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| mux | bobbytek3: hmm, first I've heard of it. seems like something that would be useful, but I'll be honest, I'm having a really hard time coming up with a practical example of that usefulness. | 00:01 |
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| bobbytek3 | mux: Any need for workflow management? | 00:01 |
| bobbytek3 | Something like Oozie | 00:01 |
| bobbytek3 | Rundeck, etc.? | 00:02 |
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| bobbytek3 | Dag execution with opportunities for parallelism? | 00:02 |
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| bobbytek3 | Need to spin up instances on demand, execute, then shutdown, handle error conditions and email? | 00:02 |
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| bobbytek3 | Like the idea of BPEL, but hate its complexity and tendency of vendor lock-in? | 00:03 |
| bobbytek3 | That's where I"m coming from at least | 00:03 |
| mux | bobbytek3: handled by the application internally to the vms usually, and spinning up instances on demand is demand-based, not time-based | 00:03 |
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| mux | bobbytek3: I haven't come across much cloud-native design that is time-based | 00:04 |
| bobbytek3 | mux: Well ephemeral clusters are very common for certain types of workflows | 00:04 |
| mux | that being said, it's interesting | 00:04 |
| bobbytek3 | Just look at AWS's EMR for example | 00:04 |
| mux | how would cross-cloud apps work? | 00:04 |
| mux | agents on each vm? | 00:04 |
| bobbytek3 | mux: Also consider Amazon's SimpleWorkflowService | 00:04 |
| bobbytek3 | That's basically what Mistral is trying to achieve | 00:05 |
| bobbytek3 | mux: Cross cloud? | 00:05 |
| bobbytek3 | My question about portability was aimed at a particular cloud | 00:05 |
| mux | if it's agent-based, why not use chef/puppet/ansible/cfengine/salt? | 00:05 |
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| bobbytek3 | But being able to take the metadata (workbooks in this case) and apply them on other clouds | 00:05 |
| bobbytek3 | mux: Orchestration is a very different use case than CM | 00:06 |
| mux | ok, why not use heat/rightscale/scalr/etc? | 00:06 |
| bobbytek3 | CM is about getting machines into a desired state | 00:06 |
| bobbytek3 | mux: Well, heat is slated to use Mistral | 00:06 |
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| bobbytek3 | Not sure about the others | 00:06 |
| mux | fwiw I am not arguing with you in an attempt to prove myself "right" about anything, just trying to understand | 00:06 |
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| bobbytek3 | mux: Same! | 00:07 |
| bobbytek3 | :) | 00:07 |
| bobbytek3 | To be honest, I don't know :) | 00:07 |
| mux | hmm, interesting re: heat | 00:07 |
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| bobbytek3 | mux: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral/Cloud_Environment_Deployment_details | 00:08 |
| bobbytek3 | Not sure if that is a plan or a vision | 00:08 |
| mux | really tho, it seems like it's trying to abstract something that doesn't really need abstraction | 00:08 |
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| bobbytek3 | mux: People just want to execute a DAG in a reliable manner | 00:08 |
| mux | if the cronjobs on a machine are configured by config management, and the clocks are sync'd by... well, common sense | 00:08 |
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| bobbytek3 | And for it to be expressible, readable and maintainable | 00:09 |
| mux | why not just setup the cronjobs in your CM and deploy your job out that way? guaranteed parallel execution then | 00:09 |
| bobbytek3 | Because you need "if this then that" type logic | 00:09 |
| bobbytek3 | And parallelism | 00:10 |
| bobbytek3 | And cloudisms :) | 00:10 |
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| mux | but... that's built into cron. :) it's reinventing a wheel, and I'm trying to see the ways the new wheel is better... | 00:10 |
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| mux | I have no problem with new wheels, I just need them to be better than the old ones | 00:10 |
| bobbytek3 | Chron is great a scheduling things on a single box, with a single task | 00:11 |
| mux | *nod* | 00:11 |
| mux | and puppet/chef/salt/etc are great at treating a whole pile of machines like a single box | 00:11 |
| bobbytek3 | Not good at coordinating cross-host with a complex set of tasks with contengencies, exceptions and the like | 00:11 |
| bobbytek3 | personally I would choose ansible, but yes you are right :) | 00:12 |
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| mux | hmm. | 00:12 |
| mux | (reading the link you posted) | 00:12 |
| bobbytek3 | On Mesos, there is Chronos for similar sort of things | 00:13 |
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| bobbytek3 | There are many many many implementations of such a thing | 00:13 |
| bobbytek3 | None are very nice | 00:13 |
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| bobbytek3 | (Chronos maybe) | 00:13 |
| bobbytek3 | But Mistral looks really neat to me | 00:13 |
| bobbytek3 | They have a slick DSL and a RESTful API | 00:13 |
