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larsksvt101: still looking for help with heat templates?02:03
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larsksvt101: if yes, check out https://github.com/larsks/rdo-hangout-heat-intro/, which includes some sample templates that might help out.02:18
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vt101larsks: Thanks, that will help in general, although I don't see a floating IP example in there.02:45
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larsksvt101: uhhh...just about every template has a floating ip in it.  Like this one:02:46
larskshttps://github.com/larsks/rdo-hangout-heat-intro/blob/master/templates/wp-naive.yaml02:46
vt101Huh, sorry-- I used github search for float and it returned nothing02:46
larsksPretty much all of the "wp-*.yaml" ones.02:46
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vt101Theat's great larsks, I will give it a look in the mornig.  Heading to bed now.  Thanks a lot!!02:47
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vt101and FWIW the float search fails but floating gets hits...I'll use that in the future02:48
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neeleshgHi06:41
neeleshgI want to configure Cloud with Live Migration and Hardware High Availability06:41
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neeleshgWhen I searched over internet I found that it is not possible in Openstack06:42
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neeleshgIs it possible to configure Hardware HA and VM's Live Migration in Openstack ?  in O06:43
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neeleshgAlso Is Auto Scalling possible in OpenStack ?06:45
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SamYapleVM live migration is a feature that Openstack supports for KVM (and possibly xen and hyper0v, haven;t check)06:45
neeleshgI am planning to use KVM06:46
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SamYapleAuto scaling stuff can be done via Heat06:47
SamYapleHardware HA is kind of opposite the goals of openstack06:48
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SamYapleThe application should survive the failure of an instance06:48
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neeleshgThat means I have to manually configure HA for each component ?06:49
SamYapleneeleshg: That is what gives Openstack its scalability.06:50
SamYapleI wouldnt recommend manual configuration, there are many automated deployment tools06:50
SamYapleincluding for adding nodes06:51
neeleshgCan you give me recommendation on which tools ?06:51
neeleshgI know one is MaaS06:52
neeleshgin Ubuntu06:52
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neeleshgone Last question.. Is it possible to have Grid computing like feature in Openstack Cloud ?06:53
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SamYapleMaaS is more for the initial hardware kick. But Juju can do what we are talking about06:53
neeleshgYes Juju, I have seen that in Ubuntu installation06:53
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neeleshggreat06:54
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neeleshgFor eg. If I have 5 nodes with Quad core Processors and 4 GB RAM each.. then Can I Launch instance with 8 GB of RAM and 16 Core CPU ?06:55
SamYapleNo It wont work like that06:55
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SamYapleYou can launch 4 instances and have them communicating however06:56
neeleshgok..06:57
neeleshgSamYaple: Thanks06:57
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neeleshgVery nice information06:59
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SamYapleanytime06:59
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martinus__Hi there, I am running Grizzly and it seems my /dev/random pool gets exausted when running tomcat 7/8... I want to use haveged or something on the host so guests VM got a better pool. How do I do that ?07:31
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martinus__anybody or there are 852 idle-ing users here ? :D07:36
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SamYaplemartinus__: is your question how to you haveged?07:38
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SamYapleyou use*07:39
martinus__SamYaple, my question is how to make the GUEST VMs to access the HOST random source07:39
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martinus__currently , /dev/random on GUESTs is clearly (somehow) isolated from the HOST random source07:41
SamYaplePretty sure qemu does that by default07:42
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SamYapleactually i think it might be a guest module07:42
martinus__SamYaple, thanks. Because I sometime got /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail exausted on the guest while the host isn't07:43
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SamYapleHere is what you want http://varadgautam.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/dieharder-tests-on-a-qemu-vm-1-setup/07:44
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SamYaplelots of moving pieces though. Modifying the libvirt.xml.template, adding a device, adding some tools in the guest vm07:44
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SamYapleFor paravirtualization it seems to pass it through by default if you have the appropriate module, but it makes sense that it cant do that for HVM07:45
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martinus__SamYaple, I was hoping for a simple solution ;)07:48
