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MrCuriousanyone know anything about installing icehouse on the latest ubuntu?04:28
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MrCuriousi have come to the conclusion that ubuntu while it says it has icehouse, lacks any instalation information06:34
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iggyapt-get install openstack?06:39
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MrCuriousthe packages are there, but i dont believe it does the config magic06:44
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MrCuriousbeen looking at juju, but  it seems that it wants to install  it to machines OTHER than the juju host06:44
MrCuriouslooking like i will have to follow the openstack icehouse install  guide06:45
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iggyyeah, ubuntu is a distribution, not a configuration managment system06:47
MrCuriousmaybe devstack is worth a second look06:49
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sparky43786hey I just got some block storage working for the first time!06:59
MrCuriousnice!06:59
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sparky43786yeah.. boot from volume.. check.07:00
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sparky43786it's my first openstack running on debian jessie/icehouse07:02
sparky43786i've made four computers run one virtual one!07:02
iggylol, efficient use of resources07:02
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sparky43786controller, nfs, network, compute07:02
sparky43786= one mail cleaner07:02
MrCuriousall on one machine07:03
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sparky43786I did the nfs, but I think I'll do up the iscsi too07:04
sparky43786but first block storage07:05
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sparky43786and to add a little challenge to my first install, the network and compute nodes are ltsp nodes07:06
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overlayer_kiwihello folks, I'm trying to upgrade havana to icehouse, including neutron, after multiple issues solved which I intend to share through the documentation I now face the following problem launching nova-compute at my compute node:11:10
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overlayer_kiwi*starting nova-compute11:10
overlayer_kiwiNovaException: vif_type parameter must be present for this vif_driver implementation11:10
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madkoHi, when installing icehouse from packstack, the Member role seems to be missing, is it normal?12:59
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_cmd_the official xenserver compute-node integration is admittedly unsatisfactory (and flagged for update)... is there a better reference for configuring xenserver as a compute node? i *think* that i have all the xapi/plugins installed correctly, but i can't find detail on what needs to be done with regards to creating the paravirtualized domU virtual machine.13:36
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madkonova compute seems to crash when deleting an instance when its ovs ports don't exist14:03
madkois it normal?14:03
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madkois packstack fine to install openstack on multiple nodes? it doesn't seem to work14:05
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corntoegoblindid you configure an answer file?14:06
madkoyes14:06
corntoegoblinhow does it "not work"14:06
madkoMember role doesn't exist, mostly the launching instance from horizon is broken14:07
madkoseems ceilometer is ko too on compute nodes14:07
corntoegoblinhave you checked nova logs to see why the instances fail?14:07
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madkonova url point to 127.0.0.1 on compute node, for neutron.conf, not sure if normal14:07
madkoin nova log: Failed to close augeas aug_close: do_aug_close: you must call 'aug-init' first to initialize Augeas14:08
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madkolauching instance from command line seems to go further than from horizon14:09
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madkomy instance appears in virsh list, but in paused state14:10
corntoegoblinIm not really sure on that error, augeas is a part of  puppet. as for the url, depends on ur network topology14:11
madkothe error is exception.VirtualInterfaceCreateException14:11
corntoegoblinah, have u checked neutron/quantum logs?14:12
madkohttps://ask.openstack.org/en/question/26938/virtualinterfacecreateexception-virtual-interface-creation-failed/ I've just found this14:12
madkono error in neutron log on the compute node14:13
corntoegoblinneutron lives on network host14:13
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madkoTRACE neutron.notifiers.nova Unauthorized: The request you have made requires authentication. (HTTP 401)14:14
madkoshould I rerun packstack with -d ?14:15
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corntoegoblinsure, but if you dont know what to look for its a needle in a hay stack lol14:16
corntoegoblinhave you tried an all in one?14:16
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madkoall-in-one was working, I need a multi-node setup to try serious things14:19
