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| smoo | Hiya | 00:10 |
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| smoo | The earlier bit was a wrong window scenario | 00:11 |
| smoo | I'm ploughing through Icehouse on CentOS 6.5 again. Any chance you could help me with something? | 00:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably | 00:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | be a few mins... getting dinner together | 00:12 |
| smoo | On this page http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/yum/content/neutron-ml2-network-node.html at the "To configure the Open vSwitch (OVS) Servoce | 00:13 |
| smoo | No worries | 00:13 |
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| smoo | Not sure about Step 4. ovs-vsctl add-port br-ex INTERFACE_NAME. | 00:15 |
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| smoo | eth0 is on 10.0.0.21, eth1 is on 10.0.1.21, eth2 is has no IP. I added an extra interface - eth3 - which is attached to my home network | 00:16 |
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| smoo | What should I be setting ovs-vsctl port to? I originally set it to eth3, but then I lost connection to the network node | 00:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what are you using eth2 for? | 00:23 |
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| smoo | Nothing. I added it as per the diagram http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/yum/content/basics-networking-neutron.html | 00:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | eth2 is typically the interface that connects to the external network | 00:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | eth1 for tunnels, eth0 for management | 00:24 |
| smoo | Right | 00:24 |
| smoo | So if I linked OVS to eth3, it should be the same deal? | 00:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure. you just have an extra interface. | 00:25 |
| smoo | So is that connection going offline once I added the OVS bridge normal? | 00:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you should be connected to the network node through the management network, so messing with br-ex shouldnt affect connectivity. however, if you only have one way in and it isnt the management network, you're drifting from the example arch | 00:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did you have an ip on eth3? | 00:27 |
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| smoo | Yeah, assigned to my home network | 00:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | how are you getting into the other nodes? | 00:28 |
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| smoo | The 3 nodes are VMs under ESXi. As well as the example arch in the docs, I added an extra NIC which was attached to my home network on each node | 00:30 |
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| smoo | Couldnt work out how to get at them otherwise. Cant ping 10.0.0.21 from my PC, for example | 00:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, you'd need support for multiple networks on your home network | 00:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | or some sort of router | 00:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can move the ip from eth3 to br-ex | 00:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | that will restore connectivity | 00:31 |
| smoo | So, ovs-vsctl add-port br-ex eth3 is what I did earlier. How do I do that other bit? | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1034476 | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wrote up a bug because the rdo docs didnt cover it | 00:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in general the docs for network scripts in redhat are poor | 00:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in your case you could easily just use one network for everything with some minor tweaks to the instructions | 00:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the tunnel network is entirely internal, so that one could stick around | 00:38 |
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| smoo | Well that definitely fixed that issue. Thanks! | 00:41 |
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| smoo | I've seen reference to that bug in a few places but never made the link before now. Thanks for explaining it | 00:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | np | 00:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | now if someone would fix the official docs :) | 00:43 |
| smoo | I've literally lost complete days on this | 00:44 |
| smoo | I'm using that IBM software so flitting between their meagre docs and the official ones and if something wasnt working, I didnt know which tio balme] | 00:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | iheh | 00:46 |
| smoo | I like that the offical docs are pretty unambiguous throughout | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, i lost a month when i did my first install | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | back about a year ago | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | actually, things werent really bad until i got to neutron | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | which was the key component of my project | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | i filed a lot of bugs on the docs, eventually someone asked me to help patch them and that led to more or less rewriting the installation guide from the ground up | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | now it works | 00:48 |
| smoo | I said this to you before, it's an excellent piece of documetation for something that has a lot of new concepts and a lot of moving parts | 00:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, its hard to make it look easy | 00:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | the next step is building a networking guide since thats a particularly big hangup | 00:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | just a matter of finding time | 00:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | here's the plans: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NetworkingGuide/TOC | 00:51 |