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| bobbytek3 | It seems easy to create workflows in a declarative fashion, and make efficient use of cloud resources with their built-in actions | 00:14 |
| persia | ZooKeeper may also be worth a look in this concept space | 00:14 |
| bobbytek3 | Chron would require adhoc scripting, etc. | 00:14 |
| bobbytek3 | ZooKeeper is like an etcd | 00:15 |
| bobbytek3 | It's pretty much a different beast | 00:15 |
| bobbytek3 | Yes, it helps in cooridination primitives for distributed computing | 00:15 |
| bobbytek3 | But absolutely not support for workflows (natively) | 00:15 |
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| bobbytek3 | *no. | 00:15 |
| bobbytek3 | Anways, appreciate the suggestion! | 00:16 |
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| bobbytek3 | I think a cloud workflow engine makes a lot of sense personally | 00:16 |
| bobbytek3 | http://aws.amazon.com/swf/ | 00:16 |
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| bobbytek3 | I work in bioinformatics where folks run large pipelines of data processing tasks | 00:17 |
| bobbytek3 | Something like this would be very useful | 00:17 |
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| bobbytek3 | mux: are you cloud engineer or developer? | 00:24 |
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| mux | bobbytek3: little of each | 00:25 |
| mux | yourself? | 00:25 |
| bobbytek3 | Developer | 00:26 |
| mux | nice | 00:26 |
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| henrique | hello, everyone! what do I need to do to make the changes I make on my nova.conf file work? Do I need to restart nova? | 01:00 |
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| kype | Yes | 01:06 |
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| henrique | kype: do you have some "tutorial" that may help restarting nova? | 01:09 |
| kype | Erm what distribution are u running? devStack, Packstack, manual? | 01:10 |
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| henrique | devstack | 01:10 |
| kype | devStack runs the services as screens | 01:10 |
| kype | all you have to do is terminate the nova api screen and restart it | 01:11 |
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| henrique | kype: hm... I see. Thank you! | 01:12 |
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| bobbytek3 | Would a software developer ever use devstack? | 01:15 |
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| bobbytek3 | What would be a use case? | 01:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you use devstack to test contributions to openstack | 01:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | or a particular configuration | 01:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | the gates for CI also use devstack to test patches | 01:44 |
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| meylor | Is anyone using Heira to take output from openstack commands (ie. nova list), parse the data, and make it available to puppet to use within resource/variable declarations? | 01:50 |
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| FarLight | In general, do the people utilising OpenStack using it to offer cloud hosting services, or to provide more targeted solutions? | 05:01 |
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| FarLight | Also nanaum is pm'ing me advertisements. | 05:04 |
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| skullone | i didnt get any advertisements ;( | 05:08 |
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| FarLight | It was in Spanish, apparently I qualified to receive a "free show" | 05:08 |
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| fr33load3r | Hi - using Essex, I have a volume that shows "in-use", I run nova volume-detach server_id volume_id, get back a 202 (accepted) yet the volume remains "in-use" and doesn't actually detach. What gives? | 05:45 |
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| simon_stack | Hey guys. I'll be migrating from OpenNebula to Openstack next week, but I'd like to ask about one feature which I've been using in opennebula and I can't find it in openstack... is it possible to schedule running instances in a given time? I'd like to define "run instance X at Y H" and "shutdown at Z". how can I achieve it? is it somewhere in Horizon dashboard? | 06:56 |
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| simon_stack | I know Heat is somehow responsible to create relations between different machines, but I've not looked into that yet... | 06:58 |
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| astellwag | simon_stack: you could use cron and nova cli tools for that. Unfortunately the dashboard doesn't give you that possibility | 06:59 |
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| Joseph_ | http://paste.openstack.org/show/87092/ | 07:00 |
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| Joseph_ | can you pls help | 07:00 |
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| sgran | simon_stack: a time-based scaling policy sounds like the thing you're after | 07:01 |
| fr33load3r | Hi - using Essex, I have a volume that shows "in-use", I run nova volume-detach server_id volume_id, get back a 202 (accepted) yet the volume remains "in-use" and doesn't actually detach. Â What gives? | 07:01 |
