Friday, 2014-07-25

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danshtrHi All. Has anyone followed the instructions on http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/building-training-cluster.html ? I can't see where I actually install openstack02:09
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DaSpawnI am trying to make use of an existing FreeNAS storage for shared volume (iSCSI) and shared object (NFS) storage, what is the best way to integrate/connect this storage to my new openstack?  I can not find any information about connecting directly to iSCSI on the FreeNAS, do I have to mount the iSCSI on a server then reshare with Cinder?02:41
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t4nk769Hello! anybody here?03:15
kbrierlyFYI: we may lose IRC shortly since we're working on network in SQL103:16
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kbrierlySQL1 going down in 2 minutes03:18
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t4nk769What is the purpose of IRC if there is a dead silence?03:20
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kbrierlySQL1 going down NOW03:22
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Joseph_hi07:44
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Joseph_i am facing strange issues with dashboard07:44
Joseph_http://172.23.228.153/horizon --------------Internal Server Erro07:45
Joseph_how to we fox ?07:45
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Joseph_any one help me07:52
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IleJoseph_, you could try looking at log files07:53
drankisJoseph_, look in apache error logs07:53
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Joseph_its seems suddenly happen07:55
giordgiodinapoliguys, whats the propper way to add the vswitch bridge to my external network, without loosing all connectivity?07:55
Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/88103/07:55
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marcelo-777Hi, I'm having a metada issue, when I boot a vm, it does not get the metadata and the ubuntu cloud-init fail. Then, I can not do ssh in the machine.07:59
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Joseph_any way to re-install ?08:00
marcelo-777you mean, re-install the openstack?08:01
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Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/88103/08:07
Joseph_Pls help guys08:07
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dataok guys, I am back with the same problem as before. I got some "working" configuration that enabled ml2 and everything, but due to the configuration, everything was using local networks. As soon as I forced it to use vxlan, instance creation failed again at "virtual interface creation"08:20
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datahttp://paste.openstack.org/show/88106/08:26
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datafollowing http://wiki.stackinsider.org/index.php/DevStack_-_Dual_Node_-_Neutron_VXLAN_-_Icehouse_-_Compute_Node, I arrive at the step where I am executing ovs-vsctl br-ex eth2. But br-ex does not exist. How should it be created?08:43
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rotbeardhey folks, any working link to the image guide in havana? I just got the current release after changing release in http://docs.openstack.org/ to _havana_08:51
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x1b2jhi, guys. I was searching for the "issues" tab on github to report some bug, but couln't find in openstack/nova. Please give some link, where I can discuss the problem, while I am running on docker.09:42
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mflobox1b2j, try here https://launchpad.net/nova09:44
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giorgiodinapoliokay guys the external bridge is now connected successfully. but im not able to get this traffic into my virtualnetworks10:28
giorgiodinapolihow can i connect any network created by neutron to the public?10:28
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giorgiodinapoliwe assume that br-ex and br-int needs to be bridged10:31
giorgiodinapolibut how can we do this10:31
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scheuranhi, I'm currently preparing a blue print that should add another network virtualization option to os. This would require new code changes to novas libivrt driver and to an neutron plugin. So what do you think, should I split the content up into two blueprints (as nova and neutron is affected) or is it also fine to go with a single one?11:53
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dmsimardHappy Sysadmin day :)12:32
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anand_tsdmsimard: happy sysadmin is oxymoron :)12:42
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[leeloo]I installed Havana (all in one) on a bare-metal server (with one NIC eth0) + 1 public ip (say 212.212.0.10) + severals others for floating-ip. In demo tenant, I see a public network, but with "cd523bbe-a4ca-46c2-94e4-2a7c9d82f42e | public      | 4b0d099c-c75a-497e-8606-043a7fa7aa28 172.24.4.224/28". How can I "map" the real public IP (212.212.0.10) with this "public" network. Thanks for your help ;)13:08
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ashukaulany help : dpkg: error processing package openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme (--configure):13:08
ashukaul package openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme is not ready for configuration13:08
ashukaul cannot configure (current status `half-installed')13:08
mmitchellre-create it with the proper subnet13:08
