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| Sam-I-Am | KodiakF: thats been a known issue for a while | 15:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably wont be fixed | 15:05 |
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| KodiakF | boo! I searched a bit before filing | 15:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sometimes the search mechanism is meh :/ | 15:08 |
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| KodiakF | Sam-I-Am - went back and searched again (post tea) and found that a fix has been committed and will be merged soon! :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/cirros/+bug/1301958 | 15:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, thats good to know. i thought it just had a half-baked dhcp client. | 15:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | being tiny and all | 15:09 |
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| KodiakF | hella quiet for a Monday | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 16:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hows your stuff working? | 16:51 |
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| KodiakF | Swimmingly so far - I'm waiting on enterprise firewall updates to get others onto it and to pass iperf traffic for bandwidth testing. I'm going to look at tempest eventually | 16:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | iperf should be interesting | 16:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sticking with tunnel/overlay? | 16:53 |
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| KodiakF | Yep I'm finally somewhat comfortable with ML2, GRE, OVS | 16:54 |
| KodiakF | I'll probably push out the MTU on the physical (and ovs) network for cluster v2 so that we don't have to fiddle with MTU on the guests | 16:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | running jumbos on the physical network makes sense | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | not only less guest mtu problems, but you can get better bandwidth if you're running 10 gig | 16:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | remember to set the neutron virtual network components to mtu > 1500 otherwise they'll squish things | 16:59 |
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| georgem2 | Sam-I-Am:how much were you able to push on a 10 gig link? | 16:59 |
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| KodiakF | Exactly - I need to enumerate all of those locations for cluster v2 which will be 10gE | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | georgem2: i dont have numbers with openstack, but in general you need jumbo frames to push 10 gig | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | otherwise too much processing overhead | 17:00 |
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| KodiakF | Sam it was your guy Denton who's doing the Neutron book right? | 17:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 17:00 |
| georgem2 | Sam-I-Am:obsiously, but I was curious because I read that the max with openvswitch was like 2-3 Gig | 17:00 |
| KodiakF | Hopefully he addresses some of these tuning nuances | 17:00 |
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| KodiakF | georgem2: that due to the CPU? | 17:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | his book is not an openstack collaborative project | 17:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | georgem2: there's also linuxbridge | 17:01 |
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| georgem2 | KodiakF: I cannot remember, but if the cpu was the cause then that was fixes when openvswitch became multithreaded | 17:01 |
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| georgem2 | what are you guys using for monitoring? | 17:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | home grown | 17:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | zenoss might be interesting to make work with openstack | 17:03 |
| georgem2 | Sam-I-Am:yes, I agree | 17:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | ceilometer is meh | 17:04 |
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| KodiakF | Ceilometer so far, which is meh, but if I get time I'll probably make a Splunk app | 17:07 |
| georgem2 | Sam-I-Am:I was asking more about monitoring the infrastructure (compute, APIs, load, disk space, etc) | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | georgem2: oh. zenoss :) | 17:07 |
| KodiakF | Oh for that it's all Nagios here | 17:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | naggy-os :) | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i ran that for a while. not too bad. | 17:08 |
| KodiakF | Gotta use what the enterprise uses | 17:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | zenoss is pretty slick though | 17:08 |
| KodiakF | Is LogStash still recommended in the Openstack Ops guide? I've been looking for an excuse to try it out | 17:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | extensible with pseudo-python | 17:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | logstash is good | 17:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | iirc all of the ci stuff uses it | 17:09 |
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| KodiakF | It'd be a tough sell here - everyone is super in love with Splunk | 17:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | how about kibana and elasticsearch? | 17:09 |
| KodiakF | yea the elk stack thing | 17:10 |
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| KodiakF | haven't used it | 17:10 |