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| sgran | fr33load3r: essex is 4 releases ago. That bug may very well be fixed | 07:02 |
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| simon_stack | astellwag: I'd like to avoid using workaround like cron :) I thought there is a built-in way to do simple "set time" for each action. so u say there is not such a thing and each command send to openstack via nova cli will be executed immediately? :( bad news ehm... | 07:04 |
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| simon_stack | sgran: I'll check that time-based scaling policy. it's in Heat, right? | 07:05 |
| fr33load3r | sgran: i know it's old, unfortunately that's the version we are on. I did some searching and found https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/204854 but doesn't appear like it was addressed. | 07:05 |
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| sgran | simon_stack: yes | 07:09 |
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| sgran | fr33load3r: if you're on ubuntu lts, they may offer support for essex, since it shipped with lts | 07:09 |
| simon_stack | sgran: thx, I'll check that | 07:09 |
| fr33load3r | sgran: thanks | 07:10 |
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| paraa | Hi, is there anyone with nova-network and ipv6 in production (with FlatDHCP)? The OpenStack docs and a blog post by cybera describe a way to do it, but I wonder if there is some more experience or issues. | 07:10 |
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| [leeloo] | Hi | 08:35 |
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| [leeloo] | I installed rdo on virtualbox, fedora 20 64bits. The install of RDO packstack goes without error. But when I try to create an instance of cirros, I got this error "[Error: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 71: ordinal not in range(128)]." More details here --> http://paste.openstack.org/show/87107/ Thanks for your help :) | 08:39 |
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| [leeloo] | find the answer: change virt_type=kvm to virt_type=qemu in /etc/nova/nova.conf and restart "systemctl restart openstack-nova-compute.service" | 09:42 |
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| dgurau | hi all, I'm getting this error on the compute node when I try to boot an image NovaException: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed | 09:57 |
| dgurau | any ideas why this might happen? | 09:57 |
| pkoniszewski | dgurau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1303998 | 09:59 |
| pkoniszewski | check last comment | 09:59 |
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| dgurau | pkoniszewski: not the case for me, I've got the correct spelling | 10:04 |
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| [leeloo] | thanks | 10:10 |
| [leeloo] | bye | 10:10 |
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| ashepelev | Hello. I'm stucked on authentication in OpenStack via it's api. I've learned to authinticate in python-novaclient via calling its constructor with my credentials. As I understand it works on HTTP method with GET/PUT/POST posts. I need to keep a lof data in the db and there's a possibility to do it with sqlalchemy api. To do it - I need to get the context via RequestContext class. But all my... | 11:11 |
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| ashepelev | ...tries are bad: the sql_connection string is None. I guess it's not enought authentication there. Can someone provide with clues on how to do it? | 11:11 |
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| ashepelev | Or it can only be done by openstack services? | 11:12 |
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| ashepelev | I've tried to ask developers - but recieved no answer | 11:14 |
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| bobbytek3 | Hey guys, I have a question regarding application provisioning on top of openstack | 11:54 |
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| bobbytek3 | How does one deal with host names to private ip mappings? | 11:54 |
| bobbytek3 | What is typical here? | 11:54 |
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| mkulke | hello there. is there a way to access created instances from the controller node? | 12:54 |
| mkulke | i thought it should be possible since floating & public networks share the same subnet | 12:54 |
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| mkulke | nevermind, the security rules were not set up | 13:02 |
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| Ro_ | hello, I want to install DevStack on my XenServer. Reading https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/DevStack I it is possible, but it is not written will it run all inner instances as a XenServer DomU? | 13:08 |
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| Ro_ | could you see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24825982/devstack-on-xenserver | 13:20 |
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| scheuran | Hi folks, I'm just looking out for "distributed virtual routers (dvr) for OVS" blueprints. There seem to be 2 very similar ones: | 14:00 |
