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| brewtany | hii | 02:21 |
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| brewtany | openstack , openshift… I’m confused | 02:21 |
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| larsks | openstack is infrastructure as a service (networking, storage, compute resources, etc). opensfhit is platform as a service (deploy and run your application code). | 02:26 |
| larsks | Does that help? | 02:26 |
| larsks | TO use openstack you still need to worry about system administration. Something like openshift largely hides all those details. | 02:27 |
| larsks | You can run something like openshift *on top* of something like openstack. | 02:27 |
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| brewtany | openshift and openstack are both based on docker. how can openshift *on top* of openstack? | 02:28 |
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| Joe_knock | aah brewtany you've come to trouble them here too. Same questions... | 02:33 |
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| brewtany | Joe_knock: :) | 02:34 |
| brewtany | Joe_knock: so confused…:) | 02:34 |
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| Joe_knock | I hope you're not trolling brewt | 02:40 |
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| brewtany | back | 03:02 |
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| anish | anyone know what services would be enabled where on a multi-host devstack setup when I have a separate controller, compute & cinder node ? | 03:58 |
| anish | tried various combinations so far with varying degrees of success | 03:58 |
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| ev0ldave1 | anyone able to lend a heat noob a hand? | 04:37 |
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| Donny2Brave | hi i have a question for installing openstack | 05:34 |
| Donny2Brave | is it already bundled with ubuntu 14.04 on a 32-bit version? | 05:34 |
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| anish | Donny2Brave: http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/apt/content/ | 05:38 |
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| tapesh | hello everyone!! i am a newbie... i want to contribute to the source code..can you please guide me..:) | 07:48 |
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| drmagoo | Hi, which logs or debugging steps can I take to figure out problems with openvswitch in Openstack Havanna? The issue is that "neutron agent-list" says that openvswitch is down, but service is running. Restarting the service doesnt help and I dont really know what to look for. | 08:26 |
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| erkules | ahoi a non technical question. Anyone knows If I can get my ticket fully refunded? | 09:53 |
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| snowgust | Hi! I'm having an issue with nova deleting backing files for instances that are still in use in other hypervisors (I have multiple hypervisors running on shared storage). Does anyone know what could be causing that? In the meantime I had to set image_cache_manager_interval=-1 to avoid having disks disappearing | 11:39 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: http://docs.openstack.org/juno/config-reference/content/list-of-compute-config-options.html | 13:26 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: look for remove_unused_base_images = True | 13:27 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: well, that would help as well... but shouldn't nova know that the base files are being used somewhere else? I feel I'm left with two options: either end up wasting space with (really) unused base files or losing instance disks | 13:30 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: the cleaning process looks at the instances running on a compute host and compares that with the backing files | 13:31 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust:you'll have to write a separate script to delete real unused cached images | 13:31 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: if you use filesystem based shared storage then probably don't have hundreds of running instances, correct? | 13:33 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: actually I do. I'm using multiple nfs servers (each serving about 25 hypervisors) that run on top of shared gfs disks | 13:34 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: interesting, so you have clusters of hypervisors, how is performance? and what is gfs? | 13:36 |
| snowgust | georgem2: so manually keeping track of which backing files are being used is going to become a nightmare | 13:36 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: the devs actually recommended disabling the remove_unused_base_images when using shared storage | 13:37 |
| snowgust | georgem2: we get decent enough performance so far. We actually have racks set up with 25 hypervisors and 2 nfs servers. The 2 servers are active/passive between themselves to provide HA for the rack. GFS is a filesystem that allows all servers on all racks to do simultaneous I/O to the shared disks (which are presented by a storage) | 13:38 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: since the NFS servers are on the same physical switches as the hypervisors (and using gigabit ethernet + bonding) we avoid overloading the network with traffic between hypervisors and nfs servers on a different physical location | 13:39 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: this is a nice setup | 13:40 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: thanks :) | 13:42 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: I would just run a crontab script listing the base images available on a compute node and then compare them with the output of "nova list --fields image" ran as admin | 13:44 |
| snowgust | georgem2: I guess I'll just turn off base image checking and ignore the base files until I figure a better way to clean them up. | 13:44 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: I think I'll try to get data from the DB. It'll probably be faster than getting it from the API | 13:45 |
| georgem2 | snowgust: if the image is not used by any running instances then it's a candidate for manual deletion by admin | 13:45 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: Thanks for the tip :) | 13:46 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: welcome, and thanks for describing your setup | 13:47 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: btw, do you have any references as to where the devs recommend turning off base file removal off? I must've missed it when I read the docs =/ | 13:48 |
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| georgem2 | snowgust: I read about it a email thread and it looks like nova should be able to detect a shared filesystem now http://openstack.markmail.org/search/?q=remove_unused_base_images#query:remove_unused_base_images%20from%3A%22Michael%20Still%22+page:1+mid:xqsuvb2tsl5uhk6y+state:results | 14:00 |
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| snowgust | georgem2: yeah, I found a bug on LP that says it should've been fixed... however for some reason it isn't detecting it | 14:09 |