martinus__SamYaple, thanks for the link. What's the module you speak about ?07:48
martinus__SamYaple, maybe the guest vm gets only a part of the pool available on the host07:50
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OutBackDingomartinus__: 849 of us are idling :)07:52
martinus__OutBackDingo,  :)07:52
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martinus__SamYaple, anyway the host runs grizzly and an older qemu version (<1.3)07:52
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martinus__these randomness issue is a pain07:52
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SamYaplesooooo haveged inside the guests? I am not really seeing an issue07:54
SamYapleAlso, youll probably be better off using /dev/urandom instead of random07:55
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martinus__SamYaple, to my understanding it is not as secure but... I could use urandom instead yes07:56
SamYapleif youre using haveged to generate randomness, just use urandom.07:57
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martinus__SamYaple, are you saying that running haveged is as secure as using urandom ? I'm not sure to understand.08:01
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SamYapleI am saying the only attacks that could possibly come from urandom is when you run out of entropy (urandom will still give you output, random will block). Use haveged and urandom and youll never have an issue.08:05
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martinus__SamYaple, thanks.08:20
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QlawyWhat I need to set in keystone/heat conf file to get autoscalling work? Now i have Auth failed from ec2tokens10:34
Qlawyfrom both v2.0 and v3 api10:34
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Qlawy<ErrorResponse><Error><Message>User is not authorized to perform action</Message><Code>AccessDenied</Code><Type>Sender</Type></Error></ErrorResponse>10:35
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QlawyI have my auth_uri=http://keystone:5000/<version>10:35
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SamYapleport 35357 is the admin port10:38
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Qlawyshould I set 35357?10:38
SamYapleYou can try it, it is safe for all actions10:38
Qlawysame result10:39
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SamYapleYour user has the appropriate roles for whatever you are doing?10:39
QlawyHmm I trying to (auto)sale up my stack to check if it is working10:39
Qlawyheat was able to create stack10:40
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Qlawyit returns me rather long link to scaleup where I should send PUT request10:40
QlawyI do this (using curl) and I have that error as response10:41
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QlawyThis is what I found in keystone.log EC2 signature not supplied10:46
Qlawy Authorization failed. KS-D32E800 KS-D32E800 EC2 signature not supplied.10:46
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awmhttp://ohjp.teresnab.ru/84247/r1586154/ ðåàëüíû çàðîáîòîê äëÿ òåáÿ áåç âëîæåíèé)12:06
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DHEif I turn a volume snapshot into a new volume, said new volume has no dependency on the snapshot, correct?12:28
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ktaubein heat is it possible to do some scaling action only if multiple alarms are active? For example, if alarm1 is active AND alarm2, only then triger scaling.12:30
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pfreund_I'm looking for a heat template with a designate ressource, do you know where I can find one ?12:34
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tomixxx7hi, can openstack also be installed on windows?13:40
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jetoleGood morning. When I try to create a empty volume on horizon it works fine but when I try to create a volume from a image on horizon it errors. Looking at the logs, cinder appears to be trying to connect to the glance-api on the computer nodes which I don't have glance-api running on the compute nodes. Should I have glance-api running on compute nodes or is this caused by an issue on the controller13:42
jetolep.s. I'm using ceph13:42
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tomixxx7am i right that it is not possible to install openstack on a windows operation system? (not a problem tough, i just want do know it :-)13:56
larskstomixxx7: That's correct, openstack cannot be installed on windows (but you *can* use HyperV as a hypervisor)13:57
DHEthat's a bit surprising since it's just python, right? maybe you could install some of the API apps on it? obviously not everything but bits of it...13:58
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tomixxx7@larsks: ok, thank you!13:58
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nittiis it just me or does spicehtml5proxy just not want to be behind a load balancer14:55
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eflynn_i’m having trouble getting the guestbook example working, this is on gce15:59
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sneezewortHello all. I have a network question. For some reason I have to shutdown then start up any newly created instance to get to them from a the public IP.16:04
sneezewortAny idea what this might be?16:05
eflynnsneezewort: what provider16:05
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eflynnah sorry, wrong channel16:05
sneezeworteflynn, What do you mean?16:05