| scheuran | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ovs-dvr | 14:00 |
| scheuran | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ovs-distributed-router | 14:00 |
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| scheuran | Does anyone know the difference? Are these duplicates? | 14:01 |
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| ICE19 | CTC | 14:12 |
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| georgem2 | scheuran: they are most probably duplicates | 14:19 |
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| scheuran | georgem2: thanks! Is there a common way of contacting the authors of a blueprint in openstack to get clarification? Just email them directly or use the mailing list? | 14:30 |
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| georgem2 | scheuran: you can contact the Neutron PTL on irc at mestery | 14:49 |
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| |splat| | what user does nova try to resize instances with? because my trials just failed with ssh saying pub key auth failed | 15:09 |
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| dmsimard | |splat|: Over ssh/rsync. | 15:16 |
| |splat| | via root? | 15:16 |
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| dmsimard | |splat|: No, Nova. | 15:16 |
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| dmsimard | e.g, you create a .ssh folder in /var/lib/nova, generate a keypair and distribute the private/public keys around | 15:17 |
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| |splat| | ok thanks, thats what i need to check | 15:17 |
| dmsimard | There are nova settings to specify the key location | 15:17 |
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| |splat| | hmm. they all have /var/lib/nova/.ssh/id_rsa and authorized_keys | 15:24 |
| |splat| | exit | 15:24 |
| |splat| | oops | 15:24 |
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| |splat| | i alway forgot focus doesn’t follow my eyes, heh | 15:24 |
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| persia | headtrackers make handy pointing devices for folk who want that :) | 15:26 |
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| |splat| | still getting host key verification failed | 15:26 |
| |splat| | hmm | 15:26 |
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| |splat| | found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1313532 but now i’m getting permission denied. | 15:36 |
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| |splat| | all the directory permissions are nova:nova | 15:44 |
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| dgurau | hi georgem2 | 15:53 |
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| jidar_ | anybody know off hand how hosts get decided for creating volumes or launching instances? | 15:56 |
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| jidar_ | I get this error when enabling debugging | 15:57 |
| jidar_ | 2014-07-18 08:49:25.722 4888 INFO nova.filters [req-01f7e96c-f749-4d72-8d6a-545c4895ea22 555e3e826c9f445c9975d0e1c6e00fc6 ff6a2b534e984db58313ae194b2d908c] F | 15:57 |
| jidar_ | ilter RetryFilter returned 0 hosts | 15:57 |
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| georgem2 | dgurau:hi | 15:58 |
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| dgurau | georgem2: I still couldn't fix the problem that I was showing you yesterday | 16:00 |
| georgem2 | jidar_:read this: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/multi_backend.html | 16:00 |
| dgurau | georgem2: I've still got Error: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed when I'm trying to boot an image | 16:01 |
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| georgem2 | dgurau:check the openvswitch-agent.log on the compute node for any related errors | 16:04 |
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| georgem2 | dgurau: I'm leaving in 10 min so I won't have much time to help you, but I'll be back later today | 16:04 |
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| dgurau | georgem2: CRITICAL neutron [req-5e78638e-3850-407a-a29c-02b6e99b40ce None] Failed to import qpid.messaging | 16:06 |
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| georgem2 | dgurau:are you using qpid instead of rabbitmq? | 16:07 |
| jidar_ | georgem2: yea, actually I think I figured out it was because I don't have a compute node! | 16:07 |
| dgurau | no... I'm ussing rabbitmq | 16:07 |
| jidar_ | nova host-list doesn't list compute :/ | 16:08 |
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| georgem2 | dhurau:check the neutron.conf in the nova compute node for any qpid lines not commented out | 16:08 |
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| glanceq | QUESTION: Is it possible to specify vmware datastore as image source when doing a glance image create ? | 17:45 |
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| htruta | hello, everyone! I'm trying to do a "nova live-migration" with block-migrate. I run the command and have no output, which I think that means success. But I follow the vm status with "nova-manage vm list" and the host does not change | 18:32 |
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| htruta | can anybody help me? what may I be doing wrong? | 18:32 |