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mmitchellashukaul: try dpkg-reconfigure openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme13:09
ashukaulmmitchell: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme is broken or not fully installed13:09
mmitchellashukaul: dpkg -l | grep openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme13:09
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ashukaulopenstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme    1:2014.1.1-0ubuntu113:10
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mmitchellisnt there antyhing prior to openstack on the same line?13:11
mmitchellfor example: "ii  zlib1g         1:1.2.3.4.dfsg compression library - runtime"13:11
mmitchellii13:11
[leeloo]mmitchell: can you give me more detail ? (I really a beginner) :)13:12
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ashukaulrH13:12
mmitchell[leeloo]: do it with horizon13:12
mmitchellmuch easier13:12
ashukaulrH  openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme    1:2014.1.1-0ubuntu1                  all13:12
mmitchelldesired: remove, status: Half-installed13:12
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mmitchellyou were trying to install it or remove it?13:13
[leeloo]mmitchell: connect under admin account, I remove  the public network firest ( or have to remove router links...) ?13:13
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ashukaulI was trying to install devstack via git and configure ./stack.sh.. which failed at starting apache, when I searched on google it asked me to remove openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme below is the link13:14
ashukaulhttps://ask.openstack.org/en/question/8898/devstack-install-fail-dashboard-error/13:14
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ashukauland now stuck at this removing openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme13:15
mmitchell"dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme:"13:15
mmitchellyou were getting this?13:15
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ashukaul Y13:16
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ashukauldpkg: error processing package openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme (--remove):13:18
ashukaul subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 113:18
ashukaulErrors were encountered while processing:13:18
ashukaul openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme13:18
ashukaulE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)13:18
ashukaul+ exit_trap13:18
ashukaul+ local r=10013:18
ashukaul++ jobs -p13:18
ashukaul+ jobs=13:18
ashukaul+ [[ -n '' ]]13:18
ashukaul+ kill_spinner13:18
ashukaul+ '[' '!' -z '' ']'13:18
ashukaul+ [[ 100 -ne 0 ]]13:18
ashukaul+ echo 'Error on exit'13:18
ashukaulError on exit13:18
ashukaul+ ./tools/worlddump.py -d13:18
ashukaulusage: worlddump.py [-h] [-d DIR]13:18
ashukaulworlddump.py: error: argument -d/--dir: expected one argument13:18
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mmitchellopenstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme maintainer scripts look broken from what I can see13:20
mmitchellbut13:20
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mmitchellI dont think devstack uses debian packages13:21
mmitchellso I'm confused13:21
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ashukaulnow, I am confused when you say it doesn't uses debian packages ?  then why it's trying to remove it ?13:24
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JailHouseRockI am trying to install OS on Ubuntu 14.04 but when I install keystone, it doesn't install an upstart service or init.d script, am I doing something wrong? and alternatively, how can I restart the service without them?13:25
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georgem2JailHouseRock:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone/+bug/131518813:30
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JailHouseRockwhat would be the solution, switch to debian?13:34
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georgem2JailHouseRock:it's a confirmed bug and they will probably release a fix, in the meantime "ln -s /lib/init/upstart-job /etc/init.d/keystone" should fix it13:34
JailHouseRockah right, the solution was there apparently, thank you13:35
JailHouseRockit has been driving me nuts13:35
georgem2JailHouseRock: yeah, 14.04 is not as functional as 12.04, yet13:36
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JailHouseRockI saw that 14.04.1 was released, lets hope they fixed it13:37
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JailHouseRockbut they probably use the same repo, so it doesn't matter lol13:38
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[leeloo]mmitchell: i removed my public network, rebuild one, but my newly build instance can't reach the net --> http://paste.openstack.org/show/88184/14:27
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mmitchell[leeloo]: the gateway you have is not part of the subnet, thus your vm can't reach the gateway to get to the net14:29
mmitchellthe machine that has 6.32.41.21 bound to one of it's interfaces also needs to have a leg in the /2914:29
mmitchelland routing needs to be enabled14:29
[leeloo]mmitchell: how can I achive that under centos ?14:30
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datahi, I have followed this guide: http://wiki.stackinsider.org/index.php/Native_Stack_-_Dual_Node_using_Neutron_VXLAN_-_Icehouse, but I only get this error when starting an instance: http://paste.openstack.org/show/88185/14:31
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dataI think the problme might be that no br-ex exists on the compute node14:31
