Friday, 2014-07-18

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muxbobbytek3: hmm, first I've heard of it. seems like something that would be useful, but I'll be honest, I'm having a really hard time coming up with a practical example of that usefulness.00:01
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bobbytek3mux: Any need for workflow management?00:01
bobbytek3Something like Oozie00:01
bobbytek3Rundeck, etc.?00:02
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bobbytek3Dag execution with opportunities for parallelism?00:02
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bobbytek3Need to spin up instances on demand, execute, then shutdown, handle error conditions and email?00:02
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bobbytek3Like the idea of BPEL, but hate its complexity and tendency of vendor lock-in?00:03
bobbytek3That's where I"m coming from at least00:03
muxbobbytek3: handled by the application internally to the vms usually, and spinning up instances on demand is demand-based, not time-based00:03
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muxbobbytek3: I haven't come across much cloud-native design that is time-based00:04
bobbytek3mux: Well ephemeral clusters are very common for certain types of workflows00:04
muxthat being said, it's interesting00:04
bobbytek3Just look at AWS's EMR for example00:04
muxhow would cross-cloud apps work?00:04
muxagents on each vm?00:04
bobbytek3mux: Also consider Amazon's SimpleWorkflowService00:04
bobbytek3That's basically what Mistral is trying to achieve00:05
bobbytek3mux: Cross cloud?00:05
bobbytek3My question about portability was aimed at a particular cloud00:05
muxif it's agent-based, why not use chef/puppet/ansible/cfengine/salt?00:05
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bobbytek3But being able to take the metadata (workbooks in this case) and apply them on other clouds00:05
bobbytek3mux: Orchestration is a very different use case than CM00:06
muxok, why not use heat/rightscale/scalr/etc?00:06
bobbytek3CM is about getting machines into a desired state00:06
bobbytek3mux: Well, heat is slated to use Mistral00:06
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bobbytek3Not sure about the others00:06
muxfwiw I am not arguing with you in an attempt to prove myself "right" about anything, just trying to understand00:06
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bobbytek3mux: Same!00:07
bobbytek3:)00:07
bobbytek3To be honest, I don't know :)00:07
muxhmm, interesting re: heat00:07
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bobbytek3mux: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral/Cloud_Environment_Deployment_details00:08
bobbytek3Not sure if that is a plan or a vision00:08
muxreally tho, it seems like it's trying to abstract something that doesn't really need abstraction00:08
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bobbytek3mux: People just want to execute a DAG in a reliable manner00:08
muxif the cronjobs on a machine are configured by config management, and the clocks are sync'd by... well, common sense00:08
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bobbytek3And for it to be expressible, readable and maintainable00:09
muxwhy not just setup the cronjobs in your CM and deploy your job out that way? guaranteed parallel execution then00:09
bobbytek3Because you need "if this then that" type logic00:09
bobbytek3And parallelism00:10
bobbytek3And cloudisms :)00:10
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muxbut... that's built into cron. :) it's reinventing a wheel, and I'm trying to see the ways the new wheel is better...00:10
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muxI have no problem with new wheels, I just need them to be better than the old ones00:10
bobbytek3Chron is great a scheduling things on a single box, with a single task00:11
mux*nod*00:11
muxand puppet/chef/salt/etc are great at treating a whole pile of machines like a single box00:11
bobbytek3Not good at coordinating cross-host with a complex set of tasks with contengencies, exceptions and the like00:11
bobbytek3personally I would choose ansible, but yes you are right :)00:12
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muxhmm.00:12
mux(reading the link you posted)00:12
bobbytek3On Mesos, there is Chronos for similar sort of things00:13
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bobbytek3There are many many many implementations of such a thing00:13
bobbytek3None are very nice00:13
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bobbytek3(Chronos maybe)00:13
bobbytek3But Mistral looks really neat to me00:13
bobbytek3They have a slick DSL and a RESTful API00:13
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bobbytek3It seems easy to create workflows in a declarative fashion, and make efficient use of cloud resources with their built-in actions00:14
persiaZooKeeper may also be worth a look in this concept space00:14
bobbytek3Chron would require adhoc scripting, etc.00:14
bobbytek3ZooKeeper is like an etcd00:15
bobbytek3It's pretty much a different beast00:15
bobbytek3Yes, it helps in cooridination primitives for distributed computing00:15
bobbytek3But absolutely not support for workflows (natively)00:15
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bobbytek3*no.00:15
bobbytek3Anways, appreciate the suggestion!00:16
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bobbytek3I think a cloud workflow engine makes a lot of sense personally00:16
bobbytek3http://aws.amazon.com/swf/00:16
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bobbytek3I work in bioinformatics where folks run large pipelines of data processing tasks00:17
bobbytek3Something like this would be very useful00:17
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bobbytek3mux: are you cloud engineer or developer?00:24
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muxbobbytek3: little of each00:25
muxyourself?00:25
bobbytek3Developer00:26
muxnice00:26
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henriquehello, everyone! what do I need to do to make the changes I make on my nova.conf file work? Do I need to restart nova?01:00
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kypeYes01:06