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_cmd_this is the first time in a week i've seen anybody try to answer a question *grin*14:20
corntoegoblinbored sysadmin at work lol14:21
madkoare you using openstack for real ?14:21
corntoegoblinnot production but yes im messing with it.14:22
madkowith multiple nodes?14:22
corntoegoblinim struggling with multinodes also, but i have a networking issue14:22
_cmd_hehehe.... hopefully i can get some help on my xenserver compute node question when i get back from breakfast...14:22
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madkowe are struggling with openstack for years now, still nothing stable enough for production14:22
madkohome made django app to manage our clouds14:23
corntoegoblinyea i would trust just about any other virt platform right now over openstack. but then again, i've never gotten it to fully work14:24
madkosame here. And even if it works, I don't see how we can manage thousands of vm with Horizon14:25
corntoegoblinyup same here. seems like hooking into the api with your own software is the way to go14:26
madkoexactly14:26
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madkohave to go, bye and thanks for the help corntoegoblin14:41
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setuidAnyone have an xmind compatible OpenStack ecosystem mind map out there? The one on xmind.net is not downloadable.16:28
setuidI could start one from scratch, but I'd rather build on someone else's work and contribute back16:29
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Yannovitchhi there17:16
Yannovitchi get this question has been answered dozens of times17:17
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Yannovitchbut what is the easiest way to have a production environment all-in-one installation of OpenStack on a single node, single NIC machine (with Ubuntu if possible) ?17:19
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MrCuriousYannovitch: thats what i am doing17:21
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MrCuriousit was workable nicely with havanah17:21
MrCurioustrying icehouse now17:21
Yannovitchnot with icehouse ?17:21
Yannovitchok17:21
MrCuriousas you install, reccomend you take a dd snapshot of the partition between steps so you can easily roll back when things go wrong17:22
Yannovitchare you using devstack ?17:22
Yannovitchor rdo openstack ?17:22
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MrCuriousi think the hardest part with havanah was getting the bridge set right17:22
MrCurioushttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/keystone-install.html17:22
MrCuriousfollowing the guide17:22
MrCuriousdev stack will bring it up fast and let you play with it, but i think its not the solution if you want to make vm's and use it long  term17:23
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Yannovitchokay so you just followed all the steps of the install guide ?17:30
Yannovitch@MrCurious ?17:30
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MrCurious?17:33
MrCuriousfor havanah yeah. doing same now for icehouse17:33
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Yannovitchand what are the parts of the install guide where i have to do a special configuration for the single node all in one installation ? ( for bridged networking, …) ?17:34
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MrCuriousdont know yet.17:34
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MrCuriousnote: read the comments on all install pages. often they contain the fundamental clue, as in some cases th doc is in error17:35
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_cmd_the official xenserver compute-node integration is admittedly unsatisfactory (and flagged for update)... is there a better reference for configuring xenserver as a compute node? i *think* that i have all the xapi/plugins installed correctly, but i can't find detail on what needs to be done with regards to creating the paravirtualized domU virtual machine.17:50
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Yannovitch_cmd_ can you give more details ?17:56
_cmd_sure... gimme a sec17:59
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_cmd_first of all, here's one of the two pages with xenserver instructions: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/introduction-to-xen.html18:00
_cmd_this is the one that calls out the fact that it's outdated18:00
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_cmd_the bottom half of the page has the xapi / plugin install commands for xenserver post-install18:01
Yannovitchyup18:01
_cmd_there's also this with the xenserver install / post-install:  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer   https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/PostInstall18:02
_cmd_now.. both of these docs basically reference how to get xenserver itself ready to be integrated into openstack18:03
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_cmd_but my understanding is that the nova pieces need to run in a paravirtualized domU vm18:03
Yannovitchyes. it's been a looong time since there hasn't been any update on the xen documentations, neither a sync between the docs18:03
