Thursday, 2014-07-03

dtrainorWhat kind of devices are my vnet interfaces?00:00
dtrainorare they tap devices?00:00
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dtrainorah, looks like a tap device (deduced form the "Networking in Too Much Detail" doc).  Why's it named vnet, then?  Why not call it tap?00:03
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kypeAny developers here?01:12
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Hell_Lapdtrainor: vnet comes from libvirt IIRC, just to be different to other tap devices you may have01:14
dtrainorah ok thanks01:14
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skullonei finally got my openstack POC setup, controller and compute nodes, with my existing VLANs01:28
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skulloneits a beast to get configured, but im a lot more familiar with it01:28
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dtrainorcool01:31
skullonelearning OVS was the main part01:32
skullonethe rest more or less came together easily01:32
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dtrainorthat's what i'm stuck on.01:36
dtrainorbeen going over some training material for it all day01:37
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skullonethe OVS terminology, with how openstack represents and links the network names was confusing01:40
skullonemultiple layers of absraction :o01:41
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Hell_Laphehe, adding in the fun of namespaces is a good trick too :)01:42
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kypeWhich service handles flavor extra specs? n-api?02:19
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RubanGood morning guys02:39
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alexovehello all, anyone there?03:54
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utfans05A few ppl. What's up.03:54
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alexoveHello, I installed OpenStack using rdo-packstack :-)03:55
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alexoveI can create VM's but I don't know how to attach these vm's to my network03:55
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alexovewow...04:01
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raiesfifieldt: hi04:49
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raieshi anyone04:51
hugokuoyoyoyo04:51
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raiesI am installing openstack icehouse on ubuntu 14.04 but when I tried this "sudo add-apt-repository cloud-archive:icehouse" error comes cloud-archive only supported on precise04:52
raiescan someone please tell what does it mean04:52
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fifieldtraies, if you read the documentation it tells you that this step is not necessary for 14.0404:55
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fifieldt :)04:55
fifieldtthe icehouse packages are in the main repo for 14.0404:55
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fifieldtso just continue with your isntallation04:55
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kryptohi when providion instance from glance who rename interface by removing old udev rules,is it done by cloud-init05:00
raiesfifieldt: :) thanks it meant there is no need to retrieve this package :)05:01
kryptoprovision*05:01
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fifieldtyou got it raies :)05:03
fifieldtgood luck with the install :)05:03
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raiesfifieldt: thanks :)05:03
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kviiriAre there any users of diskimage-builder here?07:19
kviiriI'd like some tutoring :)07:20
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kypeHello08:47
kypeIf booting a fedora image, it constantly asks for password until the 8th or 9th try then it logins without a password08:48
kypewhat does that mean?08:48
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jokke_kype: that sounds like your fedora image is badly broken08:56
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kypejokke_: Same thing happens with fedora images im downloading off the net08:59
kypeeven when i ssh -i <pubkey.pub> host, it asks for password08:59
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raieshi09:34
raiesfifieldt: hi09:34
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thebloggucan someone help me remove some volumes stuck on deleting?09:36
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raiesabramley: hi09:42
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raieshi anybody09:48
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raiesadam_g: hi09:58
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jpic_hi all, question about devstack and installation in general: why use distro packages instead of relying on pip, the awesome python package manager ?11:02
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jpic_kybe: check its logs, maybe cloud init fails at preparing something11:05
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dsmith_has anyone ever deployed multiple layer3 agents within an icehouse cluster using the ovs agent beffore12:41
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dsmith_anyone at all12:42
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Sondihello, know anybody a channel for problems with devstack?12:56
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Sondiis anybody knowing a channel for probles with devstack?12:59
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dsmith_Has anyone successfully setup multiple l3 agents in icehouse. Each l3 agent is handling floating ip address ranges for seperate subnets13:06