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mmitchell[leeloo]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14879988/linux-nat-iptables-configuration-for-this-setup might help14:32
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mmitchell[leeloo]: just make sure you don't delete anything openstack has created14:33
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[leeloo]mmitchell: thanks for yor elp14:54
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datadoes anyone have a similar picture to the vxlan configuration? http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/figures/8/figures/osog_1202.png14:56
dataI mean: a similar illustion for the vxlan setup? With names of interfaces as,e.g., used by devstack14:57
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KodiakFSo do I have it right that a ML2 neutron node needs 3 nics, one mgmt net, one client/api net, and one that won't have a single IP but rather a range for all the uplink ports of the virtual routers that it hosts?15:05
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Sam-I-AmKodiakF: the interface associated with br-ex generally needs access to a range of IPs. however, it usually does not have an IP.15:06
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KodiakFThanks Sam-I-Am that's the part I'm looking into now - should that just be another phys nic port on the "client / API" network w/o an IP or is that yet another phys network I need to sort out? :)15:07
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Sam-I-Amdoesnt matter how you do it, but i recommend segmenting the networks somehow15:09
Sam-I-Amso either 3 interfaces... 1 interface with 3 vlans, etc.15:09
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KodiakFah so it does need another network/vlan - this is basically for customers to access projects / services hosted within their tenant and for those tenants to access the greater internet at large?15:11
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KodiakFand the "client / API" network is more for the tenants to talk to eachother and whatnot?15:11
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KodiakFso it's more like [mgmt net for openstack admin stuff] | [client / api net for inside-openstack comms] | [public net for WWW access in/out]15:12
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dataSam-I-Am: KodiakF: Is this necessary or just recommended? I have an internal and external card right now, but I just keep running into walls. Might be this...15:13
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Sam-I-AmKodiakF: generally separating customer access from other networks is a good idea15:15
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Sam-I-Amyou can run everything on 1 nic if you want, but it gets messy and difficult to troubleshoot15:15
Sam-I-Amand i'd never do that in production15:15
KodiakFCool - I'll go 3 nics, I've got 6 on the host15:15
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dataThe one cluster I am testing on only has two nics per server attached to the switch atm15:15
Sam-I-Amdata: in that case i'd mix management and vm tunnels together... leave br-ex by itself15:17
Sam-I-Ambr-ex gets cranky when mixed with other network activity15:17
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datathat's what I am doing right now15:18
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dataalthough br-ex is on the actual internal part of the network for now, because I was not able to figure out how to still route traffic with it being on the external interface (not that I tried)15:18
dataexternal and internal refer to our structure, not openstack's nomenclature15:18
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dataSam-I-Am: Care to help me debug my installation? Because I am severely frustrated by the lack of progress15:19
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dataright now my horizon is not starting new instances becaue "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached"15:20
datano idea why. neutron works wonderfully on the command line (starting instances does not)15:20
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Sam-I-Amdata: i can't dedicate too much time right now. in the middle of work-things.15:23
datak15:23
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dataI found that one, but I'll continue asking  )15:23
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datais there a reason that neutron conf is in /opt/stack/neutron/etc/neutron.conf, but nova.conf is in /etc/nova/?15:27
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marcelo-777Hi are there some limitation to do ssh using floatingIP?15:31
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MilesDenvermarcelo-777: I don't know any limitations for SSH ing to a a floating IP.15:34
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Sam-I-Amdata: how did you install this?15:34
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dataSam-I-Am: http://wiki.stackinsider.org/index.php/Native_Stack_-_Dual_Node_using_Neutron_VXLAN_-_Icehouse15:36
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Sam-I-Amyeah, third-party install guide can be funky15:41
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marcelo-777Hi, I am having issue with my vms, I can to ping, telnet, and do ssh between vms, but I cannot do ssh from the host to the vm. Also, the cloud-init fails, any clue?15:41
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Sam-I-Ammarcelo-777: gre/vxlan?15:47