| georgem2 | thanks guys, how about deployment tool? | 17:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ansible | 17:11 |
| KodiakF | Ansible? shouldn't you be recommending RackSpace lol | 17:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that would be a deployment company :) | 17:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | which uses tools... | 17:11 |
| KodiakF | fair enough | 17:11 |
| KodiakF | Wish Redhat would light a fire on StayPuft | 17:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if you dont want to DIY, rackspace is a good choice. | 17:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | (openstack+deployment+monitoring+upgrades)*networking = a lot of things | 17:14 |
| KodiakF | This'll (Openstack, that is) be yet another technology where kids will start on it 5 years from now will wonder why the oldtimers ever thought it was tough to deal with since they'll all be starting with at least 4 mature deployment/management systems available | 17:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh | 17:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and people will still not understand networking | 17:14 |
| KodiakF | I still feel kind of like I got off easy by starting at Icehouse | 17:14 |
| KodiakF | I can't imagine having started at like diablo w/o neutron | 17:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | icehouse fixed a lot of things for newbs | 17:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the install guide works | 17:15 |
| KodiakF | lol | 17:15 |
| KodiakF | mostly | 17:15 |
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| KodiakF | I had to file a couple bugs against it for the RDO packages version of the install guide | 17:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if i had the time i'd deploy a test environment every time someone releases new packages or changes the guide | 17:16 |
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| KodiakF | One of these days I'll get set up to provide bugfixes to the docs | 17:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can help with that. plenty of things to fix. | 17:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | need more warm bodies. | 17:17 |
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| KodiakF | it's more a matter of just sitting down and getting set up - (that and I don't get docbook) | 17:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | docbook isnt as bad as it looks | 17:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | for minor changes you can generally copy whats been done | 17:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | key is building your code locally so you can check to breakage before submitting it | 17:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | and, if you're working on the install guide, a test env | 17:19 |
| KodiakF | That's what I plan on doing - I'm obviously not at the writing new docs level | 17:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | during the icehouse release cycle i had about 20 environments | 17:20 |
| KodiakF | meh that's what jenkins is for - at the local ostack meetup one of the foundation muckity mucks imparted a syntactical error during his live demo of updating the docs | 17:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | lots of permutations | 17:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i find building locally speeds the cycle up | 17:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | ci can be slow | 17:21 |
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| KodiakF | So the Splunk app catalog doesn't have anything for Openstack yet oddly enough - anyone here making their own Splunk apps / dashboards for Openstack? | 17:22 |
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| jidar | was there a live migraition from havanna to icehouse? or did it require downtime on some components | 17:47 |
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| KodiakF | jidar: I'm pretty sure I read that there was downtime involved | 17:49 |
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| jidar | hmm | 17:49 |
| jidar | it looks like from the ops guide it's just the network | 17:49 |
| jidar | http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/upgrades_havana-icehouse-rhel.html | 17:49 |
| KodiakF | I'm also pretty sure I read that even Icehouse to Juno will cause some downtime - something about the controller | 17:49 |
| jidar | The upgrade process interrupts management of your environment, including the dashboard. If you properly prepare for this upgrade, tenant instances continue to operate normally. However, instances might experience intermittent network interruptions while the Networking service rebuilds virtual networking infrastructure. | 17:49 |
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| KodiakF | doesn't sound like something I'd want to deal with | 17:51 |
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| jidar | hahaha | 17:53 |
| jidar | yea | 17:53 |
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| gaud | is it a common practice to use cloud-init to configure the VM's IP instead of DHCP ? | 18:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | jidar: heh, i wrote that stuff | 18:21 |
| jidar | yay! | 18:21 |
| jidar | Sam-I-Am: more docs more docs more docs! | 18:21 |
| jidar | Sam-I-Am: can you confirm it's true | 18:21 |
| jidar | hahahah | 18:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | the upgrade will interrupt some management stuff | 18:22 |
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| jidar | curious though, if upgradeing from 5->6 will my VMs be fine? | 18:23 |