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thebloggucan someone please help me with my cinder volumes? i've got some volumes stuck in creating and deleting and now, if I create one i get an error. iscsi fails to start with messages along the lines of: iscsiadm: Could not login to [iface: default, target: iqn.2010-10.org.openstack:volume-61dbae5b-9be0-432a-b216-c1e9ae28554b, portal: 10.10.4.6,3260]13:42
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LiveOneHELLO!!!13:49
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LiveOneany openstack pros here for general newbie questions13:49
LiveOne:D13:49
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mandiraI am getting an error while running stack.sh  "worlddump.py: error: argument -d/--dir: expected one argument"13:50
mandiracan anyone help me on  this13:50
LiveOnenot sure if anyone is here at all13:51
LiveOnebunch of lurkers13:51
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mandira I am getting an error while running stack.sh   "worlddump.py: error: argument -d/--dir: expected one argument"??13:52
regebroHmm. I've installed openstack (most of it) but I don't seem to have any hypervisors.13:52
LiveOneu have to add them13:52
regebroDo I need to add them specifically? Did I miss a step in the installation?13:52
LiveOneLVM13:52
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LiveOnehttps://www.kernel.org/13:53
regebroLiveOne: Aha, so I need to install LVM, is that what you mean?13:53
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LiveOneim a newbie but from what i read yes13:53
LiveOnecause there are many type of VM13:53
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regebroLiveOne: Sure, but as I understand it libvirt / kvm should work.13:54
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regebroHm. It might be that migh kvm is messed up somehow.13:56
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radezannegentle: ping, when you upload files to the trystack website do you just do them ad-hoc one by one or do you use something that integrates with git?14:05
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LiveOneHello QUESTION time`14:10
LiveOne:) anyone14:10
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LiveOneOpenstack can replace Cpanel as a IAAS for a WEB/APP Hosting co.?14:10
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MilesDenverLiveOne: cpanel does a lot of stuff.14:15
LiveOneyes14:15
MilesDenverLiveOne: have you installed OpenStack yet?  I'd build, at least a devstack and then compare.14:15
LiveOnecpanel was what i was going to use14:15
LiveOneright14:16
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MilesDenverLiveOne: Cpanel does not build virtual machines, does it?  It just carves out a virtual web hosting space with apache, right?14:16
LiveOnethats what i thought14:17
LiveOnei want to use VM's14:17
LiveOneapp hosting14:17
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LiveOnecpanel seems might have a addon or something to work with openstack14:18
LiveOnereally i wanted to avoid CPanel14:18
LiveOnebut maybe i need both and i dont know it14:18
MilesDenverLiveOne: So build a stack and take a look.  Without understanding your full business plan I cannot offer much advice.14:18
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MilesDenverLiveOne: But we will be here for you.14:18
LiveOneyes14:19
LiveOnewill do14:19
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jehbYou might be interested in a PaaS solution, potentially on top of OpenStack, depending on exactly what you're looking to do.14:19
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LiveOneso simply put14:19
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LiveOnei want to deploy and host many apps and sites14:19
LiveOneas a IAAS provider14:20
LiveOneso....14:20
LiveOnei need scalability, speed, and monitoring for billing to debugging etc14:20
regebroYay!14:20
LiveOnewhat ive seen in the tutorial videos of openstack14:21
regebroLiveOne: I found the problem. The permissions on /usr/lib/libvirt/images was such that nova couldn't read them.14:21
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LiveOneNice!14:21
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LiveOneare u running on one manchine or virtual14:22
LiveOne314:22
thebloggui've got a volume stuck in error_deleting and the logs show an exception thrown with the message: VolumeBackendAPIException: Bad or unexpected response from the storage volume backend API: Volume device file path /dev/mapper/cinder--volumes-volume--6f2502c7--7055--4545--b1b8--1f76ff7974df does not exist.14:22
thebloggucan someone help me?14:22
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regebroOK, I got an instance up and running, but I suspect something is still misconfigured. The console can't connect.14:25
regebroLiveOne: I'm running this on a spare Ubuntu Machine I had.14:25
LiveOneahhh nice14:25
LiveOneexciting14:26
regebroI had too much problem running it in VirtualBox.14:26
LiveOnei cant wait to put up my test stack!14:26
LiveOnei just got a new server fresh like a daisty with ubuntu waiting for me14:26
LiveOneim just trying to find out what the deal is14:26
LiveOne:P14:26
regebroCool. It took a day+ a bit.14:26
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LiveOneyeah im sure14:26
LiveOnethats normal for a new SW14:27
LiveOnekeep me informed cause im about to go through this14:27
LiveOneany advise?14:27
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LiveOneur already installed14:27
LiveOneso14:27