eflynnsneezewort: i thought i was in #google-containers16:06
sneezeworteflynn, OK.16:06
eflynnsneezewort: but i do know about openstack16:06
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eflynnsneezewort: how do you “get to them"16:06
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sneezewortThey are not pingable until I completely shut them down then start them up again.16:07
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eflynnsneezewort: do you have ICMP open in the security group?16:07
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sneezeworteflynn, yes.16:07
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sneezewortIts like the upstream switches don't recognize the new public IP until I do a reboot.16:08
eflynnsneezewort: does this happen when you first start an instance?16:08
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eflynnsneezewort: are you running neutron?16:09
sneezeworteflynn, yes. I can get to them with a private IP, but when I assign a public IP it does not work until I shutdown\restart.16:09
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ErwanJloopback--vRouter1<--LoopbackIPs exchanged over OSPF over neutron subnet between both vRouters-->vRouter2--loopback2     -------- can't ping between loopbacks even tho OSPF is full and both loopbacks have been exchanged with each vRouter...neutron, openvswitch plugin with vxlan tunnels.   Seems like iptables doesn't like not knowing the source IP (being the loopback when pinging)  any ideas on how to allow this?16:09
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sneezeworteflynn, Reboots don't resolve this either. Only shutdown\startup.16:10
eflynnsneezewort: what do the logs say16:10
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sneezeworteflynn, Nothing that seems to be a problem. This is why I am wondering if there is some problem with the upstream switches.16:13
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sneezewortCould this be a problem with ARP cache?16:18
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sneezewortDoes Neutron do a gratuitous ARP when you add a associate a public IP?16:19
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geaaruhi, i receive this error: Failed to copy metadata to volume: Glance metadata for volume ... when i try to create a volume from a snapshot but snapshot is relative to volume not create by an image16:21
geaaruso is correct that doesn't have a glance metadata16:21
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geaaruwhere are save this data about glance on cinder database ? thanks in advance16:24
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_Joshua__hi guys.  i'm trying to get a VM to pxeboot within openstack.  There doesn't seem to be any option for this.  Is there a trick to this?16:52
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MilesDenver_Joshua_ I think it's a bit complicated.  I heard, somewhere about this, but didn't find it with a quick search16:54
MilesDenverhttps://ask.openstack.org/en/question/43289/pxetftp-boot-vm-instance-within-openstack/16:54
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MilesDenverhttp://serverfault.com/questions/469479/does-nova-support-pxe-boot16:55
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Sam-I-Amwhy not just use cloud images?17:02
Sam-I-Ampxe is for hardware17:02
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DHElazy solution to an existing "build servers via pxe" system you already have17:06
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_Joshua__Sam-I-Am: cloud image?  that sounds like an interesting alternative.17:11
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DHEservers are cloned from a disk image. it's the standard way to make instances17:12
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_Joshua__DHE: cool.  let me look into that.  i think it will make my life easier17:13
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Sam-I-Amits "the cloudy way"17:15
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ErwanJIs there a neutron specific channel?17:17
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Sam-I-Amfor devel, but not support17:20
Sabriin00balert here: I'm following the icehouse installation guide (Ubuntu version), step by step, and now I'm getting "ImportError: cannot import name messaging" when running cinder-manage db sync. Any hints? Obviously I googled, but that led me here.17:20
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Sam-I-AmSabrii: what ver of openstack?17:21
Sam-I-AmSabrii: and are you using packages on ubuntu or something else?17:21
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SabriiI'm using packages, and I believe this is Icehouse17:22
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MilesDenverSabrii: I'm not sure what instructions your are following.  I just tried to find them and there seems to be more than one set.17:23
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MilesDenvermaybe here — http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/apt/content/cinder-controller.html17:24
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SabriiI'm right here: http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/apt/content/cinder-controller.html, step 417:24
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Sabrii(although I'm using the PDF version)17:24
Sam-I-AmSabrii: did the previous steps work for other services?17:24
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Sam-I-Aman import issue is usually a python dependency problem17:25