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dataSam-I-Am: I would prefer a working install guide, but there is not a single one I have found for a simple two compute node ml2/vxlan install15:48
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dataCommunicationError: Error finding address for http://icnals16.epfl.ch:9292//v1/images/6d50cd32-05e7-4c72-b7a6-43e446bc940c: HTTPConnectionPool(host='icnals16.15:48
dataepfl.ch', port=9292): Max retries exceeded with url: //v1/images/6d50cd32-05e7-4c72-b7a6-43e446bc940c (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 111] ECONNREFUSED)15:48
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data[glance]15:49
dataapi_servers = http://128.178.52.225:929215:49
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datawhy would it use icnals16 instaed of the ip address I am explicitly telling it to use?15:49
marcelo-777Sam-I-Am it is gre. is there some limitaiton?15:49
dataI have restarted nova-compute and I have told it explicitly to use that config file15:49
Sam-I-Ammarcelo-777: you need to reduce the mtu in your vm interfaces15:49
Sam-I-Ammarcelo-777: you can do it in the dhcp config, or try it manually first.15:49
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marcelo-777how can I do it in the dhcp config?15:50
Sam-I-Amdata: best option - use the official install guide. it references gre, but changing to vxlan is easy.15:50
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Sam-I-Amdata: at least you would have a working install to go from.15:50
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Sam-I-Amdata: i have no idea what icnals16 is15:51
datahostname of the compute node15:51
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Sam-I-Ammarcelo-777: google for 'neutron dhcp mtu'15:52
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marcelo-777Sam-I-Am you are amazing! I am many days working on it! It worked!!!15:53
marcelo-777Thank you a lot15:53
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dtrainor_bah.  wireless ate me.  sorry about that.15:55
dtrainor_and, wrong channel.  cool.15:55
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dtrainor_I can't find a link to which OS guest versions are supported.  Anyone mind helping me out for a sec?16:55
Sigma00openstack supports a variety of hypervisors... so go look at the support those hypervisors have16:55
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Sigma00you can run mostly everything16:55
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dtrainor_oh, didn't think of it that way, good point16:56
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dtrainor_so, while true, openstack would need to support it as well right?17:02
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georgem2dtrainor_:Openstack is an orchestration service, it only tell the hypervisor what to do17:15
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georgem2dtrainor_:s/tell/tells17:16
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dtrainor_i'm pretty familiar with it17:20
dtrainor_but if hvz supports OS foobar then it's going to need to know that it can send a request to build OS foobar on the hyper17:20
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larsksdtrainor_: Since the hypervisor is typically full hardware emulation, it can in theory boot pretty much any x86 OS.  openstack doesn't tell the hypervisor to "build OS foo", it says, "here's a disk image, now boot it"17:24
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Niks_best way of installation  openstack in single node? [22:54] <Niks_> devstack or any other method?17:25
larsksNiks_: devstack works.  If you're on fedora/centos, packstack works.  Other distros probably have their own distro-specific tools.17:26
larsksNiks_: There are also "how to install it by hand" guides on docs.openstack.org.17:26
Niks_i am using ubuntu 14.0417:27
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MilesDenverNIks_: Nothing is faster or more flexible than devstack to take a look at OpenStack17:28
Niks_one question, after installation , when i create the VM , how can i change the ip range (Public pool)17:28
Niks_Thanks Milesdenver17:29
Niks_i am new in openstack, i work on vmware17:29
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MilesDenverNiks_: There are a series of command: nova-manage floating create, nova floating-ip-create, etc… do a "nova help |grep float"17:31
MilesDenverand nova-manage the same way17:32
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Niks_ok thanks i need to try it off17:32
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MilesDenverniks: the docs mentioned above may have some instructions on setting that part up.17:33
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Niks_okay i will go through it thanks17:34
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Niks_i am beginer on openstack so is there any training  is available for openstack.. any pointer?17:37
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dtrainor_thanks for explaining larsks17:38
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MilesDenverNiks_ RedHat was pitching their training programs for OpenStack at the last conference.  I've no idea where you have to go, or if the training is good.17:40
MilesDenverpretty sure they will teach packstack.17:40
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daMaestromirantis has training programs too17:41
Niks_o a, om omdoa17:41
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Niks_I am in India.17:41
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kickinz1o/17:42
MilesDenverNiks_: The locations of trainings are rarely convienent for me.  I'd suggest you find local users groups.  meetup.com works for me.17:42