LiveOneWHYZZ IT TAKE SO LONG trololl14:27
regebroLiveOne: Yeah, don't install neutron networking. Go with the old deprecated nova.14:28
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LiveOneNOVA14:48
LiveOneit is14:48
LiveOnecompute!!14:48
MilesDenverLiveOne: nova-network14:49
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LiveOne:)14:49
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LiveOnehey regebro keep in touch maybe u can set my server :p14:50
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LiveOnenow that ur entering novice/pro14:50
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LiveOnenova network check14:50
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LiveOnenova compute15:01
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DiplomatGuys what do you suggest.. few big servers or many smaller servers as compute nodes ?15:11
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MilesDenverDiplomat: That's a great question.  I use smaller servers that are reclaimed from being old VMWare/ESX servers15:14
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MilesDenver196GB of RAM15:14
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DiplomatHmm15:21
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DiplomatOne guy just PM-ed me spanish porn..15:21
DiplomatFrom this channel..15:21
DiplomatBut yea..15:21
jehbDiplomat: I got the same thing earlier.15:21
DiplomatI'm thinking right now too.. right now I have smaller servers, but I'm thinking about upgrading to 24 core servers15:21
MilesDenverMy spanish porn was actually a goldfish15:21
Diplomat(I need more CPU)15:22
DiplomatAh.. I just assumed it was porn :D15:22
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MilesDenverDiplomat: I have found that my bottleneck is disk i/o15:22
DiplomatI guess it might yes15:22
Diplomathaha15:22
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DiplomatI was just writing about it15:22
DiplomatThat it might be the issue15:22
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Sam-I-AmDiplomat: hey hows things15:26
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DiplomatHey man15:27
DiplomatDoing good :P15:27
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Sam-I-Amcool15:27
Sam-I-Amget your openstack stuff running?15:28
Diplomathehe, yes I did, I have been learning alot and going cool stuff.. right now I'm working on setting up CDN system15:28
Diplomatand you? how's the documentation ?15:28
Sam-I-Ampretty good15:28
Sam-I-Amtrying to do a lot of structural improvements to the install guide during the 'off season'15:29
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Sam-I-Amsoon we'll see packages for juno which means testing those issues15:29
DiplomatAh cool15:29
DiplomatI'm wondering right now, I'm trying to resize (add more ram) my instance15:29
Diplomatbut for some reason it doesnt resize15:29
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Sam-I-Ami think you have to image the instance, create a larger flavor, then de-reploy15:30
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DiplomatI guess so yeah..15:31
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MilesDenverDiplomat: I thnk Sam-I-Am may be on to something.  I've had flavors and images be unhappy.  Either increasing the size or removing some of the explicit sizes… seems like I set ephemeral disk to 0 and maybe swap disk too.15:35
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Sam-I-Ami think swap on instances is generally a bad idea15:36
QlawyMilesDenver: ephemeral disk is additional disk15:36
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MilesDenverQlawy: I think the RHEL 6.x image I download off the RHN site had issues with flavors that specified either ephemeral or swap size.  I cannot remember which one now.15:37
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DiplomatI set swap smaller than it was and ephemeral disk to 015:40
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regebrowow. Using non-US keyboards with the novnc console was a freqkish experience.15:45
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QlawyMilesDenver: we have custom flavors for all our images15:47
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MilesDenverregbro: I think nova.conf defaults to vnc_keymap = en-us15:47
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MilesDenveryou may want to change that.15:47
QlawyMilesDenver: and we have 0 ehepemeral and 10, 20, 40, 80 ... root disk15:48
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MilesDenverqlawy: That makes sense.  I have so may images that it's a bit tough.  8 for windows and 8 for *nix15:49
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DiplomatMilesDenver, you made those images yourself ?15:55
DiplomatI'm looking for Windows, Ubuntu and CentOS images too15:55
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DiplomatI have been procrastinating it for too long lol15:56
MilesDenverDiplomat: all but the latest tUbuntu14.04 and RHEL6.5.  I modified those to point to my my puppetmaster,15:56
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DiplomatHmm.. okay do you know are there any  places where I can buy/download them?15:57
DiplomatI should get myself an Ubuntu machine :/ I'm on Windows and it's pretty funky to build those images15:57
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MilesDenverDiplomat:  Just Ubuntu 14.04 is bombdigity and available, I think a a raw image.  (google)  RHEL was available from the RHN site, but needed modification (guestfish) before uploading it.   SUSE has their studio that can build all of their images.15:58