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henriquekype: do you have some "tutorial" that may help restarting nova?01:09
kypeErm what distribution are u running? devStack, Packstack, manual?01:10
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henriquedevstack01:10
kypedevStack runs the services as screens01:10
kypeall you have to do is terminate the nova api screen and restart it01:11
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henriquekype: hm... I see. Thank you!01:12
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bobbytek3Would a software developer ever use devstack?01:15
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bobbytek3What would be a use case?01:15
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Sam-I-Amyou use devstack to test contributions to openstack01:44
Sam-I-Amor a particular configuration01:44
Sam-I-Amthe gates for CI also use devstack to test patches01:44
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meylorIs anyone using Heira to take output from openstack commands (ie. nova list), parse the data, and make it available to puppet to use within resource/variable declarations?01:50
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FarLightIn general, do the people utilising OpenStack using it to offer cloud hosting services, or to provide more targeted solutions?05:01
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FarLightAlso nanaum is pm'ing me advertisements.05:04
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skullonei didnt get any advertisements ;(05:08
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FarLightIt was in Spanish, apparently I qualified to receive a "free show"05:08
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fr33load3rHi - using Essex, I have a volume that shows "in-use", I run nova volume-detach server_id volume_id, get back a 202 (accepted) yet the volume remains "in-use" and doesn't actually detach.  What gives?05:45
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simon_stackHey guys. I'll be migrating from OpenNebula to Openstack next week, but I'd like to ask about one feature which I've been using in opennebula and I can't find it in openstack... is it possible to schedule running instances in a given time? I'd like to define "run instance X at Y H"  and "shutdown at Z". how can I achieve it? is it somewhere in Horizon dashboard?06:56
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simon_stackI know Heat is somehow responsible to create relations between different machines, but I've not looked into that yet...06:58
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astellwagsimon_stack: you could use cron and nova cli tools for that. Unfortunately the dashboard doesn't give you that possibility06:59
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Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/87092/07:00
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Joseph_can you pls help07:00
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sgransimon_stack: a time-based scaling policy sounds like the thing you're after07:01
fr33load3rHi - using Essex, I have a volume that shows "in-use", I run nova volume-detach server_id volume_id, get back a 202 (accepted) yet the volume remains "in-use" and doesn't actually detach.  What gives?07:01
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sgranfr33load3r: essex is 4 releases ago.  That bug may very well be fixed07:02
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simon_stackastellwag: I'd like to avoid using workaround like cron :) I thought there is a built-in way to do simple "set time" for each action. so u say there is not such a thing and each command send to openstack via nova cli will be executed immediately? :( bad news ehm...07:04
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simon_stacksgran: I'll check that time-based scaling policy. it's in Heat, right?07:05
fr33load3rsgran: i know it's old, unfortunately that's the version we are on.  I did some searching and found https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/204854 but doesn't appear like it was addressed.07:05
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sgransimon_stack: yes07:09
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sgranfr33load3r: if you're on ubuntu lts, they may offer support for essex, since it shipped with lts07:09
simon_stacksgran: thx, I'll check that07:09
fr33load3rsgran: thanks07:10
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paraaHi, is there anyone with nova-network and ipv6 in production (with FlatDHCP)? The OpenStack docs and a blog post by cybera describe a way to do it, but I wonder if there is some more experience or issues.07:10
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[leeloo]Hi08:35
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[leeloo]I installed rdo on virtualbox, fedora 20 64bits. The install of RDO packstack goes without error. But when I try to create an instance of cirros, I got this error "[Error: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 71: ordinal not in range(128)]." More details here --> http://paste.openstack.org/show/87107/  Thanks for your help :)08:39
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[leeloo]find the answer: change virt_type=kvm to virt_type=qemu in /etc/nova/nova.conf and restart "systemctl restart openstack-nova-compute.service"09:42
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dgurauhi all, I'm getting this error on the compute node when I try to boot an image    NovaException: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed09:57
dgurauany ideas why this might happen?09:57
pkoniszewskidgurau: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/130399809:59
pkoniszewskicheck last comment09:59
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dguraupkoniszewski: not the case for me, I've got the correct spelling10:04
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[leeloo]thanks10:10
[leeloo]bye10:10
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ashepelevHello. I'm stucked on authentication in OpenStack via it's api. I've learned to authinticate in python-novaclient via calling its constructor with my credentials. As I understand it works on HTTP method with GET/PUT/POST posts. I need to keep a lof data in the db and there's a possibility to do it with sqlalchemy api. To do it - I need to get the context via RequestContext class. But all my...11:11