Sabriiyes17:25
Sam-I-Amwhich should not happen with packages17:25
Sabriiyeah, I reckoned that, but I'm a python noob as well17:25
SabriiI did have another issue where I had import issues, but got that resolved17:25
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Sabriiin that case, this was the fix:   188  cp -a /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/oslo/rootwrap/ /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/oslo17:25
Sam-I-Amhmmmm17:25
Sam-I-Amsomething is odd there17:25
Sam-I-Amwhat ver of ubuntu and what repo for packages?/17:26
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Sabriiubuntu 14.04 LTS, and the built-in repo17:26
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SabriiI didn't need to add any, according to the manual17:27
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Sam-I-Amnope17:27
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Sam-I-Ambut nothing should be looking in /usr/local17:27
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Sabriiperhaps I should copy /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/oslo/messaging to /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/oslo?17:28
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DHEI wrote my own Cinder driver using ZFS on Linux. Question: When a snapshot is converted into a full volume, there's no dependency on the snapshot, correct? The snapshot can be deleted freely?17:28
Sabriiactually, let me try that, I can always rm it17:28
jgriffithDHE: correct17:29
DHEdamn...17:29
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jgriffithDHE: volumes created from SnapShots are required to be "independent"17:29
SabriiHA, that fixed it17:29
DHEdisappointing...17:29
* Sabrii makes a mental note17:29
MilesDenverSabrii: I'm making a mental note too.  Well done.17:30
Sam-I-AmSabrii: not sure why your system is looking in /usr/local for dependencies17:30
Sam-I-Amthis is a very bad thing17:31
DHEit suggests python2.7 was installed from source rather than a distro package17:31
Sam-I-Ameither you're using a venv or something tweaked your python config17:31
Sam-I-Amor that..17:31
DHEmaybe...17:31
SabriiSam-I-Am: this is a fresh install on a lab machine specifically to familiarize myself with Openstack17:31
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Sabriiso far, I just installed Ubuntu and followed the Icehouse manual17:32
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Sam-I-Amdid you install from iso?17:32
Sabriiyep17:32
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Sabriiit's actually a VM17:33
Sam-I-Amany automated deployment?17:33
Sabriinope, all manual17:33
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Sam-I-Amhmm17:33
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Sabriicould be just Ubuntu-ism17:34
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Sam-I-Amits not17:34
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Sam-I-Amlooking at my ubuntu box, i have nothing but a directory structure in /usr/local for python17:35
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Sabriihmm interesting17:35
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Sabriiperhaps this messed it up:   164  apt-get install python-oslo.rootwrap17:36
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Sam-I-Amthat should have been installed as a dependency17:36
SabriiI did that when nova-api failed to start, complaining about a missing rootwrap17:36
Sabriihmm, I should have logged everything I did17:37
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Sabriiwell, I'm going to do it again soon anyway, so if it happens again I'll capture everything and if it's a doc-bug I'll file it17:37
Sam-I-Amsomething definitely isnt right17:37
Sabriilet's assume PEBKAC for now17:37
Sam-I-Ami maintain the installation guide17:38
Sam-I-Ami just installed a few days ago17:38
Sabriiwell, let me tell you something17:38
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Sabriimany large companies can learn a lot from you17:38
Sabriimost tech-docs are horrible17:38
Sabriibut this actually works quite well17:39
Sam-I-Amthe install guide used to be horrible17:39
Sam-I-Amits come a long way17:39
Sam-I-Amand still has a long way to go17:39
Sabriiit works pretty well so far17:39
MilesDenverThanks, Sam-I-Am.  You are right, it was horrible17:39
Sabriianyway, I'm off to the DMV, be back in a bit17:39
Sam-I-Amooooo exciting17:39
Sam-I-Amdmv vs. configuring neutron ... discuss.17:39
Sam-I-Ami'm working on updating the guide for juno now17:40
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ErwanJAnyone here have experience with trying to run a vRouter over an openvswitch neutron subnet?   Two vRouters on the same neutron subnet, can establish ospf adjacency and exchange loopback IPs..but can't ping Loopback IPs from one vRouter to another....seems like underlying IPtables doesn't like the source IP being unknown to it..  THis is default openvswitch plugin with VXLAN tunnels.18:07
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Sam-I-Amneutron applies a mac/ip rule per interface18:08
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Sam-I-Amso you can't send things it doesnt know about18:08
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ErwanJRIght so there is no way to make this work?  Adding the subnet of the loopbacks on the network, would this help?18:11
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Sam-I-Amthere must be a way to make it work since thereis a FWaaS option somewhere18:12