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MilesDenverhahaha… windows… well…. there is a eval image - http://www.cloudbase.it/ws2012r2/15:59
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DiplomatI hate 2012 new design and 8's design :/16:00
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DiplomatIt's ugly as hell.. 7 was/is the best looking Windows ever16:00
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MilesDenverDiplomat: I'm not a fan of the changes. but I don't really use Windows, just maintain the images for others ;)16:01
DiplomatHmm not even for your home/work pc/laptop ?16:01
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MilesDenverDiplomat: My company is 100% Mac.  We use windows in the testing and Dev labs16:02
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Diplomathmm16:02
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DiplomatI once mentioned that I used Visual Studio and Windows in one IRC channel and I got my ass handed to me on a paper plate16:03
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mnaseryou what?????16:03
DiplomatSo, now I'm trying to not say that I use Windows when I'm talking in programming/hosting/server channels :D16:03
mnaser /kick Diplomat16:03
DiplomatSee, MilesDenver :D16:03
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DiplomatIt ain't easy being C# programmer :/16:04
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Diplomatoh MilesDenver, make sure you don't mention that you use PHP (if you use it), it's even worse16:05
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MilesDenverDiplomat: Ruby?16:05
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DiplomatNot sure about ruby16:05
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Diplomat@mnaser: I have Android phone and tablet :) it counts too16:07
mnasermacbooks and iphones16:07
Diplomat:(16:07
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DiplomatI like Mac's monitor :) maybe it helps16:07
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giorgiodinapolii have my first icehouse running !!!!!16:11
giorgiodinapoliJIHAAAA16:11
giorgiodinapoli:D16:11
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mnasergrats giorgiodinapoli16:12
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giorgiodinapolibut debian iso cannot be booted by default as i can see now16:36
giorgiodinapolithe problem is the harddisk driver16:37
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Sam-I-Amgiorgiodinapoli: you should be using cloud-friendly images16:37
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Sondican someone explain me the difference in devstack between the PUBLIC_INTERFACE and FLAT_INTERFACE?16:38
giorgiodinapoliSam-I-Am, i could not find a cloud friendly debian image :(16:38
Sam-I-Amgiorgiodinapoli: https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud16:39
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giorgiodinapoliSam-I-Am, that means, i have to create it by my own, correct?16:45
giorgiodinapoliSam-I-Am, if we need a windows system, what i dont think we will need, how can this be made ready for OS16:45
Sam-I-Amhas to be one somewhere...16:45
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Sam-I-Amthere are windows cloud building tools too16:45
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giorgiodinapoliwow nice:D16:46
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giorgiodinapoliSam-I-Am, but one more question plz, this is a repository. how can this be used to create the cloud image16:47
Sam-I-Amyou install regular debian somewhere, configure it as you wish, run the cloud building tools and then upload that image to the image service16:48
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giorgiodinapoliaha okay, thanks !16:49
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jpic_hi all, question about devstack and installation in general: why use distro packages instead of relying on pip, the awesome python package manager ?17:10
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LiveOnei would say because devstack will set up all yr defaults, services, etc17:25
LiveOne   seems easier17:26
LiveOnetested installation scripts17:26
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Sam-I-Amdevstack is just for testing17:32
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skylerShould I use https or http for my keystone_authtoken?17:44
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dtrainorskyler, you can use either I suppose?  Just be mindful that you'll need to have Keystone accept https and you'd likely want to have other components use https as well18:26
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dtrainorpuumva link spams via /msg , nice18:26
Sam-I-Amyeah :/18:26
Sam-I-Amskyler: if you're deploying your first PoC, sticking with http is the easiest18:26
Sam-I-Amone less layer to deal with18:27
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skylerThanks dtrainor and Sam-I-Am! I will stick with http for now then.18:29
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technilis "virNetSocketReadWire:xxxx : End of file while reading data: Input/output error" indicitive of a libvirt<->neutron misconfig (icehouse)18:44
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Sam-I-Amthats an odd one18:46
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technil@Sam-I-Am yes, we are using ceph firefly 0.80 and rbd for glance and cinder. so block storage os over the net too.18:48
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dtrainorthis points to apparmor, if it helps https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/6629/havana-cannot-spawn-instance/18:48