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ashepelev...tries are bad: the sql_connection string is None. I guess it's not enought authentication there. Can someone provide with clues on how to do it?11:11
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ashepelevOr it can only be done by openstack services?11:12
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ashepelevI've tried  to ask developers - but recieved no answer11:14
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bobbytek3Hey guys, I have a question regarding application provisioning on top of openstack11:54
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bobbytek3How does one deal with host names to private ip mappings?11:54
bobbytek3What is typical here?11:54
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mkulkehello there. is there a way to access created instances from the controller node?12:54
mkulkei thought it should be possible since floating & public networks share the same subnet12:54
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mkulkenevermind, the security rules were not set up13:02
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Ro_hello, I want to install DevStack on my XenServer. Reading https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/DevStack I it is possible, but it is not written will it run all inner instances as a XenServer DomU?13:08
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Ro_could you see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24825982/devstack-on-xenserver13:20
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scheuranHi folks, I'm just looking out for "distributed virtual routers (dvr) for OVS" blueprints. There seem to be 2 very similar ones:14:00
scheuranhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ovs-dvr14:00
scheuranhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ovs-distributed-router14:00
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scheuranDoes anyone know the difference? Are these duplicates?14:01
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ICE19CTC14:12
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georgem2scheuran: they are most probably duplicates14:19
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scheurangeorgem2: thanks! Is there a common way of contacting the authors of a blueprint in openstack to get clarification? Just email them directly or use the mailing list?14:30
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georgem2scheuran: you can contact the Neutron PTL on irc at mestery14:49
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|splat|what user does nova try to resize instances with? because my trials just failed with ssh saying pub key auth failed15:09
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dmsimard|splat|: Over ssh/rsync.15:16
|splat|via root?15:16
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dmsimard|splat|: No, Nova.15:16
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dmsimarde.g, you create a .ssh folder in /var/lib/nova, generate a keypair and distribute the private/public keys around15:17
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|splat|ok thanks, thats what i need to check15:17
dmsimardThere are nova settings to specify the key location15:17
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|splat|hmm. they all have /var/lib/nova/.ssh/id_rsa and authorized_keys15:24
|splat|exit15:24
|splat|oops15:24
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|splat|i alway forgot focus doesn’t follow my eyes, heh15:24
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persiaheadtrackers make handy pointing devices for folk who want that :)15:26
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|splat|still getting host key verification failed15:26
|splat|hmm15:26
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|splat|found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1313532  but now i’m getting permission denied.15:36
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|splat|all the directory permissions are nova:nova15:44
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dgurauhi georgem215:53
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jidar_anybody know off hand how hosts get decided for creating volumes or launching instances?15:56
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jidar_I get this error when enabling debugging15:57
jidar_2014-07-18 08:49:25.722 4888 INFO nova.filters [req-01f7e96c-f749-4d72-8d6a-545c4895ea22 555e3e826c9f445c9975d0e1c6e00fc6 ff6a2b534e984db58313ae194b2d908c] F15:57
jidar_ilter RetryFilter returned 0 hosts15:57
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georgem2dgurau:hi15:58
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dguraugeorgem2: I still couldn't fix the problem that I was showing you yesterday16:00
georgem2jidar_:read this: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/multi_backend.html16:00
dguraugeorgem2: I've still got Error: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed when I'm trying to boot an image16:01
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georgem2dgurau:check the openvswitch-agent.log on the compute node for any related errors16:04
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georgem2dgurau: I'm leaving in 10 min so I won't have much time to help you, but I'll be back later today16:04
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dguraugeorgem2:  CRITICAL neutron [req-5e78638e-3850-407a-a29c-02b6e99b40ce None] Failed to import qpid.messaging16:06
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georgem2dgurau:are you using qpid instead of rabbitmq?16:07
jidar_georgem2: yea, actually I think I figured out it was because I don't have a compute node!16:07
dgurauno... I'm ussing rabbitmq16:07
jidar_nova host-list doesn't list compute :/16:08
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georgem2dhurau:check the neutron.conf in the nova compute node for any qpid lines not commented out16:08
