok | what do you mean by interface? | 10:39 |
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| oglok | @baffle Have you ever used the python neutron client in order to create a pool for loadbalancing? | 10:39 |
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| baffle | oglok: Sorry, no. | 10:40 |
| oglok | thanks, anyone? | 10:40 |
| vks | i mean lets say a instance has 2 interface (nic) with two different I.P. and then at some point of time , I want to change one of the I.P. with different network address. how can i do that? | 10:41 |
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| oglok | vks, I would change the configuration of the interface within the VM | 10:48 |
| oglok | for instance, if you have an Ubuntu VM, go to /etc/interfaces | 10:48 |
| oglok | configure it, and reboot the networking services | 10:48 |
| oglok | I would give a try | 10:48 |
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| oglok | I guess for the private network...not a floating ip, right? | 10:49 |
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| vks | oglok: it should not be done manually , it should come as quantum or nova api | 10:51 |
| vks | thats my point | 10:51 |
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| humbolt | baffle: when I move token handling to memcached, can I delete the token table? | 10:52 |
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| baffle | humbolt: At least the content, it might be needed for later db migrations? | 10:57 |
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| baffle | Anyone using policy.v3cloudsample.json for their policy.json? I'm trying to figure out why I'm not permitted to do stuff as cloud_admin.. How is your '"cloud_admin": "rule:admin_required and domain_id:admin_domain_id",' line defined? | 11:04 |
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| oglok | nobody has ever used the API to create a pool for loadbalancing? | 11:08 |
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| humbolt | I get a "ERROR: Unauthorized (HTTP 401)" on nova list, but the credentials are certainly right! | 11:38 |
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| hackoo | Hi can anyone please guide me what parameter in which file I need to update to setup devstack with SSL enabled. | 11:58 |
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| mntzn | are nova api's documented somewhere? i.e in which scenarios which api's should be enabled? | 12:04 |
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| sojoknuckle | oglok: I have used the neutron client for the LB pool , what is your question about it | 12:11 |
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| humbolt | WARNING keystoneclient.middleware.auth_token [-] Verify error: Command 'openssl' returned non-zero exit status 4 | 12:12 |
| humbolt | Does that have anything todo with ssl-heartbleed? | 12:12 |
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| oglok | sojoknuckle: I am trying to use the python API | 12:14 |
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| oglok | and after authentication, for example I can use the method list_pools() | 12:14 |
| oglok | and is working fine | 12:14 |
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| oglok | i do something like | 12:14 |
| oglok | neutron.list_pools() | 12:14 |
| oglok | and it works | 12:14 |
| oglok | but I'm trying to create a new pool....and the function says nothing about how to pass the arguments | 12:15 |
| oglok | I'm trying to do something like | 12:15 |
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| oglok | neutron.create_pool(pool='mypool', lb_method='ROUND_ROBIN', protocol='HTTP' ....... ) | 12:16 |
| oglok | and it's not working | 12:16 |
| oglok | I tried to do a list witht the parameters | 12:16 |
| oglok | a dictionary | 12:16 |
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| oglok | and nothing!! | 12:16 |
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| sojoknuckle | oglok: sorry i have only used the neutron client and horizon for this , not yet explored the python api yet | 12:24 |
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| jkary1 | If tcpdump gives me traffic on a TAP i/f but tcpdump doesn't give me traffic on the same qvXX then is this bad? I'm trying to figure out why I dont see traffic on my br-int between two VMs in the same network on the same compute node | 13:20 |
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| blinky_ghost | Hi all, I've deployed an instance with bind service running that accepts dynamic dns register. Is it possible to have my instances registered when they boot on this dns server and create A records dynamically? I use neutron/havana. Thanks | 13:55 |
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| humbolt1 | I got an authentication problem. Interesting enough, it only concerns nova and neutron (cinder and glance are fine). This surely must be a lead to what causes the problem. | 14:22 |
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| coredump | anyone using havana's Cinder with glusterFS? I am doing some benchmarks and would like to compare. | 14:25 |
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| kbringard | coredump: sorry, I'm not | 14:28 |
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| kbringard | humbolt1: I assume you have the service user/pass stuff set properly in your paste-api.ini? | 14:28 |
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| humbolt1 | kbringard: Should be. And this was working just 2 days ago. I found out, that my PKI certs have expired, so I did ssl_setup and pki_setup. | 14:29 |
| humbolt1 | kbringard: and purged the previous certs | 14:29 |
| kbringard | ah… I've not setup PKI auth, so I'm afraid I probably won't be too helpful | 14:29 |
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| humbolt1 | kbringard: when I switch to uuid, where do I have to make all these changes? | 14:30 |