| smoo | Really interesting to see the difference between the last time I did this and now. 1st time was just a cut and paste extravaganza and when it didnt work, I had no idea. I made a couple of typos this time around and manage to work out from the logs what I'd done wrong. | 00:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | consistency with configuration sections among services helps too | 00:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | you know that just about every service has the same xyz things to do | 00:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | create the db, configure keystone bits, install packages, configure packages (database, rabbitmq, keystone bits), etc | 00:53 |
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| smoo | I think the hard bit is condensing fundamental networking concepts to a layman in an easy fashion. Something that people base a career on put into something easy to understand.. is not easy. The ML2 plug-in section on that link you posted is a prime example | 00:54 |
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| smoo | Cut and paste has been downfall both times. It's difficult to maintain your attention for x hours and then noticing you should have replaced NOVA_PASS with your password | 00:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | most people who arrive at openstack come from a sysadmin background which more or less consists of configuring an interface on a box and letting the network guy handle the rest. most people with network experience havent done routing/switching/firewalling and "magic" on linux. | 00:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron is fairly easy once you figure out that it just emulates hardware network components in software. | 00:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | namespaces, bridges, veth pairs... all have parallels in real networks. | 00:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | the beginning of the network guide will explain these parallels | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | with diagrams and stuff | 00:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this might be helpful, although it uses linuxbridge instead of ovs: | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | http://docs.rackspace.com/rpc/api/v9/bk-rpc-installation/content/sec_overview_neutron.html | 00:57 |
| smoo | Diagrams are good | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | ovs is a bit more complex than linuxbridge, but in general both function as switches. | 00:58 |
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| smoo | That underlines a real problem for someone new to the networking side. So many guides refer to x plug-in or y component (qpid vs rabbit). If you're just trying to understand the concept, you dont know if x is better than y, or z will fix your issue | 01:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, its all about choice with openstack. | 01:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which also makes it more complex | 01:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | the installation guide tries to pick the easiest or most common stuff | 01:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | i want to change it to use linuxbridge, but not getting a lot of love for it | 01:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | conceptually, linuxbridge is a lot easier to grasp | 01:01 |
| smoo | Than OVS? | 01:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | that link i posted is linuxbridge | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | here's the ovs equivalent: | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | https://openstack.redhat.com/Networking_in_too_much_detail | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | ovs has more moving parts and its internals are difficult to explain | 01:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | when it works, its fine. when it doesnt work, it really sucks. | 01:04 |
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| smoo | Yeah, that redhat one will need a pot of coffee and a few hours | 01:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 01:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | or scotch | 01:09 |
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| smoo | Bah. Must have made a type somewhere. | 01:18 |
| smoo | 014-10-19 00:32:04.218 3022 ERROR neutron.openstack.common.rpc.impl_qpid [req-dd38c98c-9fa3-4a02-a13a-a78db9ca98a1 None] Unable to connect to AMQP server: [Errno -2] Name or service not known. Sleeping 1 seconds | 01:18 |
| smoo | from /var/log/neutron on the network node | 01:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 01:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | rabbit_host or name resolution is broken | 01:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | also make sure the firewall is off | 01:21 |
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| smoo | That's a bingo. qpid_hostname = control | 01:24 |
| smoo | Another bad cut and paste | 01:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | er, right... icehouse uses qpid on rhel | 01:24 |
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| frayz | is it recommended that i use a separate NIC + IP address each for br-int, br-tun, and br-ext? i'm wondering whether it would be possible (or even advisable) to use a single IP address for all 3 for a small private cloud | 05:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | frayz: thats not how it works | 12:29 |
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| xhu | hi, Is there any one here? | 12:56 |
| xhu | hello | 12:57 |
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| frayz | Sam-I-Am: could you elaborate, briefly? | 13:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | none of those things have IP addresses | 13:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | they're just bridges | 13:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | you could have an IP on br-ex, but for the most part they're assigned by openstack | 13:11 |
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| frayz | what should br-int and br-tun have as a Port? | 13:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | br-tun usually has the tunnel interface as a port | 13:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | but those are completely managed by openstack | 13:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | you should not be messing with them | 13:16 |