_cmd_most of the docs i've found reference just installing devstack and have it build the vm so it can be transferred to the "production" hypervisor18:04
Yannovitchwell, about nova in domU, it all depends about what u wanna do18:04
Yannovitchbut it's more or less that, yes18:04
_cmd_hehe... ok18:05
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Yannovitch( not related at all, but is _cmd_ related to "command" in Scandal tv show ?)18:05
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_cmd_not really.. it's my initials, though i've always found the double-relation to the windows cmd.exe somewhat amusing given my profession18:06
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Yannovitchactually, nova running on dom0 cause some problems with the Xen environment. they don't mix well together.18:06
_cmd_and i *do* reference it as "command" for that reason18:07
Yannovitchok ok18:07
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Yannovitchi gave up on Xen about a year ago. i wanted to run OpenStack on some machines where KVM was causing problems but i ended just changing those machines.18:08
Yannovitchit's too much of an hassle considering what you earn in advantages18:08
Yannovitch(sorry for my english, but i'm a non native speaker, french here ;))18:09
_cmd_i'm sorta having a cloudstack vs openstack dileimma at the moment..18:09
_cmd_hey, your english is better than my french...18:09
Yannovitchyeah, i had the same dilemna.18:09
Yannovitchit all depends what is your goal here.18:10
_cmd_i used to work for a pretty sizeable cloudstack shop... obviously standardized on xenserver with a a lot of legacy vmware18:10
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Yannovitchhaving "openstack" on my resume is important, and openstack is getting more and more support, as such, i keep working with openstack, but cloudstack have some big advantages too18:11
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_cmd_i'm really wanting to learn more openstack with an eye towards rolling it for some of my consulting clients18:11
_cmd_but that also includes the pros/cons of different hypervisors and what *their* goals are...18:11
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Yannovitchyup18:11
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_cmd_some are eyeing moving away from aws without having to make a lot of architectual changes, etc18:11
Yannovitchwhat ya mean ?18:12
Yannovitchfor me EC2 compatibility is important18:13
_cmd_just that there are obviously differnt features between the different hypervisor drivers and whatnot..18:13
_cmd_correct...18:13
Yannovitchand openstack looks like the best in the game (except maybe eucalyptus)18:13
_cmd_i have three difference virtualzation stacks in my lab...18:13
Yannovitchfor ec218:14
_cmd_all my "production" stuff is on vsphere, and that also runs my management vms for cloudstack and openstack18:14
Yannovitchcloudstack is supported by citrix, as such, if you want xen compatibility, cloudstack is the way to go18:14
_cmd_then i have hardware kvm and cloudstack hypervisors18:14
_cmd_it's obviously very easy to use xenserver w/ cloudstack (just as it's easy to use kvm w/ openstack), i'm just surprised at how the poor documentation is for openstack+xenserver given it's a "supported" hypervisor18:15
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_cmd_i may just fire up devstack to grab the vm... and then dig through the devstack scripts to figure out what it's actually doing18:16
Yannovitchyes18:17
Yannovitchthat's what i did ^^18:17
_cmd_*grin*18:17
Yannovitchyeaaaah i know18:17
Yannovitchwell kid, that's the difference between real world and marketing world18:17
_cmd_oh yeah...18:18
Yannovitch(kiddin about the kid uh ;))18:18
ekarlso-yeah, xenserver SUCKS atm in terms of docs18:18
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Yannovitchi mean, it's not like you were trying to use opennebula or openstack with lxc nested virtualization, should be easy normally, but guess nothin is really easy in this world ;)18:19
_cmd_you'd think somebody would have a good guide given there are some large openstack xcp/xen shops out there18:20
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Yannovitchwhich one have you in mind ?18:20
_cmd_amzon, for one18:20
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Yannovitchwell, amazon have it so modified it's not really xen anymore. and they are not using openstack18:21
_cmd_rackspace, as well18:21
_cmd_ah, right about amazon18:22
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hayon controller, auth.log is filled with entries  neutron : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/ ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/neutron-rootwrap /etc/neutron/rootwrap.conf ovs-vsctl --timeout=2 list-ports br-int ... it happens every 2 seconds, is it neccessary to run so often?18:57
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MrCuriousstep 3 done, taking a dd snapshot19:07
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MrCuriousthis page is weak... http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/install_clients.html19:13
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MrCuriouscould be more cut and paste friendly19:13