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| georgem2 | htruta:check nova-compute logs on both nodes for errors | 18:33 |
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| htruta | I think I only have log on the controller... And it shows no error | 18:33 |
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| htruta | and the instance is still running ok | 18:34 |
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| georgem2 | htruta:you must have logs on all the compute nodes, enable verbose and debug in nova.conf on the computed nodes, restart the nova-compute services and try the live-migration again and you'll see the errors | 18:35 |
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| Dhivya | Hi , I launnch the Vm yet system not getting IP | 18:36 |
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| Dhivya | can you help ? | 18:36 |
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| htruta | georgem2: I'll try that. Thanks | 18:38 |
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| Dhivya | compute Instance IP and Network Instance physical IP not able to ping | 18:41 |
| Dhivya | Hi | 18:42 |
| Dhivya | compute Instance IP and Network Instance physical IP not able to ping can you Please help ? | 18:42 |
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| Dhivya | compute Instance IP and Network Instance physical IP not able to ping can you Please help | 18:43 |
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| Dhivya | can you pls help | 18:47 |
| openstack028 | Hi | 18:47 |
| openstack028 | Vm system not getting IP | 18:47 |
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| georgem2 | Dhivya:read this: http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/network_troubleshooting.html | 18:49 |
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| Dhivya | Thanks for the response | 18:51 |
| Dhivya | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_overview.html#architecture_example-architectures | 18:51 |
| Dhivya | i am using the document | 18:51 |
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| Dhivya | from the end stage , i am stoped | 18:51 |
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| Dhivya | i spend last 4 days to check , yet i am not getting correct way to chevk the issues | 18:51 |
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| Dhivya | kindly help me | 18:52 |
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| Dhivya | this is the error message | 18:53 |
| Dhivya | http://paste.openstack.org/show/87176/ | 18:53 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | does anyone know whats up with this feature: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bug/1108644,n,z | 19:11 |
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| htruta | georgem2: I've got a NoLiveMigrationForConfigDriveInLibVirt. "Live migration of instances with config drives is not supported in libvirt unless libvirt instance path and drive data is shared across compute nodes." | 19:19 |
| htruta | do you know something about this? | 19:19 |
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| georgem2 | htruta: I think it's pretty descriptive | 19:21 |
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| htruta | georgem2: yeah... but I have no clue how to solve :/ | 19:38 |
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| Dhivya | hi | 19:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | magicrobotmonkey: thats really old code | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | magicrobotmonkey: search the neutron mailing list? | 19:42 |
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| Dhivya | ? | 19:46 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | Sam-I-Am: that's pretty much the only reference I can find to search domains | 20:06 |
| magicrobotmonkey | but I feel it has to be possible to change it | 20:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | check bugs? blueprints? ask around? | 20:07 |
| magicrobotmonkey | wait | 20:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | maybe it was implemented elsewhere? | 20:07 |
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| magicrobotmonkey | i might have just found it on github | 20:07 |
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| loth | anyone familar with glance --copy-from or --location? | 20:13 |
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| skyler | atpa8a: I have done something similar and it should work. | 22:07 |
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| skyler | When using neutron is there an easy way to delete stuff? For example, I go to delete a net and it gives me an error saying there is a port using it. Can I do a hard delete that will go through and kill all such ports? | 22:21 |
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| skyler | Also, is there a way to find a router's IP address? | 22:52 |
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| bobbytek3 | Is there a good book, web reference or otherwise that approaches OpenStack from an application developers perspective? | 23:41 |
| bobbytek3 | I would be interested in learning more | 23:42 |
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