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glanceqQUESTION: Is it possible to specify vmware datastore as image source when doing a glance image create ?17:45
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htrutahello, everyone! I'm trying to do a "nova live-migration" with block-migrate. I run the command and have no output, which I think that means success. But I follow the vm status with "nova-manage vm list" and the host does not change18:32
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htrutacan anybody help me? what may I be doing wrong?18:32
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georgem2htruta:check nova-compute logs on both nodes for errors18:33
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htrutaI think I only have log on the controller... And it shows no error18:33
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htrutaand the instance is still running ok18:34
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georgem2htruta:you must have logs on all the compute nodes, enable verbose and debug in nova.conf on the computed nodes, restart the nova-compute services and try the live-migration again and you'll see the errors18:35
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DhivyaHi , I  launnch the Vm yet system not getting IP18:36
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Dhivyai am new one for opne stack18:36
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Dhivyacan you help ?18:36
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htrutageorgem2: I'll try that. Thanks18:38
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Dhivyacompute Instance IP and Network Instance physical  IP not able to ping18:41
DhivyaHi18:42
Dhivyacompute Instance IP and Network Instance physical  IP not able to ping can you Please help ?18:42
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Dhivyacompute Instance IP and Network Instance physical  IP not able to ping can you Please help18:43
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Dhivyacan you pls help18:47
openstack028Hi18:47
openstack028Vm system not getting IP18:47
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georgem2Dhivya:read this: http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/network_troubleshooting.html18:49
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DhivyaThanks for the response18:51
Dhivyahttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_overview.html#architecture_example-architectures18:51
Dhivyai am using the document18:51
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Dhivyafrom the end stage , i am stoped18:51
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Dhivyai spend last 4 days to check , yet i am not getting correct way to chevk the issues18:51
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Dhivyakindly help me18:52
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Dhivyathis is the error message18:53
Dhivyahttp://paste.openstack.org/show/87176/18:53
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magicrobotmonkeydoes anyone know whats up with this feature: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:abandoned+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bug/1108644,n,z19:11
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htrutageorgem2: I've got a NoLiveMigrationForConfigDriveInLibVirt. "Live migration of instances with config drives is not supported in libvirt unless libvirt instance path and drive data is shared across compute nodes."19:19
htrutado you know something about this?19:19
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georgem2htruta: I think it's pretty descriptive19:21
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htrutageorgem2: yeah... but I have no clue how to solve :/19:38
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Dhivyahi19:41
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Dhivyacompute Instance IP and Network Instance physical  IP not able to ping can you Please help19:41
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Sam-I-Ammagicrobotmonkey: thats really old code19:42
Sam-I-Ammagicrobotmonkey: search the neutron mailing list?19:42
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openstack028compute Instance IP and Network Instance physical  IP not able to ping can you Please help  ?19:43
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Dhivyacompute Instance IP and Network Instance physical  IP not able to ping can you Please help19:46
Dhivya?19:46
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magicrobotmonkeySam-I-Am: that's pretty much the only reference I can find to search domains20:06
magicrobotmonkeybut I feel it has to be possible to change it20:06
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Sam-I-Amcheck bugs? blueprints? ask around?20:07
magicrobotmonkeywait20:07
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Sam-I-Ammaybe it was implemented elsewhere?20:07
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magicrobotmonkeyi might have just found it on github20:07
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lothanyone familar with glance --copy-from or --location?20:13
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mtl1Hi, has anyone else seen ubuntu images not properly installing grub, so instances are unable to be rebooted?20:20
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atpa8ais it ok to use localhost in place of controller/network/compute1 hosts for all-in-one? also as an instance tunnel interface?..20:44
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skyleratpa8a: I have done something similar and it should work.22:07
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skylerWhen using neutron is there an easy way to delete stuff? For example, I go to delete a net and it gives me an error saying there is a port using it. Can I do a hard delete that will go through and kill all such ports?22:21
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skylerAlso, is there a way to find a router's IP address?22:52
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bobbytek3Is there a good book, web reference or otherwise that approaches OpenStack from an application developers perspective?23:41
bobbytek3I would be interested in learning more23:42
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