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Sam-I-Amand that would have to allow other mac/ip combos18:12
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ErwanJYeah I'll take a look into that - thanks18:13
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not_quack_quackhi folks18:23
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not_quack_quacki'm trying to find more information on swift318:24
not_quack_quackand specifically, why was it removed from the openstack project18:24
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notmynamenot_quack_quack: hi, I can help answer that, i hope18:24
not_quack_quacknotmyname: :)18:25
notmynamenot_quack_quack: there are two main things that contributed to having it removed18:25
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notmynamenot_quack_quack: well, actually, it may be able to be simplified down to one thing18:25
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notmynamenot_quack_quack: basically, it's very hard for us (swift devs) to maintain and test the swift3 code. so to remove complexity from the swift codebase, it was removed18:26
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not_quack_quackok gotcha18:26
notmynamenot_quack_quack: also, openstack in general has agreed to keep openstack APIs in the source tree, and leave others external18:27
notmynamenot_quack_quack: so yeah, those are the two reasons :-)18:27
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not_quack_quacknotmyname: so the stackforge project is now the official repo for swift318:27
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notmynamenot_quack_quack: yes, I believe that is the case. the move to stackforge happened recently. before that, it was on github18:28
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not_quack_quackit was kinda confusing.  I had thought swift3 had been abandoned because the last checkin was in 2013 or something18:28
not_quack_quackand I only just tripped over it in stackforge18:29
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not_quack_quackthanks for the answers!18:29
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visualneDoes anyone know if you can most to the metadata api endpoint associated with a vm. After the vm has been spun up. In other words I want to update the metadata after the vm has been spun up19:24
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visualneI want to post to this endpoint http://169.254.169.254/latest/user-data19:26
visualneafter the fact19:26
visualnehow do I do it19:26
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bennerhi19:36
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Sabriire19:48
Sabriitip of the day: if you need to go to the DMV, make an appointment19:49
Sabriiin and out in 20 minutes19:49
Sabriifirst time ever19:49
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sc`especially in the LA area19:52
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SabriiI'm in San Jose, but I promise you, that's horrible as well19:54
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evilkryanyone know how to completly delete bridges with ovs-vsctl ?  I delete my bridges and they keep coming back19:55
sc`Sabrii: haven't been to the DMV here in the bay area yet, but given that it's california, I assume the same as LA19:56
Sabriievilkry: del-br?19:57
evilkryyeah I have done that..  but in a few seconds they show back up again19:57
evilkryit's bizarre19:57
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Sabrii[root@xen1 ~]# ovs-vsctl add-br test19:58
Sabrii[root@xen1 ~]# ovs-vsctl del-br test19:58
Sabriithis works for me19:58
evilkryI'll delete it..  then ovs-vsctl shows it's gone.. then the Port comes back again that is associated with what I deleted19:59
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Sabriisc`: given the horrible traffic situation in LA, I can only imagine it being bad there indeed19:59
Sabriievilkry: the port or the bridge?19:59
Sabriiyou would typically add ports to bridges19:59
sc`Sabrii: having lived in both areas now, I have to say the bay area is the worst by far19:59
Sabriiso the port won't go away20:00
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Sabriisc`: I am in the lucky position of spending half my time in San Jose and half my time in Carlsbad20:00
sc`oof20:00
Sabriiand I commute by motorcycle... I-5 galore20:00
evilkryso when I delete the port, then I delete the bridge20:00
SabriiI'm actually avoiding I-5 in LA now, I take 40520:00
evilkrythey come back20:00
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Sabriievilkry: the bridge should not be coming back20:00
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Sabriiunless you have another process that is creating it20:01
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SabriiI once flew by airplane, rented a C172 on Reid-Hillview Airport and flew to Carlsbad20:01
Sabriibut that didn't really matter20:01
Sabriiit saved me no time but was way more expensive20:01
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evilkrySabrii: for example:  i'll ovs-vsctl del-port gre-0a00011f20:03
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evilkryit will show gone20:04
evilkrya few seconds later its back on a show20:04
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Sabriievilkry: what kind of box are you running this one?20:04
Sabriibecause that smells like it's auto-generated20:05
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evilkryI have 3 nodes, controller, network, and compute... i'm runnning all three in virtualbox20:05