| snowgust | georgem2: I suppose I'll file a new bug on that | 14:10 |
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| ntt | Hi. I need some documentation on cinder. Not a "how to configure", but how it works, what are backup and snapshot, cli guide ecc.... | 14:23 |
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| ntt | someone can help me? | 14:23 |
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| annegentle | ntt: wow, good point. I'm the docs PTL and I can't readily find what you're asking for as a user | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | ntt: there's this: http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/ch_cli.html | 14:27 |
| annegentle | ntt: and this: http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/content/cinderclient_commands.html | 14:27 |
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| annegentle | ntt: and this http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-blockstorage-v2.html#snapshots-v2 | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | ntt: and this http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-blockstorage-v2.html#ext-backups | 14:28 |
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| annegentle | ntt: that should mostly answer, though I know I logged a doc bug just yesterday about snapshots, whether they are the underlying volume or the incremental snapshot | 14:30 |
| mpaolino | hello! I'm trying to create a new glace image from command line and I get a strange HTTP error | 14:30 |
| mpaolino | http://paste.openstack.org/show/122699/ | 14:30 |
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| mpaolino | do you have any idea about what's wrong? | 14:30 |
| mpaolino | the environment is a devstack one | 14:30 |
| mpaolino | everything running inside a VM | 14:31 |
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| MilesDenver | mpaolino: "Access was denied to this resource." That says to me keystone did not like the action. | 14:32 |
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| mpaolino | MilesDenver, thanks, I will try to see how to handle this thing with keystone | 14:33 |
| MilesDenver | mpaolino: can the demo user do other things? Like glance image-list? | 14:33 |
| ntt | annegentle: wow! thank you! cinder and swift are very difficult to understand because docs is hard to find. I have the same problem for swift. However, when an user choose to deploy an openstack service (eg: cinder) in production it has to know every aspect of the software, not just how to configure in a simple development environment. | 14:33 |
| mpaolino | but why did I get an HTTP error? | 14:33 |
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| mpaolino | yes | 14:33 |
| MilesDenver | mpaolino: Maybe if you put keystone in verbose debug it will tell you the answer. | 14:33 |
| koolhead17 | ntt: you should poke amandap for swift :) | 14:33 |
| mpaolino | with the same command, demo can see the list of images | 14:33 |
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| ntt | Backup are full copy of a volume and we need to detach before the volume. So if i do a backup of a 1G volume, the size of the backup will be 1G. Is this right? | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | ntt: that's at the heart of my question in the doc bug as well. | 14:50 |
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| annegentle | thingee: or jgriffith: do you know if 1G is required for a backup of a 1G volume? | 14:51 |
| ntt | annegentle: i'm trying to understand differences between backup and snapshot.... | 14:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought cinder-backup used swift | 14:51 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: looks like it could http://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/api/cinder.backup.manager.html | 14:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | according to the config ref, thats all it uses | 14:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is why we dont configure it in the install guide, because it also needs swift | 14:54 |
| thingee | annegentle: no, the backup will just be the actual data on the 1G volume. | 14:54 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: ah ok | 14:55 |
| ntt | thingee: so, snapshot if a complete copy? | 14:55 |
| annegentle | thingee: ok thanks! And then the snapshot is just an entry in the cinder database? | 14:55 |
| ntt | is* | 14:55 |
| thingee | ntt: yes | 14:55 |
| thingee | annegentle: and yes :) | 14:55 |
| annegentle | er I can't type this morning :) | 14:55 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: there are three backup drivers in http://docs.openstack.org/juno/config-reference/content/section_backup-drivers.html | 14:56 |
| ntt | thingee: ok. In fact i'm reading that i can create a volume from a snapshot | 14:56 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: but we wouldn't expect our audience for the install guides to have any of those necessarily | 14:57 |
| thingee | ntt: yes | 14:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: yes | 14:57 |
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| annegentle | where should this snapshot/backup conceptual info go? End User Guide Sam-I-Am? | 14:58 |
| ntt | thingee: so the definition of snapshot in cinder is similar to snapshot in glance - nova. From a snapshot i can start a vm, so a snapshot is an image (glance) | 14:58 |
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| thingee | sort of. We have a separate action for copying a volume to an image. | 15:00 |
| thingee | ntt: ^ | 15:00 |
| ntt | yes | 15:01 |
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| ntt | thingee: really thanks! | 15:01 |
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| thingee | the difference is where it's being stored. copying a volume to an image is going to use the backstore setup with glance. creating a snapshot is going to use the storage backend that the volume is on and store the snapshot there. | 15:01 |
| thingee | ntt: np | 15:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: yeah, user guide. | 15:03 |
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| ntt | thingee: i think a good practice is to use swift as backend for backup, no idea for snapshot backend | 15:03 |
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| ntt | i'm wrong? | 15:04 |
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| thingee | ntt: yea swift will be the easiest. if you're using the default driver for cinder, lvm, you can do snapshots. | 15:10 |
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| ntt | thingee: this is another important concept! the default driver in cinder use lvm ! | 15:22 |
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| telemonster | importing vmdk as a volume, then using a volume to boot from in OpenStack. Is that a thing? | 15:45 |
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| telemonster | I've imported one as an image but this is really large and I only need it for 1 instance | 15:45 |