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| jidar | I don't think the disk format or anything will change but will the libvirt/whatever stuff still work the same for them? | 18:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ovs->ml2 will interrupt connectivity because you're swapping the guts out | 18:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | but ml2->ml2 is ok | 18:32 |
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| jidar | and compute? | 18:34 |
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| sputnik13 | anyone know of a way to force libvirt to ignore a defunct process? | 18:49 |
| sputnik13 | we're seeing this more and more frequently where a kvm process goes defunct and libvirt has no way of recognizing the process is defunct and keeps trying to kill it | 18:50 |
| sputnik13 | then nova barfs on the floor because libvirt isn't killing a process, which happens to be defunct | 18:50 |
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| IRTermite | Want to know more about OpenStack Networking? Put this on pre-order now. I've been reading the drafts; it's pretty legit! https://twitter.com/IRTermite/status/503988305159913472 | 19:44 |
| jidar | is that spam? | 19:44 |
| jidar | :/ | 19:44 |
| IRTermite | nope | 19:45 |
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| IRTermite | just helpin | 19:45 |
| IRTermite | One of our guys is writing a book on OpenStack Networking. Something that seems to be lacking. | 19:45 |
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| jidar | is it Sam-I-Am? | 19:47 |
| jidar | because I'm all over this if that's the case | 19:47 |
| tkramer | grate out | 19:47 |
| tkramer | sww | 19:47 |
| IRTermite | jidar: hah, nah, not Sam-I-Am, but he's pretty awesome too. This is the soft-spoken James Denton, our OpenStack Network Architect. | 19:48 |
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| IRTermite | /wave jthorne | 19:49 |
| jthorne | IRTermite: word | 19:50 |
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| KodiakF | ]IRTermite: It's already on my amazon wish list | 19:57 |
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| IRTermite | awesome! KodiakF | 19:57 |
| * KodiakF wishes it needed more advance proofers | 19:57 | |
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| snowgust | IRTermite: is there going to be a kindle version? | 20:05 |
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| IRTermite | Hah, snowgust, someone here at work just asked the same thing. I'm not sure to be honest. Hope so. I want a hardback. | 20:07 |
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| IRTermite | KodiakF our entire team has a copy to proof. ;) | 20:09 |
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| palendae | IRTermite: One for all of us? Like the Millenium Falcon set? | 20:11 |
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| IRTermite | if only | 20:12 |
| KodiakF | IRTermite: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-EEKvirE51N0/U_uYleQd7SI/AAAAAAAAWZ8/fIUVRp4RCw8/w1138-h910-no/neutronbook.jpg | 20:12 |
| IRTermite | boom! | 20:12 |
| KodiakF | s/my/my company/g | 20:12 |
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| IRTermite | hah | 20:13 |
| IRTermite | right?! | 20:13 |
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| KodiakF | October is soooo far | 20:14 |
| KodiakF | Packt has the ebook direct here btw https://www.packtpub.com/virtualization-and-cloud/learning-openstack-networking-neutron | 20:15 |
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| IRTermite | 'OpenSource' at the speed of publishing. ;) | 20:15 |
| IRTermite | oh, good find | 20:15 |
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| d_w | KodiakF: for which version is it? havana? | 20:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | IRTermite: so you're telling me i'm outspoken? :) | 20:37 |
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| IRTermite | hah, hrm... if you look at it that way, sure? | 20:38 |
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| jidar | ah, I was hoping for it on safari | 20:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | IRTermite: you said denton was soft-spoken, so i was playing on it | 20:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | irc is bad for funnies :/ | 20:42 |
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| IRTermite | indeed, I followed. no worries | 20:46 |
| IRTermite | i was chuckling, pro-mice! | 20:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 20:47 |
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| jidar | you're being shown up man | 20:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | jidar: no book from me yet, although i could get close by parsing the history of this channel | 20:49 |
| jidar | we're all going to write networking books for openstack :P | 20:49 |
| jidar | hahaha | 20:49 |
| ekarlso | any of you doing BGP w l3 nodes ? | 20:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | ekarlso: not with neutron | 20:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i have done l3 vpns with bgp | 20:50 |
| ekarlso | w openstack ? | 20:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | no | 20:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | there was some talk about neutron doing those someday. probably a blueprint somewhere. | 20:51 |
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| ajo__ | sounds reasonable | 21:07 |
| ajo__ | lol... not here | 21:07 |
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