evilkryas a lab20:05
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Sabriiso you're running this on the compute and/or network node?20:05
evilkryyeah iu'm on my network node trying to clear up all my ports and brdges to create clean20:06
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evilkryI assumed I just needed to delete the ports, then the bridges20:07
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Sabriibut if they are provisioned, they will be auto-created20:07
SabriiI'm too new to openstack to tell you how to deprovision this...20:07
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evilkryhmm.. this may be coming from my ml2 plugins conf file20:09
evilkryha!20:09
evilkryit's is :-)20:09
evilkry /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini20:10
evilkryto be exact20:10
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Sabriicool20:17
Sabriievilkry: solved :)20:17
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Sabriihow do I get my compute node to register itself with my controller?22:27
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Sam-I-Amthey should automatically if configured correctly22:28
Sabriithen I made a boo-boo22:28
SabriiI'll check the configs22:28
Sam-I-Amif not, check the logs for rabbit errors22:28
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Sabriiok22:28
Sam-I-Amthats usually the case22:28
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Sabriibtw, I have a bit of a comment on the docs22:29
Sabriilike I said, in general they are very good22:29
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Sabriithe only thing that perhaps potentially could be slightly optimized22:29
Sabriiis the part where you go back and forth into the same config22:29
Sabriia good example is the section of "Block Storage"22:29
Sabriistep 2 edits cinder.con22:30
Sabrii*cinder.conf22:30
Sabriistep 3 does mysql22:30
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Sabriistep 6 edits cinder.conf again under [keystone_authtoken]22:30
Sabriiand then step 7 does [default] again (like in step 2)22:30
SabriiI'd recommend considering to adjust the order of steps where possible22:31
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Sabriioh, btw: user error indeed.22:34
SabriiI didn't configure rabbit in nova.conf on the compute node22:35
Sam-I-Amthere's some reason to the ordering of config file edits22:35
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Sam-I-Amwe found out its better to group the same types of things together rather than doing them in the order of the config file22:36
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Sam-I-Ambecause the config files are inconsistently ordered22:36
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Sabriiwell, it did make sense from that perspective indeed22:36
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Sabriiand it gives me a good understanding of what's happening under the hood22:37
Sam-I-Ameach services uses the same order for configuring stuff22:37
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Sabriihmm22:38
Sabriiso now I did get to the "build" part and my compute node is visible22:38
Sabriibut my first instance errors with: Error: Failed to launch instance "Testing 1": Please try again later [Error: No valid host was found. ].22:39
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Sabriiahaa, nova-compute.log on the compute node is complaining22:40
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Sabrii2014-10-06 15:38:03.610 2107 TRACE nova.compute.manager [instance: c9bc7c01-3214-45b0-b519-5ca47debeed7] NovaException: Unexpected vif_type=binding_failed22:40
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Sabriianyone care to hit me with the cluestick? here are logs: http://paste.openstack.org/show/119161/22:41
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Sam-I-Amprobably a network config error22:42
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Sabriithat's what it looks like indeed22:42
Sabriiwhich would be quite silly, considering that I should know networking at least a little bit22:43
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Sam-I-Amneutron? nova-net?22:57
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Sam-I-Amnot exactly a network config error, but a config error in the service running your network22:57
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Sabriiyep, user error once more22:57
Sabriilooks like it's working after I fixed the config22:57
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Sam-I-Amits easy to make config mistakes, and openstack doesn't really validate config files22:57
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Sabriiallright, I have my first instance launched22:58
Sam-I-Ampretty much starts up and breaks in some interesting way22:58
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Sabriilet's celebrate this milestone with an e-beer!22:58
* Sabrii toasts with Sam-I-Am 22:58
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evilkrye-beers!22:59
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Sabriiso, what I did is get all services in one VM, except for the compute node which runs on separate iron23:01
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ErwanJSo my issue earlier with running vRouters and not being able to ping loopbacks was due to anti spoofing which is enabled by default....anyone know of a way to disable this via neutron?23:28
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