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| patcable | is there some sort of GRE tunnel timeout if say a compute node has only one VM on it? | 17:20 |
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| patcable | i've traced my arp issue to the neutron host trying to do an arp for the VM and not getting a response | 17:20 |
| patcable | but as soon as i have the VM ping the router, all is well again | 17:21 |
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| skyler_ | I have an openstack deployment that I am thinking about extending. Is it likely to cause major problems if I start adding or switching out components with the Juno versions while operating with some icehouse components? | 17:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | skyler_: yes | 17:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | dont mix major releases | 17:50 |
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| skyler_ | Sam-I-Am: What is the preferred way to upgrade from one release to another with running infrastructure? | 18:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | skyler_: back things up and just upgrade | 18:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | your VMs wont stop running | 18:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | or shouldnt | 18:19 |
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| skyler_ | Sam-I-Am: Okay, thanks. | 18:21 |
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| whitebyte | In which openstack project should I contribute, I'm good with python and java | 18:56 |
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| Sabrii | I'm trying to create a network without a subnet (i.e. l2 bridging only). However, neutron doesn't like it. How can I tell neutron that it's just fine? | 19:42 |
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| smoo | Hi. Could someone help with a dnsmasq question plz? Been given some troubleshooting tips but not sure how to implement. https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/51496/no-dhcp-for-instance-everything-else-ok/ | 19:57 |
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| zenpac | Will Neutron/ML2 be able to accurately report mechanism drivers for Arista, Brocade, and Cisco? Or at least is that the goal? | 20:26 |
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| zenpac | We're trying to build a modeler that accurately reflects all the Neutron goodness without having to deal with those pesky drivers. | 20:27 |
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| synapseguru | Hello. I'm wanting to learn how to become a developer and start contributing to openstack. Can someone maybe point me in a good direction to start? | 21:03 |
| skyler_ | Is there a guide for upgrading from icehouse to juno? | 21:04 |
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| skyler_ | synapseguru: Do you know Python? | 21:06 |
| synapseguru | I only know some basic stuff with Python | 21:06 |
| whitebyte | hey.. I am good with python and java.. can anybody tell which project to look at in openstack | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | whitebyte: synapseguru: it depends a lot on what you're interested in | 21:12 |
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| skyler_ | I am trying to upgrade from icehouse to juno and I am running on Ubuntu 12.04. It looks like juno's install guide is only for 14.04. Am I screwed? | 21:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | skyler_: you wouldnt follow the install guide to do an upgrade | 21:43 |
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| skyler_ | Sam-I-Am: Is there an upgrade guide? I was looking at the install guide to find out how to add the juno repos, but the instructions seem specific to 14.04 (I could be wrong). Anyway, add-apt-repository cloud-archive:juno is not there. | 21:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for some reason ubuntu hasnt published the cloud-archive:juno thing | 21:48 |
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| skyler_ | Sam-I-Am: Thanks for the info. I guess I could try to install from source. | 21:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | skyler_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive | 21:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | looks like there is no support for juno on 12.04 | 21:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least with packages | 21:52 |
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| skyler_ | Sam-I-Am: That is too bad... | 21:54 |
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| mutex | does neutron support running PXE boot parameters for it's DHCP server ? What aobut TFTP server for bulitin TFTP in DNSMASQ ? | 22:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mutex: why would you do that? | 22:32 |
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| kober | Hey, with pbr how do I make a stable release of a project | 22:43 |
| kober | When I make releases right now it uses my git hash but pip considers that pre-release | 22:43 |
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| clarkb | kober: you can either checkout the stable tag | 22:47 |
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| clarkb | kober: or override the version. I will get docs for overriding in just a sec | 22:47 |
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| clarkb | kober: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/pbr/tree/doc/source/packagers.rst you can use PBR_VERSION to override the value if you have local patches atop the stable tag | 22:49 |
| kober | clarkb: Thanks | 22:49 |
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| skyler_ | I am trying to upgrade to juno from icehouse. I have an empty database for keystone with the proper grants. When I try to sync the database, I get this: http://paste.openstack.org/show/122875/ | 22:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | skyler_: its saying the db really isnt empty? | 22:53 |
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| skyler | Sam-I-Am: Sorry for taking so long to reply. My computer crashed after I read your comment (I don't know if anyone else commented). | 23:15 |
| skyler | So yeah, it looks like it is complaining about the database having tables when it doesn't. | 23:15 |
| skyler | su -s /bin/sh -c "keystone-manage db_version" keystone | 23:16 |
| skyler | Also threw the same error though | 23:16 |
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| skyler | Different stack trace, but same error in the end. | 23:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's really nothing in there? | 23:18 |
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| skyler | Sam-I-Am: That is correct. 'show tables;' returns the empty set. | 23:20 |
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| skyler | Could it be a problem in the information_schema database? | 23:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | theres an information_schema database? | 23:28 |
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| skyler | Sam-I-Am: Nevermind, I think that is not something OpenStack related. | 23:29 |
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