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| mleone_1 | so im trying to setup openstack on centos and following the docs, when i get to the point where i unset the env variables to test the identity service i get a 500 error saying auth failed unable to sign token any ideas? | 14:40 |
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| sojoknuckle | hey all , general cloud question. for the openstack clouds you manage , work in , … how to you handle patching of the guests | 14:59 |
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| sojoknuckle | thinking like guest OS patches , middleware , ... | 15:00 |
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| coredump | is there any advantage creating volumes as QCOW2 on glusterfs? | 15:07 |
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| near77 | hi | 15:09 |
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| e-vad | sojoknuckle: depends how far down the 'cattle' or ci/cd path you've gone | 15:11 |
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| e-vad | sojoknuckle: in most cases i'd handle it the same as you did prior, if you're down the 'shoot the app in the face' path, where failure of a guest doesn't matter to the success of the application, you should be able to do a rolling update or so | 15:12 |
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| e-vad | that is, guests, not so much the openstack infrastructure bits | 15:12 |
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| jrwren | sojoknuckle: halt and run them. | 15:13 |
| sojoknuckle | e-vad: looking what other people are doing my current usage is more DEV/TST for the guest , lets assume the life span of the guest is less than 6 month , one thought it build and forget ;) | 15:13 |
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| jrwren | sojoknuckle: 99% of our guests use ephemeral and not cinder storage. we use cloud-init so that when they start they self configure and start. | 15:14 |
| jrwren | sojoknuckle: ideally we never SSH to them because we have logging and monitoring | 15:14 |
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| jrwren | sojoknuckle: actually getting to that level is a never ending challenge :) | 15:14 |
| e-vad | sojoknuckle: more or less what jrwren said ^^ | 15:14 |
| sojoknuckle | maybe if they run longer treat them like i do today , defined patching cycles | 15:15 |
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| sojoknuckle | cloud-init huh | 15:15 |
| e-vad | they're very temporary, use cloud-init (or chef, puppet, ansible, etc) to get the off the ground right | 15:15 |
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| sojoknuckle | is there any good article on using cloud-init for somethign like this ? | 15:16 |
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| sojoknuckle | jrwren: and yes my use case would also be ephermeral in the general case | 15:17 |
| sojoknuckle | but i still have some app that still live in the 90’s | 15:17 |
| near77 | hi | 15:17 |
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| near77 | we have recently experienced an error that has caused our openstack cloud to fall | 15:17 |
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| near77 | we had all compute nodes ami's stored in an nfs | 15:18 |
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| near77 | and that nfs folder was deleted | 15:18 |
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| near77 | I'm trying to think of similar scenarios that can cause a widespread error on openstack | 15:18 |
| near77 | any ideas? | 15:18 |
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| sojoknuckle | near77: I assume you not talking about network failures between the nodes …. | 15:20 |
| near77 | no, that would be something related to a switch falling | 15:21 |
| sojoknuckle | so limited to openstack config then? | 15:21 |
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| near77 | The idea is to know in what scenarios having 1 node for critical stuff that is not a nova compute with vms is usefull | 15:22 |
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| near77 | yeah, openstack configs, api calls | 15:22 |
| near77 | for example someone decides to do an api call to all nova computes and delete all vms | 15:22 |
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| near77 | or an update on kvm fails for all nodes | 15:22 |
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| jrwren | sojoknuckle: not much articles. this and the source. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit | 15:23 |
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| sojoknuckle | jrwren: thanks | 15:23 |
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| sojoknuckle | near77: thinking user error or more malicious | 15:25 |
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| near77 | mmm both | 15:28 |
| near77 | but more inclined on user error | 15:28 |
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| sojoknuckle | near77: hmmmm my mind is spinning an admin user ? because i could see many things they could do that a tenant could not | 15:34 |
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| coredump | so, if I get X throughput from the hosting server and X/2 when running the same test from an instance, is iscsi the bottleneck? | 15:35 |
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| near77 | for example sojoknuckle? | 15:37 |
| near77 | admin errors are what im looking for mostly | 15:37 |
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| near77 | what kind of errors could bring a whole cloud down | 15:37 |
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| sojoknuckle | near77: what if the admin would delete parts of the network config , while the cloud is running its not accessable or the guest can not get out if they need to so is it really running | 15:39 |
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| near77 | yeah but that would only affect a nova compute | 15:39 |