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kickinz1anyone can help me with nova python api, I'm trying to boot/create a server, can't find the right way to describe nics parameter....17:43
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kickinz1need the correct structure of:17:43
kickinz1        :param nics:  (optional extension) an ordered list of nics to be17:43
kickinz1                      added to this server, with information about17:43
kickinz1                      connected networks, fixed ips, port etc.17:43
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larskskickinz1: maybe this helps? https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/tests/v1_1/test_servers.py#L8217:48
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kickinz1larks: thanks that helped a lot, found this on shell.py also:17:51
kickinz1larsks: "Invalid nic argument '%s'. Nic arguments must be of "17:51
kickinz1                   "the form --nic <net-id=net-uuid,v4-fixed-ip=ip-addr,"17:51
kickinz1                   "port-id=port-uuid>, with at minimum net-id or port-id "17:51
kickinz1                   "specified."17:51
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kickinz1larsks: nic_info = {"net-id": "", "v4-fixed-ip": "", "port-id": ""}17:51
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kickinz1larsks, thanks I will try to remeber to check tests !17:52
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larskskickinz1: yeah, not just the tests, but the command line clients in general are a good source of examples.17:53
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fyb3rMy compliments to whomever wrote the python for horizon. The comments amazing18:00
fyb3rI expected to dig into them and have to sit and work it out myself lol.18:00
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Joseph_hi18:12
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Joseph_my dashboard has corrupted18:12
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Joseph_anyway to re install18:12
Joseph_i was try the below18:13
Joseph_sudo apt-get remove --purge  memcached libapache2-mod-wsgi openstack-dashboard18:13
Joseph_and try to install again seems same issues18:13
Joseph_getting internal error18:13
Joseph_any one help me ?18:13
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fyb3ryou might have to do the above to remove it18:16
fyb3rthen run apt-get autoclean afterwards18:16
fyb3rthen run find / -name openstack-dashboard and go through to delete those files,18:16
fyb3rmy 3rd step is a do at your own discretion though lol.18:16
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Joseph_let me try18:34
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Joseph_after re install seems to be ok18:51
Joseph_VNC is very slow18:51
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Joseph_any way to increase ?18:51
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Joseph_hi18:58
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fyb3rim just now getting into pulling the python apart to see the inner workings of it19:05
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Sue_Hi all, anyone have a project plan for implementing Openstack?19:35
Sue_aka an .mpp19:36
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Joseph_Yes i have ..19:38
Joseph_in production19:38
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dtrainor_Sam-I-Am, I don't know what the deal is, but horizon decided to work today20:17
dtrainor_weird.20:17
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muraikiwhen adding an ssh key via the api, is there a way to add the key to only a particular project? even though I used a project_id in the uri, it was added to all projects that user is a member of.20:30
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larsksmuraiki: "users" is a flat namespace -- a user can belong to multiple projects (and the corollary is that you can't have two users in different projects with the same name).20:39
larsksKeys identify a user, not a project.20:40
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muraikiI see. I was trying to make it so that a user belongs to multiple projects, but their uploaded keys are only valid for a particular project20:41
muraikiso that kind of thing is not possible20:42
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muraikibecause the keys go with the user, not the projects20:42
muraikiI guess I was thrown off because the API route requires a tenant_id, which is described as 'The ID for the tenant or account in a multi-tenancy cloud.'20:42
muraikithat made me think there was some way to do it20:43
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MilesDenvermuraiki: AFAIK, that's how it work.20:47
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muraikithank you both for your help20:49
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Joseph_gens20:56
Joseph_pls help on this20:56
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Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/88246/20:56
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kbringardthere's probably more info and/or a stacktrace in the API log20:57
kbringardwhich could shed more light on why it tossed the 50020:57
kbringardyou should be able to grep by req-$id20:57
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kbringardto quickly find it20:57
Joseph_to me ?20:57
kbringardJoseph_: yea20:58
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kbringardif there isn't, make sure you set Verbose = True and debug = True in your nova.conf, restart the APIs and run the command again20:58
Joseph_sorry , tell me again20:58
Joseph_its issues from nova ?20:58