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MrCurioushttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/cli_openrc.html#override-variables  i theink nova image-ist is premature as at this point in the setup, nova is not configured19:49
MrCuriouscome to think of it its not installed19:49
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MrCuriouswhoops missed that step in step 219:54
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MrCuriousnope was wrong. nova gets installed in step 7.2.1 but it is referenced in 4.319:59
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MrCuriousbug reported ;)20:22
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MrCuriouswoo hoo, step 5 done21:07
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YannovitchMrCurious : You should create a blog article with all the steps summarized into it !23:14
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orzelhello. I'm dealing with openstack 2013.2.3. You agree that means "havana" version, right ? Is there an official place stating this ? It's not all clear. Not even on wp : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openstack23:17
Yannovitchhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Releases23:19
orzelYannovitch: ok, that was fast and very much what i'm looking for. Thanks a lot :-)23:19
Yannovitchso yeah, 2013.2.3 is havana23:19
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MrCuriousYannovitch: they are in the documentation23:39
MrCuriousi am putting bugs in when discovered.23:39
MrCuriousstep 6 done!23:39
Yannovitch:)23:39
MrCuriousand now i nit neutron networking... bane of my existence23:39
MrCuriousthink i will skip that step23:39
Yannovitchc'mon dude it's the most important step ^^23:40
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MrCuriousfor a single machine toy install?23:40
MrCuriousme thinks  NOT23:40
MrCuriousnova networking will work enough23:40
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Yannovitchi'm the kind of dude who likes to see the big solutions working even in little case23:41
Yannovitchthat's why i experiment with ceph on a single machine23:41
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Yannovitch(yup ME suicidal)23:41
MrCuriouswaiting on a DD backup of the install to my nas before going on23:42
MrCuriousso much less painful when you can roll back to the ppoint of messup and not have to redo the whole install23:42
_cmd_Yannovitch: agreed23:42
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Yannovitchagreed with suicidal or with big solutions little case ^^?23:43
corntoegoblinare u doing the dd live on the cli or do u boot a live cd?23:43
_cmd_the latter.. but the former is probably true, too23:43
_cmd_hahaha23:43
MrCuriousboot to a aux linux install, then  do the dd of the non active install23:44
MrCurioushave 2 llinux installs on machine...23:44
corntoegoblinwait nevermind i dont have access to storage from my dev network -_- damn net engys23:44
iggyuse ceph, then you don't need backups, just redeploy23:44
iggyerr chef23:44
_cmd_iggy: that was actually going to be my suggestion; chef, puppet, salt23:44
_cmd_i23:45
MrCuriouswas wondering what ceph was23:45
_cmd_i'm about *this close* to just installing everything at home w/ a cm solution23:45
_cmd_(just for the practice)23:45
iggyceph (not chef) is a storage system commonly used to host files and disk images for VMs23:45
_cmd_MrCurious: ceph is block storage:  https://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-openstack/23:46
MrCuriousi just found a page that said i can use NFS to host images for nova23:46
MrCuriousceph looks good, but overkill for a laptop only install. no need to beat up my ssd with replication23:47
iggyyou can use a lot of different things actually23:47
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iggybog standard NFS is probably the easiest (but least reliable)23:48
iggydefinitely workable for a test deployment on a laptop  ;)23:48
MrCuriouson a home network, inches from the NFS server?23:49
Yannovitchwell you can expose iscsi & nfs with zfs if you have a second machine, i used that before and it worked nice23:49
MrCuriousi have a pair of atom boxes single core that wont do kvm.  wonder if they would work as compute hosts using qemu virtualization23:49
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corntoegoblinsoftware qemu is horribbleeeeeeee23:52
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Yannovitchwell you can use them with Xen for single system all in one install … with a lot of headaches, just like _cmd_ ahahah23:52
_cmd_:p23:52
donothingloopwhat can i do when i get "ImportError: Class ml2 cannot be found" on the "openstack-db --update --sevice neutron" command?23:52
MrCuriousi had them provisioning  with ubuntu MAAS using pxe boot23:52
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YannovitchBy the way, MrCurious, I just went with a DevStack install that I modified afterwards, finally23:54
MrCuriousdo vm's persist across host boot?23:54
Yannovitchyup23:54
iggyqemu by itself doesn't do virtualization, it does emulation (a distinction that means about a 100x slow down)23:54
MrCuriousway to invalidate my day23:54
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