| frayz | oh! that helps a lot :) thanks, Sam-I-Am | 13:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 13:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack manages all of the things, really | 13:17 |
| frayz | so on my compute nodes, i shouldn't have to do anything network-wise | 13:17 |
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| jschwarz | Sam-I-Am, http://memegenerator.net/instance/37820201 | 13:17 |
| jschwarz | XD | 13:17 |
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| jschwarz | frayz, nope - neutron is smart enough to fix up most things | 13:18 |
| jschwarz | frayz, one thing I did have to do on setup was connect br-ex to my physical interface so that the VMs have internet access | 13:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | jschwarz: yes | 13:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | speaking of all the things, i need coffee | 13:19 |
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| frayz | i think i've done that - i set the TYPE=ovs, etc.. in ifcfg=eth0 and created an ifcfg-br-ex | 13:20 |
| frayz | (just on the network and mgmt node) | 13:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | this sounds like devstack | 13:20 |
| jschwarz | surely there are more ways than one | 13:20 |
| jschwarz | I do it manually - attach eth0 to the br-ex bridge, change the IP from eth0 to br-ex, add default route | 13:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you need an IP on br-ex? | 13:21 |
| jschwarz | one of the ways to fix it :) | 13:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | if not then it doesnt go into the interfaces config | 13:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | since ovs manages it | 13:21 |
| frayz | i moved the IP from eth0 to br-ex | 13:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | so this is a one-nic box? | 13:22 |
| jschwarz | br-ex needs to have the external IP IMO, otherwise the machine wouldn't know that the packet is intended to br-int | 13:22 |
| jschwarz | (and br-int to the relevant instance/agent) | 13:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | jschwarz: its just a port on a bridge. | 13:23 |
| frayz | it has 3 NICs. i've got br-ex set to eth0. not sure what needs to be done with the other 2 | 13:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | it doesnt need an ip because other things on the bridge have IPs | 13:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | frayz: are you following any sort of install guide? | 13:24 |
| frayz | i initially installed with packstack, but like in my trial run the networking didn't work "out of the box". I am really unclear as to network post-install setup | 13:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | is this one box? | 13:25 |
| frayz | i've set up all services on one box but there are 6 other compute nodes | 13:25 |
| frayz | my trial was on one box, however | 13:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | so your neutron l3 and dhcp agents are on the controller node? | 13:25 |
| frayz | yes | 13:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you deploy this with packstack? | 13:27 |
| frayz | yes | 13:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | tunnel-type tenant networks? | 13:28 |
| frayz | yes, GRE | 13:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | mmkay. on the controller node, run 'neutron agent-list' | 13:28 |
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| frayz | sure, one sec | 13:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | you should see one OVS for each compute node and the controller, one l3 agent, one dhcp agent, and maybe a metadata agent. | 13:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | and they should all be working | 13:29 |
| frayz | i can paste the output somewhere if you like | 13:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | pastebin | 13:31 |
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| frayz | pastebin.com/wREMZPnJ | 13:31 |
| frayz | ah, i forgot i had stopped a couple of services on the compute nodes while debugging, so the state will look bad | 13:32 |
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| frayz | services started, output appears the same actually | 13:34 |
| frayz | ok, so all compute nodes do have a running Open vSwitch agent | 13:35 |
| frayz | (the controller node also has compute enabled) | 13:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, the other stuff is a mess | 13:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | first deployments using automated systems and lots of nodes is difficult to fix | 13:37 |
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| frayz | i thought disabling the compute nodes and leaving the controller+compute might make it easier to debug | 13:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah it might be | 13:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | running compute on the controller is dangerous though | 13:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | since a cpu happy vm can restrict controller operations | 13:38 |
| frayz | ok. i will consider disabling compute on the controller later | 13:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | the real problem is this - trying to use a deployment automation system when you dont really know how openstack should be configured. | 13:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so my tip would be configure a controller node and compute node by hand, get it to work, then add some compute nodes by hand | 13:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | then go try to make packstack work | 13:40 |
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| frayz | not what i'd like to hear, but fair enough | 13:43 |
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| frayz | thanks for your help and advice | 13:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its just going to make it easier | 13:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | either the deployment tool isnt configured right and therefore doesnt configure openstack right, or eventually openstack will break in ways packstack cant fix | 13:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | so its a good idea to learn the openstack stuff | 13:47 |
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| frayz | i've also come into this project knowing only networking basics so it's been a big learning curve, but great stuff to learn | 13:51 |