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kbringardwell, it looks like the API call you are making is returning a 500 error20:58
kbringardwhich come from the remote API server20:59
Joseph_compute ?20:59
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kbringardso if you look at the remote API server's logs, it should have more info about what caused the 50020:59
Joseph_remote API located in compute ?20:59
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kbringardsure, wherever you're hosting it20:59
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Joseph_i am having 3 node21:00
kbringardyou can also try running your nova boot command again with the —debug flag21:00
Joseph_network , controlleter , compute21:00
kbringardit may give you more info about what's causing the 50021:00
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kbringardin that setup, it's *probably* controller21:00
kbringardbut, it's wherever the nova-api process is running21:00
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Joseph_nova boot -debug  --flavor Tiny --image cirros-0.3.2-x86_64 --nic net-id=40f14095-40b5-4c76-93bf-74e36d89249d   --security-group default --key-name demo-key demo-instance121:01
Joseph_this is correct ?21:01
kbringard- - debug (there are 2 dashes there like all the others21:01
kbringardmy chat client consolidates that into one dash, sorry21:02
Joseph_nop21:02
Joseph_let me try21:02
kbringardthen if you can pastebin the output (scrub it for passwords and stuff)21:02
kbringardhopefully it'll have a stack trace in it21:02
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Joseph_something wrong with my command  pls help21:05
Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/88251/21:05
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kbringardI think the debug needs to come before the boot, sorry21:06
kbringardso nova —debug boot ...21:06
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Joseph_yes sorry21:07
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Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/88253/21:09
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kbringardOK, so yea, that's not showing us the error nova is seeing21:11
kbringardso I'd hop on your controller, look at the nova-api.log (it's probably in /var/log/nova) and search for req-cd158281-fad7-468d-a924-0196e88f040a21:11
kbringardthere's probably a stack trace in there resulting in the 50021:11
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kbringardwhich should tell us why nova is complaining21:11
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Joseph_this issues from controller ?21:13
kbringardyea21:13
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Joseph_very strange :)21:18
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Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/88257/21:20
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Joseph_http://paste.openstack.org/show/88258/21:23
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Joseph_pls help21:24
kbringardso on the first one, this seems to be the issue: Caught error: Timed out waiting for a reply to message ID...21:24
Joseph_88257 ?21:24
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kbringardyea21:25
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Joseph_same time i try to capture the logs using the below command21:25
Joseph_ tail -f /var/log/{ceilometer,cinder,glance,keystone,mysql,neutron,nova,openvswitch,rabbitmq}/*.log /var/log/syslog21:25
Joseph_controller side seems all the service are running21:26
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Joseph_all the verification command are fine :)21:26
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Joseph_any thought pls ?21:30
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duranall i have a devstack networking issue.  can somebody help me.  I am using icehouse, with ml2 plugin enable.  openstack is stood up in virtual box with bridge adapter.21:33
kbringardnot sure it's an answer, but: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/33069/failed-to-create-instance-nova-api-error-timed-out/21:33
kbringardJoseph_: ^^21:33
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durandevstack is stood up my public and private networks are setup and instances launched with floating ips assigned.21:34
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duranbut i am not able to ping the internet or ping from outside to the instances21:34
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duranfrom instances, i can reach the br-ex routable ip21:35
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durani can see the arp request reach eth0 when i monitor eth0 with tcpdump21:36
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duranhas anybody enable devstack ml2 plugin with vlan driver type21:37
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Joseph_i am doing it all the way21:41
Joseph_will try21:41
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durananybody using devstack with ml2 plugin21:43
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jproulxl2population mechanism in icehouse doesn't seem to be working for me (all tunnels disappear even though some should be in use) have set ML2/ mechanism_drivers=openvswitch,l2population and OVS/l2_population=true as documented.23:03
jproulxIf I remove the l2populations stuff my fully meshed GRE tunneling works23:03
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jproulxanyone know what I'm missing there, or shall I just live with the full mesh rather than no mesh :)23:04
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