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copernicHi02:27
copernicknock knock02:28
tmshrm?02:28
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copernicpardon? hrm what?02:28
copernicI would like to ask a question please02:29
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tms...02:30
tmswhat's your question?02:30
copernicDear all, how to get blobs using ranges02:30
tms?02:30
copernicmore exactly02:30
copernichttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/23832791/how-to-get-a-multi-part-object-from-openstack-swift-using-jclouds02:31
copernicswiftApi = ContextBuilder.newBuilder(provider)               .endpoint("....")               .credentials(identity, credentials)               .modules(modules)               .buildApi(SwiftApi.class);      final ObjectApi objectApi =                 swiftApi.objectApiInRegionForContainer(REGION, CONTAINER);      GetOptions getOptions =                       GetOptions.Builder.range(0,10).range(100, 200);      S02:31
copernicoh02:31
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notmynamecopernic: paste.openstack.org may be better for you02:31
copernicthe question is about GetOptions.Builder.range(0,10).range(100, 200);02:31
tms^^02:31
copernicthanks02:31
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copernichttp://paste.openstack.org/show/81259/02:32
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notmynamecopernic: rfc2616 states that if you send multiple byte ranges, then you'll get back a multipart mime response02:34
notmynamecopernic: that's what you're seeing02:34
copernicperfect02:34
copernicI agree BUT02:35
copernicI assumed that jclouds will do the parsing02:35
notmynamecopernic: that sounds like something you may need to take up with jclouds02:35
copernicat least this is what I see in jcloud blob storage unit tests02:35
notmynameperhaps they should do the parsing02:35
copernicagreed02:36
copernicwell can I ask about server side at least02:36
notmynamebut on the other hand, it looks like it's giving you what the server responded with. so that seems sane too02:36
notmynameI can answer about the server-side :-)02:36
copernicgreat02:36
copernichow effective is this random access using ranges02:37
copernicto be more exact02:37
copernicimaging blobs of 4 - 8 MB02:37
copernicmade of 32KB chunks02:37
notmynameok02:37
copernicand I am storing very large amount of data02:38
coperniclets say > 400 TB02:38
copernicthe idea is02:38
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copernicin order not to overstream, I assume that most of the time02:39
copernicI will use this range API to slice blobs as I need02:39
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copernicyes I understand the overhead of header string in multi part chunk02:39
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copernicand if I need lets say more than 75% of the blob I will fetch it as is02:40
copernicbut in the rest of the cases02:40
Sam-I-Amhi notmyname02:40
notmynameSam-I-Am: good evening02:40
copernichow fast / effective is the range based access ?02:41
Sam-I-Amnotmyname: hows things?02:41
notmynamecopernic: the overhead of a range request in a single 8MB object in swift should not be noticeable. essentially it's a seek() and that overhead will be much less than any network jitter you have02:42
notmynameSam-I-Am: meh. this week has had it's ups and downs02:42
Sam-I-Amsounds like a week!02:42
notmynameSam-I-Am: work's been great! family has been great. but on monday I fell off my bike on the way home and broke my collar bone02:43
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copernicthanks02:43
Sam-I-Amnotmyname: yuck02:44
Sam-I-Amits a bad design... especially for us cyclists02:44
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notmynamecopernic: so why do the range requests? will you be gettign the chunks out of order?02:44
Sam-I-Amneed human 2.002:44
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notmynamecopernic: I should say "stream" instead of chunks, actually02:44
copernicwhen I say chunk I mean 32kb part of 8 mb blob02:45
copernicwhen I read blob by slicing it - I do that since blob contains chunk (segment) that I need02:45
notmynamecopernic: ya, I understand02:45
copernicbut if on the server side you load every blob into memory02:46
copernicthen it might be a bad idea02:46
copernicand if blob == file02:46
copernicwhen all blobs will be always cold from file system cache perspective02:46
notmynamecopernic: swift does not spool stuff to memory02:46
notmynamecopernic: right02:46
copernicgreat, so I assume that you vectorized io of some kind02:47
notmynamecopernic: so there is a setting that will let you keep your 8MB objects in page cache, if necessary02:47
copernicand no loading into memory02:47
copernicand you do have problem of cold cache02:47
copernicdue to the size of the storage that I plan all the blob accesses will be cold02:47
copernicnotmyname -- sorry I know I have to read this rfc 2616, but do you know if02:49
copernicserver sends stream of multi part elements without encoding02:50
copernic?02:50
notmynamewhat do you mean by encoding?02:50
notmynamethe answer, I believe, is no02:50
copernici.e. I am asking if I shall prepare for surprise as 64b encoding02:50
copernicgood02:50
notmynamecopernic: no. swift will send you back the bytes you sent it02:50
copernicso the plan is I am going to parse the input stream till I get to my slice and it shall work \02:51
copernicgreat02:51
notmynamecopernic: may I ask what your use case is? sounds like you're building something interesting02:51
notmynameand I'm always looking to see how people are using swift02:51
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copernicwrite me directly - I will tell you enough details without being fired from my work :)02:52
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cydergothAnyone about? Our stack just crashed hard04:03
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cydergothNeutron just blew up badly and a lot of stuff we had working is now suddenly failing all over the place, especially floating ips which were working fine now aren't, except some which we disassociate and reassociate then they might come back to life but not all do04:08
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copernicFYI:04:11
copernichttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/23832791/how-to-get-a-multi-part-object-from-openstack-swift-using-jclouds04:11
copernichttps://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/JCLOUDS-57504:11
copernicthe bug was opened a few minutes ago.04:11
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cydergothHey copernic - do you know anything about neutron?04:12
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MadkissDo I need the SECURITYGROUPS entry inside the OVS configuration on the neutron server as well?06:04
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dgbaleyHey. I'm using Icehouse/Neutron/ml2/openvswitch. I have a smaller setup with my external network (for floating public IPs) connected to each compute node, so I don't think I need a network node, but I'm not sure which neutron services should run on my single controller, and which can be replicated to all compute nodes.07:47
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KaZeRi have a really weird issue. My ubuntu instances can't get an ip address from dhcp. my Gentoo instances, in the same tenant and on the same compute node can18:12
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KaZeRhere's the tcpump ether host of my ubuntu instance, from the compute node : http://bpaste.net/show/NQz5qrXjvzpbtZXHYFF5/18:13
eskois there an estimate of how many developers are working on the openstack project?18:13
KaZeResko,  you can have a look at the contributors on github18:15
KaZeRtho there's more people than that working on it ( like bug managers, docs, ...)18:15
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eskoyeah KaZeR but i was under the impression that it was only possible to see # contributors for each project and not as a whole18:23
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KaZeRpossible indeed18:24
eskocorrect me if im wrong :) i'm trying to come up with some statistics for my cloud comparison18:24
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eskoit amazes me that the only hardware req specs available in the openstack manual is the one for the object storage19:09
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MrCuriousanyone tried coreos on openstack?19:31
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madornanyone have any experience with pxe booting in OpenStack?19:43
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sigmavirus24jogo: /wc19:54
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jazzsunnI having a hard time wrapping my head around openstack. I'm a route switch network person, and i have used vmware in production networks. I can write easy perl scripts, but not a developer. Is there a openstack for dummies link I could get started with?23:26
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fivethreeoIf i get the error NovaException: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed, what could be wrong? :)23:36
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