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technil@dtrainor we have added more directories (/tmp /var/tmp /etc/ceph) to the apparmor profile, which fixed other errors.. but still instances error out.18:53
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dtrainorrebooting the fileserver/router/gateway, back in a few18:54
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technil@dtrainor @Sam-I-Am Thanks, doesn't appear to be anything obvious, interestingly on the nova node I can unpause the eternally spawning instance via virsh18:57
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techniland it runs?!18:58
dtrainordoes a tun or tap device disappear or anything?18:58
dtrainor(waiting for updates)18:58
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technil@dtrainor yes, a tap19:01
technilappears in dmesg, and19:01
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technilenters a forwarding state, then about 5 min later is is disabled19:02
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technil@dtrainor exactly 5 min every time between the tap entering promiscuous mode and it being disabled.19:04
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dtrainorhmm, i don't have 'ip netns' on my desktop, says object is unknown.  what gives?19:04
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dtrainorinteresting technil19:04
dtrainoranything in neutron logs?19:04
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technil@dtrainor I'm getting "failed to notify nova on events" errors at the same interval19:10
techniltime to look at that19:10
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dtrainordoesn't nova listen on/send to the qpid bus or rabbitmq?19:11
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Sam-I-Amyes19:12
Sam-I-Amtechnil: sounds like neutron isn't talking to nova19:12
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Sam-I-Amin icehouse, it has to notify nova that it has finished building out the networking19:12
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dtrainorah, so that 5m is likely a tunable timeout?19:13
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dtrainorso in my pre-assembled labs I have an netns module as part of ip, i think.  on a vanilla rhel6.5 install i don't have netns support.  rhel6 uses 2.6.32 so the kernel supports it, but I still don't seem to be able to use a netns19:14
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technil@dtrainor @Sam-I-Am Thanks!  i will dig into that.19:15
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Sam-I-Ami thought the rhel 6.5 kernel included namespaces19:15
Sam-I-Am6.4 did not19:15
dtrainorit does19:15
dtrainoraccording to the release notes19:15
dtrainortechnil, let us know what the score is when you get back19:16
dtrainormight be worth knowing19:16
technil@dtrainor no problem, I will be happy to share a solution when I find one19:17
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dtrainorthanks.19:23
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mongo2am I correctly assuming that the python keystone client will never support v3 and I should migrate to the openstack pthyon client?19:59
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andi_hello. I used devstack to setup a controller node running nova-api, neutron services, glance etc... now I started a second node as compute node. I have started it up, but the n-cpu process seems to have trouble connecting to AMQP on the controller node... I get stuff like this: " Unable to connect to AMQP server on {'username': '', 'host': '192.168.40.4:5672', 'password': ''}"20:05
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andi_Any idea how to debug?20:05
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skylerHow long does it take to set up your first OpenStack setup? Following the install guide that is, not devstack. More specifically, how long did it take you to set it up the first time?20:08
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e-vad_skyler: ... months20:16
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e-vad_but, that was back when it was really hard20:16
andi_hello20:17
e-vad_also, there is some manner of spam bot here... kikoop or so20:17
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andi_i wonder if i could get a bit of help debugging a problem with accessing amqp from my compute node?20:17
skylere-vad, yes, the current install guide is pretty good. Still plenty of pits to fall in though.20:17
internet_cakeWhen I make a Compute API 2.0 request to create a server, I get an overlimit error even though nova quota-show says that the user has 12 cores available on the tenant: "Quota exceeded for cores,instances,ram: Requested 2, but already used 0 of 0 cores"20:17
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skylerWhat does the shared network option do in Neutron? Can you only have a single vm in a non-shared network?20:38
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dtrainorskyler, agreed re: pits21:30
dtrainorIt's pretty much all I've been working on the past 6-7 weeks.21:30
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skylerdtrainor, what sort of set up are you trying to create?21:31
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dtrainorI have a pair of i7 systems w/64G RAM at home that are part of my lab as compute notes, and running a controller and network node in VMs on a different piece of hardware.  I'm just trying to use it for home stuff for now.21:32
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dtrainorI'll be starting a 3-4mo project on it in a few weeks21:33