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| _Joshua_ | Sam-I-Am: creating the nodes manually...hmmm...i think i will give that a try myself. Great way to learn. | 13:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 13:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | use the install guide on docs.openstack.org | 13:57 |
| _Joshua_ | will do. thanks for the advice | 13:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mmmm, coffee | 14:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | finally | 14:05 |
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| smoo | Today's fun with OpenStack. Whenever I fire up my network node, my home network is flooded with broadcasts | 14:49 |
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| smoo | 280971061.127461000Vmware_b9:33:c0BroadcastARP60Who has 10.0.0.11? Tell 10.0.0.21 | 14:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | is that the management network? | 14:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | also, did you get any sleep? | 14:53 |
| smoo | Yup | 14:53 |
| smoo | Heh. | 14:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so... i remember you added an interface to one of the boxes to be on your home network | 14:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what did you do for the others? | 14:55 |
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| ooms | The joy of disco. | 14:56 |
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| ooms | Had to button my ESX box. Couldnt even get to the network node to shut down Neutron | 14:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what? | 14:57 |
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| ooms | The network node is running as a VM. When neutron autostarted with the VM, it spammed my network knocking everything off. Couldnt even ssh to the VM itself to shutdown neutron | 14:58 |
| ooms | Had to power off the ESX host | 14:59 |
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| ooms | Wiresharked it while it was happening. Thousands and thousands of broadcasts | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm | 15:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | broadcast storm? | 15:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | multiple vmnets connected to one physical network? | 15:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | with your limited network capabilities, i'd probably have two networks. combine management and the external network together and present them to your home network. assign the tunnel network to the compute and network node, but don't let it outside of esx. | 15:03 |
| ooms | At the time, there was one ESX host with one vmnet on the network with the OS nodes hanging off the same vswitch | 15:03 |
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| ooms | Looking at the wireshark output, its the MAC address of the external nic thats hammering the network. I bridged to another additional NIC so I'll go back and fix that, see if that helps | 15:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd try the combined mgmt/ext networks bridged to your home network and completely internal tunnel network. | 15:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | your other option is using the network node as a 'jump box' to the other two nodes with an internal mgmt network | 15:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | sounds like vmware had some sort of switching loop though | 15:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | like... two bridges somehow connected together | 15:08 |
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| ooms | Will have to have a think about that | 15:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | did the previous parts of the installation seem to work? | 15:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | like keystone and glance | 15:10 |
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| ooms | Yup. All ok up to that point. | 15:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | woohoo | 15:12 |
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| kr4m3r | hello all, i have a all-in-one deploy Openstack over DevStack scripts. I need test a E1 board using PCI_PASSTHROUG but when i try create instance, i receive this error: nova [-] TypeError: pop() takes at most 1 argument (2 given) openstack. I follow all procedures on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Pci_passthrough and http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/How_to_assign_devices_with_VT-d_in_KVM. I think this is a error that because im runn | 16:29 |
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| adil452100 | hi all ! is there any fast way to install all the componenents of openstack on a single node (fwaas, vpnaas, sahara, trove, ...) | 18:36 |
| adil452100 | i want to test the juno release | 18:36 |
| adil452100 | thx | 18:37 |
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| adil452100 | somthing like rdo but with all the component | 18:37 |
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| adil452100 | ? | 18:49 |
| frayz | devstack? | 18:50 |
| sc` | rdo has an all-in-one installation method using packstack | 18:52 |
| sc` | at least it did when I tried it earlier this year | 18:52 |
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| raph_ael | sc`: packstack works also for debian ? | 19:01 |
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| raph_ael | I only saw for redhat | 19:01 |
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| sc` | no, only redhat-derived flavors | 19:10 |
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| adil452100 | i didn't find a procedure to install juno release with rdo ! | 19:19 |
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| legend | how can I contribute to openstack dashboard codenamed “Horizon”? If they have a specific IRC room please do tell | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | legend https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute is the generic how to contribute doc | 19:49 |
| legend | thanx i will look it up :) | 19:49 |
| clarkb | and #openstack-horizon is their channel | 19:49 |
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| d_w | anybody installing juno on redhat? | 20:01 |
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