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| near77 | it should affect all regions | 15:39 |
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| sojoknuckle | near77: what about deleting the user in keystone ? | 15:40 |
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| near77 | if keystone where to dissapear | 15:43 |
| near77 | the only thing that would happen is that new instances cannot be created, destroyed, rebooted etc | 15:43 |
| near77 | but the "cloud" would keep on working | 15:43 |
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| sojoknuckle | hmmm so your def for the “cloud” is running are the guests stay active , not that you can manage the cloud per say | 15:45 |
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| sojoknuckle | your example from eariler was the nfs fo the guest images disappears does that not also only stop nova compute ? | 15:47 |
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| near77 | the important thing are the guest | 15:51 |
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| near77 | no, the only problem was that the guests turned to have a RO filesystem | 15:51 |
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| sojoknuckle | near77: ok not really coming up with others right now | 15:52 |
| near77 | ok, thanks! | 15:52 |
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| pscheie | We just upgraded from grizzly to havana, but now can't seem to get a response from nova api. | 15:56 |
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| pscheie | e.g., with nova --debug list, we see the curl request for a token, but no answer comes back. | 15:56 |
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| Chocobo | Woa! I just had a serious issue occur... the _base image of running VMs was deleted. Is there anyway to get that back? | 15:57 |
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| pscheie | The very strange part is this seems to affecting our secondary tenant as well which we did not upgrade and is still running grizzly. | 15:58 |
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| pscheie | The curl request connects to nova-api, but then it just hangs. | 15:59 |
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| near77 | any other SPOF in openstack? | 16:12 |
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| near77 | are there other ways to shutdown a guest without the nova compute api? | 16:15 |
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| Chocobo | is it glance-scrubber that is resonsible for deleting the unused files in _base? | 16:17 |
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| Chocobo | And where in the database is the information about _base images? | 16:20 |
| meylor | near77: outside of openstack; you could use virsh | 16:20 |
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| near77 | thanks! | 16:23 |
| near77 | are calls to virsh authenticated? | 16:23 |
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| Chocobo | or does openstack check to see if base files are in use? | 16:27 |
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| ctorger | We've finally upgraded our production stack to Havana, but are having problems getting tokens out of keystone. Clients connect and upload auth info and then the connection just hangs until timeout (10 min later). | 16:41 |
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| ctorger | I can't find anything useful in the keystone logs. Doing the auth post manually via curl fails as well. | 16:42 |
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| near77 | is rabbitmq authenticated in openstack? | 16:53 |
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| larsks | near77: It can be. | 16:56 |
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| near77 | but by default its not? | 16:56 |
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| larsks | near77: I guess? It's hard to say since it really depends on how you've set up your rabbitmq server, which is really outside of openstack. Deployment tools like packstack have places to set username/password for rabbitmq. | 16:57 |
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| hesco | https://bugs.launchpad.net/puppet-openstack/+bug/1306734 | 17:28 |
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| hesco | should this have been filed in a queue specific to keystone, perhaps? | 17:28 |
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| hesco | I'm getting conflicting errors from keystone module: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1148775c37a95adee38c | 17:37 |
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| hesco | can anyone please provide me with guidance on how to resolve this? Thanks. | 17:37 |
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| hesco | I just filed a pull request at: https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-keystone/pull/4 and see that the gerrit installation is urging that the change be uploaded to the gerrit server using the workflow described here: http://wiki.openstack.org/GerritWorkflow Am I correct to assume that these are instructions applicable to whomever maintains the repo I submitted the pull request to, and that as the contributor it is not my place to s | 18:07 |
| hesco | end this on to the CI server? Or should I review those instructions and do that myself? | 18:07 |
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| hesco | First time contributor would appreciate guidance on the appropriate process. Thanks. | 18:08 |
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| hesco | correction, guess gerrit is actually the code review tool, not the CI server | 18:11 |
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| jproulx | hesco yup, we don't do pull requests, the workflow is to submit reviews to gerrit with 'git review', seems you've found that, if not I can look up a pointer into the docs on how to get setup | 18:26 |