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skylerNice. How long did it take for you to get a basic glance/neutron/nova/keystone/horizon set up working?21:34
dtrainoroh, i break them and redo them daily21:35
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dtrainornova compute is pretty easy21:35
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dtrainori have dozens of snapshots of controller and network nodes though, i spend most of the time hacking on neutron21:35
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dtrainorI've found that there's a whole lot of docu out there that says "do this", but very little of it explains exactly why that happens or has much technical depth about the particular task, that bugs me.21:37
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skylerI agree, though just the concise "do this" set up documentation is the size of a book, so I see why they don't go into much depth there. I think there is a lot of hands on exploring to do to figure out how much of the system works.21:38
jidarugh tell me about it21:38
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jidarI tear down my stuff using foreman and a pair of nodes on my laptop all the time21:39
jidarstill takes forever to run through the installs21:39
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dtrainorand that's why i burn down and rebuild everything i've got almost daily to learn the ins and outs21:39
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dtrainorit does, that's why i did snapshots though.  i'm not using foreman or staypuft21:40
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jidarI'm just too lazy to manage snapshots21:46
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skulloneanyone know if OVS distributed virtual router will make it into the next stable release?21:58
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madornskullone: is that something idfferent than a regular OVS virtual router?22:01
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skullonei believe so, i think it will be distributed to all the hypervisors, instead of the l3 agent on the network node22:03
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madornskullone: interesting, im not familiar22:03
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skullonehttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Distributed_Router_for_OVS22:05
bilco105madorn: yeah, it's using vrrp22:06
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madorni see22:06
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bilco105skullone: I was under the impression it was multiple network nodes using VRRP for the gateway IP22:06
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skullonebilco105: could be, but i thought you could do that already?22:10
skullonethe way i read this, is that an OVS instance on the hypervisor can make all relevant layer3 decisions without going to the network node at all now22:11
bilco105I'm thinking about neutron HA, which is different22:11
bilco105neutron l3 HA I should say22:11
skullonesimilar to distributed layer3 on modern top of rack switches, where you have a full copy of the forwarding table on each switch/hypervisor22:11
bilco105yeah, a transport network22:11
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bilco105https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/L3_High_Availability_VRRP is what I was thinking of22:12
skullonei think DVR takes it to the next level22:12
skullonepast 1122:12
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skullonesounds like the goal is to do firewalling on each hypervisor too, so no more network node at all, except metadata and dhcp22:13
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Hell_Lapgah, why does nova use neutron_admin_tenant_name, and neutron use nova_admin_tenant_id :P23:15
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Hell_Lapahh, no tenant_name in novaclient23:25
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dtrainorso according to the rhel65 release notes I should have netns support.  How come my ip command doesn't have it?  I get "Object "netns" is unknown"23:39
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Sam-I-Amwhich kernel?23:39
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dtrainor2.6.32-431.20.3.el6.x86_6423:40
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dtrainorShould be there according to https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html-single/6.5_Release_Notes/23:40
dtrainorhmmm looks like the kernel may support it but the version of iproute does not23:41
dtrainorlet me compare iproute between labs23:41
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Sam-I-Amthere is that problem23:42
Sam-I-Amdid you install the epel repo?23:42
dtrainorah, i have an iproute version of 2.6.32-130 on the lab that works and a 2.6.32-32 on the lab that does not.  i bet there's a newer iproute distributed with rdo or in the osp4 rhel channel23:43
Sam-I-Amand then yum upgrade?23:43
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dtrainornope, was trying to keep it redhat clean.23:43
Sam-I-Amno can do23:43
Sam-I-Amneed epel or whatever it is23:43
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Sam-I-Amthe rhel derivatives seem to come a little better stocked23:43
dtrainori beeet it's in rhel-6-server-openstack-4.023:43
dtrainoryea23:43
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dtrainorbrb searching ~400 repos....23:46
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dtrainoryep, that's it.  newer iproute distributed in the ost4 repo23:54
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