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| hesco | thanks jproulx, I'm reading that now | 18:26 |
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| jproulx | I found it a bit daunting at first, but (usually) find the review process it provides helpful | 18:27 |
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| hesco | I'm at a loss as to how to resolve the errors described here: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1148775c37a95adee38c Can anyone please point me in the right direction, please? | 18:42 |
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| hesco | jproulx:two more process questions: if I will not be submitting a pull request, I assume there is no need to fork the project on github first, but that I ought to clone directly from the master source. Is that right? Also, am I looking at the right repo, at: https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-keystone, or is there something at git.openstack I should be cloning from instead? | 19:09 |
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| sputnik13 | hesco: the errors you're asking about are from puppet-keystone, you should ask in #puppet-openstack | 19:30 |
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| hesco | thanks sputnik13, will do | 19:30 |
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| atpa8a | hello... | 19:36 |
| atpa8a | is it ok to "bind" everything to localhost? | 19:36 |
| atpa8a | all endpoints and some such?.. | 19:37 |
| atpa8a | when doing all-in-one that is | 19:37 |
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| jproulx | hesco pretty sure for the puppet stuff you have the correct URL, it's not "official" OpenStack so not on git.openstack, but it does share the review and ci infrastructure which is nice of them | 19:38 |
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| hesco | thanks, yes, that seemed to have worked: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87004/ | 19:39 |
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| hesco | thanks jproulx. | 19:39 |
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| atpa8a | how crucial it is to really have an that stuff from controller, network, compute1 in /etc/hosts? | 19:40 |
| jproulx | hesco there's a channel #puppet-openstack that may give you better answers | 19:40 |
| atpa8a | can i just use localhost? | 19:40 |
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| hesco | thanks jproulx, sputnik13 sent me there a few minutes ago and is working with me on that issue now | 19:41 |
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| jproulx | ah missed that, good luck then | 19:42 |
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| jasonv | Guys, I just built some new Compute nodes to add into my existing Havana install. When I spin up a new instance, it sits at "building" forever and nova-compute.log shows IncompatibleObjectVersion: Version 1.4 of InstanceInfoCache is not supported | 19:54 |
| jasonv | Here is a full paste of the log entry http://pastebin.com/anzCx7eF | 19:54 |
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| jasonv | I think I see the issues my controllers nodes were built a few months ago and have an older version of the nova packages .. seems that there is some incompatibility there | 20:00 |
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| sputnik13 | jasonv: you need to update your controller | 20:02 |
| jasonv | How safe is it to update? This is in a production stack | 20:03 |
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| sputnik13 | jasonv: I had the same issue when bringing up new Compute nodes a couple of months after bringing up the Controller and other Compute nodes | 20:03 |
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| sputnik13 | jasonv: there's always some amount of risk I think, but it went pretty smoothly for me | 20:03 |
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| sputnik13 | jasonv: depending on how long it's been since you've applied updates, you might have to reboot the hosts, so you should probably plan a down time | 20:04 |
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| sputnik13 | at least that's what I'd do... you make your own call for your own production environment ;-) | 20:04 |
| jasonv | Fair enough. Do you know if the updated controller packages are backwards compatible with the older compute packages? | 20:05 |
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| sputnik13 | jasonv: I would think they should be, but I made the plunge for everything together as I didn't want to deal with any corner cases | 20:05 |
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| sputnik13 | jasonv: for me it was either inconvenience my customers for 30 minutes in a controlled manner or deal with angry customers as they discover the corner cases individually | 20:07 |
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| sputnik13 | I wouldn't deign to tell anyone how they should run their environments, but that's what I did | 20:08 |
| sputnik13 | hmm, deign is the wrong term there, I mean I wouldn't *presume* | 20:08 |
| * sputnik13 needs to refresh his vocab :) | 20:08 | |
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| jasonv | Understood. | 20:10 |
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| jasonv | Does anyone know of a mirror that never updated? I need to get these compute nodes out the door and can't update the controllers right now | 20:19 |
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| jasonv | Specifically for Ubuntu 12.04 | 20:22 |
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| hesco | This is my first ever commit to this project. Is there anything further I need to do with this beyond being patient for the CI server to get around to testing my patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87004/ | 21:13 |
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